THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 80 — Karmelo Anthony "Race War?" AI Action Figures? Charlie Gets High?

Hey everybody, it's Thought Crime Saturday. What is the latest with the Carmelo Anthony saga? We go through all the details of this terrible situation of Carmelo Anthony who stabbed Austin Metcalf to death. We also go through a little bit of my appearance on Bill Maher. I might have second-hand smoked marijuana and I'm not happy about it. And we talk about it.

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We are live from an undisclosed location in Pullman, Washington. Not every day do you host Thought Crime in Pullman, Washington. Are you sure, Charlie? You look like you might be trapped in like a... Did you get shipped to El Salvador? Is this a hostage video? Yeah, does this look like a hostage video? I blame Brian completely.

We could have had the Palouse as the background, but instead we decided to have some sort of bunker. Welcome to Thought Crime, everybody. The topics today are going to be fun and exciting. I think our first one is ADHD, if I'm not mistaken, which honestly, we need Jack for an ADHD segment.

How could we possibly do ADHD without Jack? Let's do Carmelo Anthony because you weren't here last week for that. Right. So, Carmelo Anthony, not to be confused with the other Carmelo Anthony, this is the Carmelo with a K, not Carmelo with a C. Carmelo Anthony, of course, played for the Denver Nuggets, right? He was a Syracuse guy, right, Brian? And the Knicks. Yeah, Syracuse.

I think he won a national title for Syracuse with Jim Boeheim back in like 01, 02, 03. So, this young man was named after Carmelo Anthony, Carmelo with a K, and it's very obvious what happened in this situation. I actually don't even want to speak out of turn here. Blake, I want you to give me the most pro-Carmelo argument, like strong man the Carmelo case. Because the audience has to understand that there is a widespread movement now amongst the black community and the left to support Carmelo, from GoFundMes to selling T-shirts. It's growing.

It's not a majority of the country, but it's a disturbing minority. I want to know, am I missing something? I keep asking that. Blake and I have been traveling together the last week. I'm like, Blake, what am I missing here? What am I missing here? What am I missing here? So, Blake, go through the facts that we know about Austin Metcalf and Carmelo Anthony and then all the recent developments today. Am I missing something? Because this certainly seems like murder.

Yeah, sure thing, Charlie. So, first of all, this all happened, I think it started about two weeks ago, and there was a tragic murder that took place in Texas and in Dallas. And the situation was, initially it was young man Austin Metcalf stabbed to death, stabbed in the heart in an altercation with Carmelo Anthony. And the original report was that it was over, like, a seating dispute. What came out once we got the police report and so on was that it sounds like there was a track meet. And Carmelo was, the description was that he was under the other team's tent, so they have, you know, these different tents, different booth areas for different competing teams, and he was under the one for another team. We still don't really know why, I haven't seen that reported out in detail so far, why he was maybe there, because it could have been he was hanging out with someone, it could have been he was causing trouble in some other way.

We don't know the details there yet. And then the report in the police report is that Austin Metcalf approached and said that Carmelo had to leave, he had to get out of there, and that he may have touched him in some capacity to say, hey, get out. And Carmelo said something to the extent of, if you touch me again, you'll regret it. And then according to the report, it's that Austin grabbed him. It doesn't say he, like, tackled him or punched him, it says he grabbed him. So that's believable, like, if he was trying to say get out, like, grab him, try to hoist him away. And then what the account says is that Carmelo pulled out a knife and stabbed him right in the heart and he basically died on the spot.

He had his twin brother, he died in his twin brother's arms. And so this has become a, it sounds like it should just be a tragic teenage murder to me, but it has become a big cause celeb that Carmelo, his family, put up a GoFundMe for his legal expenses, which I think we all agreed last week, and I think you'd agree, Charlie, like, he has the right to a legal defense, he has the right to fundraise for it. We've seen that be an issue in the past, but it raised many hundreds of thousands of dollars. And I think what really caught people's attention was the lines that were being used on that GoFundMe and on Twitter, where it's like variations of that Carmelo was engaged in self-defense, basically because he was, he was grabbed.

And, but also these takes where it's almost like, like Austin was disrespecting him, like he, he was standing his ground because it wasn't right that anyone should tell him to go somewhere else or, you know, that if he shoved him, that was somehow justifying a lethal response. This has continued to gain steam because in the past week, a judge drastically lowered the bail requirement for Carmelo to get out of jail, it was a million dollars, and it was lowered to I believe $250,000, making it a lot easier to meet, and then they made a big spectacle that he came home and they were tweeting and stuff, you know, Carmelo is home now. And then that leads up to today where this is why we have a good reason to continue talking about it. The family held a press conference. Now, two things happened at that. First, Austin Metcalf's father was at this press conference. We don't really know why yet.

We're seeing B-roll on screen right now. He showed up and the family was not, the family of Carmelo Anthony was not happy about this. And it seems that police or security spoke to him and basically said, please leave.

And he, so he did leave. There was not a fight or anything. And then the family- Wait, like, like nobody got stabbed? Nobody got stabbed. Nobody there, he did not pull out a knife and use it on any of the officers. I think that would have been frowned upon. Nobody tried to stab Jeff Metcalf?

No, nobody tried to stab him. And then, this is really wild, the family and their supporters, their attorney, or not an attorney, there was like an activist leader who was with them. Dominique Alexander, right?

Yeah, Dominique Alexander. They gave this address where they basically said it was highly disrespectful of Jeff Metcalf to be present at this press conference. I mean, it was probably maybe inflammatory. I don't know if disrespectful is the term I would use. And then, but this is where you wanted a defense of the best steel man defense of the family. The mother of Carmelo Anthony gave a statement and I think maybe we have, do we have selections from that video?

What would the number of it be? We've got, yeah, Dominique Alexander saying that Jeff Metcalf was being disrespectful. Not that one. Do we have of the mother kind of relaying her experience?

Because what she said was, she did say regardless of what you feel about, yeah, so let's play this, let's play clip 326. This is from the mother. The lies and false accusations that have been said about us, especially over the past week, has been overwhelming. The lies and their amplification put my family in danger, as well as everyone in our community, everyone involved in the investigation from the police, the attorneys, and the court staff. Our son deserves the same rights under the law that everyone is afforded to.

He's been raised in a two parent home with structure, stability, love, and we put God first in everything that we do. We believe in the Constitution. We believe in the laws of this state.

But those laws must apply to all of us, not just some of us. And another thing that wasn't in that clip, but she says, she said, you know, regardless of how you feel about what happened, about what happened with our son, she says, you know, his parents and his siblings are not responsible for that. She said that they have a daughter who's a teenager who has been afraid to sleep.

I believe it was afraid to sleep in their own home because of that. And that's why it came, it's been discussed that they were finding new housing arrangements. And that's where she says, she complained in there about the lies. There have been these claims on X and elsewhere that the family immediately used the GoFundMe to buy a mansion or to, I think, buy a Cadillac Escalade and various things like that. And they said, those are lies. And as far as I know from what I've looked in, those are not true. They may be renting a new place, but that is what they've said they're going to do. And there's no evidence that they, you know, bought a brand new car with money or anything.

But that has been the latest development. But you still see these very disturbing comments on the GoFundMe or on the Gibson Go, whichever they use, where they're saying, like, throw up $339. Yeah, exactly.

So we have one, nobody knows what happened under that tent, but the individuals involved. And this is Will P. He says, since they will support theirs, no matter what, I'm standing with my black brother. And then he has that Black Lives Matter fist there.

And there's 44 hearts on that remark. So several dozen people strongly agree with that. And there have been others to that effect over the past several weeks. So this is very clearly becoming a racialized situation, Charlie. And I know people want to hear what your take on it is. Well, I think it's obviously been racialized since the beginning in the sense where you have a black perpetrator and a white victim. We don't know if race played into it. But you have to ask the question, like the media coverage of this and the kid gloves and the sympathetic. Of course, there's a racial component to this. And it's a white kid that was murdered by a black kid for no good reason because he touched him because he touched him.

And I just want to just say this to our side. Let's not take the bait at some of the worst actors that would love to try to start a race conflict war while Donald Trump is president. While it's very obvious that Carmelo Anthony here committed murder, Carmelo Anthony probably won't end up spending much time in prison, maybe 10 to 15 years. But I think it's very, very important that we just try to slow this down and allow the justice system to do its thing. Carmelo Anthony deserves due process, the presumption of innocence. I'd love to hear all of what his attorneys have to say. They got lots of legal defense money there.

And the elements involved here is so concerning because he touched him and he just takes out a knife and he starts stabbing him. Private student loan debt is something I hear a lot about from our students. In fact, there was a student at Washington State said, Charlie, I went to a private school. I got some private student loans.

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Play cut 336. It's what we live as a reality every day. It's what we have to teach our children. We don't want to, but we have to.

We don't like to, but if we want to sleep at night, we got to. I ain't pulling no race card. I live it.

I'm reminded all the time that I'm a black man in America. Okay, so he's now invoking Trump. I've no idea what he just said. I know the words. I heard what he said. I've no idea what that means.

None. I've literally no idea what that means. While the current occupant sits at 1600 Avenue, black people in America don't have to pull the race card. It's what we live as a reality every day. It's what we have to teach our children. We don't want to, but we have to.

We all like to, but if we want to sleep at night, we got to. This is a guy who has watched way too many Martin Luther King Jr. videos and thinks he's like the next civil rights leader. That made absolutely no sense.

No one understands what you're saying. No, you're like black people in America. While the current occupant sits at 1600 Avenue, we don't have to play the race card. I ain't playing no race card.

I live it. I'm reminded all the time. So let me get straight. You're part of the platoon and the team representing the black kid who murdered the white kid, and you're now trying to bring race into this and also try to bring in Donald Trump. And this is where the Al Sharpton is the world and all these people. Al Sharpton hasn't pounced on this yet, but they are licking their chops. They're foaming at the mouth because they want to try to turn this into a big Donald Trump thing to try to make this a race war. And let's not fall for that at all.

Let's slow down. Let's internalize really what's happened here. And yeah, I mean, my thoughts are this is a tragedy. I keep on saying over and over again, am I missing anything? Am I missing anything? This is a very open and shut, clean cut case of a black kid who had a knife when he shouldn't have because somebody touched him and he murders him in cold blood. And then he dies in his twins arms.

That's that's sick and disturbing stuff. Is Jack with us? Are we still working on the tech here?

Right here? Jack, what are your thoughts? Yeah, Charlie. I mean, this is a situation where I mean, it it started out as a tragedy, but it's now been turned into a circus really by the conduct of this individual who look, you know, I'm always one of these guys who says, you know, don't make it about the family. You know, let's let's leave the families out of it. Let's just talk about the individuals who were, you know, involved in the case. But this family advocate that, you know, whatever people want to call this guy or whatever he calls himself was hired by the family. So this was who they chose after receiving all this money from the give send go.

That's, you know, going into the account there. Huge, huge outpouring and suddenly it's turned into a circus. And they say don't make this about race. Don't make this about race.

When he himself is the one making the entire thing about race. It's it's classic cry bully ism where don't do this. Don't do this.

Don't do this. You see, this is all about race. You guys are making it all about race. So he's attacking you while doing the exact same thing he's accusing you of doing. And I just, you know, he attacks Trump, he attacks all, you know, the all of society, you know, says, you know, basically makes allusions to systemic racism. No filming these videos as if it's some kind of documentary and what what he's really doing with the press conference today and it's just my draw hit the floor when I saw that they were doing this. And it's a classic example of Darvo and Darvo and I had a tweet out on this earlier today.

It's called da RV. Oh, and it's a narcissistic tactic but you see it happen a lot with certain types of politics typically found on the far left or in grievance politics, it goes through deny attack, and then reverse victim and offender. This is also by the way that they threw the father of Austin Metcalf out of the room, because, of course, you cannot play the victim card when an actual victim is present. So not only did they, you know, kind of ironically, demand that the father of Austin Metcalf move from his seat, but when he refused to move from his seat. Well, they called the police on the father of the boy who was stabbed to death and bled out in his twin brother's the track meet. Yeah, I, you raised the crux of the point here.

Oh, and those clips were just deleted from my chat. The point is here. This family member this mom actually seemed earnest in her remarks. It felt sincere to me like maybe she is a good Christian woman and listen great parents can sometimes have wayward kids. Okay, that happens. It's not always the parents fault.

It isn't. I believe that they may not be guilty of anything here. What I will tell you they are guilty of is hiring this clown named Dominique Alexander, an absolute clown show.

And his this clip jack third that's 317 you guys get it ready of him. Basically castigating the father for showing up at this press conference is something that made my jaw absolutely dropped to the floor. I couldn't believe it when I saw it.

I think it shook the internet. This guy is a clown. He's an imposter. He's a fraud. He's a con man, this, this family is guilty so far of one thing, and that is hiring this man. And, and I absolutely judge them for hiring this man now I get it they're disoriented nobody knows what to do in a situation like this. I can tell you one thing you don't do hire this man.

You should play at 317, and all I'm going to say, so it don't be as late as that was disrespectful in just shows you all the character was not invited. He knows that is inappropriate to be near this family, but he did it. So I say to people actions speak louder than words. Okay.

What he has failed into is the political operatives that want to make this thing, a political thing of hate, get bigotry, and get racism. We have conservative operatives that have been posting non stop about this case. Okay, Charlie. I really don't, I really don't like this person.

I mean, I don't know really what to say that I can say, but I'll just say that this is the worst. There's like an entire industry of people like this Benjamin Crump is like this where they are just, they're not just ambulance they're not ambulance chasers they are, they are crisis chasers and they get in front of the cameras. And the fact the media is giving this any sort of hearing the Dallas morning news family of Frisco stabbing suspect under attack with harassment threats mothers say, Oh, really, your son murdered somebody. Oh, really.

And now you hire this clown to go on and on about this is racism this is racism. Honestly, why don't you raise a kid that knows not to have a a knife on him at a track meet be not to go use that knife. And by the way, just so we're clear, there is image after image of K Marlo Anthony Carmelo Anthony now the sea, not exactly living a Boy Scout life.

Lots of images of him kind of playing into all this and so while there might have been a two parent home raising Carmela Anthony I don't know what his parents were doing all day long. These parents should have a little bit of contrition. These parents should have a little bit of shame like, where's the shame in these parents look at these images on screen.

This is like an AK 47 with a gang sign. This isn't a nice area in Frisco, Texas, and the lack of any self awareness for these parents to think yeah we raised a murderer. Oh, I know what we're gonna do we're gonna now go play the victim because people said mean stuff to us.

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I don't know where I am right now. Yeah, exactly. Watch out Charlie, but because you know the real killer, but, but I remember the family issued a statement that basically said like this is horrifying but like he is our son and we are going to Brian Koberger Yeah, like we are going to do what we can. It was like a pretty anodyne statement overall but they were saying like, he is our son and we will try to support him. And I remember, like, one of his sisters got fired from her job as a result of this because they were just related to this bad guy. And I think most people responded with wait that that's a gross thing to do you should not punish a collective group of people for what one person did, even if it is possible like maybe there was inept parenting in there or there was negligence in there. That's very possible and I remember we were also, you know, we had the discussion here when they, when they prosecuted the parents, because that son, like got a gun and then committed a shooting with it. In that case, it was definitely inept, grossly negligent parenting by the parents involved that they had a son who there were clear red flags that he was dangerous and yet they allowed him to obtain a weapon and I think we all basically agreed. It's still not good to normalize like prosecuting parents for what their kids do.

Or at least we said if they were going to do it should be done equally but it was there was also a racial angle to that one too I think we thought. So my, my general disposition, this will get me called, you know, probably a cuck by the comments or something but I'm not going to get really angry at the family other than yeah, they hired this like local activist parasite who you Google his name and you get the 2016 article where he goes to jail for breaking probation and it's his like eighth time in jail because he previously beat a child and done all this bad stuff. I suspect they don't know about all of that. They probably but like you should these people use their disgusting individuals they very obviously are so I wish they hadn't done that but I will not get as angry as a lot of people do that. They support their son.

People support their kids. That is how the world is. Well, Blake. I mean, we need to there was a graphic that just came up there. These are all of Dominique Alexander the real clown in this whole story. I mean, Carmelo Anthony deserves to be, you know, criminal number one but criminal number two here one be really is Dominique Alexander. These are all his mugshots go to 329. This is somehow he's, he's also a cross dresser.

So I'm not exactly sure in the tank of that photo. Yeah, so just to give you a smattering of this guy's rap sheet 2009 arrested convicted in 2011 charged with causing serious bodily injury to a child, a two year old first degree felony. He pleaded guilty in 2011 received 10 years of deferred adjudication probation 2011 2013 propate probation violations violated probation terms from the 2011 child injury case multiple times, including stealing a car check forgery and involvement in a domestic disturbance leading to a police chase in Carrollton 2015 cited by Arlington police for offensive physical contact against a family member 2016 sentenced to two years in prison in August 2016 for multiple probation violations and the 2011 child injury case 2017 arrested in Denton County, and on and on and on. So this guy is a real swindler, a real con artist, and somehow he's locked arms with this with this family.

And, and so like while I'm tempted to be sympathetic to this mom, who said they put God first okay you're speaking my love language lady I get it like I want to have sympathy for you. What on earth are you doing with this guy. Who, how did he show up, where did he come from, is there like a Ben Crump backup like call center somewhere where these guys like I'll bend to not available. So this guy just slides right in. Like this is insane to me, and the fact that they are you sitting there, letting him do his thing is insane revolting.

When you order Ben Crump on Timo, you end up with this guy, like the AI slot version of Ben Crump. Yeah. Basically, man, I'm sorry, but it's good to get involved in the family. The family did the family didn't have to choose this guy, they could have picked someone, they clearly want to write she's standing right there throughout all of this she isn't she's she's endorsing everything that he's saying she doesn't want to say hey let's not racialize this.

In fact, it was the father of Austin Metcalf, who originally said, let's not racialize this let's just make a day after jack individuals yeah the day after the day, they said I don't want to make this a race thing. And then all of a sudden, it was the family of the perpetrator. You know, I'll say alleged perpetrator, whatever, for legal purposes, but it was not the family of this. That's what I mean like he did admit to it.

So he said it's not alleged I did this. It's, I'm not laughing I shouldn't be laughing but it's, it's just such a joke. It's, it's clown world, this is clown world on steroids. This family has decided to tear apart their entire community by the way, by the way, at one point, I think it's later in the press conference, he even.

starts attacking the school district I think it's the Frisco ISD independent school district, because they're going to be expelling Carmelo is how dare you expel him he's only weeks away from graduation, he stabbed a kid to death to be stabbed a kid to death, right and unarmed teenagers and these people, it's just like you know you cannot there's no reason, it kind of makes you wonder did like Ben Crump even look at this and he's like, Nah, I'm good. Yeah, I will say though, by the way, I've been keeping an eye out for like, so you see how all the high level Democrats and Chris Van Hollen are all in on this gang banger. Yeah, nobody and I've really been looking for this. Nobody has been on this one because they all realize like this ain't the one, you know, this is, this is really not the one to get into. And yeah, there's there's no really high profile individual on the left at all. We'll see, you know, we'll see and I will certainly find it if it does happen by the way, as we're doing this I believe, speaking of the MS 13 guy, I believe he actually just they just released some pictures of him meeting with you know breaking news meeting with Senator Chris Van Hollen so apparently he's not in the death and torture camps but he apparently they went in like got margaritas or something.

Down in El Salvador, which is pretty amazing. So yeah, we've seen them go all in on the gang banger, but no they have not gone in on the child stab her just yet. Now everybody's looking it up. Yeah, he's like I know it's it's it's incredible that guy I guess Bukele let him out. The whole thing's insane. The fact they got this far is actually frustratingly here we'll put the image up. I've got it. Eventually, it's interesting it's just like this is our, this is our country now this is the country we have to live in.

You know, each case that comes up is, you know, we got to litigate each piece of it. Yeah, there we go. There you go. There's a Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and he's a Chiefs fan of course he's a Chiefs fan he lives in freakin Maryland this guy sucks.

Keep them there. Are you kidding me? That's like you are one.

This is he just follows the popular team. No, that's right. This guy, keep him in El Salvador.

Yeah, the only way. Are you kidding me? Look at this Maryland dad. And, and, and look at like the fake sincerity of this senator I'm surprised actually El Salvador even arranged this meeting. I like I'm actually surprised to be perfectly honest. Bukele posted the pictures himself on X I think he actually kind of broke the story.

Just a couple of minutes ago. So he is a citizen of El Salvador I hope everyone understands that he has citizenship in the country of El Salvador. Yeah, that's like it's not a. It's not a foreign prison they keep saying, Oh, they send them to a foreign prison they send them to foreign prison. It's not a foreign prison like for him the easiest way is regular prison because he's from El Salvador, I'll be honest, it's domestic, I'm surprised because the way this is developed because I feel like the simplest way this should resolve itself is like the Supreme Court said, you have to facilitate his return. So what Trump should do is come out and say like, okay, like a publicly Hey El Salvador, are you willing to send this guy to us and Bukele should come out and say no because he's this El Salvador and citizen and we suspect he's a member of a criminal organization that we imprison a number of and no they did that at the White House kind of they kind of did that at the White House when he was sitting there they alluded to it, but like they did not literally do that and I feel like that's kind of what the Supreme Court was asking them to do try to get him back, and they could send they could send the formal request they could have, you know, Marco Rubio secretary like write up a little email and send it to them, and then Bukele can come out and say, no, we don't, you know, El Salvador does not extradite its citizens who we suspect have committed crimes so that they can avoid punishment and then you can say, we'll investigate him for the whole MS 13 thing because there's no reason to believe that.

And then they can go into that and then after then we can go from there, but I think that would probably been the best way to handle it but we'll see what unfolds. But, but this, this is this is great actually from naive Bukele president El Salvador said now that he's been confirmed healthy. He gets the honor of staying in El Salvador's custody.

And so, like, which is great. So, he's basically like, you know, because, and I noticed that Bukele actually retweeted Cernovich, who said there was a pernicious lie going around, and apparently liberals were actually believing it that he was actually dead. So I think naive Bukele is basically being like, okay, proof of life picture, obviously looks healthy and fine now back in back in custody. So I think that's how this is going to play out this is sort of Bukele calling their bluff, that he's been well taken care of and is healthy.

Sipping margaritas. Some people say that this might make him look sympathetic. The Chiefs hat. This guy's got no morals.

He's got no loyalty. This guy just comes into our country, and he thinks he can invade and be part of MS 13, and you live near Baltimore, and you're wearing a Chiefs hat. You got to also a Patriots jersey from 10 years ago, pal. Do you have a Lakers jersey from the early 2000s? And I bet you got a Yankees hat as well. We'll send them via Federal Express to sound Salvador.

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So it was like the it wasn't that he was wearing the Chicago Bulls hat because he was a fan, but that because he was a bull and he had been given this like, you know, this, you know, permission to wear the Bulls hat for some reason, so I don't I don't know if he was wearing it because he was a fan per se. But again, this would this came out with the Attorney General's office put out yesterday that not only was he a member of MS 13 and arrested with other high ranking members of MS 13, but he had a rank in MS 13. He had a gang name in MS 13.

And he was well known to other people in MS 13. So yeah, you've got this situation where, you know, the senator goes down there and he doesn't actually represent this guy. He doesn't at all.

You're not a citizen of the United States, you've never had legal permission to be in this country. You're not a constituent of Chris Van Hollen, but I'm just going to go to show you look, there are the democrats get optics, man, the republicans would never do political theater like this republicans don't, you know, we couldn't even get anyone to go to Fort Knox, when the all that was going on. And where's the gold and people were asking questions about that the democrats understand this, this is going to be a huge propaganda victory for them. They're the story is going to get legs for another week or so.

And they're going to say look at this, you know, this poor guy and he, you know, he certainly looks like a, you know, a Maryland dad in this picture. So right now, I'm going to say this is a W for Democrats. It just is. It just is.

And it's it is an L for Americans. Look at the throw this tweet up that Naib Bukele posted 345. He just retweeted this Michael Cassidy, obviously the Satan Slayer. Jack will remember. He said, imagine if Democrat senators cared about him on stage.

Yeah, foreign gang members who spent a few years in the US and Naib Bukele retweeted that. So I mean, it's clear where where his sympathies lie. But nevertheless, I think you I mean, you could you might be right, Jack. And by the way, I think we've gotten better at political theater, and the optics of it.

But yeah, I mean, let me let me interject. What's so funny is that when I spend time around liberals, they think we're way better at political theater than them. They think we're better at influencing they think we're better at social media. I tend to agree with Jack, I think they are better at this. But I mean, they they actually an Andrew, I think you can reinforce it. They think we are way better than we even think we are at these things. Would you agree with that, Andrew?

Oh, 100%. I have reporters call me all the time, they want to do all these features on Turning Point and Charlie and, and like this movement that we've built and the influence and I they've even I got a call this week, actually, we actually might participate in the story. It's a fun story.

But these, these, you know, people have done studies on political movements, and they're saying that Turning Point is the the the most successful modern example of building a political movement and all this kind of thing. They think we're better at political theater than them. They think we're amazing at it, I will tell you. So for what it's worth. We are good at that.

I just agree with you, Charlie. Yeah. So here's an idea. Here's an idea.

A friend of mine actually just gave this to me. So the president, you have to confirm ambassadors to countries and a lot of other things. But you can have the president send special envoys. Special envoys can be appointed without Senate confirmation. So President Trump, he could appoint anyone as his special envoy to El Salvador for this case and say, you have to go to Bukele and make the case on behalf of the US government for sending him back and you could either you could send, you know, Trump supporter, or you could send you could send a Democrat, you could send anyone send send someone you actively want to humiliate send them to El Salvador and say, say make the case, and they can go and they and they can make the sale.

You put it on, do it in private, put it on live TV, I don't care. But then you can make it clear, you know, we are we are sending someone to to do this. And then you know, Bukele can respond however he wants because he is in fact, a foreign president, he could say, Yeah, I'm not going to extradite a Salvadoran citizen to a country he's not a citizen of, especially when we think he's a gang member, he could say, I think that sending this likely MS 13 member to the US would hurt El Salvador's reputation.

It would intensify the gang connections between here in America that damaged my country so much. He can come up with any, any number of possible things. But that's one idea for how they could resolve this.

I, I think they have a lot of ideas bouncing around right now. Can we get like, can I just do a quick fact check? Let's go to the next.

Let's go to the next topic because I we do have some time. But sorry, Andrew, go ahead. Yeah, well, no, I like it. He's a wife beater is like in his wife's own handwriting. Like, she accuses him of beating her up multiple times, bruising or scratching or blooding her. He was pulled over with eight foreign nationals in the car that all claimed his address. So human trafficking, he said they were going for construction work. Two different courts said he was an MS 13 gang banger. Not exactly an upright citizen. He lied to immigration court to avoid deportation. So it's just it defies all logic. And I thought Patty Morin, Rachel Morin's mom, the angel mom from the the press briefing room at the White House did an amazing job where she just begged the press to tell the truth. Yeah, obviously, Democrats have made some calculation that they think this is the hill to die on that this is the guy to fight for.

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Slop. Blake, walk us through it. All right.

All right. So A.I. apparently A.I. gets about twice as good every 13 months or something now. So it's getting better and better and better.

And you can use it to generate all of this original artwork. We have we have two concepts here that we're going to get. The first thing we have to get to this week's big A.I. meme or gimmick or whatever.

But it's making action figures or like kind of toys of various people. So we, of course, have already had one for Trump. We've had some for Vance. We've had some for all the political figures.

But nothing says it has to be a person in the Trump White House. So let's let's put up three thirty five guys. We've made a Charlie Kirk toy.

The prove me wrong. Charlie took us a few attempts. We had some action figure. Can we zoom in on that? Can we can we like really I like it now that that we know it's only thing it's missing is my lozenges. And my bottle of olive oil. Well, you've got you've got your Starbucks. You've got everywhere. And we've got your hat. That's true.

America first on the shirt. All right. I said they should put vote early on the show. Maybe that would be that would be like the period piece one.

I mean, the real one, of course, could have like five different shirts and you can realistically change them on the little Charlie figure to to make it better. But we didn't stop there. Let's put up three thirty four. We made the post.

So one we had the post. So, Dolly, he kind of looks like he's a little we have his accurate phone. We have that's really accurate.

We have his Creed album there. It's really. Yeah.

On TV, kind of like you look that the suit is pretty. You have short little legs, though. Yeah. It's like he's a little looks a little dwarf guy. Yeah. Why am I so why is it like why is it like don't be like so. Yeah. What's up with that?

We go back. Was Charlie full size? Charlie or is Charlie Stumpy? I don't think Charlie was. Yeah. See, you didn't do it to Charlie.

What's up with that? Charlie, you guys got to get like you need you need a coffee sponsor, man. You can't keep repping Starbucks like that. Oh, I know.

I need to get a real coffee partner. All right. Now, what else do we have? We have we made a Tyler Bowyer one.

Put up the put up the Tyler one. So his is not the action figure part is breaking down a little bit. But we've got his aviator glasses. We have his Phoenix Suns jersey that would not actually fit on that on that figure.

But whatever. And we also have his ASU hat. We're thinking about it now. We should give him that like red cowboy hat thing that we had for the like was it the precinct captain? No, the big the big red cowboy hat one. That was great. I know.

But it was like the MAGA MAGA version of it. Yeah. And then do we have an Andrew one? Did we finish that? All right. We have executive producer Andrew. We've got a Dodger's hat. Is that a is that a Tesla at the bottom?

He's very proud of that Tesla. And then I think that's how I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do it. I can't do it. No.

What? I can't I can't do eating sounds. I can't do it. I can't do it.

Oh, it's a lot. No, I can't do it. Oh, I thought I thought you were having a negative reaction to my action figure.

No, like I literally have. I'll put this aside. So.

So. Hold on. Time out. Wait. Time out.

Jack. I totally got to put that away. I did.

OK. You keep you guys keep talking. You got it. What is that? Is that is that a Guns N' Roses shirt? Oh, you're you're action figure. Oh, dear. I'm not sure. Oh, what's that on the top right? Is that I can't tell. Oh, they're all tiny. Oh, it's oh, it's the attachable beard. Yeah.

You get an attachable or detachable beard on my face to reflect what level of unkemptness I am, which probably gets down to what what phase of the of the election cycle that we're in. Sorry about that. Charlie, what were you about to say?

Let's go into that. No, it's fine. I'm on a super delay. It's all good. No, I was just saying how Jack reacted to this lozenge is how I reacted secondhand smoking marijuana for two hours yesterday with Bill Maher, of which you will see the fruit on Monday. And so the only thing is I was not able to act the way Jack just did.

I had to still do a two hour podcast while secondhand smoking marijuana. So all all respect to you, Jack. I put the lozenge aside and I will finish it once we are done here.

So totally. Charlie's still. Oh, no, no, it's OK. I've got the I actually I've got my IFB like separated. So I don't think I could hear it now.

No, he took it out. But now I have like the greatest. Now I have the greatest answer. If they ask if I ever have smoked marijuana, I'm like, well, kind of. I kind of have.

And I really don't like it. So what does it like? How did it make you feel? I've never I've also never used it.

It's not even spacey, but slow. That's the again. It was not a firsthand thing, but I'm very in touch with how I feel. Andrew will tell you that if I'm feeling off, if I need something, if I'm hydrated, I mean, I know myself very well, which, by the way, is very good advice for everyone listening. Know yourself.

Know when you need sleep, know when you need a nap. I'm very in touch with myself. And I remember, as Bill Maher is on his like seventh thing, cigarette or whatever of weed, I think to myself, I'm I'm not thinking as quickly as I would like. I remember actually like thinking that in my head. I noticed it, too. I was in another room watching it now.

And I was literally being hotboxed with Bill Maher, for the record, hotboxed. OK, Andrew, it was the whole place was baked. OK. And again, I I did fine. It wasn't like a triumph. It wasn't a bad thing. We had a good conversation.

I didn't say anything that I didn't believe. It wasn't like it made me schizophrenic. But I know when I'm like cooking and I know when I'm like in the flow and I am. I mean, I'm so close to Bill Maher that that the federal regulations of airlines would not allow seats to be this close together. OK, like I am like in his lap just to give you an idea. I mean, we are we are like overlapping one another. Go ahead, Andrew.

No, I just want to I just want to have your back here, man, because like I don't know how much I should go into. But when we do a whole thought come on this next week, I want to I'm just saying, though, that as a little foreshadowing of that, I'm not even saying listen, I'm not even saying that it's an excuse. The way I look at it, it's like, hey, it's the snowball. But this time it will be called the Weed Bowl.

You remember Tom Brady? You know, he had the snow game where he had just you just had to win it. This will be known as the Weed Bowl where you just got to sometimes, you know, go on the road and you just got to play with the conditions.

There's no excuses. You just got to sometimes it rains on campus. No, yeah. And I now have the weed moment and where I had to I had to I had to calculate in real time. And we're gonna do a whole episode on this, probably very slowly as some sort. Yeah, exactly. Do I walk away and then I'll just end with this and we'll do a whole episode of this in the future?

Or do I just suck it up and see what happens? Okay, honestly, Charlie, every time he kept lighting another one, I just used I just sit there going like, Oh my gosh, I can't but like another one and he would just every 20 minutes. And he would wave in front of my face. He'd say, so Charlie, you know, I know you'd say so it's interesting point there. And by the way, he'd be like, he'd have it in his left hand. So imagine this is his, you know, this is the this is the weed.

So, so Charlie, you know, so what what do you what do you think about that? So actually, I was proud all things being equal considering I, I get sensitive with temperature and smells in the studio. I'm like very temperature, very sensitive. I don't like cigarettes. I can't stand cigar smoke.

And I certainly don't like weed. So all that to be say, make sure all said, make sure you tune into the episode when it drops. Yep, it was it was something else. It was something else.

You did great. They say that that high IQ individuals at that high IQ tends to correlate with like, you know, these, you know, these types of like quirks. So like, you know, being really, you know, having real, you know, this issue with like, smell or having an issue with, you know, just random sense that sensory things that wouldn't bother like the average person. They also say that it correlates with with creativity, actually. I look, I don't know my exact IQ.

I know it's testing as young and it's high, not as high as Blake's, I'm sure. But I also have a very big issue with sound. Like if there's like background noise, it drives me crazy if I'm trying to focus on something anyway, all that to say no excuses. You got to play hurt. You got to play with the flu. You got to play with the snow. You got to play outdoors.

And sometimes you got to suck it up and just go through Bill Maher's weed for nothing else. Nothing less. It makes a pretty cool story. Wait, wait, wait, you don't like background noise?

No, no, no, no, no. I don't like chaotic background noise. It's very different.

OK, I like if there's like a sound machine or if there's something that I have invited that has rhythmic consistency, legit classical music, plain, great classical music. But I don't like chaos. If I'm trying to give a great example, if I'm eating at a restaurant and someone is nearby and they have a conversation of which they're talking about something and their opinion is stupid. That is incredibly distracting. Like if if they're like next to me and they're like that Trump guy is trying to renegotiate the trade deals. It's like I'm actually listening more to the conversation behind me than I am to the person in front of me.

Very hard, very hard to turn off. You don't want my brain and you don't want my brain on weed. I'm telling you right now, you don't want either of those things. What about just in general?

What if what if you're in a movie and like someone's talking the whole time? Oh, no, no, no. That that's that should be El Salvadorian exportation like that should be straight. We should have a conversation about that. Yes. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

I'm kidding. Wait, we have to play one more video. And then we got to run. All right. So this is the A.I. Barron Trump singing at American Idol. This is our A.I. slap. So so the action figures were all lead up into this.

Charlie, three, three, seven. This has millions of views on like YouTube and TikTok. Do people believe this is real? Yes. Yes. Yes. Millions of people. Yes.

Mindlessly. He told me the lips are there's a whole there's a whole genre of these like Baron. There's the America's Got Talent. This is actually a good song. This song is a lot better than the Beyonce country music plays country music voluntarily. I leave. I actually my family and I left a restaurant recently because they were playing country music. I said, I'm not going to pay. This is ridiculous.

So we left. Like by the end, the lips don't even line up with the audio. But the sad truth is it doesn't matter. You'll find if you go on Facebook, it's a wasteland of this. Like there are entire pages that are just A.I. generated, you know, stories, A.I. generated videos, A.I.

generated audio. And you'll get hundreds, thousands, you know, with like the, you know, the prayer emoji and some hearts. And oh, my God, God bless our president and and all. I'm just going to say this. I'm just going to say this. Like, I love my dad.

My dad's my hero. But I've noticed with like him and his friends, like they he'll run it by me. But he'll be like, is this real? Is this real for like all this kind of stuff? And it's like it's kind of funny because it's like for those of us who sort of grew up on the Internet or got introduced to it, whatever, that we kind of have this general disassociation with the like knowing what something's real and something's not. Or, you know, meme culture, you know, you know, it's not real. But for a certain types of people, you know, they're just so used to like, I see it, therefore I believe it. And there isn't there's never that extra step of like, oh, I don't think that's real. And unfortunately, the way the algorithms work now. Yes, my action figure is 100 percent real, by the way, made not in America, but also not in China.

They're 100 percent made in El Salvador, actually at the prison itself by the prisoners. It is, in fact, their their punishment to have to make Jack Pacific action figures for for a certain subset. And of course, we're going to be working on on Charlie Kirk. Funny enough, a lot of the older women really want the Blake Neff action figure.

I don't understand. Yeah, we should sell these. We should totally sell these.

It'll be like a selloff. Bukele just retweeted me, so I'm going to hit him up and see if we can get a little little product line going. Yeah, let's give him the URL to these. I like the Charlie Kirk with the arms out is pretty good. Charlie is impressive because the way the arms are angled, I kind of think that one's probably got more of those points of movement. Like it's one of those advanced action figures where you can bend the wrists and the elbows and you can like you got a full ball and socket joint in the shoulders. Like you could get some real action poses with Charlie as he saves America, whereas Jack and I, it's probably just like you can like move the arm up like this to like wave to people or something.

Yeah, we're like the old Star Wars action figures where you could just like move the arms up and down. And that's about it. Yeah, the team literally wouldn't show me mine before the show. And I was like, why? Why are you not showing me mine?

I guess they're really proud of this one. I do have denim shirts. I don't have that Tesla. Yeah, it's not the right model of Tesla, but you know, it's hard. It's not the right model. That Tesla, he says. I don't have that one.

I haven't. Yeah, it's not the right one, but that's funny. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, it looks a lot like... All right, gang, I got to run. All right, Jack, I'm going to put this lozenge back in my mouth. And with that, I'll say this lozenge will not make me feel like I felt yesterday. Don't do weed. And definitely don't do weed if you have a two-hour podcast of high consequence with a comedian who doesn't believe in God and is a liberal. However, with that being said, keep committing thought crimes. Happy Easter.

He is risen. God bless. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody email us as always. Freedom at CharlieKirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.