Jon Scheyer reflects on the loss to Wake Forest

This is the Adam Gold Show. special moments. You know, my kids are at a funny funny ages right now, and they're pretty excited by the holiday season. So how about you family? Good. Everybody.

Everybody is great. And yes, I'm not sure it matters what age the kids are. Like I have a 24 year old. He's excited for the season. I have a 14 year old.

He's like, he's rummaging through my closets. So have you already gotten Christmas or Hanukkah presents? Do you do that? Or just or do you have?

Do you have minions now that do this for you? I, uh, I tag team with my wife and I credit her with making sure she gets them some special gifts and we give some books as well. And then books. Yeah, there's books.

It's important to keep the education going. And that's a special presence for Christmas. I took my 14 year old I said, we got to stop here in Barnes and Noble. And he was like, Why? Like, because the door Jack, nothing in here is for is for you.

But it is. By the way, do you celebrate both? Or do you celebrate or do you just give even as a kid? We got I got my gifts on Christmas Day, because all my friends did as well when I was a younger kid.

We've tried to do both. Although this year everything kind of fell by the wayside. We've I've been blessed as a kid to be exposed to both Christmas and Hanukkah. And so for us, we're doing the same with our kids.

Yeah, it's a it means more gifts. That's when when my kid was younger. He certainly was like, Oh, wait, we start early here.

I didn't tell him when the first night was this year. Alright, let's let's talk about Tuesday. Is it harder to flush? What happened Tuesday now than it used to be for you?

Or is it the same? It's the same, you know, it's you hate to lose. And, you know, for me, I've definitely always been a guy that hates losing when I love to win.

And I really love to win, by the way. But it's important to have perspective is important to understand why that happened and give way for us credit. You know, they were better than us that night. But it's a good chance for us. We've had a big time grind big time start of the year to regroup, we refresh, and then also get refocused for what we need to do going forward, which we have a lot of areas to improve and feel like our upside is still really high with the fact that we'll get our team together fully when we get back from Christmas and we're excited for that. First of all, is your Are you okay?

Your voice sounds a little rough, a little gruff. So did this happen as a result of Tuesday night? Or was it happening anyway?

It's it might have happened anyway. But Tuesday definitely helped it move along and rightfully so probably we all we all could have been better that night. And so for me, it's it's a reminder and it will drive even more for next game.

What is the analysis for a game like Tuesday? Is that just because you had been off for a while? So when you when you went back and looked at it? Were there easily correctable things or mean?

How did you analyze it? So much of you know, these games playing in conference and, you know, even though that's my first year as head coach is my 14th season going through the ACC grind. And so you know, I tried telling our guys before the game just understanding, you know, what we're going into it's it's every game is difficult, you know, and and for us there was as a group me as a head coach, but also them as players. It's our first time doing it together on the road and the ACC and it takes what it takes and you know, it takes you know preparation having an edge attention to detail and so for us we've had that for the most part.

There's just one game. We didn't have that approach and that's not taking anything away from Wake Wake still might have beat us but we have to be better in order to compete and give ourselves a chance to win. We didn't do that. Yeah, I think on the show leading up to the game. I said, let's see a lineup dominated by freshmen and newcomers hadn't played in a week on the road in the ACC. I don't care who you're playing Virginia Tech just went up to Boston College and got beat.

It was a recipe for for something like that. But I remember a day when there weren't I think you do too when there weren't 20 conference games on your schedule and this might have been somebody else and not wake. Right. Well, you know it traditionally, you know after exams you you it's it's it's always been a difficult game after exams and then, you know, we've always again since I've been a player the game before going on break your mind has to be in the moment and wake was in that same position to like they're they're in that same position.

So that's no excuse at all. But it's a lesson learned for us and we have to take it and grow from it and we know look there's a long way to go this year. A lot of games left a lot of road games left and a lot of opportunities to make up for what happened on Tuesday.

Yeah, one in one in the league is probably not a death knell to your season. John Shire is the head coach at Duke and he's joining us here on the Adam Gold show. You're young. You're new. Even the older guys are new to the program in new roles. Jeremy Roach is the red. He's my me.

He's almost like somebody's grandfather. It seems are you playing the way you envisioned at the start of the season or have you already in some ways adjusted to you know what you've seen so far? Well, I feel like every year I've been here, we've had to adjust somewhat whether it be injuries or other circumstances or whether it be certain guys emerge and the way they're playing and for us, I don't think we fully know who we are yet. You know, it's I'd be lying to you Adam if I said here's exactly who we are. I mean, it's we haven't had our full team for over half of our games and I'm excited about getting a chance to regroup together after, you know, post break and really like I would like for us to play faster. I think our defense has been really good overall, you know, Tuesday night it took a step back, but I think our depth has been a strength. I still see that as the case, but who we are now, I feel like can be different a month from now as well.

John Shire is joining us. I don't know. I was talking about this the other day, Virginia and Houston were set to play and I just looked at the numbers and they're like 361 and 352nd in pace in tempo and I'm like it can't and then I looked and you guys are playing slower maybe than you've ever played. So I don't know if you were if you heard me talk about it.

I know you didn't but I'm sorry. No, no, it's you've got so many better things to do and more important things to do. So I mean, how do you get that up? Is it do you turn up defensive pressure or do you just let's get moving? I'm how do you increase the pace of the way you play? What's the combination and you know for us, I think it's also when you look at some of the teams we've played we've played some teams with really slow pace.

So it's it is hard to speed the game up. You know, you play a Bellarmine that goes later the shot clock you even our first game against Jacksonville and you know for us, it's when we when we have gone on transition, we've actually been really good at converting but it's just the mindset of doing it, you know, and just getting back to it. You know, we have Jeremy who's there Tyrese and those guys need to set the pace for us to get out and get an open floor. It's not where we have to get a shot off as quickly as possible, but putting pressure on the defense and and then phone an offense from there or something. That's I think we'll get back to here in January February.

Let me ask you about tires Proctor. What is his adjustment been from playing more, you know, obviously he's from Australia, but he's played like internationally. So what is the adjustment been for him? And where do you see the next three months taking him Tyrese? Well, he's done a really good job overall and I think for him, you know, this is he wasn't even supposed to be here at this point. And so he's a year ahead of schedule. He's had some huge moments for us. I think he's figuring out how to do it on a nightly basis. It's a playing internationally.

I know it's a different game. There's a there's different there's a different physicality that you can play with over there verse here in college. So I think he's still adjusting to that but he's a hard worker. He's got great belief in himself. We believe in him and you know, the best is yet to come without a doubt for Tyrese and you know, he isn't right shot the ball as well as he would like it, right? That's sometimes how it goes. I've been there myself and he just needs to stick with it and figure out and look, he's done a great job of there's always external expectations or NBA this or whatever it may be.

And for him, he's just done a great job of staying in the moment working every day and it's going to come for him. There was a time where you struggled to shoot. No, I just I was saying that to me. Trust me, I've tried to remember. Coach K would always tell the story. You know, when I hit the game clinching shot against Georgia Tech in the ACC tournament finals, right? He always likes to tell a story how I was, you know, one for 16 going into that, you know, last play in that last shot. I called your number you're one of 16.

I think I was three of 12. But still, it's a it wasn't good. I get it. Have you started to allow you kind of exaggerate stories now? Because that happens. I think I've already been doing that. I think I'm years ahead. I think I've, you know, I'm an exaggerator storyteller. No question. It makes it better. It makes it sound better.

Of course it does. By the way, I played football one year and I was bad. But I played against that exaggeration, by the way, that you played football.

I would. Well, no, it's one year and I played like two games. I played JV.

I was never going to say I knew it was an exaggeration. But I played against Craig Hayward's member Ironhead who played for what he played the Saints and Steelers. His kid is his son. Cam Hayward is a dynamite player for the Steelers, by the way, defensive defensive lineman. I played against Hayward's two younger brothers.

And I don't even know why I brought that up. But that was that was my moment in, you know, moment of fame in football. I hated football. And football hated me. So I was much better baseball player sports that didn't demand physicality.

You know, I'm not I'm not I'm not good at that. Does it help you that you're not that far removed from playing? I mean, I know it's you probably feel like you've played ages ago, but it isn't that long ago. So does it help you being somebody who played a decade ago? I think it definitely helps playing here and knowing the expectations of what comes with losing what comes with winning and all those things in gives, you know, credibility with the guys for sure. But I think the biggest advantage is just just being able to get out there on the floor. And whether it's demonstrating something or mixing it up with the guys, I think that helps, you know, me connect with them. And I enjoy doing that. I enjoy being out on the floor. So that's, I think the most helpful part.

John Shire is joining us just a couple of more things if we could. First of all, how much basketball Do you watch now? And is it pro or college? I watch both. I mean, it's every night I have some game on, you know, there's there's so many games being played. And I'm a sports fan in general. So, you know, football on and NBA, basketball, college basketball, and I'm always trying to learn, you know, so for me, maybe watching a game and picking up an action that they do or watching defense, watching how a certain guy plays and also watching our former players, you know, it's pretty cool last night, you're watching, you know, Paulo, and I texted him after they clinched, you know, the game against the Rockets, he had his signature move, you know, where he has a little rocker step and double jab and went baseline and, but just proud of our guys and what they're doing and always following them. He's a headache, man.

He is. He is going to be a beast and watching guys like Tatum. It's just mean to the way he has developed into one of the absolute stars of the game.

John Shire before I let you go and this is kind of a serious question and maybe we'll end on something fun in a second. How does the the NIL era impact what you do and how you have to deal with players? You know, it hasn't impacted like you would think it's still about relationships is still about, you know, coaching them and bringing them bringing them along on the court. I think the, you know, some of the concerns going into well, what would NIL do in a locker room or what would it do with being able to coach sharing guys?

It's it hasn't impacted that at all. You know, I think it's just a matter of they're able to get what they deserve. That's so to me, it's been a positive thing and coaching them has been what it should be. We've I think part of that is who, you know, we have and who we recruit the character that they have and they're all hungry to get better. But for me, it's been, you know, really nothing but positive on our end. So I mean, because everybody talks about the wild wild west and what if this kid is making this and this kid is how is there going to be resentment?

You haven't you haven't come across any of that? No, I think it's that way. No matter there's, there's always guys that play more minutes or you know, more shots and there's always things right that that's part of life.

I mean, that's whatever. And this is just one other aspect to it. It's no different from, well, it is different obviously from an NBA professional level, but it's the same thing at every level.

level of sport, every level of, you know, high school college pro, there's always things that come with it. And, you know, being upfront, having, you know, just open, honest communication, our guys have been terrific with their attitudes, their approach. And, you know, I've, I love coaching this team so far.

And we, Tuesday, I don't know if any of us love that experience. Coaching them and NIL has just been an added bonus for our guys. And they get to go home.

So anything that happens after that has to be delayed. How much money could John Shire have made in NIL during your four years at Duke? Probably not as much as I would have liked to think. You would have bought the sons by now. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Well, you know, with, you know, personality and you know, how much I love social media, I would have been all over the place. So yeah. I appreciate your time. Happy holidays to you and your family. And good luck when everything kicks off again. New Year's Eve, right? New Year's Eve? That's it. New Year's Eve.

One o'clock. There go your plants. Yeah, exactly. Thanks, Jeff. Happy holidays. Thanks for having me. John is great. Appreciate his time. All right. When we come back, you've heard that Dabo Sweeney hates the transfer portal, right?

He won't, he doesn't want to dip into it. Even though Clemson lost a bunch of guys, I think eight, eight guys to, uh, to the portal. Look, it's the reality.

You're going to have to go into the portal. Alabama does it. All this, Georgia, all these schools do it. You're going to have to do it. And I'm sure Clemson will do it, albeit reluctantly.

But if you think Dabo hates the transfer portal, wait till we hear his take on NIL. Next. We've already had a big hour. We had Rod Brind'Amour and John Shire.

Next hour, stretching into this hour. Brennan Whitted from the league pass later. We already saw him on TV, Dennis. We can't, we can't not. Can't deny it now. His mic's on.

Everybody saw him. So, uh, we're going to talk a little bit here about Dabo Sweeney. That might flip over into the next hour. Uh, but Brendan is here. We're going to talk some hoops. Uh, we're going to talk about Dion next hour. Uh, and I don't know if you, you might've heard the interview with Trey Oliver or not from Central last week, but I asked him a question about matching wits with Dion and you could hear the eye roll. You could hear it now. I might be just projecting that, but he paused and laughed a little bit and I thought, Oh, okay. Yeah.

He doesn't maybe think that Dion, so they really did. They that that became a, that's a great football game. It was, it was amazing. And like, I, because I've been, you know, more involved in HBCU sports lately, I worked for Bison express, the well raising arm.

You are yeah. For Howard's Howard's athletic program. So, which makes me feel, this is like one of, this is a job that I would have created for myself. Um, and so I'm really, really excited about it. And so I've been in more HBCU spaces more than I had been in terms of just athletics. I was, I've always been an HBCU, HBCU spaces, but then like the vitriol that, that there was so much extra stuff attached to that game, man, North Carolina, A and T there was like, there's the A and T's that there's Jackson state. There was, I mean, we'll get into a dance, but like it, it, it got so, it got so big about just, it was, it was the, the biggest you can make any conversation about HBCU sports within the HBCU community, because everybody had to take, everybody was more invested than maybe you would have imagined that they were. And then you had the people that weren't as invested in HBCU sports also had jumped into it. It became a whole thing. And I was like, I really, I liked it because it felt like UNC and Duke, you know, it felt like that kind of a big deal. It was a big game anyway, but it made the, all the attention and the fact that it was Dion just made it all bigger. And there was a lot of disrespect. That's Brennan with it before we, before we hit the break and we come back and we talk about that and a bunch of other things, including hoops.

And we have some fun coming up next hour anyway, cause it's the one o'clock hour and we goof off. The NIL is a big deal. Everybody thinks NIL is a big deal. Dabo Swinney, apparently I didn't realize this. Dabo Swinney says that they have Clemson has been basically on the ground floor of name, image and likeness.

Here's Dabo from yesterday. Honestly, I mean, for me, we, we built this program on NIL. We really did. And, and I, it's probably different than what you're thinking though. We, we built this program, uh, in God's name, image and likeness. And that's how I look at it.

All right. Um, I am not in any way going to make a joke about Dabo's faith because obviously it is shared by a lot of people. I don't find jokes about that funny anyway, but Dabo clearly thought that that was cute. He really thought, oh, wait until they get a load of this. You can see the smirk on his face before he dropped it. It killed him.

Bible study. That's not the first time he's told that joke. That's not, no, no, on the, uh, well, I don't know if it's a rubber chicken circuit, but yes, during the, uh, during the summer when he's going out and meeting, yeah, there's no question like, all right, Dabo, just enough.

He's slow trying to down with two and up, you know, I bet half the people in that room had already heard that too. So I, you know, well, here's the thing. NIL is the way of the world. It's the lay of the land now. So, but if Clemson doesn't want to play it, we'll find out down the road, but, but I'm sure they're going to play it. This is the Adam gold show.