Jim Phillips State of the ACC Address // Dave Doeren

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What burned? I think Jim Phillips. Look, there are two annual rights of passage here. One, everybody's going to make fun of the commissioner at the commissioner's forum.

Sure. Because the commissioner is going to do things that kind of deflect from certain obvious problems between the, you know, the revenue gap between the ACC and the two big schools, the two big leagues, the Big Ten and the SEC. And then because he is an old school guy, like just about all the other commissioners, and they're going to make fun of the, the, the, the Olympic sports and the, the academics. It's what we do. Yeah, this is what we do here. Like, I didn't have any problem with what Jim Phillips had to say it. Some of it was very predictable. We're actually going to talk to Jim Phillips on the program tomorrow.

And I am looking forward to maybe peeling back some of the things that he discussed and we're going to get to it in a second. There's actually, I, this is sort of a day where, I mean, I'm glad we're here. There's an energy in the building which is really cool when you see some, some people that we watch on TV and, you know, the ACC network setup is right here.

You're looking, you're, you're, you're looking at me it's from, so like behind you to the left. And so there's an energy about this because the football season is pretty close. And it's NC State day Dave Doran and Devin Leary both going to stop by.

And you can tell that they're excited for the start of the season I think everybody's excited for the start of the season. There's also some other things that are really cool to talk about that we're just going to have to figure out a way to fit in today, like I thought Major League Baseball's all star game last night was just fun, even though the game might not have been great. The three to final all the runs were scored in one inning for each team.

So we had eight at bats for each side that were useless. Just did nothing, but for the most part, it's been a really, really, there's, it was a fun watch. And we'll get to that a little bit later on but right now, we got things to do.

And Dave Doran's at the bottom of the hour. So let's start the proceedings. So the commissioner of the ACC gave his state of the ACC address today and according to Jim Phillips, the state of our union is in search of healthy communities for all not just the two or three gated communities real quick before we hear from Jim Phillips, talking about gated communities that by the only one who was a little uneasy about that.

Like, I don't know. Gated communities is keeping people out. It's, it's, it's not inclusive. Yeah, I think we should want to not like I don't want to live in a gated community. Oh, like, I'd like to afford to live in a gated community without living in a gated community. I don't need to keep the riffraff out. I am the riffraff.

So I was a little. It just made me feel it was a subtype analogy when he used that it's like, yeah, we're good. You know, we understand that we live in a very privileged space. You know what, call it the penthouse. Sure, call it the penthouse. Although living on different floor that's the the elevator goes right to the penthouse so they don't have to be, you know, with the unwashed anyway for Jim Phillips.

It's time to look out for the greater good. Here is, here, here's what he's talking about will also strongly advocate for college athletics to be a healthy neighborhood, not a two or three gated communities resources may be different, but access education and competitive opportunity will remain the foundation going forward. Let's get to that part, because Jim Phillips spent a lot of time talking about a lot of important things in college athletics. He spent a lot of time talking about the ideals and academics and experience for the student athlete which I know I hope you're like me, every time you hear the term student athlete.

I think it's just at this point it's baked in. It's unfair. They're athletes, or their students. We don't need to call them student athletes.

It's almost a derogatory term. Anyway, but he talked about Olympic sports. But the reality is that in today's world of fortune 500 college sports. None of that matters. I mean it matters. But to the bottom line.

It doesn't really matter, but to his credit. Phillips didn't shy away from the revenue problem. And he said that everything is on the table here's Phillips on that. How concerned are you that the growing revenue chasm could turn the power five into a power two with the big 10 and the SEC way ahead revenue wise of the ACC and his expansion the only real solution to cutting that down. I don't know that it's the only solution.

I think you have to look creatively. We've been doing that over the last year we're going to continue to do that. All neighborhoods need to be healthy.

It's not good for college athletics. If we're not. And again, you heard my reference earlier. We understand where those two leagues are. No one's ignoring that. And we're all trying to find ways to close that gap.

Right. Yes, we did get another all neighborhoods need to be healthy, good for. I think that was one of three or we have actually now two of three references to healthy communities throughout rising tide lifts all boats, type of a deal. But he did allude to the fact that everything is on the table and expansion isn't the only way to improve the finances of the league. And he even addressed the potential for like as an uneven distribution of money.

And that is something that probably should be on the table. Now in a perfect world, there would be so much money coming in that nobody's going to get bent out of shape and it's all shared evenly. But when some of your schools, like a Clemson is so far out in front football wise, in terms of consistency and all of that, that maybe they deserve a little carrot here and there, you know, an extra couple of million dollars off the top before revenue is distributed. You know, it wouldn't impact so much. Like if Clemson ended up if the ACC pulled in and what did I see was five hundred and twenty eight million dollars in shared revenue.

This past the last fiscal year based on tax filings, I think I read yesterday. So if you if you skimmed ten million off the top of that and stuck it in, you know, in Clemson's jacket pocket, once you spread it around the league, man, I'm not saying it's inconsequential, but I think we could all understand. Right. I'm not saying that's the way they're going to go, but it is an option. By the way, expansion. Expansion has to pay for itself. Otherwise, there's no reason to do it.

And I don't know that there's anybody out there that will pay for itself either way. I mean, Notre Dame would, obviously, and we'll get to that. He also said that he believes strongly that if Notre Dame is ever going to join the league, it will be the ACC. Philip said that today. He also said something else that was really interesting to me, that their relationship with ESPN is critical.

So I will ask this question will ask it throughout the date of certain people. What is ESPN's incentive to have a strong, vibrant, viable ACC? I think it's pretty important.

I think Carolina basketball. But yeah, look, you're also clearing football revenue. Yes, you are. So isn't it important right to have a vibrant, a viable ACC? And the answer is yes.

I read this yesterday. And look, I don't know that it's ever going to happen because there's no real, I guess, real precedent to simply renegotiate a contract that has 13 years left on it. But I'll just say that maybe ESPN comes back to the bargaining table and sweetens the pot a little bit.

Just saying, maybe they do. We'll see how that works out. But it's certainly in ESPN's best interest to have a good ACC.

And now here's Jim Phillips on, I don't know if this specifically mentions grant of rights. We'll get to that in a sec. Phillips on the conference as a whole being together.

I know where our 17, you know, or our 15 schools are. We are really aligned to try to find some solutions to that revenue gap. But it can't be at the expense of all the other things that we're doing. And so there's, I think, a really good plan for us as we move ahead. Again, considering all of our options. And in these kinds of times, you have to do that. This is unique. What's happened over the last 12 months.

I'm just gonna stare right into the camera. Did he say 17? Did Jim Phillips say 17? So yeah, you heard it here first. What?

You heard it here first. 17. I counted him up.

Even if we add Notre Dame, I only get to 15. Yeah. What is that telling us? Is this like live golf?

So we have two team logos in silhouettes coming soon? I don't know. He said it was a slip. Just a slip. Because yeah, someone followed up and asked him.

It was like, Hey, sorry, wait a second. Expand. So he talked about he talked about grant of rights. And he used a great analogy for grant of rights and an analogy but an example why he thinks grant of rights will hold.

He said, Texan, Oklahoma made the move to the SEC last year. They're not leaving until after the 2025 season. Yes, when they're granted. That's when they're granted rights. And I mean, what's better for them to play in a league is lame ducks, or just to get an SEC money now. The problem is they can't do it. So it does seem to be a pretty solid legal stance. And if that's what holds the ACC together, then there's not a lot of worry, I guess. But you never know, man.

You know what's undefeated billable hours undefeated. If you're watching on video, you see that Brian Murphy from WRAL sports investigative reporter has sat down with us. Are you immersed in grant of rights you have you really dug into that? I have I've read. Well, I've read the document as much as I knew I should have gone to law school.

Well, we all should have. Who are the two would have all been doing better right now who were team 16 and 17. That's what I want to know. I actually thought that it was Hendrick Stinson and Cameron Smith that have decided not to go to live but will play all sports in the ACC. That would be that would be great if Jim Phillips were to talk to him later. If he will tell me who the 16th and 17th schools are.

That was a great that was a great faux pas. All right, so there's a couple of things. Let's start because I know he mentioned headquarters very difficult. There's three cities two states can't have a two state solution.

It's Orlando or Charlotte or green. Right, but he's like two and a half months ago. He said we'd have a decision in a month. And today said I don't have to do it within three or four months we'll have a decision. What's going on. He said the next month or two, he said they haven't even presented the proposals to, to the, to the president's yet to the 15 presidents. I have to imagine they were waiting for North Carolina budget to pass right includes $15 million in incentives and waited for Governor Cooper to sign it. I imagine this realignment stuff may have kicked that can down the road a little bit on on on the net, I mean on the headquarters but it sounds like everything's buttoned up and ready to go and these presentations are ready to be made at this point.

Well, let's let's let's get those presentations made. And look, I am of the mind you tell me if I'm crazy. I am of the mind that it doesn't matter. Yeah, who cares.

I'm really, that's my literally it could be a post office. I mean multiple lawmakers have told me that they negotiated this inside package, multiple lawmakers are on the record saying the ACC is going to Charlotte. So, so why you know why is this process now dragged on for over a year when it first happened when it was first announced everybody said they're going to Charlotte right and now lawmakers who have worked with the ACC on this incentive package say they're going to Charlotte. Why this has to drag out for another month or two, I don't understand the holding out for more money.

At this point, the budgets been signed. Yeah, at this point they're going to get what they're going to get from North Carolina will Florida come in with some big package, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me to move this thing to Florida. Look at the amount of media that's come to Charlotte.

Yeah, most of it drivable certainly not not for everybody but but many of these media members are here because they can easily get here. It seems like Charlotte is, you know, the heart of the ACC. Yeah, I think that the state of North Carolina centrally located we have schools in Syracuse in Boston and Pittsburgh and Miami. Yeah, it seems a little bit far fetched to have like to move HQ but I'm not even sure HQ would matter for this like I don't think they would change these.

Is there any indication, Brian Murphy from WRAL sports investigative reporter. Is there any indication that the location of headquarters has anything to do with like the basketball tournament being in Greensboro. No, no, I mean, the SEC is in Hoover, Alabama. That's what the SEC headquarters are. Why love who knows, I imagine that retail office space is very cheap in Hoover, Alabama, right. You know this only became an issue in the PAC 12 when they when they bought the most expensive real estate they could in San Francisco, Francisco, and now all of a sudden they said, Hey, wait a second, let's go to Las Vegas, land is cheaper, everyone can work remote do whatever they need to do.

I just don't think that your office matters all that much where your headquarters everybody works online. I don't which leads me to believe, why are they going through this whole process just keep it in Greensboro, or this is my suggestion. We buy this tricked out RV.

And Jim Phillips just drives around from school to school machine gas prices these days. Okay, let's get an electric RV. I do understand Charlotte, like right it's an easier flight for all these people from from Boston, all the places you just mentioned, they can all get to Charlotte much easier than they can get to Greensboro.

Okay, great, done. Now, get some real estate, get it done and just and just be done with it. It seems like they're Jim Phillips has way more important things to be dealing with and then the headquarters. So, what else other than HQ which I think is the biggest non story here.

I mean I like I don't want to disparage it, but I just don't see the reason reason that like Nash teeth over it. What are the things that you are that struck you about what the Commissioner had to say today that lead you to all right I'm going to follow up on this this is where I'm headed. Yeah, I already posted a little story at WRL com sports WRL sports fan calm about the grant of rights that's right was really interesting. He talked about how confident he was and you mentioned it that the grant of rights will hold. He also mentioned how confident he was that the 15 schools are going to stick together. And of course that's what the PAC 12 Commissioner would have said, right, the day before USC and UCLA left. But but he also talked about how confident he was that if Notre Dame joined the league, it would join the agency. I mean, once he finally got through his prepared remarks and took questions. Phillips did seem to be speaking from like a position of strength when it came to the grant of rights they were totally different sessions. Yeah, yeah, he felt it seemed to be a very confident that at least through 2036. Right. And we can talk about I think at some point, the cost of and and the time left will those lines will cross, and we'll have a different conversation about grant rights but at least now with with 14 years left on the grant of rights, the way Jim Phillips was talking that that to me was the most interesting part. Yeah, that, that, and also, he mentioned a few times how deep and important their relationship was with ESPN I want to, I want to peel that back in a second. But Adam Golden Studio with my man coach Pete deRuder with the Capital Financial Advisory Group we are talking retirement coach, let's say I have more than a million dollar balance in my 401k. Congratulations.

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800-661-7383 or text Adam to 21000 for coach Pete deRuder. The example he used of Texas and Oklahoma, not leaving early, right, because grant of rights and Southern Cal and UCLA not leaving early because grant of rights if they are not doing that, then what it says is that the grant of rights is a strong legally binding agreement. And it, it is me the way it's written, like, we own you right that that's basically they could have just said we own you. So, are you talking about a lengthy and costly battle with an uncertain outcome. So you're gonna spend a lot of time and a lot of money, and you're not 100% sure what the outcome is going to be. I think Texas and Oklahoma look to that and said it's just not worth it right it's not worth it, even to Texas who has more money than anybody, because you just, you could lose, I mean at the end you could spend millions of dollars, probably a two year process we're talking about, at least, and then at the end you lose and you're stuck in the same conference and so you've just cost yourself time and money, and you know athletic directors and school presidents aren't in the business of giving away time and money. Yeah, the hundred and $20 million in an exit fee. Nobody wants to come up with that, although I think you can pay that out over time. I mean, Maryland didn't give up but I think at that time it was 50 million, Maryland didn't pay that in one lump sum right so. Plus there is the bank of the big 10 know he's borrowed that from the big 10. But, so nobody wants to come up with $120 million exit fee. And then, like, now, 10 years down the road.

Right. If things have not improved, then I would be. That would be a concern for me today, could you Clemson's not going to announce today that in 2036. We are making the move to the SEC, right, I mean I think the, the Oklahoma Texas timeline is instructive right they gave two years notice three years though yeah, that's about the maximum amount of notice you're going to give and so I think the ACC has time on its side, you know, because of the grant rights right buys the league some stability it buys a time. Now what can Jim Phillips and everybody else here, do in that with that time that they bought.

I talked to Phillips afterwards he did a little, little session. And what I asked was, Okay, say the ACC network and this gets to something else would say the ACC network gets on the air and Phoenix, and Seattle, and San Francisco. Does the ACC get that money or do the schools that got it on those networks, get the money. And what he told me is that it's the network that's getting paid. So the ACC would get money.

This gets to one of the million distribution now. Right. Yeah, this gets to one of the survival options for the ACC and that is the partner with the PAC 12 in some way to put PAC 12 games on the ACC network, and thus increase your distribution of the network, right, or, I mean again I'm not necessarily in favor of expansion, or a couple of teams from the west coast. Sure, which become.

I think the partnership works a little easier, because you don't have to worry. I mean, the travel costs of associating only it stops becoming an ACC network at that point. That's true and that and that was my question like if you're putting PAC 12 games on it doesn't the PAC 12 get some of that money and film seem pretty clear to me he said, it depends on whose network it's on.

It's on the ACC network right ACC gets the money. Well that would be, that would be good I'll be curious as to which games would be on let me ask you one more thing Brian Murphy before I let you go. WRAL sports investigative reporter. By the way you take you change your Twitter handle. Well, I had a sports handle this Murph's at Murph's turf was my title, then I started covering politics didn't want to alienate all those sports.

Okay, so I started a politics one. Now back to the sportsman, I don't even know, we got, I got two for you. The mentioning of ESPN. What are the, what are the odds that ESPN looks at the ACC and said you know what we need a viable ACC and say alright let's, let's talk about the deal. Let's totally know the length is the length, but let's talk about an increase in rights fee, or maybe allowing the ACC some of the games to send it out to another network that is willing to add to the pile of money. Yeah, I mean I think, rather than Jim Phillips I wanted the whoever's in charge of the ACC network to be up there because ESPN holds all the cards that they're the ones who get to decide if the ACC kind of lives or dies, as sad as that.

That is, but I was having this conversation with someone else. It's in ESPN his interest not to lose the Notre Dame to the big 10 then you can never air Notre Dame game because that's Fox, right, it's in ESPN his interest not to have Florida State Clemson go to the SEC because then you're paying double to Clemson and Florida State for the same content you're getting right now so I think ESPN. Now, they could set a bad precedent by going into this contract and then somebody else comes up says, Hey, what about us. So I think they're gonna try to look for some creative ways to get the ACC more money because you're right the ESPN is in bed with ACC, they own the ACC. It is not any expense interest for the ACC to wither and die and and and live in the middle class neighborhood that Jim Phillips kept talking about, he wants the ACC in a gated community, while the while the 10 and the SEC get get even bigger connections. That's not an ESPN's interest so you know we can talk about about Jim Phillips probably the most important person in the ACC is Jimmy Patara and whoever runs ESPN and the ACC network, Brian Murphy, which Twitter, we're giving up at Murf's turf at Murf's turf.

That's the one I use today. It's good. I'm glad you sat down WRAL sports investigative reporter. Yeah, there's a lot of things I thought to me I thought the commission is formed today was as interesting as it has been after we got through all of the, we need healthy communities. Look, I'm all about and sponsoring women soon that he didn't talk about first start or headstart he didn't talk about after school programs, there was no paternity leave we didn't get to any of that but that's for another time.

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Listen now, find James 25th anniversary, wherever you get your podcast. I don't see a target on the back. No, your team is your team is the hunted. Yeah, this year has that changed things. Yeah, I think you know you're going to get people's best in this league and, you know, obviously the notoriety changes just the demeanor of your locker and you got to keep them grounded, you know, and you got to identify some of the pitfalls that come in place and see, and, but it's good you know the guys are excited they've earned some notoriety they've earned some respect and now we need to get on the grass and go play. Has there been a different energy in the spring and into the summer with workouts and guys staying around and staying together. You know, we had great energy the last two years to be honest with you it's it's different in that we're not under the radar, but it's not different and how the guys are in the building or.

I think there's a definite hunger there's there's some. I don't know I guess you'd say chips on the shoulder from our bowl situation. You know, we didn't win the league last year we weren't we weren't in the championship game like we have a lot to prove still and our guys know that and that's what makes it fun like they're not. Hey, we're, you know, 10 and three or nine and three everyone look at the finish. We beat our rival we beat, you know, Clemson, for the first time as a program beat those two in UNC and Louisville in the same season so so many good things happen but at the same time, like our goal is to win it, and we didn't do that so there's just an energy about that.

What was your record last year. I mean they handed us the bowl trophy. There's a mindset among the fan base, and maybe even too many people who've been covering the program for a long time before. Before you got here that NC State is better when there aren't any expectations. How do we convince them that that mindset is kind of BS.

I don't know who them as some I don't want to mention all of them but you know what I mean. You just got to go play good you know you got to go win games and, you know, since I've been here for most of my tenure we've won a lot of games, we've had a couple bad years. And it's about going out and doing what you're supposed to do last year we did that you know it was first time in 35 years they've been undefeated at home, you know, and so there's, there's progress, you see these kids coming back because they want to prove something.

That's what it's about it's about going out and proving it. You also have a lot of guys coming back, who could have made other decisions right. So, it's an older team, you've got some even some six year guys who do.

So, does that. Did those guys take over at that point, and you don't have to do as much, you know, managing day to day emotions and you're because they're going to hold each other accountable. Yeah, I think the one thing you can't replace as a coach is experiencing your systems you know needs. You can go maybe recruiting older player but he hasn't played on your team you know so that value is immeasurable, and I have a lot of experienced players, but the key for us is getting them all on the field and keeping them on the field at the same time right, you know, for once, because I haven't had in the last three years really a season where we didn't have some severe injuries.

We need a little bit of love and care from the Lord on this one and be nice to have that just you know, give us one of those years where things go our way health wise. Yeah, there were so many guys who went down last year and it always seems like you found somebody behind them we did that became a star. And I also think, maybe just because he's one of my favorite players to watch in the league, but Tanner Ingalls stayed on the field. Last year, and so, and a lot of it was his own like his own over exuberance I'll just use that term. But when he stayed on the field, just seemed like it made your defense better. Yeah, Tanner's an elite football player, and he sees things different than other people Sam is a vision of what's going on his ability to react. And obviously the way he hits people you know he's, he's the Tasmanian devil man that's what he is you know I love watching Tanner play and what's cool. You know the coaches in our league we've a lot of us are friends and the number of times someone will come up to me and like damn I was 10 little left. They're sick of playing against him sure as of the how he planned it, and at the same time I say I love how he plays you know and so he no question old school guy that just has tremendous ability. There may be other areas of your football team that you have some concerns about but I'm curious about the offensive line because the way I look at it if your offensive line is good. There were so many guys who was here and it always seems like you're obviously that became star.

That's hard. He's as good as there is in the country so I'm excited about the guys we have back and I think, Anthony Belton is going to be a really good football player for us he's easy. He's back up last year we recruited him from Georgia Miller, military community college. He's had a great offseason. You know, Bryson speeds is back for a sixth year and has played a ton of football for us at guard and tackle and Tim McKay's a guy that's played well and we need him to stay healthy he's had some injury things he's dealt with so those three guys at tackle we feel really good about and just going to be how it plays out in fall camp you know and then you look at the rest of the line we got Chandler Zavala back which was great for that young man.

Grant Gibson returns, Dylan McMahon returns, Derek Eason returns. We've got a lot of guys that have played for us. Dave Doran is with us here at ACC football kickoff. I wondered how much conversation here would be about football and how much would be about the landscape of college really college football more so than college athletics.

So, in a broad way, what are your thoughts on it's really been the last two years but what are your thoughts on what's going on? You know every year I come here there's like this hot topic that has nothing to do with us winning right and that's the new one you know I think it's a shame personally this is just me that teams are leaving their conferences they've been in forever for the dollar and at the Pac 12 had a good setup you know I think losing and again this is just my opinion no one else's but I like the pageantry college football you know what I mean. As an athlete that's at a West Coast school that now has to travel to the Midwest and the East Coast all the time. I wonder how that's going to go over for them, you know, that's a lot of travel, it's a lot of time zones. That's going to be hard on them, it's going to be hard on their sleep it's going to be hard on their coaches sleep you know and all that so I hope it's worth it, because it to me it's. I think it's good for the student athlete to have to do that.

As far as where it's going I have no idea and I really am just like everyone else I'm a spectator watching all this stuff happen and we'll see where it ends up. I feel great about our league I mean our league has a grant of rights that is very hard to change. Yeah, you know, every year I come here there's like this hot topic. I don't know how many schools would be willing to do that so I feel pretty protected in the ACC when it comes to the poaching and all those kind of things. I was curious because there's a there's this revenue gap that has been it has existed really for a decade between the SEC and the big 10 and the ACC. What could you do with an additional $30 million. Yeah, well you know I think there's so many things you know, can we use that for our roster with an IL, you know, I mean that would be one thing I would wonder, because that that would be right probably not can't but why not, you know, why can some general businessman that do that in the school that they're at why can't we do that or why can't that come from the television network itself you know why can't they get an IL deal for every student athlete with money like that, you know, for current players. The academic centers the training rooms the weight rooms, you know, the technology out there you guys have no idea how many times we want to buy something and can't because of budget limitations you know or how we travel or hotels we stay in all of it.

There's so many improvements that could be made just even at the academic center for us you know how can we improve technology so students have better tutors and better rooms to study in you know so many things you know the dorm set up like how can you do things that way and so there's a lot and then you know there's charitable things you could do with money like that to help the communities you're in so yeah, and I would love to have that problem summers get shorter, they do guys start earlier. Do what, what, what was your summer like anyone fishing. Yeah, always go fishing. Yeah, you know we finished a crazy June, I've never seen recruiting like it has been in June this year, went went to the mountains, one of my sons goes to Appalachian State, and so went to the mountains spent some time up there with some friends and, and then went to Lake Gaston which is kind of our getaway and then finished it off with a trip to Montana, with two of my sons got some fly fishing and in North Carolina and and and and now Whitefish Montana this year so had a great summer, too short. You mentioned really wish had a little bit more time with the family but excited to be back. Well, good luck.

ECU is the first one. Yeah, we'll talk to you very soon. Again, it was on video so you look good. Yeah, I appreciate it man. It was fun to catch up with.

My least favorite thing about Jim Phillips today was the idea that, you know, we need some national guidelines for and I am like, No, you don't. Yeah, it don't look it was always going to be crazy at first, because we went from zero to 100 miles an hour. Right. But, so there's going to be an adjustment period.

It'll settle, it'll settle down. And if you're worried about these monies being used as recruiting inducements. Where have you been.

Yeah, that's been the case. As long as we've had recruiting. I keep using this analogy, I'm not trying to cast aspersions on any program, john wouldn't didn't get a bunch of great players to go from New York City to Westwood, because, oh man, what a great program.

There were great programs everywhere. There are recruiting inducements. It's just true. So, we, this is not about saying you shouldn't be concerned about it.

We're just saying that it's, it's okay. And the money should be going to the kids anyway. So let's get as much money in their hands as possible. The long term is, maybe they stay longer. How would that be good.

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