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Major Victory for Life & the ACLJ in Oklahoma

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Major Victory for Life & the ACLJ in Oklahoma

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June 11, 2020 1:00 pm

Major Victory for Life & the ACLJ in Oklahoma. We discuss this and more on today's show.

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Jay Sekulow breaking news a major victory in Oklahoma. Worst abortions talk about today. The state legislator who led the charge, along with ACLJ attorneys live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow line phone lines are open for your questions right now called 1-800-684-3110 one 800-6841 10 and now your holes secular Jay Sekulow log secular. We are to your phone calls 100-4312 that's what hundred 64 3110 and you know we talk a lot about fighting for life at the federal level, whether it's federal courts, federal legislation fan talks about you federal moves in Congress attempts to defund Planned Parenthood or cut out funding to Planned Parenthood like the Trump administration is done, but one aspect of the ACLJ that I don't think it's enough attention nationally when were on a radio broadcast all the time is all the works were all the work we're doing in the states working with state legislators working with governors sending out the same ACLJ legal experts who focusing on this issue who work in the federal level, but could also work in the state level in crafting a good laws that will almost certainly always be challenged in court, so we get brought in to help assist those state legislators and governors in crafting the best laws possible to survive legal scrutiny and of course fighting for life. It's always worth the battle, even if that battle means all the way into the supreme court. We mentioned it briefly yesterday, but Oklahoma passed a new law signed by the governor there and I think that's very important to point out this is passed by the Senate passed by the Best Buy student 37 denied the House voted 76 to 18 it Senate Bill 1728, the unborn person wrongful death act and it actually gives a cause of action with a coercive abortion abortion based off fraudulent information has been performed at, for instance, they dubstep they did studies, Oklahoma and found it how many women were not even getting the basic informed consent that is required under under Oklahoma law or ultrasounds are required under Oklahoma law to what happened with ACLJ team led by Walter Weber of one of our most senior attorneys and especially focused in on the life issue really soared so well known in the pro-life circles in the United States around the world in his work protecting the unborn. Help lead the charge with other senior attorney Ben says the who's done a lot of work at the state levels on life and the book you joining us on the broadcast today.

He worked with Oklahoma. They worked with the state. The state legislators they worked with the governor's office. They worked with state senators, statehouse members and just take a listen.

In this state legislator will be joining us today on the broadcast from Oklahoma. He's Oklahoma's House majority floor leader are representative John Echols. He helped draft and advance the bill. He had this to say, quote without the support of the ACLJ.

This bill would not have become law. The bill I'm holding in my head right now and act relating to abortions grading the unborn person wrongful death act, it would not have become law. Their team talk at the ACLJ worked diligently with both myself and other legislators to make sure we were able to pass this law to protect Oklahoma's onboard survey to talk to him about this. The real talk to Walter Weber about the work within this just to me, it underscores I would take people's phone calls 164 3110. The ACLJ is much broader than just a federal based organization, no doubt about a Jordan like a lot of the work that you do hear about on this broadcast is that the federal level, the very purpose for Jordan is to free up some of this work on the state and local level, you got work on the macro level during the less you have boots on the ground working on these types of efforts.

The ultimate result is not life saved from this bill, Jordan. The result will be live saved and also recourse for those who are wronged by the abortion industry folks, this is a great time.

We have embedded often during covert and at all the things uncertainty but a lot of people getting back to work. If you could support the work.

The ACLJ. This work continues as the pandemic goes on support the work. The ACLJ donate online right now tax deductible ACLJ.stand up for life help us in the battle challenges facing Americans or substantial time in our value freedom sword constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stand with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades ACLJ has been on the frontlines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress to get in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do her work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms than remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you. And if you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us. ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing work, become a member today ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is certainly protect. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn. It's called mission life will show you how you are personally pro-life battle supports and the publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist the ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the motion and what Obama care means to the pro-life discover the many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to life question free copy of mission life today online ACLJ/periscope Facebook. Let me encourage you that share but right now because again, this is the kind information is not breaking through the national news cycle right now and I know that people follow you on Facebook and periscope in a radio listeners you care about the life issue you care about it nationally and also care about what's happening in the states across the country. If you got phone calls force about what happened in Oklahoma. Give us a call 1-800-684-3110.

It's a great time to do it because we are joined by one of the leaders in this effort in Oklahoma to pass this pro-life legislation get it signed by the governor that provides a cause of action. When you see these coercive abortions and will explain what that means.

It is great to be joined by House majority floor leader representative John Echols of Oklahoma. He joined us once before we are going around the country talking to state leaders about coping 19 in the response. There, but it's I think even better to have young today leader Echols talking about this great victory in Oklahoma for life tell people what this legislation does fluently and an honor to be on and thank you for having me. I appreciate so much by what the ACLJ nationwide and II got a startup would go.

This bill would not have passed but for the work. The ACLJ put in your listeners probably want to know when I say the work I don't just me talking about it. You literally spent lawyers like dentist me and others to Oklahoma you were in the meetings you were in the drafting of this bill. I remember the meeting to the Senate pro tem's office and and what we did is really unique. With your help we created a bill that would allow a private cause of action for the coercive nature of the course of action, noted abortion providers are doing when they don't follow the proper steps when they either trick a woman into doing it. They don't let her know all of her options, or even more deceptively they don't let her know all of that that record ramifications and the clinical reasons we know what it is part of the body. In addition to the life issue which is part of the body to have these things and it's a really creative way to hold these abortion providers account. I so appreciate you mentioning the ACLJ's work here because I think a lot of that you know why we don't brag about that we tell people corset. We do this work, but I think to hear from you to hear from a state legislator be because of your resources and needing the expert advice the commitment that were able to make to sit in those experts been since the Walter Weber to be there from the drafting stage.

It takes kind of like what we do at the federal level, but at the state level, which is just as important, sometimes even more important in the battle for life and this is legislation. Of course we come in leader Echols because we want to help make sure we craft help you craft the best legislation possible because as you know, there are always going to have to likely survive legal scrutiny darkly right and we have to be prepared for such unique experience for me. We met in the pro tem's office number Weber Mr. Sydney came and we had Oklahomans for life. So we had national leaders offer the pro-life that you we had local leaders for the pro-life issue and we hammered this out because we all know these are going to be challenged in court and we can we know that's coming.

Even though this is such a commonsense piece of legislation were talking about protecting the woman we in. That's what we want to do is pro-life and want to protect the woman we want protect the child.

We want protect life on all forms on the idea that this is just 100% no-brainer, but I miles using the abortion industry know why that's what it candidate industry, despite things like that. But to have that support the state legislator was incredible.

It was his big deal is not what we get from a lot of national organization support, which is great but boots on the ground that was a big deal. I read through this and what it does to his attorney.

This might soon importance if you call us on the air.

164 3110 leader Echols joining us now. This is become the state law of Oklahoma that the governor has signed this in the law. I know that as State Sen. also Abelard was very important in this, and I'm sure a lot of other members like you mentioned leader Echols but I just think it's important for people understand what this does so as a consequence of having this specific bill. It defines a wrongful death suit under this bill including if a doctor performs an abortion on a minor without parental consent and in the week there's been studies done in this was used to craft a law that as many as 69% of abortions in the US are performed without full legal consent, 69%. Whether that's consent because it's a minor or consent because of the ultrasound rules that are in different places leader Echols to be that is that it is shocking but but we know from the abortion industry.

It we called abortion distortion. They get treated differently than any other business than any other organization than any other medical provider. They never seem to have to be able seem to have to play by the same rules that everyone else does he write you about the we wouldn't even need this bill. People were doing orthopedic knee surgeries without proper consent may be sued out of existence tomorrow. If people were doing back surgeries without proper consent that they be done. We take those doctors like but for listers from the state of Oklahoma.

I mean, we remember we have an abortion Dr. that lived in the nicest neighborhood in all of Oklahoma City. One of the biggest one of the biggest houses that was literally burying dead babies in mass graves running that this is just a wicket on all forms all forms and fashions.

It breaks your heart and to take on that industry and all were saying is they need to be treated the same way as everyone else importance conservatives were intellectually honest on the pro-life argument that's with the ACLJ help us do, because absolutely I wish we could stop abortion tomorrow. I have that in my ability.

I would do it but it we all want that, but in the meantime, we have to say, they gotta stop getting special treatment, which is what they get in a have to be held accountable for their bad actions and that's what this bill done it creatively very creative manner uses the legal system and I hope this becomes the standard throughout the nation. I hope with the ACLJ help us start in Oklahoma Sen. Bullard represent again pro tem Greg create by myself. You control call. I hope this becomes the new standard and we stop giving this industry. Special treatment been in here really appreciate that and I actually just going to follow up on that point very quickly and had heavy expand on a just a little bit because we talk on this broadcast leader Echols a lot about how we need to take back the vocabulary here. We need to take back the mantle of being pro-choice or antichoice that really to me is what this is all about. This is a pro woman piece of legislation. And here's why we discover listers little bit better background maybe you can expand on it. We know for a fact that coercion to get an abortion does not just happen from those in in a mother's life, whether it be a partner or father or whoever it may be. We also know leader Echols.

It comes directly from inside the abortion industry. Planned Parenthood's own numbers show that they have nearly 350,000 abortions every year and they only treat patients that that end up doing a live birth having a live birth to the to the tune of 5 to 6000. That is coercion.

And yet the abortion industry is pushing these mothers into a decision without giving them proper choices speak for a moment. If you would about how this piece of legislation actually empowers women it gives in the information to do what to make a choice in the reason the abortion industry opposes it, I think, is because they know when a woman gets that choice more times than not there to choose life. Is that what you found what we found and just nailed it spot on.

We've been on this journey in Oklahoma for a while supplying resources to women I pass the bill two years ago. The $2 million. The funding organizations that help women choose life by the way was, was opposed by Mike, the entire Democrats in the house. Then, in this bill, which ended up being opposed what what something about that opposition to any of their all were doing is saying a woman is entitled to. They are they are they are need to be treated equally and they need to know all of the ramifications of their procedure. What should the offensive anyone would argue there not because I've gone through that in another medical procedure.

Everyone would agree: complete transparency: complete disclosure of the risks of what of what your options are.

We demand that, but for some reason abortion we know what is going on. We know that there's coercion. We know that the failure to report child abuse and we have case after case we have we have no we know that they're doing abortions on minors who work admitting that they've been sexually abused. Sometimes like people that actually live with them doing the abortion anyway this is a without reporting this is disgusting and disempowers women because right now what do Alexander. They get to know all of your options they have All of the legally required disclosures.

The fact that this didn't pass with 100% is actually my ability leader Echols, let me thank you for your leadership on this issue. You know, we can provide all that expert advice, we gotta be asked to do it and so were grateful for you and and members, the Oklahoma legislature to bring us in to help got the experts but gotta be asked to do it and you did not for to check out and learn more about a leader Echols John Echols.com that's JOA PCH OLS I tweeted that out as well. She can follow him on Twitter stand strong for life and I bet he agreed something to be timeout tomorrow. This new message.

It's kind of popping up about defund Planned Parenthood not our police departments will be right back on Jay Sekulow live remember support work of the ACLJ you're just learning about some of the work were doing right now ACLJ.org building only one.

A society can agree that the most vulnerable. Is there any hope for that culture to survive.

And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life. We've created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition like it will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications of weighing 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the what Obama care means to the pro-life discover the many ways your membership is empowering the right to question your free copy of mission in life today online/challenges facing Americans for substantial time and are now free to sort constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades now ACLJ on the frontlines protecting your freedoms defending your rights and courts in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. Here's the bottom line we could not do our work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms that remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you, are not well this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing become a member today ACLJ you just heard from Oklahoma leader in the statehouse there John Echols in his praise for the ACLJ in this pro-life legislation that was passed by the state Senate, statehouse side by the governor there as well. Governor states in Oklahoma and he had this to say any repeater to get on the air and I appreciate that so much because he said without the support of the ACLJ.

This bill would not become law.

Their team is talking about.

Walter Weber is about to join us on the air been seasoning joining is later the broadcast worked diligently with both myself and other legislators to make sure we were able to pass this law to protect Oklahoma was on board not to talk to Walter Weber about the process but then I want to talk to you here because it's just a reason why I dose people getting back to work and maybe getting a little bit more financially stable for those who are. It's a great reminder of why to support the work. The ACLJ's tax-deductible donation but it's not know you're in Washington DC we focus so much and kinda news the day. We also will use this hour that we have each each day are broadcast provide people about the big battles that we fight all over the country and the resources that we put into it would not be available without our donors yet. Will people think about this journey, when a young mother walks into an abortion clinic looking for options in a difficult situation and then she ultimately is coerced into an abortion and that really does happen Jordan. We can document that she should have legal recourse. And that's what this bill does and look with the ACLJ were eager to engage in those cases, but it really does take two things Jordan you touched on one of them in the last segment of the broadcast. It takes a partnership very often an invitation from a state legislature for us to get involved and then Jordan just takes resources that were set up here in Washington DC to get engaged the federal issues on a moments notice. And that is critically important. But when you're getting engaged. One of the state-based issues very often as leader Echols that it takes boots on the ground.

It takes sending attorneys on the ground to help with the drafting to help with the legal defense and by the way Jordan, this is far from over.

A leader Echols is correct. This is going to get challenged in court and working to have to continue to devote those resources to it.

So I would just say this to folks out if you want that young mother to have legal recourse in Oklahoma and you would like the ACLJ to stay partnered with Oklahoma in that you play a role in this. Yes, we need the partnership with the legislature. Jordan we also need the resources to be able to send the legal staff out into the field, out in the states to be able to do that work you folks to support the work. The ACLJ. Let me encourage you right now you can donate online@aclj.org that's ACLJ.org it's how Walter Weber can get out Oklahoma within 60 and spend that time with those state legislators crafting this pro-life law that you just heard about from leader Echols in Oklahoma became the law of the land in Oklahoma was signed by the government, Oklahoma. It is a kind of a new approach and so donate. If you're able to. I note some are not. Right now because of the pandemic. Because of what phases you're in your business. But if you're able to. Or if you're now bet back on your feet and able to support again the work of the ACLJ, I encourage you to do it so that we can continue to do this work, not just in Washington DC that just around the world, but around-the-clock country as well.

In states across the country. You see, we are the experts that are brought in. We gotta have those experts ready to go in the resources ready to do it donate online@aclj.org today support the work.

The ACLJ they'll let me go to Walter Weber, Walter leader Echols are your senior counts with the ACLJ you been working on the life issue since I probably before I was bored and since I was very young but but you went out to Oklahoma and working with Vince is the and those members and in the Oklahoma legislature just let people understand what's unique about this law that Oklahoma passed and signed by the governor because it allows the sky a cause of action during well you know what I was originally contacted by Sen. Bullard about doing something in Oklahoma.

The question that I asked the one that I always ask when asked. I weigh in on potential legislation to question.

Is it constitutional and meaningful and went to constitutional nouns operating under the land of Marin which is a post-Roe versus Wade world ideally bands an abortion United when it would happen deal with all the different restrictions you face under the current case law, but that's what it is right now. So the first question at that it is accustomed is going to be able to be defensible in court and the second thing is he could actually accomplish something really meaningful, either as an educational tool or as a test case or something is going to actually be able to be upheld in the courts and and and and do something so the approach that we took the Oklahoma law is the civil remedy approach. That's not the standard approach usually think of laws, it did impose criminal restrictions on either doing important, under certain circumstances are. Certainly we want to do is empower the people who were the postabortion victims. The people who have been misled or forced or taken advantage of and going through the abortion process and now.

Afterwards, they realize that they didn't know what they were doing. They were able to give their consent and they want they want be able to get relief better. Jordan is country.

We hear a whole lot about criminal rights right you can't waive your right to left your waiver is fully informed and voluntary. What separates abortion from murder or homicide or wrongful death. If the consent of the mother right we have we have a few minutes country were simultaneously you can have only prosecuted for attacking a pregnant woman killing her baby because that's homicide at the same time Planned Parenthood to do the same thing as not homicide. The only difference is the woman's consent and are our position. I think this should be a 90 vote in the Supreme Court, or any other court is that woman's consent has to be fully informed and voluntary and that's it.

Oklahoma law.targets that lack of either voluntariness or full informed consent receives reports. Walter is pretty shocking Oklahoma. They cited this in their legislation and in their poor when they were going through about why was necessary in these reports at 69% of abortions in the US are performed without that full legal consent so that would mean that there be a lot of potential, you know, in Oklahoma, but if this was adopted in other states with question about that last about a minute, but that's a whole lot of folks that's nearly 70% of abortions being performed illegally because they're not following the consent rules a lot of violent mystery out there that were not hearing about yes there are a lot of women who stand up say they regret their work say that they were he railroaded into it takes a lot of courage and not an end. I think releasing the iceberg. You don't Walter a question that came in. This came in through Facebook and encourage people who were watching on Facebook and periscope share this with your friends and family.

If you want to talk to us on earth got questions force 1-800-684-3110. This question came in and it was basely from Shane kitchen any said could a piece of legislation like this be used or adopted in other states, and Walter, I know we'd be happy to assist other state legislators to do this so but but could be adopted. Other states, very similarly, only that I think that that leader Echols that could serve as a model for other state what new one on the issues that we face in working case and he works as claimed. Stand in the shoes of the women represent them, when in fact they have adverse interest bill and civil remedies like this expose that different than the conflict of interest between the woman who is being railroaded and the abortion operator to make a profit to hold you over for the next thing the broadcast because of an ask about what we all know is the coming legal challenge because her to become that kind of model. It will likely need to survive but we can always predict what it comes to abortion in life a legal challenge so Walter will be joining us to really hundred 64 3110. Remember we do this because you financially support the work. The ACLJ you donate to us tax-deductible donate online today@aclj.aclj's been on the frontline protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you. If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us, ACLJ.org, where you can learn more about our life-changing work, member today ACLJ live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow and Jay Sekulow live picture Julius the second podcast we been talking to Walter Weber River enjoyed by leader Echols from Oklahoma State legislature about this great new law passed inside is a bill that allows lawsuits against coercive abortion. It's is a pro woman law in it what it really does is it in the bill defines there's a circumstance under which is a wrongful death suit may be filed, including for Dr. one performs an abortion on a minor without parental consent or ignores consent altogether does not go through with full legal costs consent so it provides the civil action and we believe, as Walter said as leader Echols said this could become a model for other states for Walter that final question, and enough time alas habit, but I would ask you now because we know the legal challenges coming.

What do you expect that to look like well what we poorly designed and going with the civil remedy is to make it difficult if not impossible for there to be legal challenge. While we were talking briefly before the break, about the sprinkler case to medical treatment, question whether or not abortus can stand in the shoes of their patients. The typical case they claim that they are representing the women in their challenging the state.

The big bad state. This restricting their ability to do important to get abortion in this case the person who can be adverse to the abortion provider in the abortion business is the woman who has been injured and the law only targets abortions that are illegal or tortious purchase is a legal term which means it violates civil law that a malpractice suit or defamation. Something like that. So you you can't have the abortionist claiming to represent women with the women who were suing him say you hurt me you lied to me you took advantage of me when I was and I was had been drugged or I was intoxicated in order to numb the pain of the impending abortion you would head to the abortion anyway and now I'm coming for relief you claim to represent me. Things should be immune from these suits. Not only is that really bad theater in terms of the optics of it, but it's also a legal issue because it is says our listeners understand. You can only sue someone who poses an injury threat to the state is not doing anything to the abortion providers in this case, it would only be the person who suits with a good defamation case you can't say well defamation to the list.

You could sue me for defamation with the might violate my free-speech right you can't do that you have to wait until you are sued in a particular case, and abuse of the lawsuit, then you can defend.

So in this case the abortions have to wait until they are sued by woman and the Savior abortion was illegal or was tortious to say it's unconstitutional, have a right to do illegal works that are right to do tortious abortions. I think it's a really weak argument for them to make and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't see them suing if they do sue you will argue, we don't have standing you don't have a valid suit because you're not suing someone who adverse you just final points were working to be ready if Oklahoma needs us to assist them in defending this because if we defended successfully, it could absolutely become this a new model for other states that are likely to support pro-life legislation to adopt because it's taking that civil action process very quickly.

Walter and and that we do have already assembled were ready in case there is a lawsuit saying in jurisdiction after jurisdiction that you cannot sue the state over a civil cause of action. So someone tries it wouldn't tell him that you can invent new law you you lose because you not suing the people who are who are going to UK you will know they are until they say you right so's Walter great works. You heard the phrase from leader Echols. I don't great work to Vince's these well. He'll be joyously of the broadcast of Walter Weber really leads our efforts when it comes pro-life work and instead an excellent job over a very long career in a tough career fighting against the abortion industry in fighting the unborn children, Walter, it's great to have you on. Thank you for this work you do and the federal level at the Supreme Court in states across the country. Let's hope this does become a new model support the work. The ACLJ, it's how we get this work done this work would not get done without your financial donations. The ACLJ donate online right now and ACLJ.org that's ACLJ.org. We got some breaking news we come back challenges facing Americans for some time in our Valley freedom sword constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to the American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ on the front lines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success.

But here's the bottom line we could not do our work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms that remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times.

The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you. Not well this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.where you can learn more about her life changing, member today ACLJ only one.

A society can agree that the most vulnerable in voice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice defend the rights of life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission life will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later there and what Obama care means to discover the many ways your membership is powering the right question for you, mission life today online/right back to this great pro-life victory. If you got questions about it is a great time to call if you got comments about it because Vince's knee will be joining us. He is another senior ACLJ attorney who helped the state legislators out there, as you heard from leader Echols and Walter Weber for ACLJ. Legal team that was assisting in putting together this legislation so if you got questions about it and maybe how you could do it your state. Call us now she can get on the air with him. 1-800-684-3110 that you may also want to call about this breaking news because this is pretty important fan out of the Senate Judiciary committee let people know I said we would have breaking news we come back from break. We do tell people what it is yet breaking just now off the hill Jordan. The Senate Judiciary Committee has just authorized DD authority of Chairman Graham to issue those 53 subpoenas we talked about over the last couple weeks.

Remember these are subpoenas for individuals who involve more involved in the origins of the Russia probe.

Also, the FISA applications also remember the.

The committee was able to come to a deal with Rod Rosenstein to deliver testimony last week without issuing a subpoena. We will see whether or not they decide to subpoena him for additional information, but Jordan there 52 other individuals that Chairman Graham will now have the authority to issue a subpoena for both for their testimony. Jordan in person as well as documents relating to the origins of the Russian approach suggests now approved at the Senate Judiciary Committee. I think this is very good news for transparency on not only who was involved, but in what they did and Jordan, just final point I would make on this we been through this list of names I would say about two thirds of them are names that our listeners would know the other one third are maybe more interesting Jordan because there names that have not yet really surfaced in the public. The committee is can be talking to those individuals who may be, will have a vested interest in shining additional light and salvaging some of their reputation on this so again authorization for up to 53 subpoenas coming out of the Senate Judiciary Committee pretty big news for go to bed since they are there few they just want to highlight some names. People go.

Sure, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strauch and Jordan. Maybe one that some people wouldn't know it also authorizes subpoena for Kevin Kleinschmidt. He is the attorney who falsified an email to change an answer essentially from yes to no and then presented that evidence to the FISA court that will be very interesting test a meter stick maybe one more Jordan about Joseph P Enke the other FBI agent who went over with Peter Strock at James Connie's directions to interview general Flint without doing what without going through the White House counsel's office can be very interesting to see what he has to say that Susan Rice Klapper Randall Lynch Samantha power, I mean Bruce or who we never got to hear from publicly undergrowth only behind closed doors and got some transcript out at Peter Strock, Lisa page Glenn Simpson from fusion GPS.

This is really serious folks so you got calls about that in calls about that as well. What hundred 684-3110 FA just right for you to Vince's link. Any timeline on like these subpoenas can start going out anytime. I know when the committee might start holding hearings. I think you could expect to notice any day now.

Jordan, one of the interesting things here. There was a.the one week delay in actually taking this boat and I'm pretty confident now just from having talked to folks behind the scenes at one of the reasons for that was because there are ongoing negotiations with a number of these witnesses to see if maybe some of them will come forward voluntarily. So I think that's can impact the timeline here. I think you will see some subpoenas issued quickly of the door nicely think one of the reasons that some of them might not come out quickly because I think I think some of these folks are to come forward voluntarily.

Now that the threat of the subpoena is out there right is an attorney who altered the email out here just as Kevin Kleinschmidt is on there and 34 look about and well hi and I can give legal advice, but I think he's gonna come one way OR another. Whether it's voluntarily or by force of subpoena.

Yeah it will be itching to see what he has to say, like does he take the fifth or does he say I was instructed to do this by someone else. That's why you put these big groups together. You never know what's going to happen.

This is going be very itching to follow.

You got questions about that. To argue that this segment and another segment covered up and things got that we got the list in front yes and keep going through 1-800-684-3110. Talk to us on the air.

That's 1-800-684-3110, but I want to bring a bid 60 because then we heard from Walter Weber.

We heard from leader Echols. I want to read this from Oklahoma Sen. David Boulevard about the bill. He said, with the passage of Senate Bill 1728.

The Senate has taken Oklahoma Senate has taken a bold step in guaranteeing Oklahoma families their constitutional right to seek recourse to legal civil action to protect their families from wrongful death are federal and state constitutions as well as codified statutes guarantee every Oklahoman the right to civil recourse of wrongful death. This bill will finally add that forgotten family members to this guarantee, protect protection and bring justice for the multitude of wrong families across the state. What I think my colleagues for their support. This past overwhelmingly this Senate the house, it was signed by Gov. Stitt.

We had a leader Echols on that's us in your bowlers.

We also work with take us inside bid.

Walter Explained putting this together how he looks at it both will this be constitutional and, if so, that means can we defend in court. If so, is it actually going to be meaningful.

But take people inside advising you know it put going inside working with the state legislators because you do this a lot, not just at this time in Oklahoma just to give a few examples you done in Maryland, you've got it in Ohio you're working for you in Virginia, but you've done this pretty often. But details about this experience. Specifically, I Jordan well what a busy time for the field today. Even through the COBIT situation we we been hard at work. The situation in Oklahoma. Oklahoma is my home state, proud Oklahoma and I'm so proud of Oklahoma and its leaders for prioritizing life and empowering women and and what I mean by that is, is empowering women with knowledge with consent protecting their their legal rights to to receive all the information in such an honor to get to work with with the leaders there so they reached out to us.

They asked us for our advice and and and expertise to help craft like Walter said a bill that would pass legal scrutiny, but that also would be meaningful.

We had a series of phone calls.

Stan Bennett was was involved in some of the early calls and that we help work through this.

The process and as you know of the development of legislation is a lengthy process, you have to be patient and we ended up going out there. Walter and I for some meetings with some of the legislators John Echols being one of them and just to hammer it out and get it done. It it it is for number of reasons that will be constitutional.

Walter went through some of that so I won't repeat it but but I think it will also be meaningful.

I mean it. It's it it's all about consent, voluntary consent, and as you know, under the law. There's not meaningful or real consent. If there's not full disclosure.

And that's really all this doesn't and it puts in place accountability mechanisms to two see that through and as you also know when when you have the legal avenues for legal recourse that discourages that this incentivizes that acts as having both of those protections in place that can impact abortion in Oklahoma just the flock being there, let alone in the event that someone needs to sue under this under this new law is so encouraging to see how the leaders in Oklahoma Sen. Bullard was fantastic on this John Echols represented Tom Dan sponsored in the house and Senate leadership pro tem great Creek House leadership speaker McCallum with majority float leader Echols and and and many others. They were enthusiastic that they welcomed our help. They provided their own expertise in their own knowledge and experience in working together, which I just want to emphasize Jordan. Our members are supporters and Annable that they they allow us to do exactly list along with everything else he field data. Working together, sitting down talking it out and and wind it up with this product and the Gov. signed it and it it most life. It empowers women and it is a success amount if and when it gets challenged in court somehow will be there just like you said you just very quickly because this takes resources for us to mobilize and for us to for these legislators to know who we are to know to call us to contact us and to know that we can come help them and it doesn't cost them a thing as a reason why bid is because our donor support our work that's right that's right. And and and this is just one of many examples of that work in action. You mentioned earlier boots on the ground what it takes and and ends on the ground financial resources and victories for life around the country bid 60. Thank you for your excellent work on this both federally out with the FOIA were testifying in Maryland going to end in Oklahoma.

Keep it up.

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I'm glad to see if those riots have calmed down and the focus is back on George Floyd and improving policing in the United States, especially for minority communities. Let me first go back to what fan announce with the Senate Judiciary Committee about the for the release now in front of me and family got a call about this for Pamela in Kentucky online one Pamela, welcome to Jay Sekulow live on the air. Thank you. My question is on the three subpoenas will be hearing to be televised so send this. Is this interesting. A lot of these people have testified behind closed doors, some of not what is their plan yet to televise these yet that this is a great question Jordan. Let me just explain how this process is gonna work a little bit what happened today in the Senate Judiciary Committee was not that all of the subpoenas got issued what they did was vote to grant the chairman. The authorization to issue them and Jordan. They will not be issued all at once, nor should they.

Here's what they'll do, they'll decide which piece of information they need next and I can think of a several natural choices. After Rod Rosenstein's testimony mean one of them would be Andy McKay who they now have a dispute on what the truth is, will maybe they want to bring in Andy McCabe to see what he has to say. And maybe that will naturally set up this the scenario I so they are gonna probably proceed one or a few at a time and issuing the subpoenas for both testimony and documents they will take that information and then they will see chart a path forward from there to the caller's question about whether or not they would be televised Jordan. My expectation would be that the default would be what you saw when it came to Rod Rosenstein that it would be in person. Maybe some of the senators would be GB joining of the satellite because of the coveted situation, but your and I can also anticipate a situation where maybe some of these individuals who are either still working a case or they want to talk about classified information where you might have to have a a certain session that was behind closed doors.

But Jordan, that that the chairman has said this from the very beginning. His main goal is transparency so that the Atty. Gen. can do his job and holding people accountable. I think in that interest you will have as many a Deist in public and on television as possible. Jordan brings to mind what the Atty. Gen. said the other day. Some of these are names will be familiar with a lot of these 50 3J. Jordan are people that our listeners know folks. Let me diving just think about this and we Andy McCabe basically accused Rod Rosita perjury so he lied there is testimony under oath for gotta bring in a Andy McCabe. It's these are some big folks. Jim Comey, James Klapper, John Brennan, Sally Yates, under oath, and includes people like Peter Schrock and Lisa Paige and Bruce or and those justice attorneys FBI attorneys were altering evidence going to the Pfizer court what you know they take the fifth. Are they get a claim that they were just following someone else's orders to do that. And remember, I think, is then pointed out that it's not just about the great thing about these subpoenas is not just about testimony. It's about documents as well. Documents and communications, and testimony that absolutely there be several documents I can think of right now, how about you know the fully run redacted emails from Kevin Kleinschmidt. We know he already altered one did he alter others think about the documents from Sally Yates who was in that January 5 White House meeting.

Does she have memos from that time documenting that conversation during what about this individual.

What about Mary McCord who works for Sally Yates and allegedly, Sally Yates said that she wasn't briefed by Mary McCord AmeriCorps then represented Sally Yates and she testified gave her deposition to the house Intel committee. She also worked for chairman. Adam Schiff and coordinating with the whistleblower to present the whole impeachment narrative.

So Jordan does she have documents that would be relevant to this will she come voluntarily to testify or will a subpoena have to issue so look some of the biggest black bra Buster information Jordan might not come out of the big names because, quite frankly, we already know about many many troubling actions taken by Jim Comey and Andy McCabe and Peter Schrock and Lisa Lisa Paige. But Jordan. There were others who took actions to enable this process that we don't know as much about. We might get the most information from some of those individuals rights of folks again people of God, because about this about Judge Sullivan as well.

Remember that this is also a guy getting interesting because we haven't got into allopathy outside lawyer that Judge Sullivan appointed as a special prosecutor put forward his 87 page brief. Of course, criticizing the Department of Justice and he recommends sentencing Michael Flynn on the existing charge John Gleason just goes after the Department of Justice you know I don't want to take too much time because I would've Tennessee fan how the Court of Appeals deals with this because I think there's a possibility by the Court of Appeals says enough of this, that the liberal media might like these headlines for a day. The truth is that this could be over with.

Pretty soon hopefully. Man I hope and I hope so, Jordan, and I think the court gave Judge Sullivan one opportunity already to face-saving and the judge did not take that opportunity. Hopefully he will not be given another opportunity.

Hopefully will be taken out of his purview. But you know Jordan, we heard so many analogies about the judge is supposed to be an umpire in on a bit of the baseball guy was a catcher growing up and I was not allowed to play catcher and shortstop at the same time. I certainly wasn't allowed to play catcher and shortstop and also picture and also umpire at the same time. To me that's what Judge Sullivan is trying to do here I think would be appropriate for the DC circuit court to to correct that remedy will put it nicely.

I hope that's what happens you can be very interesting to follow tomorrow though Jordan. Very interesting indeed. Nothing.

I just want to kind of follow off with just us and we talked about this great victory for life in Oklahoma were talked about this, this other kind of movement. I think tomorrow the broadcast for life. You know, instead of type not defunding police have at defunding Planned Parenthood in the and will go through the statistics is we've gone through before, but it's a critical time to do it. But all this work that we do with the ACLJ you just explained to people quickly all the work you do on Capitol Hill and again with the staff that we got there with the team that we got there. All the worker team is doing around the country. It's all because of donors. You know the states bring us in don't have huge budgets.

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If the work that we do on a federal level for here from this office is going to have an impact on the state and local level. If it's going to save lives. We gotta have the resources to put the boots on the ground and make sure the policies the flood of Washington DC are then mirrored oriented group gone on the state level so that a mother who is wrongfully coerced into an abortion. Jordan said that that mother has legal recourse. That is a real result.

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