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The Left’s New Rallying Cry: Defund the Police

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June 8, 2020 1:00 pm

The Left’s New Rallying Cry: Defund the Police

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The Left’s New Rallying Cry: Defund the Police.

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Newest cause of the left mainstream press responded to call to defraud the police, you heard that right talk about it today on Jay Sekulow will live from Washington DC lines of your questions right now. Call one 806 843-110-1800 68412, and now your host will do/liberals across the country. We do not live in a utopia because we do not live in a utopia we require law enforcement security protection to keep us safe to keep our children safe.

Does it be that at all times were always safe in the there's enough law enforcement to keep everybody safe from every instant, every bad actor every criminal act, and it also doesn't be that you give law enforcement to pass with their his bid. A police abuse and when you have seen in the George Ford case. Most recently, you don't give law enforcement to pass. The question is what is the correct response and the radical groups that have been running the protests which that led to riots, which have now kind of called out back into probe protest. They are now pushing something that I could feel like we've dealt with a lot before the ACLJ when it comes to Israel. Let's just divest for the police. Let's defraud the police. We don't need police, let me ask you this.

Give us a call 1-800-684-3110 your police in your neighborhood, your police in your city in your town. How'd you feel like of Job. I'd started endorsing a message like this ever starting to see how elected Democrats. Dad tried to dance around this move which is moving forward to places like Minneapolis and is is there starting the process. There Los Angeles pulling $150 billion out of the police budget that second add to more trading on appropriate police actions could take away from appropriate trading methods or certain things Democrats say well it is to lick piece by piece, city by city. They're worried they're scared to it. If this becomes the defining message of 2020 instead of George Floyd and police brutality and something we need to deal with as a nation that defunding the police is a very dangerous for sites very dangerous at second. It is a losing absolutely losing political kind of ideology is a question about that, but just what we read to you what the Council President of Minneapolis said were committed to dismantling the police as we know it in the city of Minneapolis and to rebuild with our community a new model of public safety that actually keep our community safe. They go on to say, press. When pressed for details about it. She said they really haven't worked through that yet, but that will start with funding obviously want to cut money more to a community-based strategy. Now look what happened with these police officers involved in this murder and that's what I call it is a crime it should be prosecuted. It should be rooted out and get gotten out of the police departments throughout the country. We should be in a situation where no citizen and it is especially true within the African-American community should be subjected and treated like these police officers treated him and it's not just what happened in Minneapolis. It's been many other states would seen it over the history that has to go but the answer cannot be it so simplistic, I will just dismantle the police department and there will I was reading all these articles last night and they will come up with something that may work, what's that something but they really don't know what maybe should have the idea what that's can be before you start dismantling public safety because the primary job the primary job of local government is community site safety and well-being, and I think you're making a a serious mistake really serious mistake. Jordan. When they take this is the route they were making a lot of statements and getting a lot of attention to that would brutality, which was good to get the attention that it was trying to be hijacked by a few and then the than the real protesters took it back from the hijacked good, but now the move is to the political movement what a MIB like amended folks limitations.

We want to take your calls on this. What are your thoughts of this idea to define the police. What if you live in Minneapolis, Los Angeles. There, starting down that path of defunding your police departments one 800 68 or 31 two that's what he hundred 684-3110 challenges facing Americans are substantial time in our Valley freedom sword constitutional rights are under attack is more important than ever to stand with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades. ACLJ on the front lines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do her work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms and then remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you. And if you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing become a member today ACLJ only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition life will show you how you are personally pro-life that supports the publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activists. The ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the motion and what Obama care means to the pro-life discover the many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to life question free copy mission life today online ACLJ/thoughts on this.

This is this is not a joke, folks, this is happening across the country as we speak.

And so in LA it's $150 billion may take it out of the department budget save a very similar in the in New York in the NYPD there, with significant amount of funding be taken out of their budget at a time would you think with this brutality that were dealing with Charybdis.

This is what happened with George Floyd the bird or their police need a lot more trading and they need to go back through their old trading books like Minnesota had to do would say hey let's get rid of the child quote you know that was still on the box. The choke chokehold was still part of police tactics Minneapolis until last week so maybe we need to use those resources to go back through the training materials re-trade, especially those officers who are most most commonly find themselves in conflict street cops if you will, and spread body.

That way, instead what they want to do pay police officers less and provide the less trade or in some cases just abolish the ball together like it Minneapolis were take your phone calls what he hundred 6430 want to but I want to go around and get her body's reaction to this first Harry Hutchinson story is Harry your thoughts on this. Now, growing movement, this cause clbre which is dating Steve at at the municipal level of government. States across the country to defraud the police. Jordan moved deep on the police growing also paradoxical defunding of the police will leave our most vulnerable populations at risk. Consider a few facts first 2018. There were 7407 African-American homicide victims thus understood black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18 1/2 times more likely to be killed by an African-American male then and on black male. So if you pull back the police guess what you believe the most vulnerable populations at risk, the multiple low populations largely consist of members of minority groups. We have already seen this Chicago Baltimore and elsewhere, and it has resulted in added death of over 1000 African-Americans at the police pulled back so we have a natural experiment already ongoing and so it Minneapolis goes down this road we should see housing prices fall. We should see murder rates go up, and we should see criminals moved to Minneapolis because the rate of return on their investment in crime will likely rise on earth to live in the neighborhood which you solicited neighborhood.

By the way, we have no police here I will have this community program and I guess neighbor at neighborhood watch rely all on that nobody nobody who could make that choice would do that.

The problem is that a lot of the people who live in these communities don't have that choice to make. Economically, their stuff there right now is for there to be stuck be this experiment in outrageously extreme leftist anti-police we can live in a utopia I become on Read the room see the world right now. The world is is protesting there's police brutality. The, the, we have covert, 1980. Now it would abolish police in the worst neighborhoods of the country by the in the toughest places this is to be this is how Joe Biden. It's a losing in 2020. Before you get started. We have the ability because of art. The depth of our team to give you some real experience in us and I want to go to what Andy, who is a senior counsel course at the ACLJ, a former United States attorney also served as a state's attorney general and state Atty. Gen.'s office and as a assistant district attorney so said the experience across the board dealing with law enforcement and has had the unique experience about defending police but also indicting them so any comes to this with a complete package of understandings.

Let me start with the first question Andy which is what happened in Minneapolis was outrageous. It's a crime it's murder there.

I think that they're having it as 2nd out.

I don't know the intricacies of the law there that I would've thought it would be murder one, but maybe they didn't even was not premeditation putting that aside, you've dealt with the situation. Let's talk about how you deal with a situation where police officers violate the law bothered on-duty to God doing an arrest, but all you do that if you prosecute them that how you do it and I have seen that and I have done that, in point of fact in the communities in South Georgia and in North Georgia.

We have prosecuted police officers who use excessive force and brutality in effecting arrests and enforcing the law.

But the answer is training and instruction to these police officers that the door and pointed out the chokehold still on the books in Minneapolis Police Department when an absurd thing that has been removed from most law enforcement agencies but the answer is not to take the police force and disbanded and glued together a vigilante force.

Subsequent to that, to protect them.

And I think Prof. Hutchison's remarks are really telling the most vulnerable are the minority and black communities, the poor Hispanic communities among us where there is rampant crime. Who are you going to call your house is being burglarized. Who are you going to call when you're being assaulted with a weapon. Who are you going to call your house and your children are being sexually molested and her are you gonna call a protester and to coming to save you know you call the police departments because these are the least of these who need the protection more than those in the other communities where there is no crime. I have seen it from both sides defending police and prosecuting bullies who have been overly exuberant in their enforcement of the law J and the answer is not to distance and define police departments because in fact calls the fringes of the left and the radical slogans out more and more and more and doesn't do anything to protect the country.

Cities could barely get itself off the ground New York City. Hard to say that he would put a city that is supposed to be reopening today the streets look pretty darn empty. I would you see places that are usually packed like Times Square. This was Mayor Bill de Blasio's message to the public. Take a list. I want to make a statement of principle. Right now, that we will be moving funding from the NYPD to youth initiatives and social services. Again any time with the NYPD that is under probably the greatest rate it's painted since 9/11 and they're dealing with the still even though the rights of car down just a city which can't even get itself back off the ground yet boarded up bird down. That's just what we see in the news office buildings that are empty and trying to reopen and yet he's tried to reopen this massive city and the first step is going to take his take take somebody away for the police. It's a good thing about this for a moment. I mean, it is that makes sense, which of course it does not make sense but what is it due to the populace and that's why what I want to talk to Harry about this, because he lived in Detroit in the Detroit area.

He knows he knows the situation there and what I'm trying to figure out and this is what.it's perplexing meet. They've obviously decided to make a political shift you went from peaceful protests that some rabble-rousers came in trying to disrupt those peaceful protests. Fortunately, the peaceful protesters basically themselves with the police.

Of course, stop that because it was stealing the moment. Then they went back to peaceful protest which is everybody knows I defended the reports reported United States for three decades now, so I defended civil disobedience, I defended free speech.

I don't offend people to take no Molotov cocktails through windows of stores that's called approximate disobedience is a crime to but it's a different level of issue, but here's what I want to go with Harry M at this from a policy perspective you want to have police perform because there's obviously a real problem.

But why do you start with the money and defunding the police instead of figuring out how to make it a better situation. While I think the answer is because of your politics. I think some individuals have engaged in a political calculus that the way to power is to claiming support for a particular narrative and that narrative, at least in part.

If the claim that there is systematic or systemic police racism. On the other hand, other observers see little evidence of bias or at least bias that justifies substantive form that could include changing America's approach to policing that has left more than 1000 Americans fatally shot by law enforcement. So we need to look at the fact and second lien to empathize the vulnerable populations will be at rest, without police very socially comeback via phone calls to take my comments take 1-800-684-3110 that's 1-800-684-3110.

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Thank you. If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing work, become a member today ACLJ Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker's book the blank slate is from page 331 for Dick Durbin out there. This is the sea could find the actual page citation to see family after the event that he understands that yesterday I he said this, the way law enforcement vanishes get Harvard psychologist with law enforcement vanishes all bidder of violence breaks out looting see that settling old scores like vigilante justice, ethnic cleansing, that some of the worst of with law enforcement vanishes, petty warfare about gays, warlords and mafias. This was obvious in the riblets of Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union, and parts of Africa in the 1990s, but could also happen in countries with a long tradition of civility.

He gives the example that when he was a young teenager in peaceful Canada during the 1960s.

He believed in anarchism.

He laughed. His parents argue is that if government ever lay down its arms all all all sorts of things would break loose. Well there to their competing predictions got put to the test at ADM on October 17, 1969.

The bow tree all Police Department went on strike by 11:20 AM the first bank was robbed by dude. Both downtown stores had closed up because of looting with it a few more hours taxi drivers bird down the garage of a limousine service that he competed with them for airport customers rooftop sniper killed a provincial police officer. Riders broke into several hotels and restaurants and a doctor that Dr. Slough a burglar. It is suburban hope by the end of the day. This is just there six bags of big Bert robbed 100 shops had been looted 12 fires had been set 40 carloads of storefront glass had been broken in $3 billion in property damage had been inflicted before city authorities had to call in the RB. Of course the bounties to restore order. This decisive empirical test left by politics.

In tatters, offered a foretaste of life as a scientist you realize this was the 1960s and what happened in his community with the police just went on strike for one day that dad to be is very telling wife so concerted to say in Minneapolis. We don't need police will come up with something else yet so look I I completely agree with the sentiment of the their political scientists there, but I think there's a deeper problem finding. I think what we're seeing is actually knee-jerk reactions to a horrible situation and you never want to make a major decision in the middle of a really difficult situation because you're not weighing out all the alternatives now. First let me go to fan and I got a question for Harry Nandi but but then from a Washington deeper perspective right now it's interesting in the District of Columbia. The mayor there is demanding that the federal government remove its National Guard forces coaches have the authority to do that, but she's exercising authority she doesn't happen. I was all that playing in Washington right now. Well first of all just optically J think it's interesting that these federal officials who are calling for the abolition of police, not a single one has been willing to dismantle their own personal security detail. I think that tells you quite a lot. The look I start on this in the J where Jordan started. There is always a political opportunity cost to consider and there is currently J there is an unprecedented amount of consensus on the need for underlying reform on this issue. That is a political opportunity for progress. The vast majority of Americans will acknowledge the pain of our friends and neighbors who are hurting and they want to add to help address of the source of that payment J in Washington DC the reflex of the political left is always to run to the far left of these catastrophic proposals I would associate myself with Prof. Hutchison's comments about who would be the most impacted, it would be the most vulnerable it's it's a tremendous overreaction and it would make things worse about J, just as Americans of all political stripes are Reppert recognizing the need for reform.

Every American ought to be able to's clearly speak to the fact that this particular policy proposal would actually make the problem worse.

And here's the worst thing J it would also cloud out the consensus that is forming are in Washington DC on the need for reform that will go away J and the reform won't happen if the focus is here.

So I want to go to Prof. Hutchison on the so Harry only anybody that's looked at the situation objectively could argue that this is not a situation where reform is necessary because it happens too often and when you watch that sickening video of that officer putting his neck coming to kill the guy. That's what it was bituminous boy, that's what was and people standing around including other officer. Some of his officers were only on the active force for three or four days and now they been accused of at least the accomplices to murder. But I want to talk about the deeper issue, which is how do we how do we get through the American psyche that there is a need for real reform within Police Department replaced one of the police department get it right, but a general understanding of how we protect our citizens. While the police still protect the citizens in their official capacity. In other words, how's what's the way forward here for the American people and for these local communities and brilliant question. I would start first with an understanding of underlying facts beyond question that we should hold out accountable including barracks children of the officer who essentially coupled to workflow with. On the other hand, we should also note that that were ultimately 27. Police involved shooting individuals in 2019, down from 70 during the second to last year of the Obama industry in 2015. So yes there still a problem that officers must indeed be held accountable not transform the entire Police Department and an extreme gold state because we have it yet how all police officers at work.

I have accountable believed. Despite that fact should be first and foremost in our mind, but which can also note an African-American economist at Harvard, noted that there is what can go wrong when police officers pulled back from the vulnerable in their neighborhoods. He'd cashed out that when cops pulled back.

Beside me, black lives matter, then pulling back the bleach is simply one of the best way. Unfortunately, the homicide hole vulnerable minority community. So he looked at us and let that happen to collect data, and in Baltimore and the evidence it crystal clear homicide gone up other crimes have exploded in these areas and in the most vulnerable economic resources delete that got a second half hour of Jay Sekulow live coming up next you will enjoy this got a lot of call calls questions comments were ready to answer will start doing that right we come back this break provide your full right now but typically when just opened up. Give us a call 1-800-684-3110 that's 1-800-684-3110. Your thoughts or comments. With this, like in your commute are you in LA are you in Minneapolis and having to deal with this potentially defunding of the police will talk about that we come back for decades. ACLJ is been on the frontlines protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side.

If you're already a member. Thank you. If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us, ACLJ.org, where you can learn more about our life-changing work, member today ACLJ live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow and secular Jay Sekulow like Jordan said here let me just to set the stage here what's going on right now. The cut this move to defund the police.

It's become a popular rallying cry for celebrities for politicians for leftist activists on Sunday. Just last night denied members of the Minneapolis city Council city were George Ford died pledged to quote begin the process of ending that defunding but ending the Minneapolis Police Department. The calls for dismantling the city police are perhaps the loudest from city councilmember Jeremiah Ellis. It happens to be the son of the Atty. Gen. of any Minnesota Keith Ellison younger Ellis. It is said that after taking apart the Police Department were not simply got a glue back together. So this is it just reforming the police department.

It's destroying the Police Department weird going to dramatically rethink how we approach public safety and emergency response. It's really past due.

Important to note the younger Ellison previously tweeted during the riots. I hereby declare officially my support Fred teeth so that's the guy who's going to be leading the charge to reform what public security looks like in these areas. In Minneapolis on Sunday. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced a plan to repurpose buddy from law enforcement and said the to other avenues. The Los Angeles mayor got a bit more specific, he said he will plan to cut up to $150 million for the LAPD's city Police Department and redistribute the body to communities of color.

How he's going to do that and what he's distributed money for is not clear, we see the same kind of moves to defied in Chicago, Portland, Washington DC, and others. This is comes a time when we had police officers police officer Las Vegas at the head lease of New York and New Jersey injured by bricks and rocks. What stabbed in Los Angeles in the neck Los Angeles. What officer suffered a fractured skull and officers and other cities suffered injuries in hit-and-run accident that led from these riots doubt if defied the police out if they are this forte calls if Joe Biden gets too close to this or others. This because you never know what to become out of his mouth. This would be district at this is even worse is had a basket deplorable stop at the 10 to 15% of Americans just bad which is 50 million people that touch. Of course Mr. incarceration himself, Joe Biden, but now is get a say that we want to defied the police. That is where his party is trying to push it yeah absolutely Jordan it would be catastrophic for my luck I would I would point people to what happened in Minneapolis. The situation you just described, where the mayor of Minneapolis was actually in front of the other protesters. The demonstrators and and Jordan. He agrees with them on about 90 to 95% of their policy proposals. He is he is a very far left elected official, but he would not go so far as saying that he's for abolishing abolishing the police what happened there. Jordan.

They jeered and yelled and chased him out of the protest luck if you think that is a recipe for political success at the ballot box than you got a different thing coming. If, if that is where the party pulls Joe Biden Jordan, I can II can list you a list of states that this long as my arm and I'm sure you can do that. He is going to have a very difficult time carrying because those might sound like good soundbites, but the people in those communities. Jordan.

They know what Harry articulated so well the first call that they make when there's a need is to that Police Department that will be abolished.

If these policies are enacted that I do not want to live in a community that has no place. No one does. In reality, and in Jordan. These people that are calling for this there making political state they are not going to be able to do this. This is not the reality of what is going to happen where they can put the sky was a school patrol. Remember the heartfelt school patrol in charge of this answers no of course not that this is politics we want to do is explain to everybody the reality of what's happening protect agree with the protesters when there saying we need reform because I think everybody attacked the lease like this.

The entire Police Department because of rogue actors is a big mistake public security is likely red cities have not survived a single day of the police right is this the deferred season bird stores and see what happens with these rights is out of the writeback restart take those calls, the challenges facing Americans are substantial time and are now in our freedoms, our constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stand with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades ACLJ has been on the frontlines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do her work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms then remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you. And if you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us. ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing work, member today ACLJ only one.

A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission life will show you how you are personally support the publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist the ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the end what Obama care means to the prone life in many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right question for economy mission life today online ACLJ/phone calls, one 800 684 31 TJ called in from Kansas online to welcome back to Jay Sekulow live Jake euro the air Jordan. So my question is, law or slaughter your preservative or the probable cause affidavit swearing on newly appointed certified it a display of the Minneapolis Police Department out of the ever get that done in the quartet he ever get a war you ever get anything court system US the coarseness the critical questions of this whole idea about defunding the police department was when Andy was talking about and and and getting one of them makes absolutely no sense.

Zero. I want to say perfect. Thank you for your service to our country into your community because I most police officers spoke to a really great job. We know that, so let's not. Let's not paint with his broad brush, but you raise a really good question.

A very serious question and that is if in fact the police office by the police department was disbanded.

How do you do probable cause, arrest, what if there's domestic violence who comes to the rescue of the person that the victim of the domestic violence if there's a juvenile situation where a minors in harm's way when you call here private security guards. You can't do that so I think that there making Jamie AGI Jake a political statement without thinking of the real consequences in any when I think about that and you talk about what law enforcement actually does. I made the statement you know you can have a school crossing patrol handle these things now. You are absolutely right.

This is a dangerous, counterproductive and very irrational move. For example, the caller said he's got to sign warns her affidavit for search warrant to do that anymore.

Who is going to come in since I make a probable cause affidavit before a magistrate that a burglary is been committed within an arm robbery is been committed or that a child is being sexually assaulted by his guardian or his parent or the wife is being beaten by her husband who is going to handle those things. Are we going to be just a lawless society with guns and ammunition protecting our house. Do I have to go out and hire a prior my own vigilante force to guard my house because of fear that there is no police to come to my rescue.

If something happens that is not in the same thing J is this is no longer a call when you hear define the police to think this is from the fringes of the far left and no one else. This is no longer just a call from the far left. It has gone from a radical slogan and this is the fear that I have, to the actual policy of major American cities, Los Angeles, New York, Minneapolis, and others are actually saying.

Do away with those officers who enforce the law, do away with the, the safety net that you go to when your deep distress and as I said before, when you are being beaten up and assaulted, are you gonna call a protester to come and help you.

Are you going to say police help police I know which I'm going to say SKU basis is one 800 684 31 to Gladys house with a lot of thoughts and comments on this Lucy in New Jersey online for this hits home to her Lucy. Welcome to Jay Sekulow live your on the air felt like hell all the blood I think what he's doing is trying to borrow his extreme budget on the backs of those wonderful, clean Muslim women that serve the NP arm. I'm worried about their mental psyche like I know are working for publishing with no days off and landing and in helping them cope and train and I know that she can take all that away carry walking with a major city.

Why is that the current home to destroy our country club at the time to clear the policeman who you raise a really interesting point. Lucy and Jordan. As you know in a minute. Go to join the Harry on this and and maybe next anti-China. So the police departments in major cities have counterterrorism units and Minneapolis insurer has a counterterrorism is I unit you know that you, the idea that you would close down these departments.

Jordan, what are you putting in its place and what you do with the counterterrorism units which are really in coordination with the federal government kind of the first line of defense on terrorism yeah I this international and domestic. This is why is so much more complicated than even I get to be the hapless city Council is moving forward like this. And they're not considering any of it I beat counterterrorism unit. SWAT teams helicopters forces and you know specialized police forces were not schools that we back and have any police officers disclosed as ordinary yet so like were most kids go to school now.

My grandkids and concluded there. There are place and I think that's I look at that is a real positive Harry. You raise the issue earlier that the real harm here is going to be to these communities is unfortunate the communities that have had the police brutality to speak the police abuse.

But when you deep on the police hurt or dismantle a Police Department. It really impacts that community directly and certainly I have lived through that I was in Detroit during the lie it in the 60s entire wall of the city were decimated. People moved out if they could, and it left the most vulnerable at even more left of the robbery, homicide, and the like, and so will what were talking about when we deep on the police were essentially agreeing to more crime, more violence, more homicides, particularly for members of minority communities. Second, it means just in terms of economic terms. Housing values in many areas should fall as criminals now have an incentive to ramp up their criminal activity with impunity and this exposes vulnerable populations to even more risk. And third, it means that criminals who are wishing to increase their return on investment from an economic terms, they will consider relocating to Minneapolis or the southern city and we should also note that this move could be on its push by celebrities including John Legend and Jane Fonda and the question really becomes, are they willing to give up their private security personnel are they willing to move out of Beverly Hills, California or some other wealthy area into the inner cities of Los Angeles and exposed their own lives to rest and I think the answer is no. So this has become highly politicized, and lastly I would suggest that what individuals in Minneapolis and other places are likely to do is to put their house up for sale and move x-ray can blot again I said earlier that simply means that the most vulnerable among us. They will be exposed to higher crime rates higher homicide rates and that would be the bottom line is trying to get a copy for the spring 2064 3110 K in New Hampshire on my 5K welcome to Jay Sekulow live your of the year. Thank you very much and I appreciate you taking my call and I thought quickly and get to the point that I wanted to make the life of the federal officer and a sister-in-law of the retired chief of police or large city at night and my husband nor my brother-in-law ever engaged, and in any kind of abuse of authority and would never stand by and allow another fellow officer to take the life of another human being, even if they were suspect are not. That being said, myself being the wife and sister-in-law to officers at the same federal level.

I have had to endure and instill enduring along with my husband and kids the wrath of the retaliation for my reporting stocking of our residents, and a friend of the creepy male who had a buddy heart on his Facebook page was telling females that take their clothes off.

Unfortunately the girl that was driving the car her dad with the firemen in front of the local PD that day.

We have been detained. I have been detained for walking against traffic that had an officer with his hand on his guns that you're getting a writer getting you think you're getting retribution retaliation. So there is any really quickly. There's laws on retaliation definitely is. We don't allow this retaliation for people who cooperate and assist the police and you should go to your district attorney, or to your local law enforcement if it exists in your community anymore and hasn't been abolished and tell them that that there is retaliation against you for the fact that you are associated and affiliated with law enforcement will allow that we don't stand for that dose certainly should not the United States of America were not too good to point out what we have done wrong, but we've had flaws with other throughout our history fitted a self-correcting process throughout the founding of our country and in the George Floyd matters of different but way to correct it is not to just abolish everything and have no police and no extra training those officers always stay up to speed ACLJ.R, we had a lot of calls to take. We come back and comments.

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The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you. If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us. ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing work, become a member today ACLJ if it wasn't so scary is reading through that you hear some of the ideas they have two abolish the police and surveyors like New York so no more traffic stops which every there's various reasons do that for us as if it's a stolen vehicle suspected drugs spec speeding just use these to street outreach teams replacing place of vigilante justice.

People who get to make up their mind about who is bad and who is not, and that if you believe Job I that's very scary because 50 million Americans are very bad people.

So oh I don't know if I want that that to be done goes even further, though sex workers unionized burglar get this what data I would love to get dad Harry Eddie's comment on the other two burglaries resolved by restorative justice.table that means don't prosecute state, would you give us the documents back when you give us they jewelry be so backward you give us the money you took from us back please because that way we can avoid the court costs quickly and that that I want to get to called Andy your reaction to restorative you know when you have a bank robber and he comes in he pulls a gun and again he robbed a bank of $50,000. We don't prosecute them will have a police officer there. We don't try to take him into custody. We say I'll tell you what we will forget all about the bank robbery the danger that you put the tellers in the danger that you put the bank personnel and just give the money back and will let you go to the next bank. That's how ridiculous a system like that would be. I had a bank robber once and he actually threw his lawyer said I will if you if you give.

We give the money back when you forget it and I said are you crazy well I think Andy is absolutely correct. All this proposal would do in terms of defunding the police and let's call it restorative justice. Basically all we are doing is we are incentivizing more chronic, particularly as I said earlier in vulnerable areas and so if you live in Beverly Hills. If you live in the Northwest part of Washington DC and you're surrounded by security teams like former Pres. Obama. This is absolutely wonderful as a thought experiment, but the reality is quite different.

Let's get your let's go ahead to James Guzman home from Jay Leno, Ludwig Jamie takes hold dear the air guys that could have a double whammy here. I had an experience that that place officer Mike had been transferred back to Oklahoma with his company's marketing extremely long hours and so he was using my vehicle and I got a call that, like one in the morning and now he would not break our wagon down to the tree.

Now he felt why he was very hurt that I got there and I start talking to the placement and placement literally jumped on me telling me to shut up and said that he was going to take me to jail. So I turned around I said I'd like to speak with your supervisor and healing. I mean he knows good notes with me and placed officers County man back off. Well, you know you I had. I've had not. That experience, but I've had, you know there's been some odd ones. I would salmon go to Andy on this, but I got some odd ones like being stopped once and for Virginia Beach for go. I'm not kidding you folks going 26 miles an hour in a 15 mile an hour zone now I don't even know how you drive a car 50 miles an hour but okay and you would've thought this was dirt right after 9/11. I want to say I would never say it gets respectful instead of stopping me. How about catching the terrace when that be a little bit better use of bonds, but iron I'm never disrespectful back to the officer. The officer says the problem is with these officers have done in in these black communities. Not good, not all of them not most of them but enough that it's causing a problem is the belligerence from the officer they have to undertaking you could be very respectful week even in a situation that's highly charged and that's where the training of police officers and consequences if they violated any have to commit and you take in those cases, yet that's exactly right consequence and training not for defunding the police. I am for quadrupling the budgets of the police and using that money to train them in situations such as the one that the caller mentioned you don't get in somebody's face you're always polite and courteous and the other officers he mentioned said hey back off and that is the correct reaction, but is training training training, teaching people how to react in situations that are potentially volatile and that's what we need to do not abolish and do away with the police and have private security forces that each person's house, but train them how to react to volatile situations and teach them how to react instead of putting on neck knee on somebody's neck and when they're gasping for breath and saying it let me go yonder let him go.

But those are the kinds of things is going to be bad apples in any organization J I've seen this in police departments throughout the state where I practice law, but that is the mind nor a D. It really is. It is not the majority of people in law enforcement.

Let's say Jason's call Jason Oregon online 3G sedation hold on your own there even consider what would happen with my little one called and paramedic school that police covering on a hotspot is a situation that has cinnamon vulnerable and what I think will like that happened. This is the biggest concern.

If you actually enacted something like Minneapolis is doing. What about all the services that also we pay for their taxpayer dollars to use emergency services. Whether it's the ambulances, EMS, fire departments that they rely on police. Everyone knows that whose first there is the firetrucks of the police fired is the police with the ambulance there.

There to protect the those who are performing those Abernethy duties, but also in case things get out of control exactly right.

I want to go to Harry on this because I will close with this and and that's the impact that this will Harry I was little, look at the empirical data. What's the evidence to show where does this go, what is the impact on the move like this in Minneapolis.

What is the impact of that on the communities there. Well, I think we will likely need more more succulent perhaps even less support for a law and order, and most poignantly, we are likely to see sadly a lie in domestic violence. So if you look at the data you will find.

For instance, when there is a shooting involving police officers are often comes up the mastic violent situation. So for instance you have a spouse who is engaged in domestic violence could have a call in many F who's there to protect the individual vulnerable, which sometimes include children and so I think one of the things about Minneapolis and some of these other there is no thinking involved and the other thing that cities couldn't do other than defunding the police and they probably should actually increase funding is considered to reconsider their agreements with police officer right folks for decades ACLJ has been on the frontlines protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side.

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