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Andrew McCabe Accuses Rosenstein of Perjury

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Andrew McCabe Accuses Rosenstein of Perjury. We discuss this and more on today's show.

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Jay Sekulow line McKay accuses Rosenstein of perjury for the United States to live from Washington DC was really there.

There is another wasn't remember her saying this. This is brought Rosenstein the number two guy at the Justice Department, the guy who at the time was was acting Atty. Gen. phone lines are open for your questions right now. Call 1-800-684-3110 Rosenstein did the easy thing is that something is digging this and figure out what actually happened is is all just put the Bob Muller and Bob then became the special counsel investigation then became the insurance policy because then they knew they had two years of this investigation two years farther out where they could cover up all the things that took place at the highest levels of the FBI with with McCabe and Baker struck impatient and call me, and now your home. Jordan secular Jay Sekulow Liber take your calls 164 30. What pictures your the broadcast yesterday the hearing was still going on with Rod Rosenstein. The issues that some of you asked about the 25th amendment that came up at the hearing and Rod Rosenstein's response or did you have to listen very closely to him he does not even statements that sound like you say yes or no. But with explanation. If you actually if you listen like that step closer. There's always something kinda hanging out there. He was also press the statement from Andrew became literally advocate said Rod Rosenstein is guilty of giving quote false testimony is a Robinsons under oath yesterday. He's been accused of a crime. Now, by Eddie McKay and edit it specific in reference to about that timeline about did he know about the Kobe bimbos of the leak of those memos. Why was Andrew became more forthcoming their ads. It didn't Rod mostly responded to that as well. When we I want to play this every body and endless list. Do it now to set everything up. This is the exchange rock that Sen. Graham read to Rod Rosenstein what Andrew became had accused above at the very end of the hearing and they let Rod Rosenstein respond.

Take a listen.

You are right, and more right, I will come back to that that that was of the 25th amendment question. We will get to that as well. A later the broadcast 164, 31 to let me go first to any kind was with us and Eddie. The issue specifically advocate who we all there was. We have a Discussion about is to get to be silent.

This guy is also suing to get his pictures back when you try to claim the fifth was accusing people of crimes out of the US attorney not even just that the city staff, which I think has an absolute right right to to subpoena him to testify that because he put himself in the middle of it by making a new statement accusing their their latest witness was under oath of false testimony, but US attorney have deftly released to it. Oh, I definitely want to hear what he has to say. I don't know is to not take the fifth of I was him and shut my mouth and wouldn't say anything further.

Although you may have waived your right to assert the Fifth Amendment. Having made a statement that Rosenstein lied, but McKay you know has a lot of internal fortitude making the statement, of all people that Rosenstein provided false testimony, considering what he did in his role in the entire investigation in the entire matter, so this is the rats are turning on each other right now as I see it let me go to stand in Washington DC because they the committee is meeting yet again. Right now they don't have a witness before that they are debating and discussing at say the subpoena power as sitter grandma seeking is the chairman to issue these up to 53 is what we know about Smith Bay public so far that these 53 individuals involved in this but obvious of this pushback from Democrats, which is very telling to me they loved having Rod Rosenstein before the these last few years, but now all the sudden he's not. He's not so fun to have testified when he said he would've signed the Pfizer if he knew this information McCabe and now you got a back-and-forth I think of your Democrat. That is great that Andrew became just accused a lie because now you got another back-and-forth to deal with Will and Rod Rosenstein still might get a subpoena out of this.

Interestingly enough the Jordan. The Democrats said they wanted to call the special counsel Bob Muller and Jeremy Graham said okay I'll call him, but you might want to think twice about that you really want to have him come before us again because he did that once and it didn't go too well for you.

Jordan if they want to call and I think chairman would right folks within let's talk about what 100 684 30 want to talk to us on the air. That's one 800 684110V) challenges facing Americans for substantial time and are now free to sort constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice on the frontlines projecting your freedoms and rights. Courts in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do our work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms that remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you for your thoughts. Well, this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ God where you can learn more about her life changing, member today ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn life will show you how you are personally publication includes all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the Obama care means many ways your membership is empowering the right question for copy mission in life today online ACLJ/Jay Sekulow like this Jordan secular. We are take your phone calls, 1-800-684-3110 at 2064 3110 questions or comments because we were on the air yesterday and the hearing was still ongoing. Now there were key points that we we we learned right off the bat Rod Rosenstein try to say that he actually would've signed the FISA renewal on Carter page.

He said that immediately. It was like were the first questions he was asked he said immediately. If he knew what we all know now which means if there would've been a special counsel but yet he was still trying to defend a lot of the work of the special counsel that he said he agrees that there was no collusion and that special counsel agrees that there there was that he believes there is no obstruction either. And looking back if he actually believes he would've signed off on that Pfizer. There would've been no special counsel the first place.

So it's very complicated.

You have people like Sen. Cruz, sitter Holly and others really questioning Rosenstiel how are you saying you're not responsible for any of this when you say that you wanted done this but you didn't even read the documents you asked the question is either gross negligence or intentional. That is pretty scary to believe there could be intentional but we know one step down from Rod Rosenstein.

If you looking at the flowchart it was intentional. I beheading to be.

That's where you see any became with knee-jerk reactions to this testimony would honestly there somebody things go the country is setting to give the same competition, but by him stepping in and accusing Rosenstein of lying, of perjuring himself of misleading the committee of making false test about small statements that is a serious allegation is a serious allegation you're making an allegation of perjury before the Congress of the United States before the United States Senate in your saying that he maybe gave false testimony to do someone with whom you work, and to whom you were responsible under the chain of command of these are serious allegations that could result in someone being prosecuted for false statement and for other crimes that have been committed, but I think it shows the grand design here and that was to do anything they could to discredit the trump administration and both before and after the President exceeded to office by this hoax investigation of Robert Muller which let's not forget it was her acting Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein who set this into motion.

He is the one who appointed Muller as the special counsel he could have stopped that it any time, but he didn't choose to do that which elicited to the exchange so this happened after we were on the air. This is at the very end of the hearing, Rod Rosenstein was was he got a chance response to this McCabe allegation came out while Rosie was still under oath still testify.

The committee, Lindsay Graham reads Andrew became statement has roads to respond. Take a listen. This comes from Mr. McKay, Mr. Rosenstein's claims to have been misled the Navy or anyone from the FBI regarding our concerns about Pres. Tromp and the trump campaign's interactions with Russia are completely false. Mr. Rosenstein approved and suggested ways to enhance our investigation of the President. Further, I personally briefed Mr. Rosenstein on Jim Comey's memos describing his interactions with the President, mere days after Mr. Rosenstein wrote the memo firing Jim Comey Mr. Rosenstein's testimony is completely at odds with the factual record looks to be yet another sad attempt by the President and his command to rewrite the history of their actions.

In 2017. They have found a Mr. Rosenstein then and now a willing accessory in that effort. Would you like to respond yes thank you, Sen.

I think one thing you need to appreciate senators that that I had a very strong team working with the department of justice. I had some of the finest lawyers that I have ever met working with me at the Department of Justice. It was a team included trump appointees including career people ensure the Republicans and Democrats. And that's why I'm confident Sen. and what I did because I spoke with 19 Mr. McKay but in reliance, McCabe spoke with Mike King about the actions I was taking to make sure that they were appropriate. I did not say that Mr. McKay misled me that wasn't my words. I think he's responding to somebody's question what I said was he did not reveal the coming memos to me for a week and that is true, and he revealed them to me only a couple of hours before they showed up in the New York Times think about think about this so he comes back he says that he what he said was true. He did get were revealed him on the coping memos by Andrew became. He also tries to any dance around by saying what he was learning this from his staff right right so that everything is more complicated because it's like it's like a phone tag. At that point, or you just it's it's to be. He's trying to have it both ways in the guy just accused him of of lying to Congress under oath. I think he does the seriousness of that but he also knows any became is a known liar. He is a known liar and he lives can consistently but if I had made the statement and I was Rosenstein and I heard the statement that I had lied I would make a much stronger statement in response to that, in my view than what Rosenstein said all he said is that he's been he's got a strong team at the Justice Department trump appointees career people. Republicans, Democrats, and so forth. I would've said this is really an interesting thing coming from a known liar was Andrew McKay, a making the allegation that I'm alive, but it shows in my view, Jordan, that there are now beginning to turn against each other and really to come out with what ultimately, I think, is the fact in this case, and that is this investigation of the President headed by Abraham Lincoln of Robert Muller should never have commenced it should never have started and when they saw that there was no collusion and they knew that from the beginning it should have been stopped yet although the Fed, Robert Rose integrity. He's catalog military service that you know it's talk about that but there is a point in where you have to realize you don't have what it takes, whether it's age, whether that catches up to every body in life when it's time to step aside and he did that with that with FBI and he served for a long time the country but you come back you try to manage aggressive prosecutors you got just take a listen this over with Peter Strock at least a pager lead investigator from the FBI that bring about your team and I guess Rod Rosenstein is the one that had to tell Molly to get rid of. So he because I don't think even knew that they were there to be honest with you I think he he was not running running this note.

Don't just take my word for river.

His testimony when he could not even cite what that was in the report generically generically and everything was it was it was painful to watch, but that doesn't mean he's he's a great actor in this it means he let heat he was letting people take him along at something may not been up for an editor at the Rocky say no to these appointments but he was being heavily pressured by people like Rocco's estate to do it. Take a listen though to what Lindsay Graham said this is our bite number seven on my list and it's it's about one of those page Strock emails. Finally, on August 8, 2016, page says destruct is not ever going to be come present right Strock, no, no he won't.

It this is why we hear is that there was this there is I get this idea that from the core of this investigation from the core of its moving parts for the people who were overruling the overruling the field agents who said close and artfully there's nothing here is a crime here.

This is wrong. We did our investigation is nothing here that the DC and yet yet, Peter Strock, Lisa page clearly in these messages to each other say we we as the FBI are going to stop them with a successful. They were successful stop of the election, but did they have hamstring the first 3 1/2 years you had impeachments you had the ball investigation for the first years was Butler right into impeachment artist totally unrelated issue and now I think the finally I Congress is getting back to do is shop we was the seventh floor of the FBI. Jordan images per pretty plain and simple because we had the evidence now than January 4 memo from the Washington field office. This is were closing the investigation and the general plan then you had to meeting the very next day in the Oval Office where Jim Comey and Joe Biden were both Pres. and eventually the. The investigation was reopened by Peter Strock. He overruled the field office but Jordan, the really remarkable thing about the exchange between Rod Rosenstein and Andy McCabe to me was not so much the accusation of line. Yes, that's a very serious allegation, but any McCabe's own defense.

Jordan it was in itself an admission. I'm in here were the words Mr. Rosenstein approved and suggested ways to enhance what our investigation of the President. Further, I personally briefed Mr. Rosenstein on Jim Comey's memos Jordan. Let me translate for the listeners that translation is, I did it but we were all doing it including Rod Rod was doing it with us. We were all doing it. Jordan it's an admission of what we have said all along he's trying to defend himself by pointing the finger but right in his own words is the admission of what he was doing our folks over to your phone calls, 1-800-684-3110 your questions or comments for us are taking those we come back from this break 1-800-684-3110 member to share this on Facebook and periscope lot of folks watch on Facebook right now and we had over 10,000 people watch on Facebook right now share this with your friends and family click that share but we can increase those numbers bring more people into a discussion that honestly they're not really getting anywhere else and get click the share button and let me welcome MAK KLA. We are now for the full hour.

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But here's the bottom line we could not do more work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms that remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you, are not well this is the perfect time to stand with us. ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing work, member today ACLJ's on the year 1-800-684-3110 at 2006 843-1103 play for you. It will to get second half hours or so people get another chance is to go throughout two minutes will play again, we come back for the second broadcast but see Vardy C Andrew McCabe while the hearing was still ongoing, fairly impressive came out with a statement and this is somebody who is definitely the center of any US attorney investigation of this because he was that the became the highest ranking official at the FBI's acting FBI director is the deputy FBI director also in charge of this. So he said he's been involved in the very beginning, Peter Strock, Lisa page, reporting directly to him as a deputy FBI director. Then he accuses Rod Rosina of a providing false testimony member Rosenstein said he wasn't he was not candid with him.

He wasn't truthful with him. It was you and Chris. Rosie did ask direct questions and who he was talking to Rosenstein responded well maybe he thinks of talk about exchange with him and he did tell me about the memos but Good stat. It was a get is bizarre. The exchange even when you get a chance to respond to those allegations under oath live with the committee and in the hearing Washington DC but he was also asked about the 25th amendment issued it interesting enough to escape the sitter from Hawaii is a Democrat who I think was hoping this would make him squirm that he does.

He is a careful answer on it, but guys find out what Democrats hope to get take Alyssa because a lot of you asked about this, this is Rod. Rosie began to eat.

Was he part of some who attempt to suggest are secretly requiring President, not over hint at secretly recording present truck. I have never in any way suggested that the present time so they do want that! It was it was itchy to be any they wanted these direct statements, it is either hoping maybe on one of those he would say he would start squirming a little bit but he knew those were coming at some point in this hearing because everybody's been asking about that was interesting to me as he flatly denied the wire part that party was accessed by devils unequivocally spacing.

I never even discussed that on the other. He was very specific about the 25th amendment and he didn't use that in the discussion to talk about removing the present. Yeah hey he said I didn't know where we didn't talk about wearing a wire and I didn't ever talk about invoking the constitutional provisions of the 25th amendment, which allow the removal under certain circumstances the President from office, but he was very careful to limit himself to saying I didn't discuss the removal of the Pres. under the 25th amendment that didn't mean that there were not other ways. Other ways that he and his colleagues have been discussing the usurpation of the electorate and decision of the United people of the United States to elect the President to remove them in another fashion. And that's through the mother investigation and coming up with the hopes of collusion with the Russians so he was very equivocal.

He's a very smart and cagey guy Rosenstein you're not going to get him to to commit to anything and then Sen. Cruz and E had some very virulent exchanges between the two over the fact that he wouldn't answer them directly in the same thing with Sen. Holly from Missouri so he is a very cagey guy Rosenstein but he was a never really committed to saying I never discuss removal of the President under any circumstances under any statutes and under any laws. He does a limited himself to what Hirano asked and that was with respect to the 25th amendment.

I find that very interesting. So, the 25th amendment.

Of course, was adopted by the United States, the constitutional limit after JFK's assassination about how you could replace the President or vice President the case of death. Removal, resignation and Incapacitation, and so that that was that what he was being accused of an executive that it books he's been accusing that you publicly by people like Andy McCabe and and that they were having these had discussions, but said to me you know you having this this back-and-forth, but the fact that you we talk about an arrogant waiting McCabe respond to this that he wasn't forthcoming, yet he wasn't. He wasn't very candid with with Dragos that he was basically see what he was hiding things. Looking back at this now in any McCabe it respond by just saying I don't think that's correct or I think he was wrong in his recollection. He came right out and said it was false and he was under oath that he knows what that means.

As a former FBI director that's that's a serious allegation that that you can actually go to jail for Jan and the finger-pointing is begun. I don't think it's been a stop for a long time and then the couple things that we know unequivocally.

Jordan number one is that any McCabe already testified under oath under penalty of perjury that a lot of the information in the still of reporting was not validated.

Now what we don't know it's it's a he said he said right now is when the briefing between any McCabe and Rod Rosenstein took place. It depends which man you trust. I suggest there's reason may be to trust in neither. But to the conversation that you just had with Andy. I mean the plan that didn't go forward to undermine the President was the appointing of the special counsel and that was at the direction of Rod Rosenstein and he made a pretty stunning admission yesterday Jordan.

I mean, I know a lot of the headlines were about his defense of his friend Bob Moeller personally and defensive.

His decision to appoint him, but in the midst of that defense Jordan. He specifically admitted that there was no predicate to take him there.

That's a very key omission. I mean yeah he might say Bob Muller's a good man. You might say based on what I was reviewing I think I was still right to make that appointment Jordan by admitting there was no predicate to get there.

It should have never been a decision that was even on the table to make it a really stunning admission right at let let's call before the next rain was good sir with Pam in Michigan. All I want to hold on your the air about caring for sure I can talk about it coherently, but I'll try nothing but a dog and pony show.

We already know everything, that the repeat grant was not likely check. He had the power to do this year.

Eventually, years ago we had to wait and wait for the Howard Horowitz report, which came out a big God and I were sitting and waiting and waiting for the interim report we need to report we need to not this silly issue. Some reports we got used to that because we had Molinos special counsel and they felt like they needed to lay out there conclusions and they did it occur, and kind of in cohesive 2400+ pages two volumes and and lot a copy and pasting. You can tell considered structures don't even make sense and design.

Bob Muller never even read through it when it went, testified he had have an assistant next room just to figure out the page numbers of of what was in the report but but then on timing wise.

There were issues raised by the Inspector General there are issues raised by your say there's also this is just the opening salvo if you will. This was a witness who came, he was not under subpoena but was under oath, but now you got debate going on right now as we speak out. Let's answer that question we come back.

Why did take this time that we also had impeachment happened in the United States had a virus go on and you not to be. I get I think you can be frustrated people because of what happened with Moeller and what happened with the people of the pieces that you created is about Russia.

This country been through a lot because of Rod Rosenstein's decision advanced the ball rolling for the FBI at the site was a get hoodwinked is now saying it according special. I guess that's what you say much.

If you would agree with that or not is a public speech has found that there was any collusion but he knew that he could affect you at the beginning if you would've asked the FBI agents were actually investigating by Flynn, who said they should close the case will be right back for decades. ACLJ on the frontlines protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side. If you're already a member. Thank you. If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us, ACLJ.org, where you can learn more about our life-changing work, member today ACLJ live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow and secular Québec. Jay Sekulow second half hour, one 800 684 31 two that's what he hundred 683110 acres.

Two of those watch of Facebook periscope share this with your friends and family. I cooked that share but now thousand people watching. Utilizing face with her watch of the broadcast able to see the special videos are put together to during the breaks over on the air radio. I know most are listed by radio. Still, it that's great because it kcal eight you get that second half hour now. So welcome to all of you working the second half hour Jay Sekulow live right now and that this again we have a beautiful live one hour broadcast up. It's great to be live in the flower cake alae 6:54 PM and for those you get it LA area and in the surrounding area get that that signal we we are glad and excited that you get that second half hour now of the broadcast update. I want to give you opportunity to respect it is a good question for Pam people are frustrated out there.

They do wonder why did it take this to the judiciary committee this long text or call back. People like Rod Rosenstein add to it to move ahead with the subpoena power. You think it's a fair question to Jordan and it can be frustrating, but I think one of the key considerations and on and you know there there's no exact answer on how to get this right. But when you do proceed, you want to make sure that you get testimony that actually paints a clear picture and helps us understand and I would tell you two things. One, I think there is there is extraordinary value in getting the guy who both appointed the special counsel and signed off on the FISA applications to admit essentially that there is no predicate reader.

That's extraordinarily valuable. Why is because of the other 252 witnesses that the committee wants to question Jordan, when you think about Andy McCabe or Peter Strock or Lisa Paige or Joseph can't get coming before this committee. In light of this and telling them look the guy that signed off on all of this said he wouldn't have signed it if he had the information that all of you had now answered this question, did you give it to him or was he lying Jordan. All of a sudden those depositions are those interviews of those witnesses become a whole lot more valuable if they've just rush them out of the gate. So I agree with the caller partially there is some frustration, but once you get to then you have to be prepared to get value out of them. And yesterday its coronary value. The guy at the top said there was no predicate reader action right I folks I would play this for you. Again, I think is good time to do it for the second half hour now, I want to play forgets we know talking about because Rod Rose did still testify would enter the capos as it is giving false testimony. So, Lindsay Graham agreed what enter McCabe statements he is up to farrago's to respond to what you take a listen. This comes from Mr. McKay, Mr. Rosenstein's claims to have been misled the Navy or anyone from the FBI regarding our concerns about Pres. Tromp and the Trump campaign's interactions with Russia are completely false. Mr. Rosenstein approved and suggested ways to enhance our investigation of the Protestant. Further, I personally briefed Mr. Rosenstein on Jim Comey's memos describing his interactions with the President Mayor days after Mr. Rosenstein wrote the memo firing Jim Comey Mr. Rosenstein's testimony is completely at odds with the factual record looks to be yet another sad attempt by the President and his command to rewrite the history of their actions. In 2017. They have found Mr. Rosenstein then and now a willing accessory in that effort. Would you like to respond yes thank you, Sen. I think one thing you need to appreciate senators that I had a very strong team working with me. The department of justice. I had some of the finest lawyers that I have ever met working with me at the Department of Justice. It was a team included Trump appointees including career people ensure the Republicans and Democrats. And that's why I am confident Sen. and what I did because I spoke with 19 Mr. McKay but in reliance, McCabe spoke with Mike King about the actions I was taking to make sure that they were appropriate. I did not say that Mr. McKay misled me that wasn't my words. I think he's responding to somebody's question what I said was he did not reveal the coming memos to me for a week and that is true, and he revealed them to me only a couple of hours before they showed up in the New York Times.

Now we come back I'll play what Rodriguez would lead to this because it's important we played yesterday with support and with that extra context becausethey would.

He didn't say we all. We all which the legal definition is all he did say the advocate was being untruthful withholding information not being forthcoming. Not candid. Be right back. The challenges facing Americans or substantial time when our Valley freedom sword constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ on the frontlines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do more work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms that remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you for your thoughts.

Well, this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.where you can learn more about her life changing become a member today ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable and voiceless. Is there any hope for that culture to survive.

And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice defend the rights of life, we've created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission life will show you how you are personally Tatian includes a look at all major ACLJ cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activists ramifications. 40 years later, planned parenthood's role in the what Obama care means many ways your membership is empowering the right question for economy mission life today online ACLJ/this is what started this is all it should. We all wait for people to turn on each other and with date they start accusing each other being liars. False statements as enter McCabe off use the term accessory were to talk about that as well. He was specific to specific terms false testimony. Accessory false accessory he is is not as cagey.

I'd say or you note coming up with pride that we weasel out of everything. Truth be told Roberts he almost every answer was a double negative force like positive no yes no Ivy Weller was good but the predicate for bollards bad and his investigators were bad they were. They were part of said but this is what started this by enter McCabe responded, which was interesting because it puts him right back in the middle of take a list they think McCabe knew that. I hope not. Sen. I do not personally know was he in charge of the investigation, yes. What did he ever lie to you this McCabe. I don't believe Sen. that other indications which identify that he lied to me.

Okay.

Did he ever say anything. Looking back, that is perplexing to you.

Well, that's a very broad question Sen. I had a lot of County think he was truthful to you. Well I believe Sen. that Mr. McKay was not fully candid with me, certainly wasn't forthcoming. Okay, so the McCabe response back in the written statement and Andy we talked about the false part. Now let's get to that other terms.

He accuses Roberts a big seven accessory as well.

These are very legal, law enforcement type terms. Obviously, that carry more significant weight that Rod noticed he was willing to use with with David, even the enter McCabe. They really do carry a lot of significant legal implications and wait. First of all, he says he's one of the Trenton man to wanting to rewrite the history of their actions in 2017 and then this is the troubling statement troubling on the part events. I was Rosenstein or anybody looking at this.

They have found. This is McCabe talking in Mr. Rosenstein then and now a willing accessory in that effort.

You accessory is an accessory is a term we use in the criminal law to mean an aider and a better someone who aids councils procures is hard to and participates in the commission of a crime. That's an accessory like somebody who takes somebody who is fleeing a murder scene and hides them in his house so that the police will not apprehend him or gives a false statement about where evidence is or tries to conceal or hide evidence in a criminal case so that the person who perpetrated the crime is not implicated. That's an accessory. Words are charged with a real serious meaning when you say somebody is an accessory in an effort to do something you are saying.

From my perspective and I'm just a simple minded Georgia lawyer. But when you say accessory what you are saying is you are bringing in the whole panoply of the criminal law after this and you are saying that somebody committed a crime is an accessory to that crime. That's a very dangerous statement and was what amazes me Jordan is that Rosenstein's response to McCabe was so wishy-washy you've attended over the unity seat is here that that that one at the pause of the cabinet was like honey if you are in court and the nurse carefully thinking what he was trying to get a say I did.

He lied to you and then we way one to three, four, five, and then he comes up with nothing to say that he lied to me. He said he was not followed it down not fully candid and not forthcoming. Well let me tell you don't quite mince words in bandy terms like that around. He lied to use what he did and then you're trying to say that he was not fully candid and forthcoming.

Then McCabe comes back the next hour that that afternoon and says well I'll tell you what he did Rosenstein. He provided false testimony. So a Rosenstein was wishy-washy McCabe of all people of all people. The liar says that Rosenstein provided false testimony.

Let me let me write a 30 minute washer to see because they what your reaction is also celebrity series usually would soon become great at the Estes pretty direct questions and if you're already good at deciding your head you can say this about enter McCabe. It was a truthful and you note that candid is not forthcoming.

You would think that that could be a more immediate response. But he was absent, try to craft that it is head of before he responded but so you see a lot. Here's a gap there's also some breaking news on this with the Senate Homeland security can basis a separate committee eventually take an additional step to bring witnesses for yesterday just one thing before that you're not just_what Andy said to me that the direct words for Mandy McCabe is that Rod Rosenstein approved of and suggested ways to enhance the investigations adorn. I would expect that will be question one when any McCabe comes before that the committee do you have evidence to show the right rod Rosenstein did actually suggest ways to enhance that investigation.

But you're right, Jordan, the Senate Homeland see a security committee just now voted by a vote of 8 to 6 to authorize subpoenas in this case of the scope will be a little bit narrower than in the Senate Judiciary Committee, Jordan, but they will go to the FBI to the State Department to the Odeon I for the first steel dossier documents.

They were also request testimony from James Comey, John Brennan, Samantha power ambassador Bryce Sidney Blumenthal, James Klapper and other. So Jordan again its pieces to the puzzle when you had this many committees with subpoena power.

Looking at it and you have all these witnesses trying to point the fingers that each other a Jordan. The picture will start to become more clear. So glad that by the second committee is in on the action your particular cause or comments or questions at 1-800-684-3110 at 2000 684311 Jackie let you know I think that if called.

Now you get through 1-800-684-3110 Barry Marilyn online three very welcome to Jay Sekulow live. You're on the air feel like crying all the time so grateful for what you're doing for the wonderful night and deals with people in there are still people that are aware of what was going on and actually working toward the goal of getting that of the President, which she handed not doing and I was wondering if someone is not much aware and they are sort of on the team as they implicated also.

It's probably more likely like stages with you that list of executive branch officials from the Obama ministration people that would've had direct access to the Intel receipt, Nancy Pelosi, can you get access to publishers that have the power like unmask she would not have that ability to get the ball rolling to get started. She's a partisan actor.

But remember, the impeachment was out about this vanity that we have provided we been through a lot as a country in just 2020.

But we have to remind people that that the partisan impeachment vote by the house was out about Russia.

It was about a phone call with the Ukrainian Pres. is because they didn't find anything in the mouth investigation Jordan. So they had to find something else to impeach, because that was the plan beforehand that they would have an impeachment proceeding. When the molar investigation came up with nothing. They had to go with something else. I would say this to the caller. Look I I'm all about holding the article one branch accountable.

I think Speaker Pelosi.

The Senate intelligence committee and others should be held accountable Jordan. What I would say is this guy think the committees with jurisdiction over power is sober. Is this the power to survey all American citizens. Those committees need to be more vigilant and I would specifically look at the house Intel committee and the Senate Intel committee once run by Democrats ones run by Republicans Jordan. They would've had more information about this FISA process.

I don't think they did a good good enough job pursuing and to appoint you've made many times. Guess whose responsibility it is to make sure that the changes are made. The reforms that happen that it doesn't happen again is those two committees. It is the United States Congress and quite frankly Jordan. These powers, they shouldn't be reauthorized until those reforms are made.

Let me let me let you earlier to Atty. Gen. bars addressing the country right now.

A press conference and an he is discussing both the civil rights investigation ongoing and it into what occurred with George Ford, which is at the federal level. You can look at and and he's also laying out that they have evidence of NT for and foreign actors.

This is this is key because he say they have evidence now that both NT 4.0 and foreign actors are called hijacking the peaceful parts of the protest for an extremist agenda since the Atty. Gen. of the United States coming right out because this media narrative all everything is about these peaceful protests, but diluting it all that we don't allege it. That's part of some leftist group and he sassing them evidence.

This foreign actors involved. Atif involved and at to see I meet. I think it right to see that these other countries are enjoying this. Unfortunately, our adversaries, those that we don't want to interfere. Whether it's Russians or Chinese government or others to see the chaos of the streets. The nine states that is occurring right now as we speak with the Atty. Gen. of the United States is quote get evidence that Atif and other extremist groups have investigated violent instigated violent activity, so officials used to were still watching course carefully there. There's cities across the country that we know are dealing with extremely difficult situations. And there's the debates raging about Presidential power.

Try to put that to rest.

You cannot like it like it but guess what the President has the power to do that these it is that I get to just have her turtle barred out FBI director Ray is speaking to this as well how we can discuss that if your question at that what hundred 684-3110 in the final segment, the show today 1-800-684-3110 if you're getting the flower now. Okay Kele will welcome everybody the evening I 6:54 PM not give a full hour of Jay Sekulow live.

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This press conference with Atty. Gen. bar and FBI director Chris Ray. This is on the writer so I report. I think it poured actors that the FBI and the department just to state that believe you did say they have evidence that it's it's not even just NT for eye which is a is by the way, is it international group, but that there's foreign actors involved in court hijacking the protest for extremist agenda and it is also an estimate 51 arrests for violent federal crimes that have been occurring during these rights is interesting.

I think it's also this idea media is got a lot of this wrong and so is just because it happens in real time. It had reported what they think is happening and even if you give him credit credit if we can credit for that. But ultimately the problems they have been correcting a lot of their misstatements. So this idea of the insurrection act me. The truth is it doesn't really matter what, a former Sec. fits takes about is the law of the land and so maybe he should be asked after he does constitutional law and he reads a lot of books.

That's wonderful, but there some pretty clear laws that give the present.

This power does it mean you would necessarily use that all the time. Obviously it's it's a it's a subsidy use with all you have to, but I think there was a cop stabbed in the neck last night in New York City in front of everybody.

This is right in the media. This is what you see this what reporters are seeing happen to this is what's what were seeing you think that were seeing everything in New York they don't have enough cameras to do that. They don't helicopters covered.

This is got on and on and on. New York is like a failed state in the international sense to be a decent talk at this for a minute because we write back the phone calls 164 30.

What did you like what's happening that you see what's happening place like Atlanta sub kind of been the ebb and flow, but Scott back again to these two really violent acts seeing people using what was referred to as weapons of mass destruction in Philadelphia to blow up or tip to blubber so I killed themselves doing it in ATM.

These are reprehensible acts that I see across the country every night, night after night after night, and I know the citizens and our listeners are asking the question when is this going to be over. And how is it going going to be over and I think the President is got a very difficult decision to make.

And that is ultimately if the local law enforcement agencies. That is to say, the National Guard localized by the governors of the states if the governors of the states if the mayors cannot quell these insurrections, then perhaps the President should invoke the insurrection act of 1807 and that's right I said 1807, which you in the previous broadcasts have indicated Jordan many times it has been invoked by JFK.

It was invoke it was invoked as late as 1992 in the Rodney King riots. But we've got to bring peace and order to the United States. We cannot have windows being correct. What is the connection I want to know. Between crashing a window at Phipps Plaza in Atlanta, Georgia, and taking out Gucci gowns and the death the murder if you will of George Floyd in Minneapolis. What is the nexus what is the connection.

What is how is what happens in Atlanta at two major shopping centers that I personally know of have got to do with the vicious and senseless murder of a citizen in Minneapolis Minnesota. How does that bring justice to the cause that is being sought here. It does not is the answer to the question, not at all our folks every it to. To quote the original bar to see exactly said. He said quote we are also seeing foreign actors playing all sides to exploit the violence and it's whether through social media and through just getting whether it's news about hey let's start this or if it's folding it is fake news out there to putting this out to try and add that this encourage chaos basically encourage chaos by doing. Take the phone calls we got committed to before I was finished broadcast today and and give her the steps be on all these issues we go through so that press conference and see what happens throughout the whole day a lot happening.

Days now, but before the broadcast. Mars well let's go to Jack in Ohio online while Jack welcome to Jay Sekulow live by what I was curious about is are there any Democrats in the Congress or Senate that are interested in what happened to trump the spine got started, how unjust it was there anybody supporting this is good for you in the sentence it you know they love to breathe these folks before before it seem like the kind of relish these opportunities to talk about Russia all day and night on television until the narrative changed yet.

No doubt about it, you're naming I would tell you there are a couple of members.

Maybe Pat Lahey in the Senate.

Maybe Zoe Lofgren in the house who are at least for some of these FISA reforms and they've been verbal about it, but I gotta tell you, Jordan. If you dig just a little bit later deeper there. The determination to do it is just not very resolute, and I'll give you an example. Today during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. There was an attempt to try to kind of call chairman Graham's bluff and I mentioned this earlier, but Democrats that you pretend that you want to get to the bottom of all this and call these 53 individuals we got 10 or 12 witnesses that we like to call to and working to start with the special counsel Bob Muller and Lindsey Graham said okay will issue subpoenas for them as well and they backed off.

They said no. We week. We were just speaking rhetorically right. So Jordan I mean I would tell you that their actions don't back up their words. They say they're interested, but when chairman Graham's as will do it. They back off the lassie they want is Bob Butler testifying to give the man the babies had time to read this report out that I suspect he is not that that here was but it was it was sad to see. They thought that was to be.

Remember, they thought that was pretty great for the they thought he was can amplify a message that wasn't in the report that they could maybe get it to go further than the import of this and that it was all the news was posted.

The guy literally did not know what was on page 1 so yeah anything so that's it you call their bluff right now. Enough is enough. They get to the bottom of John in Texas online to final call the day John, welcome to Jay Sekulow life. They sold. Do you think that investigation could somehow overlap in the durum workbench which is like another load if he started to come the conclusion and landed in they find out the news.I heard this might go on through to October but I heard that Durham might wrap up in a few months with your thoughtful back in a few months is also October, so I think that at this point if you can get people testified publicly, and they start accusing each other lie.

That's not bad for US attorney not good be good. I would love to see if I was the United States attorney and I was conducting what Durham's investigation is all about. I would love to just watch from the sidelines. What is happening in the Senate Judiciary Committee with respect to these 53 or 56 or however many subpoenas that are issued and I would love to see if the evidence that I have gathered through my FBI investigations and grand jury subpoenas matches up with what is happening in the Senate is just more fodder for my investigation, but again it takes time and it's not anything that's going to happen quickly. I trust and hope to see something by October. Certainly I hope to see it before the end of the year, God forbid that there is a new administration in Washington and this all comes tumbling down. That could happen. Jordan right folks really get. I explained that since it happens either in the Cepeda issue at this hotel. It we will probably come back okay sure as heck pump: Québec. This writer's writer's incident.

I this is this it liberates getting to their friends. Politicians are being implicated now on the other side. Why was Pres. Obama gave a brief everybody wanted Susan Rice said that email final day after Pres. troubles even supported in office, but elastic she did everything with that, by the book.

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