Dash Town: Colton Owczarzak | Iron Varsity

Hey, welcome in folks to another edition of Dashtown.

I'm excited about this. It's actually been a while since I've sat down with a local business owner, talk about their business, kind of expose folks in and around Fuquay, which of course, Fuquavarina's logo, motto is a dash more. We've got a dash more here, folks, and that's what Dashtown is all about, kind of introducing those local businesses that we have here in Fuquavarina to you. So I'd like to welcome in, in that effort, Dr. Colton Ozorzak with Iron Varsity PT. Welcome in. Hi, good to be here. Thank you for having me. So glad to have you. Now we are a part of the same business networking group, which is how I came across you, but also you've actually worked on my son.

So trusted my most important, you know, not possession, but yeah, most important thing to you and your care. Took great care of him. Great follow up. So just before we even get going on what you do and what PT is all about and how people are maybe injuring themselves that leads them to you and then how you help them recover. Like a personal testimony, Dr. Colton is fantastic. Educational, the follow up. So enough talking from me, Dr. Colton, tell us a little bit about yourself, your practice, what you do.

Most definitely. So I graduated 2022. So not too long ago, relatively young new clinician in the area.

Found myself starting my own practice called Iron Varsity and it's a faith-based practice. I noticed the 2717. I actually hadn't noticed that in putting this up there. I noticed that and then you've got the Bible verse down there.

Yeah. So iron sharpens iron. So one man sharpens another is a big thing for us. The big thing is iron sharpens iron. In order to improve yourself, regardless of the industry you're in, you have to hone your own skills. You have to put in the work to forge yourself and develop into who you want to be.

The phrase also goes on to say one man sharpens another. So I work with my patients, I work with parents, I work with athletes, any individual I'm seeing to help sharpen their skills, hone them into where they want to be physically and help promote a healthier and better life. You work so much, you work so often, especially with our adult population that you want to continue to live that stuff. And like we've talked about before, you want to live and be with your kids and nor even if you're older in life and you want to play with your grandkids.

It's what we're all about is just live life to your fullest. Yeah. Now you said, patients, parents, athletes, one of the things that you've talked about often with me is the forever athlete. Yep. Right. And you say athlete is maybe not somebody who's like, even in competitive sports, right?

Yeah. Like we want to stay physically capable and able. And sometimes we get out of shape or sometimes we get injured and that's not possible. And that's a lot of times where you come into the picture, right? So yeah, so I kind of branded as the forever athlete, the idea and concept that it may shy some people away because they're like, well, I'm not an athlete anymore.

I'm not in my twenties thirties. You know, I'm not playing professional sports or even club, but even playing rec sports or playing with your kids, you know, you don't want to go out one time playing flag football or play a pickup game with somebody and you know, not be able to do that. So that's where, you know, keeping people at athletic abilities is, is kind of forever is the way to go. Yeah. There's a commercial running right now and you know, this will be out there for a while.

So I don't know if it'll still be running, but the premise of the commercial, you see a guy eyes wide and it's like, this is your classic tried to get up off the floor injury, not to be confused with a sneeze too hard injury. Like just regular routine life can hurt. Yeah. Getting out of bed, tying our shoes, standing up, sitting down.

Like these are things that we're not doing as much with the sedentary lifestyle. Yeah. So how do you come in and kind of whip us back in shape a little bit?

Yeah. So, uh, first is kind of tell me a little bit about where you've been at or where you are. Um, get an idea of where are you currently at? And then we kind of start to explore, okay, where would you like to be? What is the big dream that you have that you want to be able to say and do and look back on your life?

And you know, when you talk finances, it's never too late. And this is kind of one of the things we'll get into, you know, what finding that dream, what do you want to be doing? If you, if I could wave a magic wand and say you can get there and we can get there tomorrow, what would you want to do?

Yeah. And really just lean into that. And we build a series of steps, a plan that fits your needs of what you need and you know, commit time commitment and a schedule availability so that it's attainable and it's not something that's, Oh yeah, I'll get you that tomorrow.

Probably not going to do that. It's going to take some time, but um, we can achieve your dreams and there's no reason to give up on them. Um, and you want to just enjoy life. That's the big thing is trying to live a better life.

I just want to be able to put my socks on without seriously contemplating that sock buddy mechanism like bending down, just simple things. But look, you get into much more advanced things than what I'm talking about. Sports injuries and really just maintenance as well. I know is a big part. So where are you located?

Cause I think that's a big factor. People probably are going to need to know. So I'm located within the Fuquay Sports Center that's on highway 55 heading towards Angier. Um, when you're at the light for sheets and you can head out towards Angier, take a right and then, um, there's a big building, there's a gymnastics gym and then South wake sports are in the front there.

Um, when you drive up the side, there's a Brazilian jujitsu gym called shell shock Brazilian jujitsu. The owner there is phenomenal. He's been a great help to the start of my practice. So I have to give all thanks and praise to him and just the ability to start as well as to God for, for providing the connection.

Cause it was actually through the pastor of my church who gave me that connection, who got us in conversation with one another. And so I've been, I've been there in the Fuquay Sports Center. It's fantastic to make the connection and to be right here central and in Fuquay where there are a lot of athletes in that building.

The jujitsu of course, kind of a natural partnership I would think for you, but like other gymnastics and baseball training, all kinds of things in that building. It used to be a flea market by the way, for you old, old, uh, native Fuquay folks. It's where the flea market used to be.

Yeah. Now, now it's between multiple, uh, like youth athletic shops, uh, rock solid warriors also in there. So they do some cool stuff and then there's big church alive.

That's kind of taken over a good chunk of the building, but it's an awesome building. A lot of great businesses definitely recommend checking them all out. Um, if you ever need kind of different activities for kids.

All right. Well, what, what do people need to know? Maybe, maybe not even just about your business specifically, but about your profession or when and where and how, what to understand about physical therapy or maybe some misconception or misunderstandings about what you do.

Yeah. So, um, so a couple of big things are to really consider for physical therapy. A lot of physical therapists are transitioning actually away from, uh, the insurance model and are going cash based for a multitude of reasons.

I mean, everybody's kind of seen the news of how insurance has gone for a plethora of, uh, reasons. So physical therapy is very much kind of on that dividing line of a lot of small businesses are starting to turn towards cash base just to make it more accessible to patients, more financially, it's actually more financially if feasible and then it better works within your schedule. Um, being that, you know, some common, uh, reasons why you would come see me is to get evaluated for a sports injury. If you're, you know, you don't want to go to urgent care, you don't want to wait for an x-ray there, you know, they've got timeout. If, if you can walk or you can move, you know, you can move your arm, however, such come in, get it checked out, rule out any big concerns. Then we want to get you into the appropriate hands and any good clinician is going to send you where you need to go.

So if you did, you know, sprain your ankle and there is, we are suspecting a fracture, we will send you to get an x-ray. Right. Um, there's a time and place there's a time and place for that. Yeah.

Not, not, not going any of that. That's where insurance probably is really beneficial to pay for those big expenses for sure. But also you mentioned moving away from the insurance model and we've talked about this. Like insurance really limits people's ability to get well. Yes. Talk about that.

Yeah. So, um, first thing is with insurance. Um, as a physical therapist, our hands are tied in a multitude of ways. The first one being is our visit limit. Um, so every policy is slightly different. Not your insurance, the insurance visits. So the, the amount of visits you are given or your policy is different for every individual. Um, and the crazy, even crazier thing is you can on, I can have five people that all work for the same company, but because they're in different tiers within their company, they all have different visit limits. I might have one person who could come see me every day, no visit limits whatsoever.

I can have another person that has 10 visits and everything in between. Does it have to do with the nature of the injury itself or is this more just, this is just what your insurance and policy who your policy is through and what you're given. Um, so that means I can have a, let's, I mean a big one in kind of my realm is an ACL injury. So that is after a ligament within your knee that is torn. You go through surgery. It's about a year to two year recovery process. Very extensive, need a lot of time and a lot of work to recover from that. Um, I've had athletes who have had, uh, unlimited visits and can come and see me all the time, but a far more majority of them, they have around 10 to 20 visits. So I get 10 to 20 visits with them. Uh, and I have to spread that across a full year if that's not, you know, again, depends on when I start seeing them, but I have to spread that say across a full year and then go from there. And it's a very intense rehab process.

It's not an easy one. Um, Achilles is another one. So Achilles tears and ruptures. Um, rotator cuff surgery is another big common one. So our visit limits, once your visit limit is reached, one of two options happen.

Either then you can, if the clinic has a cash based model or cash based ability, you can pay cash to continue your visits or you can, um, or you'll just have to go find a cash based physical therapist because you hit that visit limit and not everybody within that regimented amount of visits is all the way. Yeah. Yeah. Like people out of work for certain injuries, not completely functional and ready to go, but it's like, okay, now insurance isn't going to treat me. So does the injury just sort of quit improving and stay stagnant if we don't continue pursuing? Yeah.

Yeah. So your injury can kind of, that becomes kind of your, your hallmark basis, whether it's a young athlete trying to return back to sport, that becomes the injury. You know, you hear it, I hear it all the time of, Oh yeah, I had an injury 20 years ago, started rehab, didn't really finish for XYZ reasons. Visits are one of those common ones and they, you know, they stopped doing what they enjoyed.

Um, and that can persist for many years. Uh, and then even to like work, I had to change up my job because insurance didn't cover it. So I had to change and, and change up my whole profession and career options.

And I want you to stay doing what you love. Yeah. Um, and what you enjoy. So that's, that's the big one. Yeah. So even if you're not an athlete per se, forever active, right?

We want to, we want to try to stay active as much as possible. And I know that a lot of time pain prevents that. Yeah. Right. But I also, you, you want to distress that pain does not always equal structural damage. So that's what that is. Imaging can sometimes, but it does not always correlate to a break or a tear or a snap or something like that.

Yeah. So pain is very complicated thing to be quite honest and upfront about it. We're still learning a very much a lot about pain. Um, my kind of best explanation is, is that the more you've experienced pain in your life, uh, the more you have a better understanding of your pain.

For example, um, I'll ask patients if they've ever broken a bone before, because if you've never broken a bone before, I can't describe to you what that feeling is like. And that's a very big one. It's kind of surprising to me at how many people, you know, they have different five. Yeah.

Four or four of them have been playing basketball. Hey, at least you're having fun doing it. That's what matters. But that's, that's like when you get out of your routine, right?

And you don't end up going back and your life changes a little bit as a result. Yeah. Yeah. So pain can be a very scary thing. It can be, um, I was actually just having a conversation with somebody earlier this morning about that very thing of, uh, nothing physically happened. They didn't feel a tear or snap, you know, they didn't break anything, but they've been having a really bad shoulder pain just kind of recently started up on them. Um, and again, that doesn't mean that structurally structural damage isn't done, but through our kind of brief conversation, she did a lot more activity yesterday than her body was normally used to. Um, and so that kind of intermittent exposure, very new activity, heavy lifting, heavy volume of activity in a very short amount of time, uh, can lead to pain and pretty serious pain. Um, so it's always kind of trying to quantify, okay, what does that feel like to you?

Does it feel like a broken bone or is this just a little bit minor than that, you know, and then what did you do? Well, that's one thing I appreciated, uh, about, you know, my personal experience again dealing with my son is that once you ruled out that acute like major injury was not a factor, right? Um, we, we ran through some tests and you can probably get into that, but once you ruled out that this was not something that needed immediate acute treatment, it was more of a chronic thing that would need more exercise, a little bit time. You, you, you were able to put together a regimen for him that had metrics to it that we could test and see improvement. And that's the, that's the big thing is like once, once you've identified like the pain exists, you really got to put, put some numbers behind it cause I can, you know, throw the whole kitchen sink at you and we can try to work and make it better. But if what I've found to help is putting numbers behind an activity or say, you know, like take your son for example, you know, we had him do some motions, uh, or we, I assessed him, we put some numbers behind those assessments in different positions for his throwing and then we retest him again and he found whether there was pain or not. Um, so that's putting numbers behind what it is you're feeling can help make the world kind of come to a full circle on, okay, how are we going to get better and how do we know we're getting better?

Um, because sometimes we can get lost and while the pain is still there, you're stronger. So that's a step in the right direction. We still just need, there's still something, there's a cause. That's the thing we have to identify. Yeah.

Um, yeah, here's, here's a tough one. I know everybody wants to know the answer to do I have to go to the gym to stay healthy? The simple answer is no. You don't have to go to the gym. That does add a complicated, that does add a level of difficulty with that. It helps though. It helps. So I mean it's, it definitely makes it easier. You're more likely when you commit your time to some, to doing something like that, you're more likely to be successful in achieving your goals. Um, but you don't have to go to the gym.

There's a reason why there's, um, a CSM American college of sports medicine, uh, put out, has some basic guidelines, um, to be able to achieve various levels of physical activity. And that's kind of like everyone has to remember that's the bare minimum. So I think everyone takes that and is like, okay, well that's all I have to do. That's the bare minimum.

We should strive a little bit higher for that bar so that there's room for cushion and protection. Um, so no, you don't have to go to a gym. Some people are, you know, maybe anxious to go to a gym. So starting out with home workouts, finding a trainer that you can work on one on one with, um, is a solid good way to go. And it helps with committing to that process too. So I'm going to help hold you accountable. That's at least my biggest thing is if you don't go to a gym, um, have a friend, have a family member do an activity with somebody to help push you.

Doing it by yourself is, it's difficult. Motion, motion and movement are key. Like there's, I think it's the NFL that's like play, play 60 minutes a day or something like that. It's just having that, having that movement is, is really critical. Although I will say, and not a reason not to do it, right? It is helpful to go to the gym, but, but accidents and injuries happen in the gym.

Yeah. So, you know, find, find what you're comfortable with knowledge. I've worked with a couple of clients where I've started training them to be able to teach them basics and understandings of what it means to go to the gym so that they can either then go themselves and be safe or they can go to another trainer and know what to look for. Um, there's a wide world of online abilities or to trainings for people. So tomorrow you too could be a personal trainer or anybody else. It's not a knock on any profession. It's just have to, how do we vet your individuals?

And I want to teach people what should you know and what should you look for? Yeah. Um, so I just always got to keep an eye on that one. Yeah.

Um, all right. So am I too old or too out of shape to get into shape? That's a, that's another, another big one that I hear is that a lot of people kind of limit their age or limit behind their age or they've stopped doing something because they were told to. Um, so it's never too old. It's just like you kind of know in the financial world, it's never too late to start saving your money and putting your pennies away. That's time to have started would have been ideal is younger and earlier. However, it's never too late. Just recognizing, okay, you know, at 65 I'm not going to get you, you know, back into the NFL or MBA or, you know, you're not going to get there. My dreams of growing up to become a professional athlete, I think of that.

That's kind of the reality to that. But you know, you can still play with your son, play with your grandkids, enjoy your life, um, and probably have a lot more fulfilling fulfillment in that and maybe for longer and for longer if I mean you get to stay and be active. Um, research shows that, uh, older adults who just, uh, strength training can improve muscle mass, bone density and overall function. They can walk more. You can keep the walkers and the canes and all of that away.

Um, you can walk on the beach with comfort and excitement. So the more that you start doing strength training or get involved in any kind of physical activity, um, it helps your overall better basics of life. Uh, the way I tell people is if you're dead lifting and you can dead lift 200 pounds, that's the hardest thing you can do. Anything else below that if you can, you know, you can lift up your grandkids that are 50 pounds because you've dead lifted 200.

So anything below that threshold becomes extremely easy. So that's why I'm a big promoter of it's never too late. Stay as active as you can. Um, so, so, so physical therapy, not necessarily just for people with injuries. Correct.

Yeah. So, um, a lot of people will what I'll see, especially this time of year, we're getting, we're in the new year. So a lot of people have started their new year's resolutions. They're, you know, they went and they got involved, uh, in a burn bootcamp and orange theory, different places that very high intensity.

Love those places. CrossFit's awesome. Um, highly recommend and encourage watching your volume is always the hardest thing. So what that means is you're in, you go from not doing anything or not lifting weights in, you know, 10 plus years to all of a sudden you're now lifting weights in an hour and you're lifting very heavy.

You want to, you want to be with up with everybody. So over time, over a few days, couple of weeks, you can get burnt out. Fatigue starts to set in, pain starts to set in.

Um, and it's just more from the fact that you've, the volume was too, it was too quick. You went from zero to a hundred percent. So we got to, I try to work with clients and patients on that progressive loading and being able to return to those things so that they can stay in those things. I want people, I don't want people to come back to me because if you're coming back to me, it means something's wrong and I would rather have you see and enjoy your activities in sports.

Know that I'm here to help you when you do need it though. When the pendulum swings suddenly to an extreme though, like I'm not, I'm not super active, I'm not super in shape. And then I go and sign up for the men's league softball team and all of a sudden I'm running from first to second at full speed.

Not something I normally do and oh, felt something popper the wrong way. That, that's, that's, that's where physical therapy really could or maybe the other, the other way. Like I am a performer and then something happens and I'm not there and now in the back of my mind it's like, will I ever get back? Yeah.

Can I ever get back to that performance level? Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah, I mean like hitting on the, you know, the softball activity, you know, I've, I've had a lot of, you know, dad's moms get involved in the softball stuff. They sprint first to second and you know, they felt their Achilles or their hamstring pop and the, you know, that kind of shut them down and they're like, can I still do that? Yes. We're just going to load you up. We're going to get you back to a pain free range. We're going to work to help you improve your running tolerance, but then also not only address the symptoms, we're going to go and we're going to make you better than you were before.

So you can, you can run to first, first to second, second to third run helm and score and not be concerned about that anymore. And just keep, keep moving from there. And again, but it may not happen overnight. Yep. And there's some push of pain factor within the improvement itself, right?

Yep. So a lot of people, again, kind of going back to, you know, pain isn't structural damage. The way I'll talk about it with people or educate people on it is pain is like touching a hot plate when you're trying to cook or know if you can set stuff on, on your stove after you're done cooking is you touch it, but you don't keep your hand there. So you touch it, feel if it's warm and then you pull your hand away and keep your hand there. You're going to burn yourself. So you're going to feel it.

And that's very much how I teach people about pain. You know, let's work into it, see if it's there. Okay, let's back off. Okay.

Is it lingering or is it subsided? Okay, let's, let's go again. And we try to push that threshold so that you can tolerate more and your body knows it's okay to work within that range. I think that there might be a mentality to that physical therapy automatically and only follows surgery, right? Is that, that, that this is the natural progression of the order of things. There is surgery and then PT and people don't maybe think about going to the PT and skipping the surgery step, which probably would, would be good if we could.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and you know, I want to just be able to state that like, you know, surgery is definitely in need thing in certain situations and times. But we also want to be, if we can save you from being under the knife, we want to try to you know, surgery is a big thing for a lot of people. So, and it can be a scary thing to go think about going under the knife. So when you do have that on the table or you're thinking about that, come see a physical therapist.

Any clinician is great, you know, come talk to us. We're going to find out, okay, is this absolutely necessary for you to do or can it be either pushed off, you know, 20-30 years? Can it, you know, is it really an absolute need at all? So through an evaluation, we'll be able to assess and tease out, okay, is this just, this is, we can treat you, we're good to go.

Okay, we need to send you to get a little bit more information, maybe give you or, you know, send you to see your doctor or urgent care and then or yeah, you know, you need to go see your surgeon. But coming to see us first will help save you, you know, thousands of dollars, get a good screening and understanding and then just, you know, know that you don't have to go under the knife always. Now again, time and place for it. It's absolutely necessary. Agreed. Do you see people being pushed to surgery where maybe in your opinion, not quite necessary yet?

Yeah, yeah. So I'll see people have conversations way early on about surgery. And then once they've got that in their head, that's kind of like the soul, like they're so focused that I've been told it's not going to get better until I have surgery.

Well, okay, what like why? What's the what is their reasoning for telling you that it can't get better? You know, is there so much damage and trauma to save the joint, maybe a hip that yeah, surgery is your only way to go or is it you know, you kind of, you know, you start your assert at most surgeons love them all most there are they have great skills. But sometimes you get so focused in on seeing once you start seeing the signs and symptoms, there's an assumption, okay, we need to, this is where we need to go. A lot of them are starting to step back and say, okay, let's, let's try conservative management. But I still see some that are pushing, hey, we need to get surgery now. And it's like, let's, let's wait a little bit. Let's assess, let's try conservative management.

Let's really give it your best effort. I mean, not to knock any profession, certainly, you know, doctors, I believe, want the best interest and want to treat and improve. But at certain times, like that's what they do.

That is their profession. Yeah, maybe, right, we, we get a second opinion. Yeah.

And would be good if surgery is being recommended for the hip or the knee or whatever the case is the shoulder before you jump right under the knife. Yep. Go and get a second look at things. And a lot of times I've, I've found that like strengthening the muscles around joints can be pretty productive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. No, I was just talking with somebody who recently they're looking at potentially having a hip replacement. So I bring it up and through my evaluation, I showed him pictures of different hips to be able to say, okay, from an x-ray standpoint, when they look at your hips, this is what I'm looking for. If I see an x-ray and be able to assess, okay, like there's so much damage that, yeah, there's no joint space. The femur, the head of your femur is so destroyed that, you know, yes, you need to go get it done and taken care of some people.

It actually looks pretty good. We just need to strengthen up the muscles around and give you that stability and security. And that greatly helps. I think I've, and so the, you know, the gentleman I was talking about, I'm talking about, you know, he's committed to the next month of, okay, we're gonna, we've built him a rehab process to help strengthen his hip, see where we can get. He's got his, he'll meet with his surgeon still just to, you know, get a look and confirm. And, you know, something that we've talked about, you know, I definitely would like to talk with the surgeon so that I can say, hey, I want to be on the same page as you.

I want to talk and know that we are in agreeance, you know, or there's, where is the disagreeance, you know, about why it is we may want surgery versus not going to surgery. Yeah. You mentioned, you know, a protocol of, of a month to work and try to see that improvement. How long is that protocol going to last for someone? Yeah, I know it's not a, we can fix you overnight. Yeah. What's the timetable there? Generally, if I can, for, you know, this patient in particular, I would give him four week, four to six weeks.

I see him once every two weeks. But that's in particular. That's in particular.

That's not going to be the third. Yeah, it's going to be very, very broad-based. So a broad-based answer would be just trying to like give it your, it's all going to depend on what is actually the cause of your symptoms, not the symptoms themselves. Okay. So if we can find the, we have to identify what the cause is, that will give us a good understanding of, okay, you know, we might be able to clear this up over not over, you know, like we can address it now. And then if you commit to, you know, two weeks of strengthening, you'd be looking pretty good. If it's a case where, you know, okay, how do I say it?

You know, maybe four, maybe four weeks, maybe six weeks, but we space out the visits so that it's not a big time commitment. We just have to figure out what works best for you. We focused a lot on, on strength, but flexibility is big. Well ability is another big one. So, you know, I can't change your physical anatomy. Your bones are the way your bones are.

But that doesn't mean that you can't move in a better light than what you are now. As we get older, we start to lose our elasticity. So our rubber band effect with our muscles and joints. So we stiffen up.

Flexibility is something I highly promote. Doing yoga, Pilates, you know, I've even, I've worked with a couple of professional players, athletes, both in NBA and NFL. They do yoga and Pilates as well. For top professional athletes. A lot of people's mind was blown when they figured out that a lot of professional football players take ballet. It's something completely different.

You don't expect it will seem opposing, but it helps in other areas and actually kind of connected. Today's young athlete seems to be much more specialized in one thing and one thing only. Yeah. When that's not actually what even professional athletes do. What's your take on that?

Yeah. So as you get older, you want, you can specialize more. So very early on, you want to learn, you kind of want to learn as much diversity in movement as you can. You want to be exposed to different sports. Anecdotally for myself, I played baseball, I did karate and then I went to swimming and I played water polo. Taught me a variety of movements. I now do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

It's amazing the moves that I learned from water polo and how to move people's body weight, manipulate them in the water and move around them has transferred to Jiu Jitsu. So the more diverse your early on exposure is to different sports, the better off you'll be in the long term. So specializing in new sports is, can be rather stunting to your athletic ability. Are you seeing overuse injuries rise? Very, very common. So big one, especially being here in North Carolina, baseball is a massive thing. UCL injuries.

So Tommy John surgery is a big, well known one. A lot of people go for because kids are, they're playing 365, they're throwing every day, they're not getting a break. And the common thing I hear, especially from parents is, oh, well, they're young, so they'll, they'll be fine.

Well, if we, if I asked you that same argument, you know, I'm sure we can find something in your past you gave up because that same principle didn't hold up. I mean, young car, 20 year old car. Yep.

Neither one's gonna run really well with no oil and no gas in it. Right? Exactly. Exactly. It's all about how you treat it and you know, what, what things are you taking to, uh, to best help your help set them up for their future. Um, it's kinda like how you talk financially, the kind of more diverse your funds may be, the better off you'll be.

If you've all got it in one place, something goes wrong. I like how you understand the financial world too. Yeah. All right.

So probably wrapping up here last couple of minutes. Um, we talked a little bit about insurance and that you're moving away from, do you take insurance? So the, the simple answer is no. However, um, the way we bill insurance is different than traditional models. So usually traditional model, you take your insurance, find your benefits, okay, here's your benefits.

And we, we utilize that. Um, what I do is we pay you, you as a client pay upfront for your care. Um, I list out exactly what it is your care will be exactly like ideally how many visits we're going to get through, give you a price point, very transparent on my pricing for any and all individuals.

Um, and then allow you to make your best call on what it is you want to go with. Um, we can then build that towards insurance and what's called a super bill at the end of your care. So we've got all the financials set up. We'll submit that super bill to your insurance. It'll get filed in your out of network, um, policy or plan. And then sometimes insurance may kick back, you know, they will reimburse you a certain percent. Again, that one depends on your policy. You know, that being said, some people very much want to meet their deductibles and then, okay, my, my, my, uh, care is free. Well that comes with some handcuffs and I don't think you really want to find those out too because then it can get even more frustrating. Yeah.

And what I found, it really wasn't terribly more than the co-pays would have been anyway. Yep. So yeah. Um, anything else that you feel people need to know about, about Iron Varsity, about you, Dr. Colton, Ozorzak, like your resource here in the Fuquay-Varina community, you offer these services, um, maybe who are you trying to connect with that your services would be of benefit to?

Most definitely. Uh, so, uh, coaches, whether that's like sports coaches, athletic coaches at schools, um, athletic trainers, fellow clinicians, um, there's a variety of sports performance facilities. So connection with all of them is, is a great way to go and meeting with them just to learn how can we keep their clients, their clients, you know, how can you stay where you're at because you enjoy the environment, you enjoy where you want to be, um, and just be able to get a good, get it, keep a good study process going.

Um, I don't like when people have to give up what they love and do for, you know, for a long period of time. Uh, the other thing too is just be able to, um, you know, give us a call, give us an email, you know, if you've got general questions, you want a quick screen, I'm, I'm more than happy to do a screen, give you some information, help you answer questions like I did, you know, with Braxton of like, Hey, this is some things that we need to do. And then we, we, we can go on from there. Um, you know, we want to make sure that you have a good idea on what you wanted, like, what is your care actually going to need to be? Um, so even if it's just, Hey, I've got a question, this is what I was told, you know, feel free to, to reach out to us. Um, and we're more than a phone number, website, email, any of that stuff, any of that stuff. So yeah, we have a website, iron varsity.com, phone number 919-285-4596. Um, email is Colton at iron varsity.

Uh, that's Colton, C O L T O N, not E N, um, at iron varsity. Um, more than happy to help get you, uh, any questions answered that you need some guidance on. Awesome. Well, Hey, uh, really appreciate it. Uh, it's been a pleasure talking with you, talking about iron varsity resource here.

No few way. It used to be all fast food restaurants. Uh, and then it became like there was a mattress store on every corner and then the gyms started popping up.

There's been kind of an evolution there, but you know, with all that movement is key eating, right? But if you have a pain and ache, something not quite right, or you just want to stay active for longer, Colton iron varsity resource here in Fuquay Marina. So again, appreciate it. Pleasure. Thank you.