Four Special Interviews

We got some very special eye opening interviews that get us all thinking today right here it's time for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH.

That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

We are going to spend the better part of one more day focused on racial reconciliation focused on different perspectives that we bring to the table here in America, this is Michael Brown you're listening to the line to filing the call 866-348-7884. That's 866-34-TRUTH a few minutes from now. I'll be joined by Janet points African-American woman powerful testimony coming out of lesbianism, broken home, great ministry today reaching many people we want to talk to her and get her perspective on what's happening in society today delivering the broadcast will be speaking with Prof. George Yancey also African-American. Some very wise words to bring on how we can transcend racial barriers in the second hour. I'll be speaking with Dan Fisher about his book the Black robed Regiment, a real eye-opening book about how American leaders, pastors, clergy pave the way or played a major role I should say in the American revolution in the 1700s and then in the last half hour be speaking with Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, also African-American man who said that likewise matters worse than Ku Klux Klan's really get a bunch of perspectives today. We've been blessed by hearing from some of you are your listeners Friday Monday yesterday and today will be having a special interview, so I may be taking some calls at some point, but for the most part sit back, enjoy the broadcast. And if you miss any part of it member you can listen online on your tablet on your cell phone wherever you are anywhere in the world on the website asked her to Brown, the Lord asked Katie or Brown.org and you can also catch the broadcast later at the very same place so I expanded my thoughts about why Christians should lead the way in racial reconciliation and I put together a list of 10 items you can read this by going to my website Brown.org but here they are in brief 1. We are called to be salt and light to we have a unique unity having the same father being saved same blood. Three recall to be peacemakers and ambassadors of reconciliation. Number four as those who have been forgiven, we can forgive others. Number five.

In Jesus there is either black or white, yellow or red number six. We know the life-changing power of the gospel and with God all things are possible. Number seven. We have a common enemy number eight, we understand spiritual warfare in the power of prayer.

Benign register. The power of the tongue 10 when you have a gospel has changed America in the past, I just noticed a note on website one website from a perpetual critic does whatever I postal criticize and attack Azalea all that. That's all fine and dandy, which you wrote, but we've got to address the systemic issues throughout the society. I guess what is completely missing and this is what happens when you just have it in for someone.

Whoever it is be the politician be a pastor of whoever it is that whatever they say you gonna differ with is that you miss the point of what they're actually saying and in this case, what I'm saying is where there is systemic injustice or racism or inequality that these principles are what will address it.

Of course it is by living these things out in every sector of society that we bring about positive and constructive change. By the way, another note but just a comment.

I'm shocked by the comments of Ruth Bader Ginsburg attacking Donald Trump completely out of line or Supreme Court justice completely out of seismic take bizarre file. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown, welcome back, friends, the line of fire 866-34-TRUTH the number to call if I do take calls will get straight to my guest. Janet points Janice got a powerful book that will be coming out soon.

I wrote the forward to that and I want her to share that with you briefly, but she comes from a very broken home suffered abuse growing up ended up in lesbian lifestyle by which I mean in lesbian relationships. Also, drugs and down for 14 years, Jesus wonderfully delivered her and she's got a great ministry to the hurting to the broken to others who want to grow in God. To find out more by going to Janet Boeings ministries.com that's BOY and ES Janet Boyd's ministry.com and Janet. I off the year have discussed the current racial tensions in America and the different perspectives through which different people see the world so wanted to bring her on to discuss these things with us a Janet welcome to light a fire. Thanks for joining us today.

Dr. Brown in honor can be a part of anything that you're doing.

You have become a mentor and friend and I'm so grateful to be a part of whatever you're doing something might my joy to have youth before we get into the race issues in your perspective tell us the title of your new book and and again I was afford to have quite familiar with the contents, but tell us about your new book when it's gonna be coming out and why you wrote it.

Harrison publishing is going to publish this book coming out at a different hundred copy is going to be arriving at my conference that's going to be in New Jersey in August, but the release date. I'm not sure that the quest for truth and reason why we do this book so many families and parent had contacted my ministry that morning. It was apparent we want to answer the tough question. My kid is excited have a civil union do I go or do I not my child is becoming transgender. How do we respond as parents are solidly built crucial question that's going to help a parent not reject or child but at the same time love them. I believe in compassion without compromise compassion with those who are going through difficult time. But let's not compromise the gospel are really excited to get this book out and get into parent and a lot of people are asking us about this book so it's gonna be exciting to get out. I really can't help prepare them to help them have a better understanding of how to work with their child and the reason why it could be going to the liquor dealing with.

And, you know, Janet.

The thing that struck me most in the book and I mention it in the fourth, the way you grew up such a broken home, and abusive background, both from your your mother and from a stepfather and then living in the world being caught up in sinful relationships for years being on drugs and now knowing the Lord and walking with the Lord these years since I was struck by the degree of wisdom that you have as as if you had been raised in the Lord in a godly home. All that the days of your life as if you had been in a solid marriage for decades as if you had raised your own kids and so I thought obviously guys really done something deep in your life and you've been around some great job examples because with the upbringing you had to be able to write a book like this it's it's really a testimony to God's transforming power know God works out great family of four different fathers. Watching my mother get abused by my my stepfather my mother and I became your peers are great by my mother's husband in bed by an altar boy. But what was mine and my modeling. I wasn't on allow my path to protect my future.

However me coming from from point a to D was a prophet. Yes I was right. Guess I wanted to homosexuality.

I struggle with drugs.

I put myself in treatment. I away from all that and that's because of the power of God in the body of Christ and the church was the church that helping get to work on that today. The church change agent on earth today that is going to be the character help many women come out of what they're dealing with is when you take all of us to be a part of that change beginning of that was upon the church that I was at in Maple Grove, Minnesota.

I wouldn't be where I'm at today. I moved in with a Christian family at the age of 40. I walked away from that lifestyle in this family took me and asked where I was able to have a better understanding of what it was like to have a family and you know what was in a black family.

It was a white family that took me and it all started back when my great English teacher took me under her wing when teachers told her why are you gonna work with a girl I get peeved at she's got wind up dead at the age of 21 of my eighth grade English teachers that doesn't matter. I want to take this girl in my wing because I speak potential and she spent time with me working with English and my writing and I am what I am because somebody took interest in me the money believed in me, even though I went through a lot of pain because a lot of my mommy to be that I was abused and raped. I was determine what I gave my heart to the Lord not to look back but look at what is in front of me and all the Christian meant that came into my life. I took everything that they said with heart and I was lack what my path look like or how people are trying to label me to stick with me. I knew I could do better and I kept going at it and I kept going. I like that you give up now today I get an opportunity to speak around the country and share what God has done in my life is pretty powerful and I got what I wanted to come on your show today because I realize were in a spiritual battle. We are in a spiritual battle but a lot of these young kids getting involved in some of the fight.

Not bad kid. A lot of people thought I was a baggie because I got kicked out of school time that things happen to them and so were acting out of our pain. A lot of times we have to be rehabilitated. A lot of people look at other back and clap that is on the long black 98% of my friends are white, and we can go into a restaurant and he can even tell I get treated differently than Brady. Racism is still here.

But let me tell you what I really think is important. What was hidden in the dark is now in the light. I remember Dr. Brown when I was in the homosexual life.

We stand on the corner and I have been utmost respect for police officers. Brandon that our police officers have a healthy fear of them to because I know what you're capable of doing it there in a bad mood. I was against the cop car and bounced off other and shipped not to because I was standing on the corner because maybe they're having a bad day, but again, not all police officers are bad, but I young kid are getting shot. They're getting killed and back.

I'm trembling because I'm afraid I'm going to stay a long thing but I shouldn't do be afraid of how I feel. These are my feelings and they are legitimate and what were going to have to do is come together as a body of Christ. White, black, panic, or all they have to sit at a table and talk about what we can do to continue to help the generations that are coming behind because I tell you this world is in a mess that we are in a spiritual battle and I believe that where Anna warfare again good and evil, light and dark, but what we do church we fight back but not to fight back with God. We don't have to fight back with her this week. Back in the spiritual realm. What is supernatural work granted on our knees and pray that the print class that he lack of grip are key, but often times were still quick to judge these kids by these adults on how they dress, or how they look or what they're doing, that were so big on behavior modification and pay what they needed social transformation in the behavior take care of it and Janet again.

We discussed you coming on the year it was so that you could bring this perspective which we've also heard from for a good number of listeners of had a good number black listeners totally respectful of the program. In fact, enjoying the program honoring me God-fearing citizens, hard-working men, women, younger people, and they talk to me about what they faced and that's helped to round out my perspective because I didn't grow up in in in this way, I didn't grow up being racially profile that he grew up to look at. I when I was on drugs I was carrying drugs that has certain fear the police but that was quite justified because I was always breaking the law, but it was because the color my skin and the thing is though you're not saying this to attack or choose your saying this to say that we have the answer but we need to understand the depth of the issue so we come back. Janet hello talk about what we can do together is the body of Christ to address the challenges of families in the inner-city.

To address the challenges faced by black Americans and begin working together as the body of Christ and then to just give you okay will. Here's a perspective where whites react about black lives matter, because what they feel is an exaggeration or dangerous. Rather, something civil continues conversation all Hindus get started today will be right back. Number five.

Snow light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Thanks so much for joining us on the modified voice of moral sanity and spiritual clarity in the midst of a society and compromise in the church sees me a society in chaos in the church. All too often in compromise, joined by Janet points her new book will be out shortly. Quest for truth that will greatly help parents leaders dealing with questions about homosexuality and transgender is him compassionate without compromise.

The way Janet puts it, I wrote the forward to that book gentlest name spelled points BOYNES Janet I'm going to throw out a couple things for you and then you can respond at length about because you got a lot to say and it's important that we hear this everything you're saying is redemptive and constructive, which is again a key. What we want to hear it so to give you a white perspective which is not can be news to you but your average white Christian is not aware of of systemic racism in America there there thinking he will one body with one family in the church and we've got we've got a black president and what's the big deal and then go see.

Okay, say that the black man that was shot in Alabama out Sterling facility guy has an arrest record is the 20 arrests.

He's a registered sex offender. He he illegal possession resisted arrest. In the past you don't make the guy into a saint and and delicate that the shooting of the policeman and this is no spurred on by black lives matter rhetoric in these you know that the African-American communities is being used by people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and you know it's divisive and in their bigger problems to address things like that so that that's how many white Americans would see things and be quite oblivious to what black Americans have experienced as a people over the years, so just give me your honest response when you hear those things which have validity.

On the one hand within her missing other points.

First, what your perspective and then second, what we do together is the church to try to bring help to a difficult situation in my personal opinion. All African-American people are good people like white people wanting people that are alike or not, were not in flavoring any white person, and not everything they understand what it's like being a black because we were the ones that were in flavoring and it feels like sometimes they're trying however, Jackson, Al Sharpton, on can you see them is when something happened not been doing anything else just getting political gain. There just like the media always looking for a way to get their name out so they can feel like. Big dog are ridiculous. They're not listening to the kids are not looking for those who are out there thinking when we get down and to what kids are saying, I believe were going to start making pain not based on our desires and our thoughts and what we think is best for them what they need.

That's why Donald Trump or that's why get Bush to highlight or cruise why they're probably not the front runner because you can't barely put people in office don't lifted the people. Now everybody sick and tired of it and now they want change and because people are making changes every county but are stupid and they don't make that no doing what they think is going to be right for them and their family. And when you're pinned up against the wall and when you can't take it no more.

Got back right doesn't make a right to go kill anybody.

We have to find another solution.

When people are in pain and I believe that insider that pain started acting out and that's what's happening with.

Most people there acting out looking right at eight kill Beasley's officers now what the police officers are doing. I believe there are so many bad cops out there and I believe there's bad but with the copter going to have to do start telling on their own and from what I know (that are police officers that if you count on your own light really killing somebody when your brothers are wanting us that there there but it start handing out the band no more, no more venom here in the police department will go to start calling you guys out. You need to get off the forest because you're making things bad for the first thing that would change one at that start in their own house parent can understand African-American. I was born out of wedlock. Many of us don't have father, mother, people are trying to buy. We have come from a different culture. Try to understand our culture and where we've come from and why we feel the way we feel at the person Dr. Brown who cannot homosexuality and travel the country.

Do you know how I feel left out some time to think about all the thick speakers out there and and yes I'm going to get some churches, but sometimes I feel like because people know where I come out of beta-1 align consult with me and break my heart. It makes me feel like I am a second-class event or you don't fit in doing a group of people and I walked in. I'm a very good watcher and I watched them at conferences all over the country and I want to speakers that they have. I watched Donald Trump.

I was in one in New York at the top 900 pastors and leaders where there mean a guy by the name of Greg Quinlan.

We were there and the speakers that came out are the one to get back what they are all white builders all white and back should not happen going to have to mix it up so other voices can be heard. The other thing is that right African-American female. Trump has a faith advisory board. If you were to bring people together.

You would have to have to start having them on your team not lack of them, but more of that was the African-American woman on your state-based team were going have to come together and that's where the racial divide is going to stop somebody like me who cannot homosexuality use is been great to panic disorder and God is now using my voice. These are common people that you want to use the you want to get the information from the find out what work product leaving to work for somebody else leaving things like but it just might help so many other young girls are some of these other young boy. We gotta find a way to start using our boys are using it in a correctly and not a bad way like were all just getting pushback and a lucky Kate. I love Kent and Franklin either date name but a lot of time people go there and think yeah what you want another penny from like you want to hear young talking. They might not honor them and I'm not saying that about and could I love them all up in the law, but this is what they're saying is it really about money. Is it really about. I think there's a lot of confusion going on in the body of Christ. If we want kids, we want them in our churches, and let's start going to where they are and meet their needs, whether at not bringing the church of St. Hamm hungry boom lift close family draft them let their knee and any and everything that you really care. Then I will either come Janet in a few short minutes you set a whole loss and the challenges are there and question is how we respond Janet we just got started today were going to continue this conversation. I'm very glad you're part of my family to be continued. It's the light a fire with your host activist, author, international and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the light of ironbound by calling 86643.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown know why I don't my I don't mind at all.

When things make me uncomfortable or I don't always like being made uncomfortable Bosch. I don't mind when things are said that challenge me that make me feel uncomfortable because I know ultimately if on pursuing the Lord is my hearts open to him if I love his truth if I love his ways, then whatever perspective I need change whatever mindset I need change whatever adjusting. I need no problem, it's for the good is just like if maybe your your an athlete and use your seeking to get to the top your sport you bring in a new trainer because you feel you've gone as far as you can on the train uses new note, you've got some fundamental issues you have to relearn how you do this and this and this to get where you need to be what no one likes to hear that, but if you know that it's constructive rather than destructive. You embrace these things so a lot of the conversations were having over these days there making some listeners uncomfortable. Making some listeners angry, discouraging other listeners and others are saying a man absolutely am so glad someone saying it. The whole purpose of having live talk radio is to be able to interact together as a family to be able to interact together as a body to be able to learn from each other to be able to challenge each other to be able to grow together. Why so we can make the maximum impact for the Lord so that we can bear. The most lasting fruit so our lives can touch the most people in the deepest, most powerful ways so that Jesus can be glorified. While we have breath in the next few minutes I'm going to bring on another guest and all.

I'll introduce them at that point put Prof. George Yancey is coming at these issues as African-American men but also as academic as a professor who has examined issues of racial tension and racial barriers written some important books on these issues so so working to be talking together and again everything we do is to be constructive. I've I've looked at something that I'm unopposed to Prof. Yancey in a moment, but of looked at the issue of other minorities in American history and the Jewish minority. So the one that I come from the it's more recently, Asian minorities, Hispanic minorities, others, other ethnic groups when they came to America were in the minority, and there were often obstacles to overcome their often challenges to overcome.

But in every case, they have been overcome and will be look at Africans coming over from Africa to America in recent years, many of them well educated, many of them quickly rising to the top of their profession or or doing well with the particular universities were there studying and yet historically African-Americans hear those who have been with us through the generations of their still struggling. I don't look at that as their fault primarily.

I look at that. Is there something larger going on that we need to address together as the body of Christ. It's all too easy just appointed someone and to say well you should do better but as Jeff points just said she's raised without a father, as are many African-Americans, many don't even know their mother and there obstacles that need to be overcome.

So how do we overcome these together as the body of Christ like us to be drawing shortly. Prof. George Yancey has called for the very thing I've called for honest communication which means listening to each other learn from each other, committing to make each other uncomfortable if need be, so that we can come to constructive solutions.

America needs us to do that right now the church should lead the way will be right back with Prof. Georgette the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown, the line of fire down by calling 86630. Jim is Dr. Michael Brown, this is our fourth straight day of focusing in particular on the racial divides in America. The pain that's being experienced throughout the country. The question of addressing injustices in an individual and systemic way referred from quite a few different voices we've had so many great calls for your listening audience. I'm so pleased to bring on the air for the first time Prof. George Yancey. He is professor of sociology at the University of Texas.

He's written popular Christian books for publishers like University press one spirit principles of successful multiracial churches beyond racial gridlock, embracing mutual responsibility for his recent book together with Michael Emerson, published by Oxford University press. Transcending racial barrier so Prof. Yancey is looking at things as an academic. As a Christian as an African-American. He's looking at massive research is looking at anecdotal responses in the same what can we do now, is the body of Christ to bring about positive change. So, a Prof. Yancey great to have you with us on the line of fire today Dr. Brown grabbed me. I really appreciate what will my joists or this is been a major academic focus of you for years and a major practical focus to see these are issues we all intersect with but but what got your attention. What did you feel you need to be a voice on this well you know interesting because going to graduate school. When I first started I wasn't really wanting to study racial issue, but then I had something happen in my life personally that affected me as an African-American and you know it just reinforced that if you're black in the United States depart for you to escape particular racial issue, whereas for white, not quite that hot amusement quite apart so that's got me into studying, among other things, racism, and specially the church and when you say things that happen to give me a for instance what would happen if time was outdated. A young lady was white and her mother didn't like about black and so you adapt to your initial thing that really got to get record. It wasn't the only time our faith, racial bias, but it it had a profound impact on me.

At that time yeah what what I've seen and heard from so many callers just reminds me of the fact that I can have empathy as much as possible but II can't fully relate to your experience because I'm white Americans doesn't mean that person or a white supremacist just means that my perspective on life growing up how untreated. Helen looked at is going to be different than that of many African-Americans you what I think is really missing favor come in here as a supporter of one side or the other. Even though I am an African American that nature. But what I see is a really a breakdown of communication that we we argue with each other. We are you packed each other. We don't talk to each other with into each other and as long that happen then you will have moments like yesterday work will come together for funeral and temporarily we have the time, but we won't really get the root of these issues until are willing to talk and listen to people who disagree with you so, so perhaps an caricatured form. Explain how we might talk past each other or are you passed each other and with each other talking points and maybe a caricatured way how are we missing each other well. This way all of us have been a conversation Marie had agreement and if were not careful to catch herself listening to that person that worded his agreement with form and her own counterargument water water talking and so you're finished talking to go right back with our counter I.

A lot of our coming watch MSNBC or Fox or on Facebook.

Look at look at these conversations were having no people are arguing and there are going to win and rubber argument to understand or disgusting to understand because until we understand how other people come from the front solutions that everyone can buy into and will reduce her to try and impose our solutions on other people. Exactly so and sometimes to really listen is painful because it can expose the blind spot on our side or wrong perspective.

A wrong attitude and your right rolloff and cut me for the counterargument. We got our way set up before we even start in which case would never get to make forward progress. Now you've looked at things again on a practical level in churches, multiracial churches, things like that but academically you've done research.

So in terms of inequities in terms of injustices in terms of quote systemic racism that's that's a word or phrase. Some people find offensive. Another side to be an apt description what it what is your researcher academic research tell you about the state of things in America today. While no way recommend have felt today is quite different, relate to end. The grip I like to give when art class.

The fact that you know I own a home, a lot of my own home. How do we get the limit on that home felt at home will at some point in the United States motherland controlled by Native American know every door history we know that we didn't go there and negotiate good faith that if Americans didn't buy the land other than a history there.

There is an institution that took that went from them generally in an unfair manner for an instant I have enough American have benefited from the historical petition all discrimination and to correct the faith there other examples, but he does want to clear it was because you clearly see that even though will have the clan going around. Thank goodness for doing that stuff don't have a lot of overt type of racial hatred.

We do have the lasting affect of what happened in our country and that and if you're in a relationship you know what happened in the past that religion can affect for your day and until we confront that until we recognize that been working to continue to have these sort of problems and issues and initiatives. I like calling I so so a white listener might say, look, we've had our reconciliation meetings we've we've asked for forgiveness for the past the Civil War cost us dearly. Abraham Lincoln evincing the blood that was being shed in the Civil War was repayment for that for the blood that we had shed and segregation that's in the past we have African-American president and why adhering to say the caricatured way. Why can't you guys just move on what's missing in that sentiment that evident in American ought to sit down and listen to that white person and I have like people voice their frustrations after you know all that happens in on the person rake the air. And so on and this current situation.

I'm not explain why on article and make that very clear. Not just little while wrong in and do a color below that of the St. because we are all fallen creatures golf for what well what are you for that one person or do is to find a person of color and engage well call argue the people Kush did as well engage in active listening to see why people of color still feel the way they do is you have to agree with them but but but understandably come from. Then maybe your position at the okay I see that you feel this way maybe we can do this in order to try to help all of us out and they were different solutions that we can all agree upon.

So at this point I am not in been humbled enough to know that on the collective brought a solution. Hey we do this in a golf ball solution is with enough but we can get it out until a will and listen to each other about exactly that's been that's been my heart that's wise I've echoed which would you written by the way friends you can read Prof. Yancey's writings stream stream.org Rye frequently right as well. I so appreciated many of his writings was intersected a little here and there. The homosexual issue you've written some of that that is a major focus of so let let me approach it from from this angle. Then again, Prof. Yancey's most recent book, together with Michael Emerson transcending racial barriers of I had a caller the first caller I got when I started discussing these issues on Friday and in every way respectful and honoring and appreciative. No way, mean-spirited or angry or reactionary, and he said to me, listen as an African-American was the first thing we want to some empathy. We want to know that when our communities hurting when we see what to us is another example of police brutality that you're hurting with us that you understand our pain and then I think my last caller yesterday said that that he's been mainly in large white churches as a black man and that he's never once heard a word from the pulpit when there is been great trauma and pain in the African-American community. So it was that same call for sin could you at least understand our paints your senates as a starting point for it or not, but a lot of white churches that I really respect the people talk about moral value and yet racism never comes up in an American is one who originally married a lot of white friend that sort of pains me that you know the problem I see you're going to think of as a moral issue and so yeah that's why think sometimes just talking and listening to one another to help us more sensitive brothers got a more major large philosophical question posed as George Nancy come back here in the line of fire. Hey friends, this is Michael Brown I would encourage you to join our support team today become a torchbearer. One of our regular monthly support as it enables us to broadcast a lot of fire in America and around the world and all. Every month we sold back into any many different ways join our team become a torch for Askar to run a SK crown.org, click on donate.

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His most recent Michael Emerson transcending barriers and Prof. Yancey writes frequently on the stream stream.org very relevant columns to what's happening in our world today. So Prof. a little bit larger issue. I got a call the other day from a gentleman from Tanzania and Kenya and others in the states.

So he calls himself AAA African African-American and he's echoed with quite a few other callers who said that have come over from Africa the jury other countries and he said you we have a very different demographic we we haven't experienced some of the same problems that others historic African-American communities have experienced here in the states were better educated. We have more opportunities and universities in the workplace and things like that and it it it made me think further. Okay background and choose small minority in America have a very power prominent role other minority say Asian Americans have done quite well academically succeeded in other ways, business, etc. if you look at see a tiny demographic of the pop up population. Those who identify as gay and lesbian under 3% and you have a tremendous influence and clout in America. In many ways I feel are negative but undeniable influence and clout and yet you have the breakdown of the African-American family you have this minority still struggling and it the only thing I look at is okay. Have government policies well further things even if they're willing to have.

They contributed to the demise there. There's got to be one reason that this demographic in our society seems uniquely Down.

That seems uniquely held back its troubled me for years. I don't know that I have answers and solutions, but I'm sure it's something you spoke of studying thought about as well. Any insight on this.

You're not a multifaceted issue and it is hard and Fort Harper we have to really go into it, limit say that multiple factors try explain the situation African-American and rated applicant illustrates something. It's not just about wax can, but it's also about a history you know that that there that has impacted aftermarket after the comet come here recently. Don't have that history here in the United States and is your current day to do better economically and educationally African-American. They tend to have attitudes that are more in keeping with the majority group that after American so we look at our history then you get more of an understanding that to why aftermarket struggle is government policy, part history.

Yeah, in some way that you might suspect, but in other ways you may not much there was a policy with them to remember the name of it due to housing and basically what it was you it was the purpose of it was to make housing cheaper for people to buy home. The practical reality was.

It was used to give Americans to keep them out of white neighborhoods and help to perpetuate religious segregation of the Federal Housing Authority act FFF policy so it also the government policies have had a part of it, but it's not the only thing there is. There is many different dynamics that impacted after American to create the Arthur situation in Marin and from the attitude we have the trust we have of police and of the medical field and at the nature have come from that multifaceted multifaceted history of explanation and as we sing, say, to the beginnings of the civil rights movement, illegitimacy in the African-American community is a fraction of what it is today, and again that's that's troubled me, that's that's raised questions of government policies. Of course there's the one narrative that this is just another way that white Americans keep black Americans down in the narrative is well intended but harmful and again these are there multiple factors involved, but I personally feel that this is our problem as Americans. Those that the breakdown of the African-American home, which is at the root of so many other problems quite naturally, understandably, to me this is an American promise is our problem that I honestly feel we got there together but I'm troubled in terms of lack of viable solutions. So if you're just an okay were when you listen to each other can understand each other for good start to take steps to rebuild not just trust but to help rebuild the African-American family in America. What water even first steps that we can think about taking yeah I bet that's a big question for how we rebuild the African family you know it's really an area not study that strongly far as I'm not carving of the data behind the following evaporative family but all the theories behind it. I'm not as familiar with them.

I do think that you is there is a part of our life history.

The impact of it yachting. How is it part of what happened culturally thing that I've seen in our culture that when you challenge through that too and so I never switch we come up with them and I'm not hundred dollars you're just I don't have like you to roll out a solution.

But whatever solution I think the wishes that include many things.

Think what I can recommend the look at ourselves. I will were doing to damage her family often preclude European Americans looking at both of the way our social structure make it harder for Eric McMahon to make the money for that he can raise a family. So you know I'm not wanted people I don't enjoy simplistic solution to conquer the problem.

I think that usually will do that within the political ideology to try to push the roof which is getting multifaceted and why you know talk about communicate with each other so we can figure out okay this what's happening here is happening here. If there is something altogether effective argument each other and pushing our one magic bullet solution on everyone else. Course I didn't expect you to give a cheap ass, and I know these are challenging questions, especially some of the thoughtful is you. We just got about 30 seconds, but multiracial churches come together can the church really make a difference in the situation under the church canon, and here's why I think we the church understand something that is not well understood. Among the more highly educated and if the property and I think that we understand that all people have a propensity towards human depravity, rest and in academia are our largest dividers of notion that we can perfect human that he was perfect by better education. Education is great but but it is a make a person warm wall.

I think that understanding can give us the humility to say look, I don't know all the answers. Maybe I can dialogue with other bigger things out that I don't feel as much outside the church. Nuclear is not to say in the church we went outside the church is different. The people in the church that thinking all the answers to some of the church, you realize I don't think we have more of a chance to figure that out. If we could bring up Christian principles. This problem yeah that's right and that's that's a great point to the end that Jesus got a run, but thanks so much for joining us today for traffic got less gutless, my friends, my bottom line today must humble ourselves before God. We must listen to him listen to one another and say here I am. We got some very special eye opening interviews that get us all thinking today right here it's time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown many times as a leader in the body of Christ. I have made this statement publicly America is messed up because the church is messed up and the church is messed up because the leaders messed up.

Oh, thank God for godly Christian leaders over America and thank God for millions of godly believers over America.

However, we must also mourn the lack of strong leadership, the lack of strong voices and like a strong commitment through the body can address the role of what leaders can do what impact Christian leaders can have today on the line of fire and then the second part of this hour, were going to return to the issues of racism in America does it exist, but from the perspective I think that will surprise many listeners, 866-34-TRUTH number to call, but I will be taking many calls to date December 4, 1873 Charles Finney made this comment. Brethren are preaching will bear its legitimate fruits. If immorality prevails in the land before the czar is in a great degree.

There is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for the public press lacks moral discrimination, the pulpit is responsible for. If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for.

If the world loses its interest in religion, the pulpit is responsible for it of Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulp is responsible for. If our politics become so corrupt that the very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for this not ignore this fact, my dear brother, let us lay it to heart and be thoroughly awake to our responsibility in respect to the morals of this nation. Now I recognize 1873 is different in 2016 1873 there was much more for Christian presence in our schools, the media, which would have been primarily newspapers and books and things like that was not as distant from the gospel as much of it is today.

There were not as many forms of entertainment forms of education for the sources of information for people so that the pulpit in that respect played a larger role.

Nonetheless, with tens of millions of believers in America today with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of preachers and pastors and Christian leaders with New York Times best-selling Christian books with 24 hour 24 seven gospel radio TV programs where roughly 1/3 of Americans attending church on a regular basis. I agree with Vinnie that the pulpit is largely responsible said for many years that if we had been sounding the alarm from the pulpit. If we had been preaching against sin from the pulpit.

If we had been glorifying God in his holiness and purity as well as in his love and mercy from the pulpit.

If we had been calling people to take up their cross and follow Jesus that America would look very different because the Christians would be living very differently and and it would also mean that we would been preaching against sin our own camp and I've said many a time that no-fault heterosexual divorce in the church is the Lord undermine marriage that all gay activists combined so against that backdrop, I wouldn't come back and speak with a special guest is written about the black robed regiments.

He is written about the role of American clergy in the American revolution will be right back. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown revolution that's good enough for that self bringing me the concept in my heart for decades. As a follower of Jesus, the American Revolution birthed our country. We need a gospel based moral and cultural revolution.

Today, can it be fueled by the same people who helped fuel the American Revolution in the late 1700s the people who were called the black robed regiments, my guest, Dan Fisher, Senior Pastor Liberty church in Yukon, Oklahoma. He is a national leader in the black robed Regiment today and he is a state representative in Oklahoma district 60. His recent book bringing back the black robed Regiment and is given a presentation she can watch on DVD bring back the black robed Regiment is Richmond is giving it all over America. Given the history of American pastors during the Revolutionary war. Dan it is great to have you and Alana far thanks for joining us, Dr. Braddock are will will might my joy of some of your friends some weeks back, sent me is a gift of the book and the DVD of your presentation and over about three years ago I wrote an article on the black robed Regiment. Having read some things about this and some comments from David Barton.

But I was unaware of all the work that that you had done on this is something that you been aware of always or did you kind of StumbleUpon or learn the role of American clergy in the revolution at some point your life and then it had a transformative effect.

Sure, I began to write about eight or nine years ago I heard about the black Regiment first heard about the black robed Regiment were talking about your I had my that they were talking about the preacher of the 18th century and got got out about that. After most of my life. Obviously I go again and I just found this amazing theory that has been literally Brought about either intentionally or unintentionally. I don't know but it been kept from a stroke I just go there and one thing led to the neck. Now I'm going over the country doing a presentation I actually do it. Can't Newman going to like some of the man wherever it knotted me down the video at the growing passion of mine. I will take us back in time.

Tell us about the likely Regiment and first let's ask the larger question. What kind of role did pastors have in early American history. How might it be the same. I want to be different from today. Well first of all we have to remember that the country colony or were very oriented.

After not everyone would've claimed a born-again believer.

But even those who didn't had a basic general back of the God of the Bible and the church. The church played a major role back. I would value the church was the hub of the fighting and everything pretty much revolved around even the secular world still had huge impact every character.

All I would bake 10 to 15 years before the actual fighting began in 1775, 76, had been preaching the principal of just and right government because they believed that the institution of government was brilliant, but the God created to begin with irrevocable body, the other can of course being the home of the church that I believe that you should preach on what we would call politics: government I believe you should preach on that just as readily and as often as you would click on the other cueing they have been narrowing the plea. If you years and then elevate the growing triangle grip of the British crown tightened around the neck of the colony of courtly and can provide their preaching to the point that finally court fighting began, and I yeah they were intimately involved with the role that the point up until only recalled the opening salvo occurred at Lexington and Concord.

So if you think back that this is before the time of Thomas Jefferson writing a letter to Baptists and Dan Barry Connecticut about that the wall of separation basically keeps that the state out from the church. Of course been turned completely upside down. But the concept of separation of church of church and state that didn't even exist at that time Wheatley is an overstatement of a very boring name John Wingate and it can be wrote that the father of the Republic not divorced all of the religion and that quote by the amount of preparation at ungodly.

Our founding generation believe they got copy of the malarkey that were being fed today and then of course there is not the issue of tax exemption, maybe that would've happened just by default but there is not a formal tax exemption, let alone restrictions or threats we could lose your tax exempt again concepts that would've been familiarized right after the founder near church father is like today we review the strike. We don't try the federal government doesn't try to pack right never dreamed of correcting the curtain back to George Washington and I'm sure you're well aware of your farewell address. Morality and religion were the true colors that held up the Republic and you couldn't have morality without religion, but it would've been unthinkable to try to attack Kurt later on Dr. Marshall. Even he said that the power contacted the power to control and ultimately could destroy or make bag. It felt like they had revealed the church, and another alright so so let's let's just wait into this a little bit more deeply. There is obviously the fear which is a justified fear that the church could become political meaning. Wherefore tromp wherefore Hillary where for this candidate were for that candidate were for this party were for that party and obviously the gospel transcends parties and you might have.

For example, the Republican Party platform to me is going to be hundred times more righteous a platform than the Democratic platform and yet we know that there is corruption in both settings the Republican establishment Democratic establishment politics in itself can have its corruption in them lifetime politicians etc. so there's a concern that that we can degenerate into of partisan politics.

On the one hand, but is there a way to address political issues in a way that is transcendently wind and we could caught the president. We call a candidate we can address specific issues but can we do it in a way that is transcendent without getting bogged down in partisan politics. I think remark I'm out of the public in representative.

Oklahoma but out. Right now Dr. Brown I bring are going the Republican market are going the current Democrat what's going on in court. I believe that both parties are nothing more than a reflection of the church might break believe that society to help or be be the unhelpful good vineyard of the church of the region want a cultured melting down around because of the current identity that party material really having granted you're like when you look at party platform. I don't how a Christian good faith could invite at least the planks of the Democratic Party platform. The topic of the crap but what were about one of that party for about have to remember that the founders again, political parties would've been foreign to them as well. Madison and Washington both warned against allowing political party in America because they warned what would happen if people would be more concerned about the party winning the network of principal when and if you look at where we are today that profit because unfortunately been fulfilled in front of our very eyes. I have to do it we have to understand what the principle are, but what does God look like. Ultimately, the gospel is the most important thing, but I like this trip, we must preach the whole counsel of God and when we fight the gospel. We don't get me in the plan of salvation we mean not only fighting men and women here are making them but we also believe in bringing heaven here our lives living out the part of God on earth follow year and we are working with couples are doesn't matter what the parties are trying to run for president.

That would be pretty easy to pick out you don't have to. You know you have to be a major political fire to know who you want to vote for the principal want a black regiment so critical because those were committed to the principle that by the time the fighting began at Lexington and Concord. The pastor led the man of their congregation literally correctly on the battlefield and many come off and fell.

They understood what was it I come back I want to accomplish two things in the eight minutes we have and you need to get the book by Dan Fisher bringing back the black black road regiment like a two things on accomplish when we come back and say it's the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks much for joining us pastor Jen Fisher who is also an Oklahoma State representative.

The author of bringing back the black road regiment. Speaking of the role of pastors and Christian leaders addressing the urgent moral, cultural, social, political issues of the day and leading the way with a solution.

So Dan to two questions. First, just just give us an example. All this will be is just the tiny tiny tip of the iceberg. But what kind of messages were pastors preaching that helped fuel the fires of the American Revolution.

What kind of things with a saying from the pulpit or one of the things would be Dr. Daniel where your 1776 election sermon map appears at the border legislature Creek government that the lawyer submit to authority.

God did not intend unlimited mission and I went from one act outside of God ruled the law manners written, fusion women obligation to speak out exactly what they did. That's why don't Clark Catherine Lexington with training amenities church in the community how to fight together at Boulder and when the Lexington battle took place. The Lexington Minuteman war led and trying butter after and a deacon named John Parker preaching about our responsibility before God. Our response before man in the night they can apply back to their situation right then and there I so so they were again not not having the concept of separation of church and state. They were not thinking while we getting political here. They were jealous, moral, cultural, real-life issues that the Bible addressed so it might my second question, the limits obviously the most relevant. What should we be doing today as Christian leaders every day on the radio I'm introduced is quote your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. This burns in my heart every day of the week unconsciously trying to write articles and talk about things on the radio put up videos that address the issues of the day. From a biblical perspective and agree with you wholeheartedly that the state of America reflects the state of the church and that the primary reason Americans morally and spiritually culturally confused now is because the church has not primarily been salt and light. What should we be doing obviously are not saying everybody get a trump bumper sticker a Clinton bumper sticker and put on your car and and and pastors. You should get everyone to register as Republican or Democrat. It's quite the opposite of what you're saying. What can pastors leaders be doing. What should they be doing to shake America today, while working with Erica dear Dr. Brown would help during character started Concord and fell. George Barna did a study in 2014 interview capital of the country acting like characters are not speaking out on the moral field of art, culture, and found the cop you were there for you territorial Parker attendant number to verify your offering. We get up to put the finger side. We have to begin to print the biblical perspective on on all of the moral issue. I hear Christians now hedging on things like the definition of marriage very clear in Scripture your Christian courtship hedging on sexual preference look extremely clear in Scripture. But somewhere along the way to example would not think we certainly not put the biblical role of government, but we both do not print the responsibility of Christian band up for Jeff Beck even if it means standing against the government if the government become ingested all we have a biblical obligation conduct longer that especially here in a representative with public good. People are very rendered finger.

Peter pastors and leaders like yourself must do what your program. Get on firing line and stop throwing the method can be uncomfortable or the people will never know what got good luck and no crumple company have and as a result, if the salt loses its saltiness. What good is it just to be trampled underfoot event that's what's happened that the crackling of un-underfoot of the church. The mocking of our views and convictions and remarkably even on on some level growing persecution is not compared to other countries but now that now the government and society actively come against us. And again I believe it's it's because of our failure to be salt and light in your heart of hearts, do you believe that through the powerful preaching of the gospel in all of its and all of its connections affecting every Arab society led by Christian leaders in America do you believe that the tide can still turn in our country either character will come awake their country. I revolution was led by a very small minority prevailed.

Qu�bec occurred on their side and I will owe pastors today would walk up and and whatever the call recruit and character like Dan, I do believe there is hope that our only hope of pastors do not speak up for churches will not bite.

They will follow their leaders as they are doing now and they'll compromise like their leaders do, but if their leaders stop compromising the people will follow bold leadership in the car only hope I don't yank what I remember from the recent survey pastors agree that the Bible contained the answers for every area of life.

They agreed with that and the congregants overwhelmingly wanted to hear the pastors address every year of life and yet the pastors were not doing so when you say people follow both leadership River I go I'm overwhelmed with people lines of people thank you thank you said thank you Christina, thank you for speaking they want to hear because as the world everybody's living in Dr. Brown what are everywhere I go. The crowd, how can we get our Talk about what you're talking about here, the people who get up and walk out on the carpenter, not the congregants, the leader everyone to get up and walk out, not the people, the people come up to me leaping because there pastors will not grant and do what what you're doing yet. Thank God for those that are, but it's sadly it's my guy when people thank you, thank you so much for being our voice. I'm thinking you should. There should be millions of me that this would not be so unusual. But what would you bring to bear the Sir is not just the theology, but the history because it's just something that most of us don't know. Haven't learned and still, because of the way that we've grown up with the separation of church and state mentality, sometimes still having a hard time bridging the gaps we got it just it's gonna evaporate in our mind that that nothing has a completely disappear and we go back to God's word get his burden and it's okay.

How can we be God's prophetic voice in the society. I'd love to interact further with you in the future about these issues and and I appreciate very much what you're doing a Dan Fisher his book bringing back the Black robed Regiment. I opened their chock-full of primary sources quotes out of the horses mouth.

Let us believe together. My brother for gospel based moral and cultural revolution and are they all right will be right back much more to come today on the line of fire. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown, welcome to the line of fire. We have devoted better part of our broadcast Friday Monday Tuesday today discussing race divide in America to discussing the growing tension to discuss the growing pain to discuss the question, is there systemic racism in America or other things that white Americans are missing other things that black Americans are missing. Are there elephants in the room that were unwilling to talk about so we committed to to make each other uncomfortable and we had some tremendous very very helpful very edifying very eye-opening discussions, black lives matter.

We played a clip yesterday for you from one of the guests on the Kelly file to said things that they got many on the panel. Very upset. Speaking of Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson he's been called the most courageous outspoken critic of the civil rights establishment in America today. Race let his father on a plantation near Teske, Alabama, during the trip. Jim Crow era Peterson's lives a part of America's history. Few have experienced. I have on the air a few months back to discuss his latest book, the antidote healing America from the poison of hate blame and victimhood.

I had not been able to read as much of the book as I wanted. Before the interview after the interview went back and started to read the book and and found it incredibly in sight, full and a very very challenging justly. Peterson made the comment on the Kelly file that black lives matter is worse than the Ku Klux Klan, so we are going to devote this next half hour to discussing these issues with Rev. justly. Peterson if you'd like to interact the number to call 866-34-TRUTH 866-3487 84 Jesse welcome back to the line of fire. Not Dr. Brown is good to be with you my clothes. It's a yet we we can that we can hear you what we've got all you have a stereo connection here rest so I think we're really loud and clear and what is yours I think you for having me yelp might might my joy sir and again I got into your book.

The antidote from early after the broadcast and what you've got a lot of stirring eye-opening stuff in there. You made a statement. Let's start here and just put it out there that black lives matter is worse than the Ku Klux Klan and you're saying that as an African-American minister so talk to our listeners. Well not live matter is an evil, radical, agitated group of people and their of their father the devil, and what they do and the reason I say that they are working to KKK the only theater to KKK medicine do with some black people was to hurt them in a physical way kill them. Whatever it it was physical and but black lives matter is still in the soul of black Americans by causing them to hate their fellow man there.

There there causing them to hate white people were there, causing them to hate white police officers rather than looking at themselves in overcoming their anger that starts in the home with their failing parents, and so will you cause another person to hate their fellow man. You cause them to die from God and Satan become their father use you. You kill their soul and according to the Scripture.

What do good as it does doesn't do a map doesn't do a man to preserve his physical body and lose his soul and so black lives matter, Barack Obama, the most of the black preachers and the so-called black politicians are killing the soul of black Americans and to me that's worse than anything that he KKK could've ever done to them all right friends we can give you the opportunity to interact with the Peterson he speaks with authority based on his background as someone who's been there done that someone who serves as a mentor to young black American man and races of other mentors to try to rebuild families. So if he speaks things that are offensive and we've had folks from every perspective on if he speaks folks that are offensive things that are offensive.

You can interact but hear him out because this is not a white racist speaking will be right back with Rev. justly.

Peterson. His book the antidote is a mostly hey friends, this is Michael Brown I would encourage you to join our support team today become a torchbearer. One of our regular monthly support as it enables us to broadcast a lot of fire in America and around the world and all. Every month we sold back into many many different ways join our team become a torture asked Brown a SK Brown.org.

Click on donate file. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown. I just looked at my during the break and their voices black voices protesting the having written Peterson on the air. Phone lines are quickly getting jammed with folks wanting to weigh in. No surprise what Rev. Peterson says it can be very controversial. I've had a number of guests and I've really done my best to let them speak their mind and then we contracted so written Peterson when you make the statements and you talk about black politicians black preachers of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, type should always have at the top of your list is in your mind, abusing and misusing black Americans. Are you saying that there is no inequality that there is no injustice that there is no mistreatment that that Blacks have a just as easy as whites in America is is that your viewpoint Rob, it it will what I'm saying is that in life we all have to do with situations because of a battle is a spiritual battle is warfare between good and evil so you don't always have situations in your life and at one point, black Americans knew how to deal with issues of vibrating blame in our racism. They then blame white people because they have fathers and mothers, and they had grandparents who set the example of how to deal with things but when the civil rights movement started in the government came in the family was broken. The father left her home and the government became the daddy of the family and the corrupt so-called black leaders became head of the people is so in in in that father state that black people in these black people are using them to gain power and wealth because we you angry you can't see the right way to go to friendly lighting enemy an enemy look like a friend.

That's why God told us to forgive and not to hate us so Barack Obama, Jesse Jackson and others are taken advantage of black people there controlling them. If you notice that Dr. Brown that you know see Barack Obama family out there shooting cops and screaming and yelling and going to jail and carry on. Karen, are you know see Jesse Jackson family out there. You know, see entities how high profile black preachers out there nor do you see their families.

The acidity many women who have not have fathers and to guide them who are really MTA looking for the love of a father and they are thin and those who bother to kill themselves while they use that to say, racism is the problem. Everybody have to deal with situations like wipers and dealing with issues as well, but they are let me know how to deal with it and it not for the most part in blaming others for their problem and I said Dr. that there is no such thing as racism.

Racism is a lie is been made up by the children of the lie the liberals the Democrats they have told black people that racism is this that people are discriminated against you because you, when the Scripture says that I will battle is a spiritual battle, a warfare between good and evil. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spirits and principalities and wickedness in high places. So when black people were attacked by the KKK.

It wasn't because they were black you because he KKK just them in a negative way and hated them and went after them. As a matter of fact, the reason netiquette the original reason the KKK went after black people was because the black folks were setting up the Republican Party. They help to start the Republican Party because the Democratic Party did lie in a setback people so they form the Republican Party and they would gain a lot of power.

They were Congressman and and senators and things like that and he KKK and in light the fact that they were they were gaining all this power, so they went after them to destroy the Republican Party, not because they were black.

This black they only came in later as we move forward in life. And so there is no such thing as racism.

It has never existed, and is used by the liars to intimidate white boat and keep black people angry so that they can act out and they can be used for whatever purpose of suit. So you're saying that the skin colors the subterfuge to sense color is the excuse for the things that are more demonic, diabolical, corrupt but what about what about the are hundred percent that Art so it's a wonder, what about the argument that when you when you think back to the early days of the civil rights movement.

The black American family was much stronger than it is today. The illegitimacy is much was much lower than it is today. The role of the father was much more prominent than it is today. Crime rates were much lower than than they are today and some would say that the whole welfare system was another way of white white society keeping black Americans down so two questions here.

Number one is any truth to that in your mind. Number two is if that's not the case. What has contributed to this deterioration of the black American family. Now that there been more civil rights well very true, but it was white and black, who encourage, but I post to rely on the government.

It was the white Democrats and black Democrats to so-called civil rights leaders, along with Lyndon B. Johnson.

They sent to black people that wife also. I guess you there trying to hold you back and we gotta help you by giving you government programs like welfare and other stuff. But you can't have a man in the home.

Jesse Jackson and even at the time. Unfortunately, Martin Luther King Jr. was born at two and a little surprised by it, but he was for that, as a matter of fact, Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican. Prior to agreeing with Lyndon B. Johnson about the social programs in a way that they agreed to. If okay if we give these programs you have to be with the Democrats so that's when Dr. King swished over from Republican to Democrat and they took the fathers out and Eve understand if you could remove that father from their wife and the children you can take. You can do whatever you want with the women and children it because they need somebody to take care of them so they took the man out when he took a bow.

They took the spiritual head of the wife and children away. They took the provider away. They took the one who bring love and to love into the family because there is a spiritual order to live in that order is God in Christ Christ and man man and woman and woman over children so that love come down from God through Christ through the man to do. Why two children when they took that man out love left as well. The mothers became very angry and took it out on the children, causing them to hate, children to resent them. And as you know, you become like what you hate it instead of forgiven, they blame it on the white man will have, how was anybody able to quote take the black man out of the home. How was actually done by telling them that they go to get this free money they go get free food stamp they going to get this but were not going to give it to you. If you have a husband and and in some cases the husbands were still around, but when the social worker and that Tammy Cardwell file welfare worker, row, the husband will leave the house and pretend that the why would petitioner need to have a husband but they did it for the money, which also allowed the leadership to gain power over black people God like this� Let's grab some calls and folks you can agree with every word Pearson said you can disagree with every word were having a discussion putting the issues out on the table. Obviously plenty people look at some of that's different white male looks at the black man's is your different your skin colors different your backgrounds different. They judge them like relics of the white man. Same thing can happen minorities in a culture can easily get judged but Rev. Peterson is talk about something deeper when he talks about the issues of racism. I let's go to Dallas, Texas, James, welcome to the line of fire along I James and well. Thank you all will head Dr. Brown a little while about work and really respect your opinion on different to bring about very good conversation. I was back then and get all agree with everything that black man I'm a black male, ornate, almost 60 years old and were talking about racism which does a great disagree with what you call us. We can like you say, we can amicably I've experienced what a single and five being in the United States on here.

The instruction of you not whether was a battle feel or the enemy, Satan, and that slavery was very inkjet that came from the white population. Ever since then white population has ruled legislation just injected in the atmosphere of America Inc. that look mature, and mention bacon bacon provided all of those programs will read because they wanted to buy the black power of the slot and that is that I James. Please stay right there and finish your thought on the other side of the brave men, living Peterson response sir. Thank you for being a regular faithfulness and thank you for the kind words. Thank you much appreciated her plan by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, let me make this 1.3 back on James from Dallas and my guest resistively.

Peterson. I do hope if you been listening you been able to catch a lot of the discussion we've had with had many different perspectives. And I think it's been tremendously helpful for listening audience written Peterson's book, the antidote you will find to be just that it speaks of the solution.

It speaks of the very real problems in speaks of solutions and practical biblical way just want to mention that. So James and Dallas.

Thanks again for your kind words and for being so respectful in your your differences because these are is a hot button difficult issues. So if you just finish your comments written Peterson and he can respond that would be terrific. You so about and I'll be buried white people of Arab control and America. They've gotten everything thrown out. They got Lance all up at Walmart that are on the ground that they claim are there areas of dollars trillion of millions of dollars so the black man has always been behind the scene as far as economic is concern or trying to catch up. You still don't have quality in the United States other countries. The United States does not have quality and the black man black man is rooted out within the black culture in our culture from the family. They instituted that for a reason. It's not fair like the brothers.

God said in his word.

If you don't repair if the white folks that brought us over here to America don't repent of what they did years ago. This society will be left to his own devices and that what you stand at the base culture of the Paris and asked God to cover and to bless United States and the trains the heart of the people that are in control of America and I love your show.

But I got a math course which is a James. Thank you James. Were you raised by your father and mother also outlays just by my father is you Dr. that's the problem. James did not have the love of his father, mother and so he can't see what's really going on because we don't have that you become angry you don't realize that you are blind and can't see. First of all, it was the African black African but you know, Rich, popular black Africans who so other black people to the Arabs and it was the Arabs who sold black Americans to other folks around the world. And secondly, black put black people are not the only ones who been a slave most cultures have been enslaved by somebody at some point and then thirdly, if we are children of God. We are supposed to forgive and love our enemies and love me just don't hate them because we don't hate them.

Then God will open up doors for you.

You will see that it has nothing to do it, every opportunity unity he will provide for you. They will come. I personally grew up on a plantation in Alabama, a barely educated, but because I love was right with all my heart, so there might and I love God, along with nothing else and I united will wear a lot of money but have done very well because my grandparents taught me to work. They were good example of that. They show me how to save money along the way. So when opportunity, to invest, you can invest.

They encourage us by the land. Make sure you buy a house and when I was going on. Long story short, Arab, black friends of mine who parents old land and they still own the land in a pattern onto their children. I have uncle and aunt what much is my aunt that he married a guy and they have something like 13 or 14 kids growing up in the same time I was and nodded their kids had to go to the con feel they all went to college, they graduated from college. Every one of them and that was back during the Jim Crow time and with because black Americans had character, they believe in God, they believe in family they did hate their fellow man, and that kept them going. But today, most black people hate white folks and they will you hate somebody you are angry and you blame someone else for your problem you feel like a victim. And that's what James a lot right now. No start. James you go ahead and respond to it yet but I will be very low so I'm not bitter. I make almost $70,000 or myself up. I believe in God and I believe that God why are you blaming a white male, why not tear the other black to do the same thing. And and I love my white brothers alone.

I don't usually brother. I love all people.

God says to love all people giving them does not mean that you ignore or that you ignore what's going on in the culture of death. The conversation went out talking about forgiveness were talking about. That's what we should lay talking about because it will not be able to forgive you know you will just delay Stefan went with James and when I try my forgiveness. I think he means is of course we have to forgive but if you're still an ongoing injustice in the society were an ongoing inequality that has to be addressed is you cannot forgive history. Dr. that's archery hello is not genuine is an illusion is that some guy yet. There's our life. You are not doing this just heard you're going to and that your point and I respectfully disagree with your point, but what I'm saying. Racism still exists in the a few of us or a fear of the black have come up with you about have been ever managed to hold onto out in God and believe in the Scriptures because God never intended us to be abundantly down here on this earth. You did it.

If in the afterlife would be helping which will be helping others for salvation. Well, think about blind eyes matter is not your group. No sir, I believe lab man is not evil shortly. You ask a question, please let me answer the question, I believe. I believe that black lives matter is an institution that came about because of the evil of what happened. Evil begets that the word of God for being as big as I know you probably can't be right on time. I want to ask him something when you have live matter shouting what we want dead cops when we want them now. What do we want peace in a blanket weblike live matter go over to Dallas, Texas and kill five police officers and wounded seven others, and when asked why he said that he hate white people, especially white cop.

How is that good know so I did not say the bells.

Outfit evil begets evil. Dr. Brown knows he knows better than I you have had so many white on black killing in the last 10 years of all students are not absolutely none to have been more like Taylor that is attached to it of the discovery. I just got a jump in here right, here's a limited Robin Peterson if you're willing because my phone was totally jammed. Let's bring you back on for an entire hour will open up the phones and we can continue conversations with her with her� Is this a fair that's where Maggie about my website. What about you, please go ahead, go ahead and rebuild the man.com rebuilding.man.com