Updates on Israel and Islam, and an Interview with a Former Black Hebrew Israelite

She was a member of the Black Hebrew Israelites and left to story to tell. Stage for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience have resident of fire school of Ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. It have been. It happened early in the 1990s. I don't know exactly what you're been around 1993 I was doing a Jewish outreach Saturday night Jewish outreach in conjunction with Times Square church Don Wilkerson and I were working on it. Those days I was preaching for Dave and Tom Wilkinson at Times Square church in the city and we were doing a Jewish outreach. This particular night, Saturday night, so was in the Times Square area and walking around the city with a friend of mine, another Jewish believing friend and Saturday afternoon nice day out.

Everybody was on the streets, a member there Jews for Jesus guys on the streets handing out their literature. There were people selling all kinds of different things every imaginable person, this one hawking this and this was selling this and this one giving this away and then right there was another salvo that was different. They had a sound system was loud and I heard shouting and when I came walking up. I noticed the folks were dressed in an interesting way was almost like kind of a combination of a biblical outfit and it was some contemporary closing seemed odd as began preaching. I realize that it was a particular cult Hebrew Israelites and they had running to them in some different settings and dates of the white man is the manifestation of Satan and things like that in so I asked one of them. I said if if if the Jews were black then why did Hitler get them wrong so he tries to know what is it a try to kill Jews.

When I were really Jews, and he began sticks in a given answer and about how I walked away. We were done walked away and I felt the Lord save me, for the Lord say to me you're not done I went back and I began to preach loudly. I did have an amplification of these men are deceiving you they preach religion of hate.

Jesus preached religion of love. We need each other, black-and-white and Jew and Gentile. We need each other up till the end and calculate was that I was the only white person in the crowded. Anyway, things got pretty interesting thereafter but I've not had a lot of interaction with those who identify as Hebrew Israelites. Over the years except that we get more more calls sometimes on a weekly basis. Emails call saying we deal with this more.

Can we deal with this more. What's the theology. What are the beliefs will I've got a guest with me who's actually written about her own experience Hannah Dietz body and she was part of the Hebrews about religion and left and I don't know exactly where Hannah stands in terms of faith or gospel or Bible in general's will find that out I would just got a minute before break, but, but, Hannah, so glad you could join us. Welcome to the line of fire today hello hate tell our listeners the name of the book that you wrote. Document your own experience.

I called wire abandoned behavior, Israelite religion, a memoir flat belt help guide right in and how long were you part of the Hebrew Israelite religion. While I will thing out there. We are part of it for about a year of change that. My father is actually Hebrew Israelite ball my father. He, you know you've been part of it for the early 80 God taught us and you are a stay-at-home mom. So I guess we have some proof of that in the background and and are are you a person of of any particular face today are non-faith. How would you describe yourself out of Bama person bomb not been effective time right now. Got it all right listen want to give that context. As we as we get into things so soon as we come back, one had to describe from her perspective with with her dad active in this and then herself seriously active four year plus all experience is how she defined Hebrew Israelite leafs and got a question only give us a call 866 it is thoroughly Jewish.

Thursday will be right back in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, my friend around my guest today, Hannes Bybee. Her book why I abandoned the Hebrew Israelite religion, a memoir, self-help guy, so Hannah, I'm asking questions as if I'm completely ignorant of Hebrew Israelites and you can you can fill in our listening audience because some will be more informed than others. So is this basically a religion. Just like if I was a Muslim or Christian or Jew that I would become a Hebrew Israelite is it a religion with practices and beliefs like any other religion while they religion because the Bible but Hebrews alike don't believe that their religion they believe that they are defendant, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and they believe that they are happy to walk father in the Bible, but to me they are related because, I mean they read the Bible like the Christians do, but court and in their culture, not a religion. Their lineage is their heritage got it right was the same way as a Jewish person would say kitties my forefathers and this is my lineage, my heritage, but are there other meetings that you go to like stem go to church service unit Hebrew Israelite service and some is going to preach and laugh the ideologies that would happen. There are Hebrews alike. There are Hebrews alike who don't go to A major like a little fellowship among each other, but there are Israelite camp, but there are churches like their demagogue deflector samples are like the kingdom hall with the Jehovah's Witness got it and as far as distinctive beliefs, would they be reading the Bible the same as a Christian would so believing in Jesus and so on.

They they'd be reading the Bible the same way except instead of thinking that those who identify as Jews today are actually Jews and the people of Israel to their Jews that they are the real juice and they believe everything the same as a Christian would believe except they believe that the real Jews or the real Israelites or do they have unusual beliefs as well. Yeah me. They do believe that they Bible is practical.

They believe that the Bible for black people in Britain by black people and yet they will reap the Bible. The way Christopher Reed of the they don't keep the holidays after Christian Oakland Park so would they keep the Passover instead of Easter and things like that exactly the tabernacle, the day of atonement got it and II know that there are different groups in some some are more extreme than others, but they believe the standard things that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead, except that he was he was a black man supposed to Middle Eastern or Caucasian. Yeah they do Hebrew who do may believe that, but they don't believe it. The way to Christian believe it likely, Eastern time. They think that it pagan ritual right and yeah there are Hebrew who are nonmagnetic.

The liquidate don't believe that they believe that there is more than just want anointed punishment. They don't believe that G live audience. You are if the anointed person may believe there's more than just one North department and the client, then at with any Hebrew community where you have a non-nominated Yannick Hebrews alike versus the main Yannick Hebrew Israelite skylight.

The broth in the crypt audibly. One group of people happily like they had believed that they have a knowledge different or better than the other and that's why there's so many different Israelite camp because they have their own interpretation of the Bible and equity have all those debates on social media, but with a better one group of Israelite camp that are more strained than the other and that you have the most prominent EP Hebrew Israelite camp better on social media.

You have the ISU PK group. You have the GMS group. You have the eye you idly about monopoly correctly had been. You have the gathering of the call gathering of Christ that your PC Basically any have their own different types of think doctrine and I think the all class over based on their own understanding of the Bible right and the Bible for all of them would have some level of authority that was.

It is not really for the Quran or other books that really promoted from the Bible absolutely got it and can you join if you are Hispanic. Yeah lecture lack of dark panic bourbon back to me now monitor vanity don't really like the pale panic life panic. They'd bear more effective bucket of panic that I may not have been my glider complected panic who do it himself. Hebrew Israelite pride. What about a lighter complected black person. Yeah, I'm him I'm mad I may play a light for father is black and her mom's light will become like a biracial person on mulatto birth and yet they were fairly Hebrew person but both their parents alive again like candy both apparent the black ventilator father cathedrals alive go they thought the limits of the father that yeah like a person will be conducted and then Caucasians are reviewed as manifestation of the devil, or simply not the original Israelite sale Caucasians you is there hostility or is it just a metaphor. You're not the real chosen people where they do believe that their codes are what they are of little time have the Jewish Caucasian Jewish people up. They are not the original Jewish people got another problem, hostility toward white people don't have a problem with white people.

But of course they believe that the Bible is only written for the Israelite people who are defendant played in America got I and and what was that that to you into this.

Obviously your daddy involved is one factor that will treat you and personally I thought that being a Hebrews alike with the it factor. I thought that they were going to be set apart people mean that they're not like all the other nation and a drug to be do everything within the Bible.

He followed they try to follow all the laws that you think a map of the Bible, but you know what my father being Israelite. He's been practicing it supposedly like 35 years and I thought that him telling me at with the troop truth. Do you know where the original people I mean I was very enticed by it.

At first, and I remember being learned about the GMS and they were very half the people for women of color, black women white people, and I me I didn't.

It didn't deter me from not want to be part behaviorism. I think I will stay up.

Learn more about it on my own when I relocated to Atlanta.

I am not consorted with deeper Israelite and it took me to realize that it is like anybody else be happy flawed people like everybody else like it, if any prepayment or act like their better for many people when their community is really in sample shambles, and in what way from your experience. Well, poverty of one body.

Multiple A lot of disrespect for each other best records. Women, what would you attribute the hostility towards towards women to where that come from well I me the way they feel like women should be for the man who are poor, who aren't really worthy of being mean you have camp out there who cook Hebrews alive. Women are allowed to be teaching in this difficult description of Scripture why I think it book of Timothy Isley but you never have a really been a bottle like that in a while but they don't believe that women are allowed to be for a group of people and what they call it, but like with the Christian church will call the congregation. He really liked the quality of simply a body of people with fellow shipping and who are what have I got Elder or Moret that teach them about the Scriptures. Every every fabric, and I may have a lot of domestic abuse that goes on Hebrew community pretty much go on the because a lot of women there are afraid of being punished by the gravity follow auto and or they are afraid of being signified because if I go along with keeping original loyalty within their community and recently I was reading article about like a police officer with the Hebrew Israelite and basically with him and he never got to just jump in here.

Get this on the other side is the story house parties have been no more self-help guys come back up. When asked what was the appeal wasn't someone I light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown.

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Joe, it is fairly huge. There is this is Brown I'm speaking with Hannes Bybee through the book. Why I abandoned the Hebrew Israelite religion had a right before the break you were mentioning a situation with the police officer who was the Hebrew Israelite. We had a jump in there. So back to you okay yeah the tragedy that happened last week and we pop up there with the Hebrew and another guy who was a former police officer and they both took turns in the foreman who probably Hebrew culture and one of them had Gable actually both be her and get McCallum felt beat her into submission because they were thing is that an app like the work. The mission is highly stressed in the Hebrew community met your husband the woman the man of the permit for the woman one with the man-to-man to the mobile Ya whatever name that call, but most for the most part they Ya Yahweh, whatever. However, they understand the name though. Mark the name taught them when they were first introduced into the culture of yeah so she is trying to understand. Obviously this because of African-American history because the terrible suffering endured in the slave trade and slavery end and then hardship under segregation still issues that arise today for a black person to say hey I am one of the chosen ones from ancient times. I'm I'm original Israelite that could that could be empowering that could be life-giving. I know many Christians in there trying to search today have Jewish blood. You are somehow accusing a greater sense of identity like I can understand what it feel that way and then how it could translate out in some circles to hostility towards the white man for for what whites have done to Blacks historically in America. What I don't understand the Hannah S is a Jewish follower of Jesus myself. I know my people suffering through history. II know the times it that we have been decimated were people try to wipe us out in country after country after country and and what I don't understand is why would someone want to say you, we're the ones who were who were suffer the curses of Deuteronomy 28 because OSHA curses for disobedience.

I can imagine the days of Adolf Hitler say or another time when Jews were being persecuted that people would be wanting to come forward say hey I want on the real one persecute me instead. So what what's going on that makes people want to identify with the group that's been so persecuted through history. Well, I made a believe it. Being a poor father, and micromanagement. Deuteronomy chapter 28 coming they believe it effective 12 trot tribe of Israel and Judah like with the people who actually came here in America. On the relationship may be identify with the people they believe that that part of their affect of God here right like your mentioning of being on the recursive cobra contradiction, and when he say that they are cursed group of people beget and and they say that they were brought here for being disobedient, but yet they hate white people here. They hate the white premise be here, but if I quote you blame, wipe primitively but you also say that you did it to yourself because you were just obedient and you will worshiping other gods work following a wave of invasion and of how you ended up here so it would make any man yeah where I don't really agree. I have it. Is that right there didn't really fit well with me. Yet that's clear and because there's a certain lifestyle that's called for certain discipline when you have to live things are supposed to do not do you think this is any parallels to the black Islam that that calls young people are people in the inner-city to live lives of discipline puts rules on them.

Most people would would run from rules, but others say no. We need some kind of structure is this provided some kind of structure that wasn't there before, and that's part of its appeal thing about that because I made it five instructor Barb my liver right for free and eating kosher food and you don't following a wave of the crater that they follow me apathetic struck like an with them believing that they are but so that people okay in there for them and their culture. You know they're better than everybody to come off as very arrogant yeah and then invite if I quit trying to adhere to the laws back to the command of that Bible yet they feel fine and fail struck. I'm still struggling with in their walk because no matter how they try to structure and have nothing to give discipline get me wrong but they try to be a disappointing group of people, yet they feel, like fear into the opposite direction. You know, being cruel to other people, even if other people don't even people outside a culture do not understand a culture like that, but they're very, very critical towards Christian Jews and Jewish people even more than people can feel it, believe that the mobile worshiping only God is like, okay, great. If you have a plan in the you want was right but don't forget that you will feel a flock of the people doing you also make fake because nobody is immune to nobody if them for making the big thing yet. Paul said it all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God in minutes one reason Christians say we we seek to live lives that are godly, but we know that we need a Redeemer cleanse us. Marcia sates had obviously there is a lifetime journey that many of us are on but perhaps at some point in the future you your pick of the Bible, maybe three. Get new eyes and read it and discover some things about who Jesus is to be life-changing for you and in a positive way. But I appreciate you taking the time to share with others in book form. What your experiences the book Hannah's five EY I abandoned the Hebrew Israelite religion, a memoir, self-help guides and hopefully get a lot of people to really think about issues in a nonemotional way so that they can rationally examine the evidence in come to the conclusion site. I wish you the best in and hope that Jesus will be someone very special you in the coming years.

No she said all right thanks a lot. Okay well there's so much more to talk about so many things and obviously hearing how to talk with things like kosher that you know there's gotta gotta reach out somehow to the Hebrews likes nonhostile way and have some friendly conversations to things you know get pretty hostile pretty intense pretty quickly, but were were moving towards that. We will do that.

I've got friends more more involved in these areas front understand what what police there are if you go to climb.org they're accumulating more more information there. My friend James White has been addressing these things as well so hopefully be more more resources that can help people is the fullness of the message of the gospel friend visit the website asked Dr. Brown.org. Gotta check out my latest article. Prophecy about Obama.

1018. Check it out past.

It's the light a fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 86643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown there. There is video a sickening heartbreaking video from incidents and also the district into the core of his being your spouse today. Father egging on his four-year-old boy he's egging on the four-year-old boy and the goal is to try to get the Israeli soldiers to shoot him to shoot him. Yeah this is what the father is doing obviously to provoke a confrontation.

Obviously, hating Israel and hating the Israelis more than he loves his own son help Housing Authority when they released it there, showing that even a four-year-old boy. He knows you can't make peace with it wit with the Israelis, even a four-year-old boy understands that you don't shake their hands. Where is the actual video. The soldiers reach Ezell before they reach out and bases a little high five handshake that got edited out of Housing Authority but listen to what Prime Minister Netanyahu had to say about this. Sadly, this father's crime is not an isolated example in Gaza, swim summer camp to teach children to value death over life suicide kindergarten caps the Palestinian Ministry of education in Ramallah recently organized an event for students to order terrorist murdered three civilians two weeks ago, the Palestinian Authority's official newspaper praise teenage Terrace and wrote the this is a martyr is the path to excellence. Greatness is a direct quote Palestinian and Israeli children deserve better. They deserve to live deserve to live in peace.

Children are not common father the most precious things in the world for the most precious things we have yet which was so tragic.

I I've seen the school plays Housing Authority or Dawson school plays for the children are celebrating more depth. Seeing that little girl holding a knife in the father's interview what you wanted a precious little girl killing a Jew. This stuff is poured into them in the earliest days. It was a golden a year who said something to the effect that peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews.

When you are trying to provoke someone to shoot your own child's that you can have an incident on film that that shows the hatred for others is greater than the love for your own kids one more telling comment from Prime Minister Netanyahu to appeal to every father and mother around the world. I ask you to join in calling for an end to this abuse of children. The Palestinian readership. Encouraging children to kill. They must stop encouraging Palestinian parents to call for the death of their own children. It's horrendous. Peace begins with respect parents don't respect their own children's lives how they respect the lives of their neighbors. We must love all children should never be pushed to violence rates join in educating all children for pics. I cannot imagine that anyone who truly loves their children would not say yes let's educate our children for peace. Let's educate our children to respect others.

Let's educate our children not to hate. Let's educate our children not to want to kill each other, but rather learn to live side-by-side and yet the hatred against Israel so great propaganda against the state of Israel so great that many Palestinians will see that and differ with with the Prime Minister saying said no. We will train our children to hate you until we wipe you off the map. These are very, very deep issues when children become pawns of them. That is a massive massive problem. We will be right back on thoroughly Jewish and it's the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown to the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks much for joining us on this thoroughly Jewish Thursday, this is Michael Brown delighted to be with you 866-34-TRUTH them to call 866-3487 84. Do you have a Jewish related question. Do you have a Hebrew related question. You have a question relating to Israel and the Middle East. You have question relating to radical Islam. Give us a call 86634 I wrote an article last night. This is kind of old news, but I never addressed it in writing and I was asked about it again yesterday. I thought you know what I'm going to reply to that and it's it's a question of in Luke 1018 when Jesus says I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven is there a hidden prophecy about Pres. Barack Obama, associating him with Satan and therefore the Antichrist. No no no no no no course not complete and utter nonsense doesn't work in Hebrew doesn't work in Aramaic, and more importantly as Jesus is speaking to his disciples is not giving secret coded message in Hebrew or Aramaic to be deciphered a millennium later that we have have no relevance or meaning to people then of course not. Someone suggested I am article with this, that if you take Pres. Barack Obama and rearrange the letters you end up with an Arab backed imposter. All this he is hit does not hidden. This is playing with letters. That's all that is so where where people get this notion from that when Jesus that I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven that that the original Hebrew or Aramaic was actually speaking of Barack Obama.

It is complete and utter nonsense, but to break it down for you, and you can read the article in full and if you had any friends actually held to that wrong nonsensical teacher to refer the article at ask Dr. Brown as Kadir Brown.org okay first were told that even though the words we have of Jesus here in Luke 10 are recorded in Greek as Luke wrote his gospel there actually originally Hebrew or Aramaic that would be accurate. Jesus would have been most likely teaching in Aramaic, possibly Hebrew, but most likely teaching in Aramaic to his disciples, and so civil Aramaic is is an older photo Hebrew know Aramaic and Hebrew assisted languages just like Italian and Spanish. Her sister languages.

The closest to languages, but there are distinct Semitic languages.

So Jesus was either speaking in Aramaic or Hebrew, but in this case the keywords are the same so will will just leave so I saw him fall like lightning from heaven was the Hebrew word for lightning Barack go that's same in Aramaic. Basically Barack will see. Have a reference to Brock about just because you have a word lightning that sounds the same as the name of the president doesn't mean Jesus is talking about. Okay I hope you can understand that that the whole thing unravels momentarily. Anyway, but the Hebrew for Barack it it ends with the letter, Coles and Huber okay Barack and it has it more of sound in Arabic and it would have an ancient Hebrew or Aramaic. The word for blessed the roofer blesses Barack buckaroo blessed move Barack blessed Hosni Mubarak. That is less. That's the same word in the Semitic languages in Hebrew, Aramaic, or or Arabic and it's very likely that the name Barack is in Barack Obama comes from that route to blessed which is a separate route.

This ends in a cough would be pronounced differently than Barack lightning, which ends with the Cove. They may seem very similar in English, but there are two distinctly different roots in Hebrew or Aramaic, or Arabic. So that's the first thing that in all likelihood the word is a totally different word, a totally different route. Anyway, anyway. But some have argued that the name Barack does not come from the roots of glass but rather from Barack which was the name of Mohammed's mythical steed that would fly him around to different places and occurs elsewhere in Islamic folklore and that that's what he's named after Barack was the name of Mohammed's mythical steed, and therefore, it comes from that same root relates to lightning. So let's just say for arguments. Let's just say for a moment, for arguments sake that that that word Barack lightning is related to the name Barack is in Barack Obama.

Okay, let's just say the fragments were to get Obama from you. Don't something Jesus is referring to. Isaiah 1412 where this lofty being who decided he was going to be like the most high is cast down, and it's is how are you falling from heaven or hell.

L DayStar hello Ben shocker, DayStar, son of the the dawn when the Latin translator.

When Jerome translated that into Latin. He translated Hillel Ben shocker this this shining one son of the dawn with Luke affair, which is light bearer in Latin, which we know as Lucifer. Hence, if you look in the King James it will make reference to Lucifer.

There, but the hubris to speaking of light bearer, Jesus says, how are you falling Jesus as I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven, which is alluding back to Isaiah 1412 you with me so far. How you fallen from heaven old DayStar, son of the Dawn and he could well be referring to Satan's fall, Jesus, as I saw that either I saw that happen of before the world was created when Satan was cast out, or I saw that happening in the spirit as you were going out driving out demons. That's what his disciples go outsourcing for going from heaven but from heaven is Mischa my Mischa mime that's from heaven. So how do you get Obama for Mischa mime. You don't use it. What is what is Obama mean Obama means nothing, and Huber. There's no such thing as Obama.

You do have a word bomb in Beaumont can mean a hill, refer to the back of something or high place. So when the Israelites offered sacrifices to other gods or sacrifice to Yahweh in unauthorized places.

They often offered them on the high places.

Okay, so Obama is high place for some us again. That's what he was actually saying that I saw Satan fall like lightning from a high place and that's Beaumont no Beaumont in itself is not referring to heavenly Heights if he was referring to heavenly heights would have to be like on the back of the clouds and Obama just back there.

The heights of the clouds is Isaiah 1414. Write the word itself medicinally high place like heaven or sky doesn't mean that means hell. So when they were offering up sacrifice a high places that's that's was gone. Just as I saw Satan fall like lightning from a hill. Lightning is a fall from hell. I'm in the service to such other bogus nonsense, but the hope of putting to rest this Internet myth once and for all.

I'll keep going another moment we get the old from well well actually actually you have in Hebrew, which is another form of and so were total in some forms of you have before Obama so Barack Obama face if it was those as I feel my doctors near Eastern languages and literatures from and what you event actresses in Hebrew immunity.

Since this is so ridiculously bogus.

There 10 trillion things. You can find in the Bible that are more accurate than this. Okay even this idea take the words Pres. Barack Obama and rearranging the English letters to an Arab fact imposter. That's got to commend it than this nonsense is all it is all nonsense is a clear so if if you want to reconstruct this. And Jesus said this originally will will make it Hebrew. Okay is less like an army just for arguments. What he would've had to say is I saw Satan fall like lightning and a high place. That's what it would be okay. It is not what you said this visit are so certain fall like lightning on a high place now. He said I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven, which is distinct and different like Barack Mischa my or Mr. mime lightning from heaven, so the fact that this actually got some credibility and that people were na�ve enough to say Jesus secretly prophesied about Barack Obama being the antichrist this so I'll guess it is so ridiculously idiotically bogus. The Bible is not about that.

The Bible tells us the characteristics of antichrist. I remember someone telling me years ago Ronald Wilson Reagan antichrist look he's got three names, each with six letters six shirts six. That's actually less bogus than this one but they're all completely bogus about reading the Bible for says means days and acting on that think that is owned by the way tells us to pray for a leaders about praying the president Obama will be right that we file the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown back. It is a delight to the with you and want to take your Jewish -related calls will go to Karen and Boston, Massachusetts.

Welcome to the line of fire burned this to him about Roman 1120 where there all Israel will be great. Are you interpret certainly all Israel shall be saved. In Romans 1126 follows immediately on the heels of Israel has experienced a hardening, in part, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in Romans 1125 obviously the those who are hardened in 1125 are those who were saved.

1126. I understand this it at the end of the age there will be a national turning of Israel national turning of the Jewish people and that, although not every Jewish person in the world will be saved will be massive national repentance and the salvation of Israel as a nation.

I do not believe that in any way you can refer to the church as a whole.

Jew and Gentile together. I do not believe you can refer it simply to the accumulation of the remnants of Jewish people through the centuries and say okay geez you can say to the centuries that's all Israel.

It's a climactic act at the end of the age. Zechariah 12 speaks of it. With this spirit of repentance poured out on the people of Judah and Jerusalem. Jesus says he will not return until the Jewish Jerusalem Wilkinson back in Matthew 23 Peter says that the Jewish repentance is the key for the return of the Messiah and ask the third chapter. So I understand. Romans 1126 all Israel, meaning that although there's only a remnant that safe. Today people like me and in Paul's day, people like Paul and Peter at the end of the age there will be a national turning of the Jewish people and all Israel will be saved on phone or return character the end of the fullness of the Gentiles is certainly this is talking about the culmination of the ages, Paul continues. He says that the Redeemer will come from Zion and and will will will respond to those who turn away from iniquity in Jacob, so the forms of the Gentiles is obviously the end of the harvest Revelation the seventh chapter, a multitude that no one can number of of Gentiles from every tribe and nation around the world. So for sure for sure the, the fullness of the Gentiles is something that takes place at the end of the age fullness of the spirit being poured out some even say the Gentile world coming to its full level of iniquity.

The Gentiles and always will be. Say these are things that take place at the end of the age. We are not yet there. This is not yet happened. You are you are very welcome. Thank you for the call 866-34-TRUTH if you will go through Romans 910 11 and just read it through and ask yourself each time Paul references Israel, who was a talk about every time he references Israel or the Israelites is he talking about in my view, becomes indisputably clear with the subject matters, especially the right up to Romans 1128 when he says that right now the Jewish people are enemies for the gospel but but their beloved for the sake the fathers. Romans 1129 for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable so Paul is broken hearted beginning of the chapter for the lostness of his people.

He could wish that he himself was cut off cut off from the Messiah if that would bring mercy to his own people, and he says that they have right now the promises that the covenant promises are there, since it were theirs, but are there okay so he makes a clear visiting God's words fail and he says no verse six is not as of the word of God is fail, for not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel and not all are children of Abraham because there is offspring, but through Isaac shall your offspring be named.

This means it is not the children of the flesh for the children of God with the children of the promise are counted as offspring so he saying that within Israel within the nation of Israel.

There is a true Israel or a spiritual Israel or believing Israel. That is the remnant the remnant of Jews who believe. So he now uses Israel in a special sense, but there after every single time he says Israel and you count 10 times every single time he says Israel were Israelite for the rest Romans nine into Romans 10 into Romans 11. He speaking of the nation as a whole the nation as a whole over and over and over and over so heat he summarizes things by saying, for example, Romans 930, which shall be saved in the Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness, have attained it. That is a righteousness that is by faith, but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that will was made by Israel or the nation as a whole is not speaking of the Israel with in Israel and then 10 one. My heart's desire and prayer to God for them.

Who the Israelites is that they may be saved and he goes on, will jump ahead later in the 10th chapter of Israel. 1021 of Israel. God says all day long. If I held out my hands to a disobedient contrary people so who's he talked about when he says Israel he some of the nation as a whole the nation as a whole, and he talks about how the nation as a whole is under judgment and yet there is a remnant that believes that he says in Romans 1112 now if their trespass means riches for the world and their failure means riches for the Gentiles. How much will their full inclusion means he's distinguishing Israel from the Gentiles. Verse 13 I'm speaking to Gentiles.

He doesn't call Gentile spiritual Jews speaking to Gentiles is much that is.

I'm an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry or somehow make my fellow Jews jealous and thus save some of them for their rejection is the reconciliation of the world. What will their acceptance mean that life from the dead that he goes on to say verse 25. I don't want you to be ignorant of this mystery brothers blessed lest you become arrogant ignorance would lead to arrogance. A partial hardening is come upon Israel, the nation's old partial hardening scum economists on the entire nation is not for all time until the photos of the Gentiles has come in and in this way all Israel will be saved either provoked by the example of the forms of Gentiles on the heels of the photos of Gentiles all Israel as if a process is impossible to separate the all Israel here. Verse 26 from the hardened Israel.

Verse 25.

This will be my cover with them when I take away their sins. The deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob.

That is what Scripture teaches and then all Israel being saved is a promise of national salvation. Not every Jews ever lived. But in time turning. I long to see that day we sow seeds towards that every day of our lives to see Jewish people come to faith if rents have you signed up yet for Israel trip been thinking about it, putting away the money but you hate get your deposit and get your down payment and an trust God for everything else to work out as you go and you will have the trip of your life.

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By the way I was talking to someone about this the other day and they had no idea this was part of my background, but Brown was not the original name of my ancestors.

We don't know what it was we had some check and really get involved. Try to find out more, but would never knew might my dad wasn't sure. His brothers weren't sure they're all deceased now my cousins as far as I know, don't know, but we did come from Russia that that we know in the entrance of my eye. My father saw did come from Russia. Russian Jews.

My mother was from England English Jewish family, but what what's clear is that the name Brown was not the original name. It was shortened at presumably at Ellis Island as the immigrants came in longer names were sometimes shortened. I was talking to an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man coming back from India.

One time we were on a flight together from from Holland to the states and I mentioned my name Brown decides the most Jewish babysitter there a bunch of rounds on my block ultra-Orthodox Jewish area so they got shortened. We don't know from what we generally got shortened, there is a famous scholar, probably deceased.

Now that he was a scholar of what's called Carol I literature these were Jews who were very prominent. There is a very small remnant of the today but very prominent or thousand plus years ago they were religious Jews, but they claim that the Bible was the sole authority they rejected rabbinic tradition are called Carol Heights and one of the leading scholars in the world on this was a Russian scholar whose last name was no more an EMO white in the morning and what I was told by someone who tended to have very very accurate information was that when he was a boy that he witnessed soldiers killing a man in cold blood and were executing him and he was so traumatized that after that he was unable to speak it if he could possibly through great effort get words of the do so traumatized. The rest of his life he was unable to speak and when he was coming into Ellis Island and he was asked for his name. The Russian man behind the visitor's new moieties is dumb. He can't speak which is what the word means in Russian and that became his name and that's how the whole world knew him without knowing the background to it while the story with with would've been my grandparents coming over from Russia destroy that I never got to hear firsthand and somehow, for whatever reason, something that my father's brothers didn't seek to find out from their parents. What was our name originally because they just reference Brown and thought it was it and perhaps the goal was to be as much part of the culture as possible and that name fitting better.

I don't know.

But before he puts forth as its early years, there is a thing of rounds of the mysterious seven. There is not to shorten from something we don't know what and I don't know exactly where we came from, and Russia, but one that like to find out, but that's on the artist really come back a right to your questions. We've got bunch of a bunch of Jewish is related do some Islamic usually get to as well. It's the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown thank you. Let us let us go right to the phones starting Washington DC with David, welcome to the line of fire doing well. Thanks for every life that salvation was not extended out and let McCright that I did not come up with the lost sheep of Israel, questionnaire, how or are duck right now or deal with this salvation to Gentiles going to earthly ministry, questionnaire, how come Gentile.

By and large are excluded and revelation revelation of God to build more with Israel directly, and the 12 tribes of yet appreciate the questions. The first thing is that Jesus in the Gospels and in the teaching that continues into the rest of the New Testament is clearly salvation for the whole world. He comes first and foremost to the people of Israel because that's where the mission begins. They're the ones that have to receive him and make him known. They're the ones that have been prepared for the Messiah, so they receive him and make him known. But even his earthly ministry.

He's reaching out to Gentiles all the time.

So Matthew Tammy sending out as is disciples on a specific mission and say hey I'm just your flush investments are concentrate on them. When you go out, but that's Matthew 10. Matthew eight already you have that the healing of the centurion's servant, and he says many will come from the East and the West and will sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was the children of the kingdom, and the people of Israel and of them will be cast out, and he and East commands the great faith of the Gentile there and then in Matthew the 15th chapter where dispute arises about eating with unwashed hands.

What is what is happening there, Jesus then and in that chapter makes plain that what you eat doesn't evaluate goes into Damascus past that your system is what comes out of your heart, and he immediately goes from their travels like a day's journey into circulation any heels the child. The daughter of a Gentile woman and then comes back. That's the only thing he does is heal that woman and and commands.

Her great faith and that's first showing the food laws because that's what kept Israel separate from the nations any showing that there's something deeper than that.

And then he kind of puts it into action by going in healing this this Gentile woman's daughter and then the great commission that he gives is going to all the nations make disciples of all the nations, and then John three God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so you have this unfolding element. Of course, in the book of acts they take the gospel to all people, so he had a specific focus in terms of why he was here and and that was to raise up disciples among his own people, and to give the nation of Israel the opportunity to receive their long-awaited Messiah. Once that was done. Now the floodgates are open for the message to go to the entire world.

As for the book of Revelation there are events that focus on the land of Israel and there is some mention of the people of Israel, but Revelation the seventh chapter speaks of a multitude that no one could number from every tribe and language and it it it describes every possible way, and no one can know this is the revelation of one point talks about army of 200 million. And yet it says this is this is number that no one can count and that's among the Gentiles and that's a distinction from the 12,000 from each tribe of of Israel earlier in Revelation 7, which I take as representing the fullness of the people of Israel.

So for sure. It's a message for all nations.

Revelation 22 says that the kings of the nations the kings of the nations will bring their glory into the end into the new Jerusalem, so it's definitely for all people there. It speaks most plainly of the harvest of all nations were plainer than anywhere else in the Bible so again it's it's one of the exclusivist stick errors of the Hebrew Israelites, which is another tragic deception of the group of yet. And the biggest thing David's understand is, is that God's purpose for Israel was to be a light to the nations.

That's the whole thing veterans he chose them out so that they could make him known to the whole world declare his glory among the nations, to the whole world could find out about the salvation of the Lord. So it turns things completely upside out, but thank you very much. You go ahead and get them. A lot.

And one thing about nation that that intended to mean those who were. They were Jewish but because the of being dispersed at 1 June and undoubtedly you can help in order to build better stuck in their way. But I do know it may be that different reconciliation male anatomy.

When you look at Genesis 12 when God chooses a been through him all the families of the earth will be blessed okay. You don't even have a people of Israel. Yet, but through Abram see all the families of the earth will be blessed that's repeated and and then when you get to Genesis 49. The chosen ruler that will come from Judah to him will be the obedience of the nations so that's talking external Israel and in the days of David, no one's been scattered yet you got the United Kingdom under David and you have us in first Chronicles in Psalm 105 declare his glory among the nations. So who are the nations then it's only one possible group is the others. If those on the outside outside of Israel. So basically the whole system is completely un-biblical Hebrew Israelites system.

It turns trees completely on its head and it it with each you know when you tell a lie and after yet another lie to cover up that lie. So when you got this, the seriously erroneous theology.

You have to keep heaping up one error after another after another after another, on top of it. Unfortunately so problem is is I'm trying to look at this more and look maybe to set up some some good debates with some of their leaders that the problem is not to be on the side of truth here that's easy. The problem is to convince people who are caught up in the error. I remember one time I was riding the subway from the lawn mower from from the edge of Queens New York into Manhattan and there was a particular group that would get on. They were part of what I think was called the OnStar law mosque. They had a mixture of Islam. They use the Bible Psalm and then they had the teaching of their own leader they they looked they dress kind of combination of military fatigues and Islamic outfits.

They taught that the white man was the manifestation of Satan, and they had Hispanics and Blacks among them, and they come on the subway. They give a brief presentation and they try to raise funds for co-children's education and this one particular time I got into an extended conversation. They got on the subway ride in heaven be a long ride between stops on this one particular train and I was on my way into NYU getting my doctrine Semitic studies and we end up debating about the Hebrew language in the Arabic language and Semitic languages, and there was a group of young man's friend and they'll have to be people of color and I'm in. I got the stuff I had. So happen have manuscripts in my briefcase as I was on my way into study was in that in that 80s.

The precomputed days of got I got all the stuff that got tech seminar read them in the original languages is my field and every point they're making. I'm answering and the young guys there. There, laughing and smiling. I thought wow there really with me. They really, really understand because I'm demolishing these guys arguments with facts when they got off the train when it when it stopped that the young man applauded that I thought they were cheering for them out for me and I realize it's diamond with color here. Okay, you can switch the colors.

That's not the issue, but when you are sympathetic to a particular group.

It's very difficult. Whatever the group is any side to get people to hear things rationally and that's on. Pray for wisdom to expose error in such a way that the light goes on for those who are caught in deception and ultimately it's a spiritual battle as well because you give truth and facts some comes up with some complete voters will have the same politically known of St. that on for this candidate. Your for another candidate, and we we see the whole world to through kind of a partial vision and that's the challenge to get a pray for people be delivered from bondage and then somehow those who are seeking truth are open, at least, that the light will go off and pay.

David got a run, but thank you for the questions in a the leg issue with wisdom as you reach out and witness all right 866-34-TRUTH we will be right back and I want to write back to the falls. Take your Jewish related questions on this thoroughly Jewish Thursday if he didn't hear another apparent Islamic terror attack, this time in London, a Somali man stabbed to death an American woman and stabbed some others crying out a lot who offer according to the reports and you've got now, a Muslim mayor in London Sunday when a stay calm, for stay calm but can't take action as well will direct that the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 86. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown looking to clearly you wish Thursday Michael Brown thank you Wilbur for singing shouts of joy. 866-34-TRUTH. Let us go to Mooresville, North Carolina Tim walking to the line of fire. You're very welcome. Okay I have a logical about the beauty of Christ. But I like you give me some insight on how to enter a Jewish believer. Okay so permit number one is only God can do something only God can do extra variable view the bid act. Therefore, God so why would that not work to convince a Jewish believer in the next could be. Forgive sin create things all a number of different things lie without not working sure obviously you can say God alone is the Savior we have no the Savior. But God says Jesus saves that he must be God that there's a more fundamental problem that that would arise. I remember Rabbi asking me when I was a pretty believer saying to me. Could God cease to exist and I said well Psalm 90 from everlasting to everlasting you are God by nature these internal pieces correct by nature is eternal by nature is not a man numbers 23% to 15 God is not a man so if the syllogism ends with something that would be considered impossible to Jewish person and a violation of the nature of God that would therefore throw out the syllogism, that would be the first thing the second thing would be dates and escorted your beliefs, according to police.

He forgive sins, according to beliefs. He says going to believe he does these things. That's another reason why he's imposter. Why we can trust the New Testament because they're attributing things to him that only God can do so they would reject it they would reject the witness of the New Testament, they would reject the representation of his words and and if in fact he did things that only God can do, then they would say that all the mortar that disqualify him and disqualify the New Testament so you have to overcome all those other issues and II would normally approach it in terms of using evidence from the Hebrew Scriptures that lay out why Jesus is the Messiah and evidence from the Hebrew Scriptures that lay out how God could make himself known in human form. I also avoid just the simple statement Jesus is God because it to a Jewish person that would mean that God in heaven ceased to be God and came down among us like like one of the Greek gods came down in human form and lived among us were as we would say that God is complex in his unity that he sits enthroned in the heaven fills the universe with his presence, and yet can tabernacle among us. And that's why John one is so nuanced in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and the Word became flesh as opposed to God became flesh, which could be more readily misunderstood. So I appreciate where you're going with this, but from a Jewish perspective. These would be some of the objections that we come up what you are very welcome 86634 before I go back to the phones at the top of the hour I mentioned that I got 400 million more reasons to be grieved over America's deal with Iran and the fact that now cash in all different currencies is video evidence of this $400 million being delivered to Iran as American prisoners being released but were being told by the White House alone. Although this was not ransom payment exist more evidence of the absurdity of this deal that was made with Iran in that sense and in that area.

I agree with Donald Trump who said that it's more skills are seen yet and it's not just hundreds of millions, billions of dollars that that going to rain enhanced that these monies are going to be used not just to rebuild their economy can be used for terrorism in Iraq is as much a sense of what I do. We've done before, and ultimately be used for nuclear proliferation, so will come to some of the White House comments on that in a little while.

First to go back to the phones in Washington DC Damon, welcome to the line of fire tomorrow.

Thanks. Question about the ordering of the others. Love you yes and out, acting out about your backfill.

I do a bit of outright example of. The Llama no Robert Jacob long-term booklet limiting action eclectic of the bill. Not a lot known that our our way to suspect that there Jewish people to order spirit struggle about tobacco. I have to give her a light personally when actually done a lot of study there any factual evidence that the ancient on you male left on the Jewish Palestine and Melanie Otley came back not Melanie any rhetoric that you are that may be why people may think their arm back? I will happily yes Damon maybe another time we can chat about your view of Jesus is the first. Thanks for your graciousness and and respect and humility in asking the question, even in qualifying as you did.

I truly respect that and an honor that, according to everything I've read and study there. There is not evidence for the original Israelites being disability dilutes the say black is certainly darker skin than me is a Caucasian but lighter skin than an African from everything I can tell when you when you have the fact that Paul was mistaken for an Egyptian terrorist and asked the 21st chapter some silhouette within the close black male of the people of Egypt are primarily black, they are darker skin, but if you look you can see ancient depictions from Egypt where the Nubian slaves were black and the Egyptians were of a lighter color. Again, not Caucasian, but commonly what you would see in the Middle East today. There are certainly some mixture of black blood among the ancient Israelites and their certainly black characters that that occur in the Bible. But no, I see no evidence of it and by the way, I would encourage everyone every white listener to imagine Jesus being black is. Imagine Paul being black, and to imagine Moses being black and then to imagine them being Asian and then for a black man or woman to imagine of the white or Asian elements that we each pretties ourselves in one of the shoes and real and do not try to get caught up with a ratio identification or a skin color identification as our primary way of relating to the Lord.

The way that you would explain people like me Caucasian juices that there is a lot of intermarriage along the way. This was intermarriage where Europeans and others of people of of Caucasian ethnicity or skin color that they married into the Jewish people and continued among them.

That's it.

And you get intermarriage in different countries so you have Jews in Africa. You have Jews in Egypt but I keep looking at this to see any evidence for any of these physicians. But again, from everything I can see it from ancient inscriptions you actually have pictures and things like that you're looking at a middle eastern people thought for a lighter than air. It's the light a fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I'm looking at a very interesting document here on Thursday, Jewish Thursday Jewish telegraph agency GTA reports yesterday black lives matter platform says Israel an apartheid state committing genocide. I was surprised to see that. No, I'm not surprised at all.

There is somewhat of a radical ideology among many in the black lives matter movement and there is the siding with the victim to the point of rewriting history or reality in certain points and that's what is happening here in this official platform statement.

According to the platform. Quote Israel's apartheid state with over 50 laws on the books that sanctioned discrimination against the Palestinian people fled from claims Palestinian properties routinely bulldozed to make way for illegal Israeli settlements that Israeli soldiers regularly rested 10 Houston incision was four years old, without due process every day.

Palestinians are forced to work through military checkpoints on US funded apartheid wall.

You couldn't even get better anti-Israel talking points if you try. I mean, this is all standard embrace of propaganda and courage black lives matter.

Leaders to go on a tour of both sides in Israel and to spend time with Israelis and spent time with Palestinians and sit and listen and find out a bit more.

The history maybe visit some of the hospitals for the victims of radical Islamic terror in the Middle East and then see exactly who is who and what is what in the conflict, 86634 if you get a Jewish -related question before I go to the phones.

Let's go to clip number 10. This is White House spokesman Josh Earnest yesterday explaining why the US payment of $400 million to Iran was 400 million instant cash. What was was not was was not any type of a ransom for number 10 overzealous Iranian money and I think what is true from sanction from all of the money that arise receive since January, including from sanctioned relief which actually is we know is more than $400 billion. It's much smaller than the hundreds of billions of dollars that critics of the deal predicted but we get to that a little bit to the analysis that we've done confirms what we predicted is that largely that money was spent for to address the dire economic condition of the nation of Iran. The present was quite for gleaning in advance of the nuclear deal. Evening completed and acknowledging that we know that Iran supports terrorism.

We know that Iran supports Hezbollah and the Asad regime and it certainly is possible that some of the money that Ron has is being used for those purposes to all yeah yeah we know that we are can be funding terror.

We know we know and giving her all this money. This was basically said we know that we will be involved in funding terror and a lot of it against Israel will be Jewish blood and will be Arab blood and Muslim blood and other blood on our hands as we finance, terror, and that's what it comes down to. Yikes. We know there's more money than this before and you might want Wyant cash when Iran can verify this was so that the Iranians could say look, look at the good deal Righetti as were releasing these Americans look at the good deal will make getting out one more click clip number 11 instructors continues to speak. That's precisely why this illustration on the front end has been deepening our engagement with our partners in the Middle East to counter those activities to more effectively interdict illicit materials that can be used to support runs a plastic missile program more effectively strengthen the defenses of our partners at the counter Iran's nefarious activities. This is saying you're going to help them build a nuclear bomb to skip a little time to do it to help underwrite their terrorism and do our best to work with our partners against the tears of that's insane. Why why make this kind of deal will grow back with your call again this is Michael Brown. I want to invite you to join me for our second ever trip to Israel. February 25 through March 6, 2017 this is a great opportunity. I get to interact with you are radio listening audience. Our ministry partners as we experience the land of Israel together and it will be a life changer. We've got great price on the trip. And if you're one of our monthly supporters or torchbearers are eligible to receive a special discount for this once-in-a-lifetime experience. Space is limited. Accepting applications on a first-come first-served basis. For more information on the trip to secure your spot, go to ask Dr. Brown.org. Click on the Israel manner or call our office at seven 047-8237. The light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown for joining us on early Jewish Thursday. I do website Esther Brown.org and sign up will be a trip of a lifetime so unique in that we go to the great historic sites.

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Let's go over to Charlotte, North Carolina Greg, welcome to the line of fire. Her dark brown salon shalom. I'm a black Jew we get ridiculed a lot for saying that there were black Jew Bible of the critical song of Solomon fair Solomon and Yvonne were done purely because I am black, so he was a black Jew, which was the son of David and went with Greg Greg.

Greg just just one second. If you include Scripture got acquitted accurately. You say that was Solomon speaking there. Okay, you sure it wasn't the woman speaking no Solomon you're sure that I'm positive that all right, so what you want to draw me to the particular verse, follow Solomon verse one 1500. Don't look down on me because I am black and other black Jew we get ridiculed a lot by Christian evangelist of not Aviles of our I want to great and right right right you are you talking your you're talking about verse six. I cannot case me because I'm dark because the sun has looked upon me. My mother sons were angry with me.

They may be key for the vineyards, but my own vineyard. I have not This woman speaking there while. Then another point I want to bring up. Black people that are Jewish, Abraham, Abraham, Michael Mulder. We discussed children at Darrell front.

If he was enough color and if he would color hockey no magic people for the children people of Israel the same color grade you need millions right in your head of the Nubians. Yes, they were black slaves in Egypt and if you ever see a painting from ancient Egypt the new black hermit I record a paragraph going Nubians, millions of black and the Egyptians are of a lighter color. Just like in Egypt today, bring up to dark brown flavor black.

She wanted people to go let Manila know though the Nubians now here's the point that you be around. Apparently, about a Gregory Nubians the Nubians were not Israelites the Nubians of the latter, I season particular title because he was a little on the sternal man he was. He was lighter than you and darker than me. He was a Middle Eastern man, just like the Egyptians today. The Egyptians today and I can't write regular little instrument. If it were like burnt briar burnt briar technicolor on has not Middle Eastern or court darker correct okay. He also is is articular. It is a picture in a vision. What about limitations for that your priest really likes salon lamentations please turn your like snow Greg. I Greg Greg can't our first start off the Solomon you're wrong.

Solomon is not speaking there. It is the woman that is speaking okay is the woman that is speaking and she's saying she's dark and that she has been tanned by the sun. Okay, so her skin is dark by the sun. If you are Middle Eastern person.

Your skin is darker than mine and lighter than yours and that skin darkened by the sun would be pretty dark but it is not Negroid right.

That's the first thing there is a dispute when Moses married a Cushite woman in numbers 12 Cushites were Ethiopians can been upset because she was African and Moses and Aaron and Mary more happy with that.

The fact of the matter is, the Israelites were not Negroid. They were middle eastern lout. Let's just go to Revelation. The first chapter okay since you mentioned that here's here's a picture of Jesus appearing right so let's do this. Let's just look all right and let's check out the description near the hairs of his head were white like white wool, like snow, his eyes were like a flame of fire. Is this a description of just your average person's feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. This is a glorified vision were he shining like someone burning in a furnace. Okay, that's the picture.

Is that a description of Negroid. If Jesus was black man fine so be it Moses or the black man fine and if they were Caucasians find their Asian fine. It's immaterial to me but factually, the ancient Israelites were not Negroid, and in 20 fact, if you'll trace history. We can trace where Jews were expelled from various countries.

We know the communities where they live. Great wheat. We know this for fact we know when Jews were expelled from from Judah by the Babylonians we know as the communities they developed in battle. We know the communities he developed in ancient Egypt in different parts will we have their inscription and then you can trace them through the centuries and see where they continue right and then DNA tests would confirm this and you have some intermarriage along the way so that you have Jews in India who looked Indian and Jews in China.

The Chinese and Jews in Africa look African Jews in Europe for the cure. That's true intermarriage that the ancient Israelites were middle eastern so that's simple. Simple facts and Jesus in a vision here and he's got he's got a sword coming out of his mouth. Okay on his right hand have seven stores from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in full strength less on black. His face is like the sun shining in full strength that's that's much more white you can't deduce the skin color of Jesus from this picture here. Greg, please, I hope. Hope you can see the saw and I had a just put on hold for a moment, because two of us can talk at the same time but distant run. I reviewed Dr. Brown, Dr. Mark, go ahead here would like war movie. Another race that here would like African-American name me a race other than white guys light has a face that shines like this on a brown eye Indian hibernate Indians in Middle Eastern people is hairs like wool okay alive.

Dr. Brown FOI Greg tell you it I neutrality respectfully referred Ms. Dr. Brown when you tell me I'm lying, I got I got no time for this. Listen, I I remember we had a conversation previously in Europe.

Every time I refute it, which had to say so we can agree to disagree no no no I'm I can agree to disagree which are saying this factually wrong this and this Jesus literally have a sword coming out as though it's a vision in the sun. When you look at the sun shining that is that is bright. That is like white cedar make an argument, then that is is is got black feet, but he settled white fate. No, no, it's a vision and he's being depicted in these visionary ways.

Greg, why not learn to be a disciple of Jesus.

Put skin color.

Aside I could tell us if I'm white.

If I'm black.

I could care less if the ancient Israelites were white. If the black I will be disciple loyal to God and follow him as a Jewish believer and live in a way that honors him. I encourage you to put the secondary stuff aside because it's based on falsehoods, errors, misinterpretations all right. By the way, if you black. You don't need to be tanned by the sun. I understand you can get darkened as a black person, but you don't need to be tanned by the sun to explain the darkness and also tell me how the Israelite princes lamentations four were white like snow white like milk has that and now darkened through mourning and grief and ashen faced no, I don't believe they were Caucasian but you're not going to make these arguments about skin color to misinterpretation versus how I do hope you have your steer. I hope you have years to hear from a passive errors or select a nice guy, respectful guy pleads.

Don't be blinded when someone tells you something they seem factually dull, wire all right, like someone I really like that the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown join us on this Thursday.

The question the question for those who identify as Hebrew Israelites or black Jews before I go back to the phones. Why is the woman here, the beloved in song of Solomon. Why is she saying now old, it's to see which translation will I read this from okay let's this is read from the new English translation, the NET if the ancient Israelites are all black. What's the meaning of this. I am dark but lovely all made into Jerusalem dark like the tests of kid are lovely like the current 10 curtains of Psalm do not stare at me because I'm dark for the sun was burning my skin.

If they're all black.

What meaning does this have you get the point. She saying don't don't look at me because I'm so dark to look at me funny. Sun is burn my skin really drag with me. They may be the keeper of the vineyards last known vineyard. I could not keep the ID agrees with Billy Graham said many years ago as he was speaking to a mixed crowd.

He looked at the black since it Jesus was lighter than you look at the whites of Jesus was darker than you darker than me but but again I encourage everybody to think about a lot of them this myself. Think about Jesus. Think about the disciples and picture them there all black because that's that's how a black person is constantly confronted with Caucasian Jesus and Caucasian disciples Indo-European blue-eyed blonde hair, things sometimes and all depictions in us is that foreign or Asian if a picture that Jesus was Asian. The Chinese and Moses. The Chinese picture that Native American was just to see how you'd feel just a relates and arose okay we have to relate beyond those distinctions beyond those distinctions, 866342 of us go to Samuel and Winston-Salem North Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire and Lehman Brothers collapsed like a better my wife asked me a question and I couldn't answer. Talk to Walt call you find out what she said the Hebrews water in the desert for 40 years and I all the old generation got out how to do that square with the fact that in the Old Testament had always God living for like hundred years and stuff like that all about easy easy answer on this one first the lifespan had greatly decreased the really really long life spans were primarily before the flood when you got 678 900+ years were people lived after the flood. The lifespans greatly decrease and you know you'll have. For example in Abraham living to 175, but others in his family 137 in ages like that and and Moses living 220 minutes really really old Psalm 90 which is attributed to Moses as basic and expect to live 70, maybe 80 years. Okay, you've got a get Caleb in his 80s and he still going strong. That was exceptional. But the bigger answer is that it was divine judgment numbers 1429 in this desert, your bodies will fall, they die because divine judgment.

So if you were 20 years old or more. Solicit your your 21 years old, the children of Israel come out of Egypt because of divine judgment you to drop in a desert rock you live to be 60 because it had 38+ years of of laundry so was divine judgment date they all of them should not have died. Many of them should have been living. Instead, it was only Joshua and Caleb did so. The simple answer divine judgment comes alive. Short okay okay will like very much that your you're very welcome and but by the way, there are many many questions like that in Scripture we puzzle over and then find the answer is very simple.

That happens to me all the time to thank you question to ask, all right, a couple couple things of interest.

The Pope has made clear that you cannot associate Islam with terrorism, and that if you're going to talk about that and you have to find a Catholic terror and things like that. I appreciate what you say and I appreciate him acknowledging the misdeeds of the Catholic Church in history, but Isis and in that the Pope's argument, you cannot associate religion with terror, but the Pope says that Isis is better believe you can their their response as reported by Thomas Williams on Breitbart.com Islamic state answers. Pope Francis ours is a religious war and we hate you. So the most recent issue of the Isis magazine, the peak Isis criticizes Pope Francis for his na�vet� and clinging to the conviction that Muslims want peace that acts of Islamic terror or economically vote motivated quote. This is a divinely warranted war between the Muslim nation and the nations of disbelief. The other state an article titled by the sword's would be standard Islamic theology certainly radical Islamic theology is honesty directly tax transfer claiming that authentic Islam in the proper reading of the cross or poster before violence ended by doing this France continues to hide behind deceptive veil of goodwill covering his actual intention is to be Francis the France covering his actual intentions by pacifying the Muslim nation, they say, Pope Francis has struggled against reality in his efforts to portray Islam is a religion of peace. They speak of taking of the sort of jihad is the greatest obligation of the true Muslim and despite the obviously religious nature of their tax article states many people in Crusader countries expressed shock and even discuss that Islamic state leadership uses religion to justify violence. They say which of jihad spreading the will of Allah by the sword is an obligation from the Quran, the word of our Lord. We have video graphic on our Facebook page asked Dr. Brown. Ask if your Brown on Facebook if you haven't seen it. Check it out. We've we've got it regarded the pinned to the top meaning.

As soon as you go to the Facebook page will see it, but it is just a graphic about Islamic terrorist acts this year.

Islamic terrorist acts last year. The amount of casualties.

Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, the amount of casualties. Please show me the parallel in Catholic terrorist attacks, or Protestant terrorist attacks, or they're not there that are there.

Yes, the Catholic Church is been guilty of serious misdeeds in the past and there were atrocities committed in the midst of the Crusades and inquisitions and things like that but Catholicism does not breed terror in Protestantism does not breed terror but Islamic theology does at least one legitimate strain of it and Isis and hate were just carrying out our religion.

If you deny that is to deny reality right friends. Check out my website asked Dr. Brown.org.

I have a article by most recent article that addresses the question, is there a secret profits serious secret prophecy about Barack Obama buried in the original Hebrew or Aramaic of Luke 10 813 answers no, no, no, no, check my article so you can see this demolish draws particular special resource often are you there my bottom line for the day.

Let's not get into endless battles without skin color. The ancient Israelites.

Let's do it because citizens were