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So how does it apply to Jewish people today the Jews are logged on account of the patriarchs stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown I talk about a set up for early Jewish Thursday. Not only is it a thoroughly Jewish host Michael Brown but we are in Brooklyn, New York is Brooklyn, New York, one of the most Jewish cities in the world in terms of Jewish population and on broadcasting from the Feinberg messianic center of chosen people ministries will be doing a talk tonight 7 o'clock free and open to the public. Everybody listen to Brown WMC a head down to Brooklyn tonight or up to Brooklyn or over to Brooklyn. She can join me for the talk. Isaiah 53 the rabbis in the Messiah will be followed by live Q&A do a book signing as well, free and open to the public will receive a love offering to help us with our radio ministry and Jewish outreach. If you got a Jewish -related call Jewish related question Israel related question 70 with the Hebrew language and literature with Judaism and was happening in the Middle East. Give me a call today 866-34-TRUTH 866-348-7884. In a moment, to be joined by another thoroughly Jewish guess my good friend Dave Harward. You've heard David Harwood on the air with me before we normally talk about his book on God's true love and the subject of the love of God were going to talk about it from a different angle. Today in terms of God's commitment to the Jewish people. God's commitment to Israel.

Just a couple things. First, before we do this, a young Manchester College in my home city just sent me a funny email that on twitter, you'll get emails sent here are some people you might want to follow and they normally connected to your social leanings your political leanings or sports interest or whatever, and they see what who you follow what you're interested in and then they send you a list of people that you might want to follow. I did know he was on twitter. I know she was on twitter so he's a conservative Christian. Here are some people we think you might like to follow Hillary Clinton. That was a surprise. Gov. Mike Huckabee that would make more sense given his conservative Christian, how you get from Hillary to Huckabee, the so the three people list Hillary Clinton, Gov. Mike Huckabee and Dr. Michael.

I didn't see that third one coming. But that was that was cute. Also, also, have you heard that the the accusations that Palestinian Authority Pres. Mahmoud Abbas was actually a Soviet spy in Damascus in the 1980s, Israel's Channel 1 television reported this yesterday. Yeah, just yesterday. Now, to be honest, if the Palestinian Authority brought some charges like this against an Israeli I think is just propaganda. So the Palestinians are saying is just propaganda and I have no way of investigating, but according to channel one's foreign news editor are not hurry the famous token archive which never heard of before this moment By KGB defective Ashley Matrox can reveal that Abbas was a Soviet mole in Damascus in 1973 codename Croteau while what you know how to code them everything. If truth hate it when surprised with him and his his doctoral dissertation was basically a denial of the Holocaust. Just so you are aware of that. All right, what did the ancient promises of God in Scripture have to do with Israel today. Is there really a connection, if God set on them to bless Israel and maybe I'm gonna destroy Moab to destroy among who is Moab was a moan today. What makes us think that old ancient promises given to Israel. Centuries ago, in a whole different city.

What makes us think they have any application to Jewish people today and you even know who the Jewish people really are to take that up we come back. Pastor David Harwood. Paul says gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. He says that people of Israel.

Love, patriarchs, what does that mean to us today with right back.

The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, welcome to the line of fire Michael Brown here that you've got a Jewish related question give me a call 866-34-TRUTH 87884 before we go, your calls and will be interspersing this over this next next hour. My friend and colleague, David Harwood talk about the applicability of ancient promises to Israel to Jewish people today and David you've looked at this not just as a Jewish believer but as a Jesus centered man you really are. I don't say that lightly. You really are centered on Jesus and spiritual things are not one of these card-carrying scientists in and you walk in the house and there is in Israeli flags everywhere in which is fine if there were, but your sense about the importance of God's promises to Israel ties in directly with your understanding of God's love, and who Jesus is and what he's done silk help us sort this out because a lot of people thinking of your pro-Israel if you think God has purposes for Israel today that that displaces Jesus a recycling backwards help us sort these things out rather than going backwards. When you take a look at what Paul wrote in Romans. There's a lot of present tenses that he uses to try to inform the Gentile believers in Rome that the Jewish people were still important to the heart of God. And I began to look into this all over again.

Over the last five or six years, because, thank you for mentioning the book I wrote on God's love when I wrote that book in God's love. I specifically use the Jewish people through the Scriptures as being a metaphor for all of humanity, and I have good reason for that. The Jewish people are prophetic people, priestly people. An example of God's dealings with all of humanity in analogy. Often times of manifestation of how God deals with individuals, families, churches, props, even nations and people who blow it as well. Yes, and people blow it as well. But what I was challenged some friends will look using our people as a metaphor. Why don't you also write about the love of God for the Jewish people and knowing that the love of God for our people is more than a metaphor. I began to look into this specifically trying to find the heart of God for the Jewish people through the eyes of the New Testament, rather than simply referring people back to Genesis 12 in a couple of verses.

I will bless those who bless you, those who make light of you. I will thoroughly curse possible. What is it that actually was written in the new testament scriptures.

The apostolic writings and of course where you're wrong to his paws writing in Romans right so when you mention present tense. Let's let's talk about that, the beginning of Romans the ninth chapter.

What is Paul St. not about the past and not about the future but about the present were asked as Paul was writing to Roman believers, what language get your attention there. In Romans chapter 9 David will beginning of it is very intense because he starts off saying that he has great sorrow and unceasing grief in his heart for the sake of his brethren who were his brother, according to the flesh, speaking of Israel, the people Israel, and he is manifesting the of the actual attitude and heart condition of God towards the Jewish people. This was not just some sort of a Jewish patriotic he wasn't to simply of course he loved his people right where call to love our people and are you, whatever ethnic group you're part of you should love your people with.

He was as a up on an evangelist apostle, a man who also had a prophetic anointing upon his life.

He was in touch with God. And when God begins to speak and share his heart's disappointment concerning the Jewish people not turning to him with all their heart, the language that he uses in Ezekiel or in Jeremiah or in any of the prophets is one of heartbreak is one of anguish and Paul is saying here.

I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. Now he was not saying that this was just a matter of like hi I'm from Iceland. I love Icelandic people.

The best know what he's saying here is that I could wish myself occur separate from the Messiah for the sake of my brethren, my kinsman according to the flesh, who are Israelites. These are those who are not walking in the fullness of new covenant reality they are Israelites not they were Israelites. Let's just pause there for second and 960s is not all Israel is Israel and many people make that the last word and say that fiscal Israel today three people today. That's not really Israel to leave the believers within the nation, or even the church in general.

That's the real Israel. Now he does say that there Israel within Israel. That's the believing remnant chance you and I and palsy would be the Israel within Israel. But then the rest of of Romans 910 11 whenever he says Israel Israelites, the nation as a whole and here the onesies burden for who he calls Israelites those of the lost ones right so his heart is breaking wings is not always roses released about that larger Israel, not the remnant. Within and in what is he say of that they are Israelites, what else does he say present tense will again want to go back to this for the sake of the believing community to be in full communion with the God and Father of our Messiah Jesus, it's important to be able to understand and identify with his heart.

Paul is saying I am grieved. This is a manifestation of God's grief. Paul says I wish that I could be cut off God incarnate was cut off for the sins not only of Israel but of the entire world and one Paul begins to write about his kinsman according to the flesh who are Israelites, he does not say, to whom used to belong to the adoption as sons, but now it belongs to the church to whom he used to belong the glory. But now the glory belongs to the church to whom he used to belong to the covenants, but now the covenants are ours, to whom was the giving of the law and then the church goes ho-hum. But Paul seems to have thought that it was something that was highly valuable, to whom belongs the temple service. But now divine worship amongst us to whom belongs the Jewish people to whom belongs the promises. The promises have been taken away his. It is a present tense and this is a man who is in conflict with many of the Jewish people of his day as he sought to present Jesus as Messiah to them and then he says who's are the fathers not who's used to be the patriarchs, but now they are our spiritual fathers.

There's a lot of present tense in this. And then after that's those seven blessings. He then says, from whom is the Messiah of court from whom is the Messiah.

According to the flesh is not right yeah so now this is really again. They are Israelites, the ones for whom Paul's heart broke and to them belong the adoption not belongs right not belong along currently to them belong the adoption, the glory it's so the glory still blossom the adoptionist of Lawson. The covenants still belong to the giving of the law still blossom the worship still blossom in the promises still belong to them to let them belong the patriarchs of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, still are the fathers of the Jewish people and from their race. According to the flesh is the Messiah doubt that by the way, is an incredible line there because as I was considering this, and some of my writing in meditation I was thinking what this is supposed to be not just a fact. But Paul is trying to build honor in the Gentile believers for the Jewish remnant roof return to Rome and they're trying to work out issues of unity and is trying to also impart to the Gentile believers a sense of honor for the Jewish people.

Even the Jewish people who are not spiritual, reverent, and he says who's are the fathers, from whom is the Messiah. According to the flesh, that's intended to be like this is a high honor and I have a friend close friend who's a charismatic Episcopal Church priest and because of him, and other relationships. I have friendships within people and the historical denominations and who are involved with liturgy and I think what what would this verse be if it was from whom from the Virgin Mary is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all got God blessed forever if that have been written of the mother of the Messiah. It would be one of the most incredibly well known verses throughout the entire world but because I and of course it would been look at this honor that is due this woman, the mother of Jesus. What honor from her came the Messiah into the world but that's not what Paul wrote, he says, from whom his his Jewish brother and his kinsman according to the flesh, from whom is the Messiah and is trying to say look honor of these people.

I would say to people who are coming from a church background that was somewhat liturgical or who were taught to to appreciate Mary and perhaps you, of course, from my perspective appreciate her a bit much but consider what this is saying what Paul is saying is these people are to be honored and I am heartbroken over them that they are not walking the relationship with God that God desires them to have.

Which means that that same principle applies to this very moment this very day will be right back your calls, selecting 866-34-TRUTH 780.

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At some of those because words meaning branch notice different aspects of it.

There is no difference in awarding it. That same person that being prosthetic that right you ultimately these are best understood as messianic prophecies. Isaiah 11 Jeremiah 23 Zechariah 3 yes and Zechariah 6 JP echoes remarriage. They have a different wording that didn't branch. The lower right yet again that's their you might argues more shoot and send us more branch but they're both messianic types. Isaiah 11 it's clear it's the son of Jesse, who's gonna ruling rain and and recognizes a messianic passage in Zechariah 3 and Zechariah 6 will have in the context of the second Temple, Joshua the high priest is kind of a messianic prototype as he then sits on the throne as her as a priestly king was a royal priest. Okay thank you very much. You are very welcome. Much appreciated. 866-34-TRUTH David a question posed for me, why is God uniquely brokenhearted for Israel. On the one hand he wants all people to be saved. Jesus died equally for all their no favorites. In that respect, but in Zechariah when God tells the nations if he touches really touch the apple of my eye, things like that and in what way would you say that that this unique painting God's heart as there was in Paul's heart because the relationship is ripping the bride the Ezekiel 16 imagery of what would liquid convey that more deeply test. I think the thing which for me is most important in regards to that is just that God does not act out of relationships. He remains faithful through it all out. When I think of of of of speaking of God's heart towards the Jewish people not go back to Romans and says, but as for Israel, he says all day long have I stretched out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people. I don't know that I have necessarily an answer as to what this unique love is caused by I can say this though God is pleading with Israel to return and I don't know that we need to look any further than all say our Deuteronomy chapter 7 where he says, but the Lord earnestly desires you. He's attached to you not because you're some wonderful people but because the Lord loves you and I and and and and he kept his covenant. He kept his promises. And I think that sometimes we are not necessarily going to know why and I can say that I don't really think that I do alright so let's get into Romans 11 chapter and it turns into the chapter posting as they may be enemies right now for the gospel, but their loved on account of the father. So I explained that generational love and and and open up that passage if you like okay well the first thing that I want to say about that is once again were looking at something which is in the present tense, just as in Romans nine it says, to whom belongs all of these various promises and blessings, so also here it says that the Jewish people are beloved are beloved for the sake of the patriarchs. Now the sake of patriarchs, I think that within the framework of our culture, we can best understand that as suppose you had a best friend and her best friend had children or grandchildren that were going to be showing up in an airport and they called you but said listen, would you please I'm I know I'm coming to you not based upon a friendship would you go to the airport and pick up my children would you go to the airport. Would you pick up my grandchildren that I want to make sure that they're safe we can understand that this is something which we can understand because you will.

If we were in the position of needing someone to watch over our children or our grandchildren out you can understand as to how we would want someone who to do that for us what God was friends with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob according to the Gospels are still alive.

God is not the God of the dead.

God is the God of the living, and as such, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob still have a vibrant life before the throne of the father and the father sees Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and says in the same way that I was committed to you.

I will be committed to your children, and this would be the type of thing that believe it or not is on the hearts of the patriarchs. Well, here it says that these people are from the standpoint of God's choice, beloved for the sake of the patriarchs.

Now if that means is that, to this very day the Jewish people are beloved by God for the sake of his relationship with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and then goes on to say that the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable. Personally I like the King James version which says that they are beyond repentance that he loves the Jewish people, having given to them gifts and callings, and that he does not regret giving the gifts and callings to these people. As such, they are irrevocable so we take a look at the love that God has for the Jewish people. We can save this we know that at some point in the future that that love will end up being satisfied, you realize that earlier in Romans chapter 11 Paul writes wrote and said Fred do not want your brethren to be uninformed of this mystery, so that you will not be wise in your own estimation that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the nations has come in and so all Israel will be saved. Just as it is written the deliverable, from Zion, he will remove ungodliness from Jacob. This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins. So what he saying is I am going to bring this relationship to completion. These people are going to know me. They are going to love because I am going to remove ungodliness from Jacob. This is something which is real, something with God anticipates it something those who love and anticipate us and that means you as a child of God recognize your own weakness and struggles. Look at how God dealt with Israel and the encouragement, his steadfast love for you. It's the light a fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown, welcome, welcome back to early Jewish Thursday 866-34-TRUTH 780 call times of Israel reports Netanyahu thanks Christian Zionists in the Netherlands for support, quote, we know we have no better friends on earth.

Then you that's what Prime Minister Netanyahu told the director of Christians for Israel. There in the Netherlands and of course that is the land of the Corrie 10 boom's family there was a profound and deep love for the Jewish people, not because of Jewish righteousness, but because of God's promises, meaning that our love for Israel and our prayers rich are not based on how good Israel is or how welcoming they are to Jesus. It is based on God's unconditional love. Yes, there's discipline in the midst of it, but his love remains 86634 David Harwood joining me. We can continue our discussion about God's heart for Israel, but will take another call will go to Richmond, Virginia Nick, welcome to modifier Dr. Brown thanks for having me on our bed. Do not get quick question.

You probably answered it a million times but three were basically talking about Israel on the topic of Romans nine. I do thank you your take was when authentic birthday, not the children of the flesh for the children of the children of the promise.

I get in regards to election yeah David you like to comment and it not also the right signs so let's let's first see what Paul is and is insane.

He's time of those who are the recipients of of the promise regarding the Messiah right what would have been expected would be that the Messiah came to the Jewish people. The Jewish people receive the Messiah and now they made it known to the world, whereas the Jewish nation by large rejected the Messiah, which caused people to wonder what did the word of God failed right that would be a logical question may be something went wrong. So Paul, six. Explaining that no always through history into the state is a remnant who believes there is a remnant within the nation has received the promises has believed and what happened in the past have is happened to this very day. So he Dow demonstrates that that the nation as a whole, which he still calls Israel still recognizes this is called by God and loved by God that they have not been the recipients of the promise.

Hence, this means it is not the children of the flesh or the children of God, meaning those who are in relationship with him through Jesus the Messiah, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring collective.

I think it is important to say that unless you have an understanding of Paul's belief in a godly remnant that comes right out from Isaiah and other places I mean were talking about a very defined theology of the godly remnant in the midst of the chosen people who are being used by God to preserve them just as right now the church is being used as a remnant people from all the nations of the earth in order to preserve our nations so when Paul if if you don't understand the Paul highly valued. This concept of the remnant saw himself and the other apostles and the of the Jewish believers of the VRP 70 A.D. Jewish believing a messianic Jewish believing community as being this preserving remnant you cannot understand what it is that he's writing in Romans because his understanding of the godly remnant is foundational to what it is that he's trying to say absolutely.

So working to finish answering that on the other side of the breakneck, but that the short answer is this that you can be called by God nationally and only have a remnant within the nation actively receiving the promises and the full benefits of Paul's saying is that at the end of the age there will be a kerning so that the nation as a whole that is been rejecting the Messiah will turn towards him like that number and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown is counted amazing Michael Brown that is 30 Jewish Thursday sitting with my friend David Harwood of Brooklyn, New York and ready for event tonight at the Feinberg messianic center right in the heart of Jewish Brooklyn is usually call give me a call at eight that usually question you may call 866-34-TRUTH 7884. Suggest we go back to Nick in Richmond sitting with Dave Harwood and we talk about Romans nine through 11, Nick, is there anything in particular troubling you, and Paul's wording that would suggest to you that an Israelite who does not believe in Jesus as the Messiah is somehow no longer part of Israel were no longer part of the general promises to the nation. Specifically, I was just more accurate your view on it's partly electric goes with it. It apartment on the day that God will have mercy on whom he has mercy and how that basically plates on the election.

The Jews and by election. Do you mean to eternal salvation. Specifically, yet yeah okay so again in short, there promises given to the nation as a whole and whether Israel believes are not those promises still apply. Another which God will preserve the Jewish people until the end with the Jews believe in him or not there will be regathering back to the lender has been and will continue to be whether whether or not the Jews believe in him that they come back to an ugly fight. The modern state of Israel was founded by by atheists and Communists in the unlikely, unlikely pioneers yet that's that's what God did, in whom he works through so there's that election which stands regardless okay and that does not guarantee salvation as to those who are believers of Romans tells us how one gets in. That's my faith. In other words, I see the references to chosen this in Romans right Jacob I loved Esau I hated having to do with service not the salvation because Jacob I loved Esau I hated.

That's a quote from Malachi 1, which is speaking to the nations in all of Israel was not saved and all of Edom is not lost. So the election there is to service so I don't see that as an election to salvation Romans is laid out quite emphatically. It's not by works. It's my faith. And whoever believes will be saved even play set out and in the 10th chapter as well so I don't see this in in a Calvinistic way is a predetermined election. Some God's chosen salvation of this damnation is chosen, the nation of Israel as a whole for his purposes, and those who put their faith in Jesus the Messiah will be saved. In that sense will be part of of the elect to have eternal life, and other references. Again, I don't see it even raising of Faro Imus. It is a salvation issue, but an issue of how God was going to work through him and raced up a hard man and made them even harder to demonstrate his glory through the earth.

So anyway, I appreciate it and that's my take an understanding out and it seems to work well as I read through all of Romans. He gets into Romans 11 God have mercy on all who Jew and Gentile PC. Stop all men to unbelief that he may have mercy on them all, David, the images, having just read through the prophetic books again recently, I was struck especially in Ezekiel with the graphic language of of the images there and and Israel's unfaithfulness to God a minute, it's literally whoring after the other neighbors, even the details of it you know it's it's graphic the way it's laid out what is conveyed to us in terms of God's heart will for my perspective, not just Ezekiel, but all of the exilic profits were brought into place of grief and loneliness.

We have your expert on on Jeremiah. In particular, and that man is a celibate you have Daniel who most likely was a eunuch. You have Ezekiel, who is a widower and God is looking for people who will be able to identify with him in his grief and his loneliness.

Whether it be like expense like it's been so long since she has been with me. It's been so long since I have been with her. She is turned away.

She is turned away or show and Ezekiel's case, she sees the hide is like God looking for people who identify with his heart right back to what we are mentioning the beginning of your program. Paul identifying with God's heart saying I am filled with grief. I am filled with unceasing anguish for for Israel for the Jewish people from those of Israel who have not come to a saving knowledge of God through the Messiah are we. We have another trip to Israel. February 25 to March 6 and one thing that you will get on the trip. It is many things Israel does and in a good way and and ways that Israel is trying to deal righteously and in difficult situations and and Inigo meet Jewish believers in the landfill and we are believers, but but certainly it is a pro-Israel trip. It's not wanted to raise hostility to the Jewish people. He Jewish state, but the fact of the matter is Jewish people are far like everybody else. Jewish people human beings so wonderful qualities terrible qualities, that's just the way it is and you have that you have Jewish Mafia or organ or whatever it's called your guy Jewish drug dealers. You've got prostitution issues and is really got yet the world and then you have the very religious, some of whom are hypocrites just like in the church right so the more we understand how deeply God of Israel. Israel strength that should mean to me than that my commitment to pray for Israel of Israel is not based how good is real is in other words, if there is bad news and Israel mistreats Palestinians okay.

I hate that as a Jew in a similar stance with Israel as a friend. I will address that that doesn't lessen my letter commitment with all Christians have to almost make Israel into like so supernatural and wonderful and beautiful to lovers. It's really the opposite of God's heart right will, in Romans 11 it says the deliverable come from Zion who will remove ungodliness from Jacob. This is my covenant with them when I take away their sin. So when the Lord comes again, there is going in there there's going to be ungodliness which needs to be removed now by the way many people who read those verses don't go back to see of the context of what Paul was referencing Chris a lot of times when Paul will quote something from the from the Hebrew Scriptures is expecting people who are learned at that time to understand the entire context and hear what we have is the end of Isaiah Isaiah 59 the blue of Paul putting these verses together looking to Isaiah 59 the deliverer of the Redeemer will come of to design. In this case from Zion, he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.

This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins, and then the very next chapter he says. Isaiah says, arise shine, for your light has come and the nations are going to come, you're going to be completely restored. It's going to be the beauty of holiness upon you, and I am going to be there with you. So this is what it is that we are looking forward to this is something which God desires to up to bring the past and he is looking for those who will love who will stand first love him like God what you love is what I will love you actually love these people. Yes, Paul says they are beloved for the sake of the patriarchs, beloved by God for the sake of the patriarchs getting onto God's wavelength concerning this is very important for all those who desire to fellowship with this God noise as you are saying these things.

It reminds me that the kids will grow up and they like certain foods because mom and dad like those whose of course they ate them, but they so the parents like why do you like it, why do you vote this way. Politically, why you dress like this. A lot of Marcus.

That's my mom and dad did or some I really admire that in the religious Jewish community why you where this particular garment you know that that that that that close that you are go back to a certain East uric East European Community able. That's the way they dressed in a really odd� We kind of perpetuate that that memory so again you know our heart for world missions school of ministry we have workers all around the world and in fact we have a handful in Israel, but we have more in the Muslim world that we have in Israel and then more and just the general world that's out there. What hundred to one pretty much compared to Israel. So you can have a heart for the nations, and you've got a great heart for the church as a whole heart for worship.

Your worship leader led worship of the past is Ms. Moyer's all right you can have that. And yet recognize there's just something about God's love for Israel.

There again. Jesus died for all people equally and within the body. There's no caste system or class system. We both hate anything about a Jewish superiority number.

All one in the Messiah. And yet there is something it is the Messiah's own people.

After all, we don't.

You don't think we have a different heart for Russia. If the Messiah was Russian a different heart from Mexico. If the Messiah was Mexican a different heart for Nigeria if the Messiah was Nigerian and if Nigerian people as a whole rejected him and they were scattered around the world. Our judgment all the more would be be burned to pray for Nigeria, but when it's Israel all know you're you're being racist or you're making God into a race. This is a double standard, and this that's one reason why I do so appreciate non-Jewish believers in God through Jesus, who love our people. Now I don't appreciate an over-the-top zealousness which ignores much of the Scripture. Those combinations, they are treasures you and and will pick that up in there to celebrate a wild college thing that talked about limited file.

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We've already answered with a radio show with a video or with an article so so David you were saying that there is a certain pro-Israel mentality that is personally you're not a big fan of that.

Perhaps his base my words on a more political seal or more sentimentalism or something more superficial that perhaps could be moved if if Israel didn't do right or or whatever so explain what basically what the call is an embryo believing community are the people who are going to be identifying with God's heart into it. When one identifies with God's heart. The are our our response to any people any people group is going to be one of love mount my challenge to the believing community is that they would make room in their heart for the God who still loves these people. It was important enough to the apostle Paul that he said listen, I'm even viewing my ministry as a means to bringing to bring my unbelieving brethren to jealousy.

A lot of times I find that the people who are most zealous for the state of Israel are not really zealous for the eternal well-being of Jewish people and they end and I understand that when you have a certain ministry standing with Israel that the Jewish perception is your only goal is to convert us and pull us away from our people bring us into the church that summer they would perceive it, because of which were a little skeptical and you're just you're you're showing us love in order to convert us a little skeptical yeah and rightly hundred and I understand given church history. Select II have friends that work selflessly to serve and help Jewish people and they do it because they love is really is a Jewish people. And they don't they don't preach that uncle proselytize, and they say hey I'm just there to serve and love and your Jewish believer, you can share your faith, but I don't want anyone to wrong impression.

I fully understand I do to. But when there is not a burden to see Jewish people say when there is not a deep prayer, see Jewish people say then something's wrong, or when there is a refusal to stand with the messianic Jewish community, both in the land and amongst the nations like in the United States for fear of offending the greater Jewish community who who would be like, how can you help you be for them and love us.

At the same time. While the reality is that we are called to love the brethren and we are called to stand with those people who are from a Jewish background were maintaining their identity and yet also serving the Messiah Jesus and identifying with him both in the land amongst the nations right so on a practical level, we just got minute and 1/2 your pastor or church congregation. A million other things to talk about teach, help family issues in a general life growing in the Lord, etc. when it what what should your average pastor do with his congregation concerning Israel will, amongst other things, I would have of the congregation to understand that God still has a special and unique love for them because of the patriarchs and that they have become to some degree an extension of the believing Jewish remnant who are loyal to Jesus. These people now it's like, hey listen, you have an identity with the Jewish believers. You are part of the same Commonwealth you are serving the same king you are saints. Together with these people you that something was. Maybe I might be able to speak about at some point Michael is the skewed way in which people see the Scriptures because their reading about the demographics of the first century church in an anachronistic fashion. Seeing the other population of the church as being like 99.9% Gentile, and like .1% Jewish, whereas when the epistles were being written. It wasn't necessarily quite that way in the opposite. There may have been 10% Gentile, 15% Gentile, 20% Gentiles in the church and Paul's writing to the Gentiles and saying listen you folks have such value. You have such dignity and you are accepted together in the beloved.

With us we are one new man you are fellow citizens in this Commonwealth of Israel in which Jesus is the King yeah and it makes a massive difference when you put things in their background and context. By the way, just another reminder extremity offer just a couple more days get the cultural background study Bible done by Prof. John Walton, Craig Keener, a massive, amazingly practical, rich work when you order it, would you be free to our interview with Prof. Keener and will pay the postage as well get it right in our radio website. The line of fire. The Lord my bottom line. Today the tenacity of God's love, even as is sin is a great comfort to me to follow Jesus the Messiah.

So is there a connection between ancient Israel and Africa. It's time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH index 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. It is thoroughly Jewish Thursday here in the line of fire. This is Michael Brown delighted to be with you anyway. Live from Brooklyn New York to Feinberg messianic center by chosen People ministries got a question Jewish related Israel related question Hebrew related question give me a call 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 7884 by the way, just on general news note another school shooting.

Just saw this for the first time. Moments ago one female student in Texas shot and wounded another before fatally shooting herself. Texas is Alpine high school reported by sheriff there just another reminder of the degree of attack that this younger generation is under and in the need for us to continue to bring the gospel all right. I am going to be speaking with aghast that that I do not know personally and do not know a lot about Percy's originate. Get to know each other together on the phone today. I want to find out what are the differences between his beliefs and those of what are called Hebrew Israelites or Black Hebrew Israelites say that they are the original Jews that the original cues are the original Israelites are are all black.

Some the most radical say that there is no salvation for the white man. Some of them believe in salvation through Jesus, but have some other skewed beliefs about the relationship to the law and four months now I've been receiving requests when you can address this regular tub at Hebrew Israelites, especially growing in the inner cities were having problems with these things and there is more and more information as they have websites that consummate their been a ton of books that they've written or produces more than a grassroots thing and were getting more more calls from those who are professing Hebrew Israelites reference Dr. James White has now done some debates. I believe there is one gentleman that I'm at least one am supposed to debates in the Hebrew Israelites, so my guest is coming from a different perspective will find out what that is. Together but yeah it was January know it was a yet 2000 1500's of people arrived to celebrate the life of Ben Ami Ben Israel, who found that the Black Hebrews community in the 60s and passed away last week at the age of 75. The actual founder of the African Hebrew Israelites community and this was that this is an Israel and among those who gathered was that the mayor of Dimona and the Spanish speaker the Speaker of the Knesset, according to the mayor.

He was a true gentleman, he will be greatly missed with the community and in the city within the community in the city of Dimona who this is what Mayor Benny Pathan said of the late spiritually, who passed away at age 75 after reportedly being ill for a year. Thomas plan naming a new neighborhood to Dimona after the Black Hebrews leader for Chicago's Ben Carter and Israel's death occurred a year and 1/2 after he finally received his is rarely citizenship. Cody was a leader of great stature as scientists throughout every bone in his body loved Israel the country of that with the help of the new Interior Ministry will be able to give every member of the community citizenship. Okay, so is is this yet something else where Gentiles convert to Judaism and now become embraced by the nation of Israel and stand with the nation of Israel, which would be different than Hebrew Israelites who do not believe that the rabbis would have authority today. My guest has yet another perspective so I'm eager to find out more about where he's coming from my guests are Sharad Marcy yahoo find out how we got that name where he studied and what his views are become back for cleansing and the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown them alive away from children and this voice.

The sound of the spirit of Israel and soul messengers African Hebrew Israelites commemorating their deceased leader that I just mentioned Ben Ami Ben Israel, Israel okay so we can sort some things out here difference between this community in Israel. The difference between Hebrew Israelites and a perspective that my guest has now let me just introduce him start Sharad Marcy yahoo is holds a bachelors in history education from Lincoln University in Oxford, Pennsylvania, and a double content Masters degree in teaching history from Liberty University in Lich Lynchburg, Virginia, and we are just getting to know each other today so sorry is that how how I should address you. Welcome to the broadcast of a welcome and thank you for that. Welcome, Michael.

You can refer to me at Mount Diablo that is fine must okay let let me ask you how you you got that name and then I want you to give me a context of where you're coming from and how it's similar to or different from what we know is Hebrew Israelites or Black Hebrew Israelites.

So again, my goal is to find out where you're coming from, what you believe what you feel that you have have uncovered. It's important for the church to know in general. So how how did you come to have this names are, I will first of all to give all glory and honor and pray with all of Israel who in the Messiah of Israel and III come to do his will and and and to help to to use my gift and talent that he given me an area history research to the dialogue with with your audience. As far as the names Dr. auditor the title that was given to me by one of the elders of Israel is the general term. I'm sure you understand what it means that you not cheat or print to minister because of the work and ministry that I've done within the messianic community of Mount Diablo. The name that was given to me by the elders of Israel is not a name that I you know, decided one day I figured out why was the let me name. I thought that we don't do that in our community are the children are named and you know after after prayer, you know, looking to find a way to give them something powerful that they can live up to. And so I was given that name and my actual to the family name that I'm called throughout my family that is calm Israel that one of the more familiar name that my mother and and everyone else called me but my just just understand one thing that when you make reference to the elders of Israel who are you referring to were talking about those Israelites that are still here in America today and we don't make a separation between racial groups were not racialist.

We know that the properties of the Tanakh Bay that the Jews are the Israelites would be spread to the four corners of the planet Earth and therefore there is a light day in the four corners of the planet Earth that resemble people from around the world where they have gone in and detonated and mixed etc. and so my particular community. When I stay, the elders of Israel.

I mean those from the congregation that I belong. But you know elders of Israel would be any of Israel around the entire world that are part of the descendent of Abraham and Jacob are in and I and I know this is not what you what a major conflict that help us understand what's the difference between what you believe and was popularly called Hebrew Israelites that says that all that is originally black and some more extreme views that there is no salvation for the white man.

What's the difference between what you're saying and what they say. I don't know exactly how they show that up and and and how much time for here and there, but I just want to say this to you right now basically the tradition of being Israelite among so-called African-American people is actually a tradition that goes back in band century and into West Africa and then once you get into West Africa.

There tradition that span back injury bears so if you want to. At some point discussed, you know the history I asked Lynn absent okay but but it's far it just just answer your question up front.

Basically, the Hebrew Israelite movement has a beginning. It's not an original movement.

It's not what be ancient Israelites called themselves they didn't refer to themselves by the term Hebrew Israelite.

This came on the theme around the 19 late 1950s and early 1960s, you begin to be. This terminology began, it gained more weight around the 1970s and by the 1980s that actually had become a hallmark of that particular a group of people now I don't want your audience to be in any way confused because we know the father that the author, but what happened is you have authentic West African view that came to America centuries ago, thumb through the transatlantic slave trade and they passed on certain traditions that were handed down orally spent that time the 1700 that the very ugly and and we can document now what happened this, a group of people that caught onto the tradition then began to mix it with the black nationalism that started to happen in the 1960s and there was a group in the 1960s that was called the Israelites look to not it was led by a man who was called Rabbi Ebert and Yelm and he was a member of a group called the commandment keeper also known in history as the black youth of Harlem.

Their very famous in New York City. They had a huge synagogue there on and on the west side and Harlem. I like West 1/22. The 125 around that area.

There were a lot a group during that time but Lieberman Yelm and lit with that group because he had a conviction about the new covenant, or New Testament manuscripts, and the Messiah of Israel and also because he was very radical. He would go out on the street and tell black people. You're the ancient Israelite and the white man if he thought and felt their split came because of a man by the name of called Rabbi Matthew Wentworth Matthew.

Actually, the founder commandment keeper was actually from the Caribbean by way of west Africa and he was like we're not getting into the racialism and calling people out by name and he actually had a very decent working relationship with the Ashkenazi community in New York State and Lieberman Yelm and wanted to actually get out there and combine like Malcolm X. Nation of Islam Elijah Mohammed kind of black radicalism with the message of of the oral tradition and then it turned when he died in the light dictate exactly killed by the Muslim on the street corner for provoking them get followers opened up this will call the Israelite of universal practical knowledge and those are the guys that you be that where the outfit like the than the metal and all of those in there on the street corner thing about Mike and all of that they actually morphed out about how likely allow likely traditional Jewish, black, Jewish or Israelite movement that started in Harlem.

They don't like to talk about that, but they're the one who broke all and want they did then you begin the break throughout the eastern seaboard of America and then you need certain disruptions happen in the Midwest in Chicago, etc. and after their knowledge. After television, public act that it gained momentum right. And now, because when the time of the Internet, etc. the momentum is outrageous and so these little groups that had little storefront and Harlem 1941. Madison is where one of them is after the group split and others are in Brooklyn off of Atlantic Avenue. What happened is they expanded worldwide info because of the racial fervor that taken place now because that you'd be the oppression of of people of color as it is perceived by people of color and in the nation, then these groups are gaining momentum. Just as in the early 90s. You thought the white version of it that there might Hebrew like Michael and a call to Christian identity movement and they think that they're the descendent of Abraham I and Jacob and the one thing in common is they all hate that you have. So that's a little bit of the history of how it turned into from a group that followed Holick in an and did be observant that the Petra into a group that became what you sleep the day and they don't like you talking about that in the very pleased with me for mentioning that but it's a matter of fact and truth and that God hates II appreciate very much of bringing that clarification. So we come back to talk about the history and origin as you understand what connection is there with ancient Israel when Africa talk about Ethiopian views of the limbic try Vincent went to have their legitimate are there African Jews in America gets the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown this is Michael. I will anywhere near Brooklyn, New York join the 10 night. Thursday night will be doing a lecture on Isaiah 53 the rabbis in the Messiah at the Feinberg messianic center, from whence I am broadcasting now 1974 Coney Island Ave. I'm joined by Saar Sharad Massey Yahoo some muscle Yahoo II love the details that you're giving because this is helpful for us in sorting out historical issues. I know you could take hours to open up certain things. So I ask you some questions if you give us the Birdseye view first, then what will dig deeper and and get into the worm's eye view of some of this but as you understand your origins, your history, you say that that you're part of a community of African-Americans that maintained Jewish Israelite roots that somewhere in ancient history through through Jewish people being scattered around the world, then through intermarriage where where people would marry into Judaism instead of Jews assimilating that customs, traditions were passed on like we speak of some Ethiopian Jews or the limbic tribe in Zimbabwe that I mentioned previously and then promoted to slave trade were brought over to America and continued to keep these customs and now have come in with with full embrace of the Messiah as well is is is that they're the right summary of my understanding how you identify correctly and just about that but the part about making a focus about intermarrying. I want to just you know, point out that my position is not that we are Jews because we intermarried with you, but that we argue and so we wouldn't talk to a Russians we wouldn't talk to a Yemenite we wouldn't talk to univariate French youth.

Not a lot. In the event right. In other words, this the fact that, I'm Caucasian and I'm a Jew. Obviously, the Israelites, and I Caucasian and yet I don't say there had to be intermarried somewhere along all the time. Okay I got recognize rights of tribal origins West Africa.

How from what you can understand going back and in the research. When this is real now connect with some of these West African tribes. Well, you stated earlier Michael when you were talking before the show. Given the buildup of the segment you made the statement that the Hebrew Israelites hadn't really written any source material or anything of that nature and it just sort of you not not not a lot did not a lot of books right and that was our perception yet.

What I would say that Michael is that may be you're looking at you know you're trying to find the needle you know in the haystack and there is a pile of needles that bike right next because they're there.

The math of the kind of material I mean, historian my library filled with books written by Israelite that maintain the tradition not Hebrew Israelites you know white man on the corner. That's what I was referring to. Right right okay because, for example, bear the book that today I think it goes online for upwards of $200. It's written by the Hebrew brother named Jos� mouth the he was born in Panama to a Moroccan Hebrew mother, and he used the him you would say this is a black man you know he might have the curly hair would have you but it looked not too much different than I okay now in the book is written over 400 pages about, and it's called the African origins of modern Judaism and what he does at the pieces together ancient African tradition and traditions of of a black people from around the Caribbean and around the area of Africa that are carried on the tradition. And he document this in the massive tech. Now there are a lot of books that I could mention, I could mention from Babylon.

The 10 bucks to buy black Jewish historian Rudolph Wendler about this or are there so many but let me just give you a little basement for the historicity of of black to now when we talk to our Ashkenazi brothers right I mentioned in our talk and I'm I'm I'm regularly in those communities that interact and I hear them say for example I was talking to one rabbinic leader and he said to me I can trade my my route on the way back to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob at the will can we had that discussion of how you can do that. I thought I'd like to go down that line with you have got all day you would like well that's not important what the important is how we you know practice targeted so everyone has tradition. Everyone has the tradition you mentioned on one of your shows about how your original family name wasn't Brown, but you didn't know exactly what the original name. What right well the only way that you know you're Jewish, is because they're the Jewish tradition that was handed down to you from your parents, and so forth.

But we don't have the temple document anymore that have been destroyed after 70 CE folks, we have to go cost is DNA testing is as well.

On that remarkable but but but that's where both of the limbo and the vendor of Uganda and other parts of Africa. At that and they found the Y chromosome that was related to the company of it have been done though. It's not like there are no black Jews or Hebrew than the world that have taken DNA test defined at the cake.

Now that the thing is, the oral tradition is what's important because it held the thumping not doing base everything that we do on oral tradition. Of course we know not, because I know your position on. Actually, the Torah should okay write that the book the long not that with oral law. So now here's the peak, the Ethiopian, book book called a keeper and a guy and in this book they get the history of Ethiopia and they mentioned the tradition of being defendant of Menelik. The first was the son of Solomon and Makeda, who was commonly known as the Queen of the South or Queen of and is one of their most you know, tightly held a belief done on their origin and give you a couple of tradition. Then finally, the Haile Selassie was considered to be of the offspring of Solomon and the generator right, you are correct now let's go back a little further. Now you have a man by the name of my copy any rights in Arabic manuscript called it pottery out five fish and he writes about Jewish communities in Ghana, Senegal and Mali and he speaks of this one dynasty of Canadian leaders that are called the and the chief leader of the Empire with.Ellie game which we know to mean the Yemenite and he was the leader of a Yemenite dynasty that was in Ghana that bordered on the Niger River. Very interesting because were not talking about European people were not talking about you know of people from other areas of China, India, were talking about people right smack dab in the middle of West Africa. Now there's another man by the name of Abdur Lachman been a lot of body and he write the book and the seventh in 1700 called it pottery out the Dan and he reports that there than Israelite community and Mali that called the body of Brian. Now there's a website called the Jewish telegraphic agent. BJP.org.

They did an article on the body is dry and tedious but not actually yeah and they were found in the Senegalese Bush but with interesting Michael is that their Muslim and they say they don't want to become Jewish. They do not like the peak of their Jewish heritage in the writers of that article is ACA said that you actually it was not for their benefit Stephen Wright as a direct they're gonna break right that it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6634 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Looking back, friend to the line of fire.

This is Michael Brown on this thoroughly Jewish Thursday because you have Jewish related Israel related 866-34-TRUTH, eight, 784 is the number to call on speaking with Sasha wrought Marcy yahoo who traces his origin to African Jews or African Israelites who came over to the United States via the slave trade and maintained certain Jewish traditions that were passed on orally and were asking the question okay there is one thing that Hebrew Israelite movement that you might run into the streets of cities in America that can be militantly racist. That can have a black supremacist argument and that is not claim ultimately or or trace similar routes. My guest is coming from a different perspective and were having an interesting discussion about origins so of Marcy yahoo just so I understand something again radio was limited time we have breaks in segments and things like that but as you understand the origins of the Israelites right Sosa going back to the to the very beginning, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who, of course, from from Abraham from Mesopotamia into Canaan went when you understand the history are you looking at them more as this is a very secondary question okay but I'm just curious to the recovery from are you looking at them as is more African like or more types of Middle Eastern like us, we would see today more Asian what what your perception in terms of of your understanding. We we would see the these people coming as you said, you know, Aveeno coming from Mesopotamia of the county with modern-day Iraq moving across the Tigris Euphrates area moving into the land of of Canaan.

These were a people and when you go back to get you have to look that there was a Cushite Empire that was established east of the Nile and a lot of people may not be familiar with that Rudolph went article Babylon about to discuss is it at at at at only about this Cushite Empire that was established in your reading the scriptures about the machine I with the W load and it is in reference to the Cushing near the two River there. There is a history that showed that there were people from continental Africa that actually that up and wrote into that area. We know seventh century BCE that the heart got definitely goes, not only through Egypt but goes into the land of Canaan and and goes into the land of method ^ Mesopotamia, we think one of the first country that still exist today mentioned in the Torah actually would be the LPR coach so there's been a long traditional relationship between Africa and that area that the day is referred to as the Middle East.

I don't like that term because I don't know where the middle West, but that area there and so we refer to people from that region. Generally, linguistically, at Afro-Asiatic and that term is also used in some inferences than in the scholarly writing for the culture of the people. Also, there's always been a mixture enough.

Might you be that Joseph comes into Egypt Messiah comes into Egypt. Isaiah 44, talked about the July to going to each of you constantly through the connection between Egypt and Israel and you even read about in Isaiah how the father that he's going to pull his people out of the land of Egypt, out of the area surrounding that is been a constant relationship between the groups of people so I do not believe that any of those people historically were European I don't I live in a high tail it got one more question for you, and my purpose is not to debate as to have a discussion. Finally coming from and I will take a cost-benefit labor question for my guests are Sharon Marcy yahoo.

The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, Brown, blessed to be with you. To this day on this thoroughly Jewish Thursday 70 very interesting conversation with Sasha wrought Marcy yahoo. I've discussed some issues in terms of Israelite origins in terms of what we can determine about ethnicity or color of skin, or whether these things matter have encouraged everyone. Whatever your own skin color to picture Jesus of the disciples are the patriarchs, is a different color than you just to see how how you relate to it because a lot of people end up having to relate to European Jesus, which is the one thing we know for sure is not accurate. So must say what one last one last question for you, and again, my goal is not to debate issues but to hear your perspective as far as your own traditions. The community came from, who was who was Jesus. Yeshua to you is his faith in him something more recent was that passed down. Where does that come in because historically obviously the majority of the people of Israel rejected Jesus the Messiah.

So just curious to know where that fits in your own history and tradition. All right. Will Michael Allen to the question briefly and incompletely as I can and if there any questions that you wanted me at any point to answer any you know by any color that I'm available for that. Just to let you as far as the Messiah of Israel within those who carry on the tradition thereto. Group and their those were called to not only owe you to call them tour only.

And then there are those who are messianic mission so now I come from a tradition of messianic and we believe in the Messiah Israel.

Now I've talked to you before online, but I don't think you knew that it was me and I had questions about philology and word more for them than think that nature because we hold to the name of the shop, she asked, and we know the traditional pronunciation of Yehoshua or Yeshua in a shortened form and understand your point of view on those thing. I bet that the part of the tradition. Also that that has been given doubt that we stand by the tradition. We believe that the Messiah Israel is the central book the Scripture that we are complete in him, and so when the statement is made in the Scripture that there is neither Jew nor Greek, male or female. It doesn't mean that the mail click that their female significant better, but that it simply means that an our faith and our ability to accept the redemptive work that he did at the place of the skull of 2000 years ago.

It doesn't matter whether you're male or female with your black or white Jew or Greek faith in him that makes the difference that if we put our trust in confident in the Messiah of Israel and trust, and the sacrificial offering that he did on our behalf that he can transform our lives and create an a new heart, a new way of living and we can have a powerful resonating effect upon the rest of the world. By the example that we got it yet loud and clear. And yes, sir. I was unaware that we had interacted must muster my online interaction must be very brief. Unfortunately, I can't get into things in more depth. But thanks rejoined that's my tension and and thanks for sharing the table and since we have of the caller with the relevant relevant question stay right where you are and I will go to Dallas EN walking to the line of fire which are question for me or for my guest activated, providential II didn't realize Juergen have got on the gap today. I'm a I typically I go in it out and out old area and it been a couple times now, I'm not. I don't know anybody get on the jerky and the BHI or here that I don't I don't know if Noel Wheatley we discussed this very first thing I asked him to clarify, but that he can.

She gave me the most detailed background that we've yet had presented on the line of fire about the origins of the various groups like Hebrew Israelite creeps etc. so that he's he's coming for a very very different perspective but but go ahead with your with your question.

I don't want to go too far for you� But anyway, I was the I've interacted with one group, they were little more calm think they were the EMS group that a great milestone on group there were more calm and little money to deal with but still very late and then I went to Dallas a couple weeks ago a friend of mine predominantly black area and they were out there and I mean they were there, I'm a Jew I'm actually Jewish bring that up to them to not go very well and asked well familiar with using well and write or call the devil they don't they don't care to have any dialogue about monologue in the light in the night they were to scare them off of this down between her legs, but I'm wondering there are some groups that do do a little more dialogue like that first group that I dealt with and I just ate I've heard James White and another guy he had on their went over a few things and I thought you had a debate with deputy at 50 and I got the information from that and him and vocab Malone was on there and had died that used to be a good one very active. Do you have any resource related but there earnings or lectures or anything that I can go think it arrived at again and be more of the paranormal at a conference. I don't really know enough about them even after looking all that so I'm you my answer. Then let my guest joining as well. I'm I'm supposed to start debating some of their leaders in the days, weeks, months ahead. That'll help flush things out because they're different groups with different beliefs and end because of that you have to find out which particular group you're dealing with and what exactly they do hold to think the Karam website CAR M.org to keep expanding the material they have their safety check out Karma.org. Of course James White debates. There is nothing I have those far as an extensive teaching I've done on it or a major video presentation or anything. So in the days to come gobbled and we want to serve the body by helping equip in these areas that is distinct from those who would say they are African Jews and who have practiced Jewish tradition to the centuries and some of whom like my guest are believers in the Messiah.

Assault must say who is is there anything that gives an overview of some of these recent radical racist groups in any any literature or things that that you would point to that would be educational for a believer, I would say I was shocked by the caller thing that she had met with the call, they are the most wicked of all the Hebrew Israelite group. They date.

They teach things that you child rape and various other things of that nature. I would never even interact to waste my time talking to them because they are reprobate.

The only thing you can do it is to pray now what I would figure that you want them information. Good book to just give you some background there. The net nothing, but I don't know how available they are that the book called the Hebrew Israelite diaspora that was written by Manning, James H. Boykin.

Okay, that's a very good book, sorta given you some history there. There's another book written by Keohane Michael Ben Levy and he wrote a book called Israelite and use the significant different and what these two books will do is give you a little bit of background on the starting from the group and try to give you the basic belief but you know, unless you're really led to do so.

Getting involved with groups like GMS and and I you like the other group like that it does not gotta be fruitful because they already believed by the color of your skin that your condemned, and so therefore there only point is to try to radical ridicule you on camera and make you look bad and you yet another notch on their list. You can also contact me as well and and I can give out my phone number at the end of the show and also my website, leading by history.com it, it's going to some renovation right now, but you cannot actually go there and I can I make should be website got it right DN thanks thanks for the call yeah II made the mistake one time in New York City.

Other was a mistake I might do it again if I felt led to but I ran into these gentlemen preaching on the street corner in the early 90s and the whole odd outfit and all of that and I asked a question. I said hey if if if the if the Jews if none of us Jews what Hitler try to exterminate us and they came up with some kind of answer. I walked away and then I just felt led to to go back so I went back in their midst and I had to raise my voice. He said the Mike's and I said these men are deceiving you. Jesus preached religion of love. Their preaching religion of hate. We need each other and ice of the black man Jew. We need each other with both been at the bottom of the barrel we need each other anyway. The thing I miscalculate was I was the only white person in the crowd and the listeners were pretty stirred up so they started chanting death to the white man and anywhere. But I did try to reach out, but let's just say we didn't have a substantive theological discussion. Hey, we don't we don't like to give out phone numbers on the air, but if you could just give the website again folks it's under construction so that that means, go back and that will be improved but give us the website again and if you want to find out more about the origins of these these different sects with which her mother the radical racist accident and can you have it you have radical white racist, radical black racist but they share a hatred for Jewish people.

Interestingly enough, I give us the website again. Please all right, yet leading by history.com within weekly format now being updated by the if it'll be up and running alright so check it out that I fascinating discussion.

I'm sure we'll talk again � thou shalt rec.the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution.

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There are guests that we bring on and the purposes debate. They know I differ with them. They know and that since they can be hostile territory, but will be as fair as I can with them there others that come on rev a different perspective and one here where they're coming from, or where I don't really know what perspective they're coming from in and going to find out and that was the case largely with my last guests of the purpose was not to debate and that's what my goal is not to push back that the proper pronunciation of the Lord's name is is you she was not Yahoo show or or Joshua Ortner different things like that so I just want make that money to clear my goal is not to have a debate and again the point that we agreed on was the ancient Israelites did not look European and they were that of European origin so me that that's a major point. We want to make an inability Graham one time is preaching to to apply crowd the city Jesus was darker than the lighted and you that's the way I understand that good either way. It's all it's ultimately not the issue is not the issue.

And yes there there is a tradition in in various African nations. You can go to Nigeria and you'll meet Nigerians that observed the Sabbath, the practice of Sabbath and they they pray Jewish prayers rented that come from above point in history. Many would say what goat goes back a couple thousand years or 2500 years and there's there is debate about lots of these things that if they want to come to Israel and become his Israeli citizens will this the right of return for a Jew, so are you a real Jew, and in many cases the rabbinic authorities and say yes but you have to do a little bit more, so we accept fewer than others and several winter traditions government never heard of them. So your traditions. A later so there is always debate about that but I especially appreciate the care with which my guess is research things that there may be points made right would have a different take. But what's especially informative to me was he wasn't on for this purpose, but explaining some of the origins of this Hebrew Israelite movement, which is something very different and is often joined together with extreme racism and then you have white groups and they claim to be the original Israelites and then they have a pay at an antiblack racism so you have this one groups is white man is of the devil.

There is no salvation for the white man. Another black method of the summation for the black man and if they both claim to be true Israel, and they both hate the Jews. You know where that stuff comes from.

But something strikes me and I just want to mention this on a larger spiritual point here. Have you ever heard the saying that heaven at one and the same time will be a great eye-opener and a great mouth closer a great eye-opener and a great mouth closer that there will be many people that you see there that you did not expect to see and there'll be many people that see you. That will be soft to see you. So the same thing with the people of Israel.

You can go to to Israel and here meet Chinese students and Indians use African Jews in European views and yet they all have definite ties back to the people of Israel at different times in history through intermarriage, but in some cases through proselytism and they became part of the larger community of Israel and then because of the place in which they lived. Now, more and more people of similar color similar background became part of the community. So this there is a diversity, but I take issue with is when some assessment.

We are not Jewish or Ashkenazi in Estes European origin echoes back to the house RC convert that because ours have have a small percentage that would've ultimately made up of the Jewish people and the Jewish nation and in fact it was interesting is that through history, people are not really vying for the right to say hey we are Jews therefore hate us. We are Jews therefore exclude us. We are Jews therefore put us out and I can I can pretty well guarantee you that in Nazi Germany you would not of had a Hebrew slight movement, where the real Israelites come and kill us. That being said, there are those that have centuries of tradition in different countries around the world. You find it in in the Spanish-speaking world that there are communities where the Christians have have continued to observe the seventh day Sabbath or circumcise the kids on the a stands we done this for generations and in you trace it back and find out that they they were forced to flee from Spain or flee from Portugal during times of inquisition or things like that. They have Jewish roots. They became followers of Jesus, but they did not lose sight of their Jewish roots. Despite persecution that they experienced some of the persecution even came from the church. In other words, you cannot have any Jewishness to be part of the church which is obviously complete perversion of the gospel. Anyway, we will continue to discuss these things. We will have some debates with these groups that we vociferously differ with and do our best to expose their era and maybe one day I can break it down on radio as to why we believe Yahweh is the reconciliation of God's name were you sure the right pronunciation, the size name, but ultimately these things I think you'll agree are secondary to the recognition of who he is, what it means to be born again and him answer to be in Hammond to make him known to the world. I think that we agree on is what matters the most. So let me remind you again. If you're in the greater New York area.

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