Thinking God's Thoughts About Israel, the Word, and the Church

I am poised to function as your voice of moral sanity and spiritual clarity stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. There's something at the word of God and truth of God like a holy slap in the face if you know what I mean wakes you back start as you.

There is reality and and I want to do my best to function in that capacity today on the line of fire serving you and helping you bringing that the truth to light again it's it's so process it helps us wake up out of the stupor. The confusion that surrounds Michael Brown. Welcome to the broadcast is my joy to be your voice of moral sanity and spiritual clarity the midst of a society in chaos in the church. All too often in compromise is the recall, 8663487884866-34-TRUTH a bunch of things I want to talk about today, but first encouragement to all of my listeners right now that love the Lord that are followers of Jesus the Messiah. Please pray for my Jewish people maybe are Jewish as well. Your Jewish people. Please pray for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, especially beginning tonight.

24. Our. Little over 24 hours don't keep or the day of atonement for traditional Jews. The holiest day on the calendar. Even nonreligious Jews will be in the synagogue a lot and traditional Jews. This is hours and hours of prayer and repentance and ask God for mercy and confessing sin after sin personally and as part of the community of Israel and we honor the sincerity. We honor the seal that we recognize that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness without the atoning sacrifice. There's no forgiveness with Yom Kippur ceremony centered around two goats. One that was killed for the sins of Israel. The other that was sent away into the wilderness to bear the sins of Israel to carry them away Jesus Yeshua the Messiah fulfills both of those roles and doesn't so powerfully and wonderfully that when you find forgiveness in him.

Amazingly, remarkably, incredibly, the guilt is gone baby listeners a Jewish person may be your specific Jew from chewing and your listening is in secret in Williamsburg or in Borough Park somewhere else in Bjorklund states, or maybe even in Israel and and I just want to remind you, God did not leave us abandon these many years with with the temple destroy with the Sorbonne of beta should greatly definition either that the second Temple being destroyed.God is not left us without atonement. He sent his son, the righteous one, the Messiah referred the teaching.

The death of the righteous tones of your traditional view read it in the Talmud. He is the ultimate perfect righteous one.

He died in our place. He took all the guilt all the wickedness everything we've done wrong.

The secret sins that were so ashamed of that. Only God knows about. He took everyone his own shoulders and died in our place that we threw him dying to sin could live for righteousness and experience forgiveness, atonement, and cleansing the guilt disappearing in the sense of a clean new heart beyond anything you could imagine, if you call out to him if you say God I want to follow you and your Messiah, whatever the cost. Whatever the consequence help me to know the truth. He will help you will give you the strength and the courage can tell look. I'm afraid I'd lose everything if this is true, my family would reject me, my community would reject me dismember that's a small price to pay for the family of God, and perhaps you can be the one to help lead your family and your community to Jesus the Messiah call out to him while he's near yes this is the time of the nearness of God as Jewish people around the world seek him. May hearts and minds be open to the reality of Jesus, Yeshua being the Messiah of Israel.

One pays for sins takes them all away come back. I got some strong words for Christians who were minimizing testifying based vulgar talk for cleansing the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks for joining us on the line of fire 866-34-TRUTH 7884.

Something has grieved me these last few days. It shocks me even though I should be shocked by now, but Donald trumps comments on tape revealed and I talked about yesterday have an article about it. Just go to the line of fire.org and look for the latest article. I'm not shocked by his comments to Billy Bush in 2005 mention that yesterday. I'm not shocked that you understand the man once understood them to be vulgar and the student to be one that would objectify women in a just evaluate them on their bodies or sexuality. Whatever. I'm hoping it's not who he is today, but certainly that's who he was nothing. He treated every woman like that but that's exactly what I thought he was the guy who made money with casinos and had this massive strip club in the midst of one of his casinos and it didn't feel the need to ask God for forgiveness in his life. The one who boasted about adulteries with other women in the past. Famous women so I not surprised to hear that content at all.

That's what I would've expected from him. What surprises me is when Christians minimize professing Christians professing followers of Jesus. The people are supposed to be met man of God, men who love the Lord and therefore by definition, men who love purity and him and who honor their wives and honor women and treat others with respect and dignity and don't think in those crew terms, let alone speak in those crew terms.

I think posting by Christian men minimizing this not get my shutdown from is a whole separate issue in my issues not while the Bill Clinton you worse that some Irish audit what would happen if Ellicott was present that none of those of my issue right now those are completely out of discussions. Discussions we had before and will have again in a few weeks leading up to the elections. My issue is with Christians with followers of Jesus, who are called to be like him, who were called to put aside darkness, who are called to walk in the light, who are called to be people of surety people of sexual purity to its adjustment as well as minimize was this locker room talk. We all get caught up in what Christians get caught up and talk like that. It's one thing if a Christian guy said hey you watch my eyes now married by God, be honest, I see a pretty girl walked by. I go watch my eyes fine okay agreed we have to watch her eyes in allied house watches TV show and it was football game and yet they should some cheerleaders at night on my check them out. I felt sorry for okay human weakness. There and I got be more careful with my eyes and and not with things your role in my thought life. Okay fine, but to say we are windless big deal just talks as locker room talk will get caught up in it who all gets caught up.

This was in the world.

I was a foul sinner when I was in the world. Maybe I was too young to to to to fully talk like that.

I was 16 when I got say, but we were vulgar we were in sin. We were living on godly lives. But even then maybe we have the star power you help but to talk about women are doing things just do this or that to them and they let you do it you know what I we we didn't talk like that where file centers so let me read some scripture to write an end eligible are not perfect fine God understands not perfect and God is the one who puts this in the word Ephesians 5, all the other backup.

Ephesians 429 have at this let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up the sophistication that it may give grace to those who hear and do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. You need to tell me Christian man to talk about women in those vulgar sexual ways, the things that they wanted you to women in those vulgar sexual ways you mean to tell me there's any possibility your heart and life could be right with God, and you engage in trash like that and that wouldn't grieve the Holy Spirit of God.

Yes, there is forgiveness in Jesus. Just as repentance in the Lord, sometimes even believers do ugly things but we don't justify them or minimize them. We grieve over them and repent before God and man, and we seek to live different lives. Ephesians 5 beginning verse one. Therefore, why because we've been forgiven through the cross. Be imitators of God is blood children. Does God engage in that kind of talk.

Can you be an imitator of God and to sexualize others. Can you be an imitator of God and talk to the top of them in vulgar terms. How would you feel my dear brother, if you're raising teenage daughters if you knew that your neighbor who claimed to be a Christian talk to his friends about your daughters like that anywhere he wanted to grab them and what he wanted to do them. How would you feel to jerk Christian brother. Maybe your wife's 30 years old attractive woman.

How I would you feel if they were talk about her like that. I mean come on therefore be imitators of God's love children and walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God but sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints shouldn't be named among you when when people toilet sexual scandals in sexual immorality and ingredient shouldn't be named among us all.

That doesn't happen in our midst. No, no, you think of us don't think of that at all.

When when you think of the Amish. Okay people living in Pennsylvania and other parts of the country with this extreme antiquated conservative life settlement conservatives is antiquated, but it owed horse and buggy instead of instead of a car living very very simple ways and things like that.

When you think about the Amish. You don't think about them saying as the had there on the cutting edge of cell phone technology and Internet and intranet communication is not the Amish don't don't think about them in those terms.

You think about ultra-Orthodox Jews and in Brooklyn say in his men into studying Torah and Talmud all day you don't they get those guys they they are your next top MMA fighters. Those are the men. Yet those now you think of the minister in the same way when it comes to followers of Jesus, sexual morality, impurity, covetousness � shouldn't even have any association with us that salutes you going with the below filthiness, nor foolish talk nor crude joking which are out of place, but instead that there be Thanksgiving for forget gutter talk among us. There shouldn't be any crude joking, foolish talk among filthiness for you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure who is covetous that is an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God's people live in situated these things are the characteristic of their lives. Either they never known the Lord of their walked away from the Lord. Either way, there are not of the Lord and they have no inheritance in let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them for you for it one time you were darkness, you know, a lot of us were found vile, ugly, profane, despicable centers at one time you were darkness, but now your life in the Lord walk as children of life. One man called by show years ago in the early days of radio. He said he got say that of a similar background.

To me, but he had lived in his longer, so he was a drug addict, drinking heavily for years. He got saved, so he knew immediately. There was trash to get rid of. He knew immediately. Okay, stop drinking, stop doing drugs that was obvious when sleeping around with her assisting stop that. But then there were many other decisions in life. He had to make what kind of entertainment was appropriate to have relationships with people appropriate with type of of life choices were appropriate, so he talked to Pastor about it and the pastor said will look at the issue. Look at the choice look at the decision you're making and ask yourself is this life resist darkness. Is this light or is this darkness that he said draws amazing how few things were left to do but if you can do it out of love for the Lord, not the legalistic bondage, but out of love for the Lord in gratefulness for his redemption. Your life boy is that a wonderful way to live all right. I got a lot more ground to cover it, but I've got a question for you. I got a question for you. I was never into the whole birther movement that Barack Obama was born in in Africa I ever got into that whole thing. I saw evidence could be true that whatever but I was there into sorry. I suppose it was really born in Africa but I never thought of is a racist accusation. I just thought that it was said that he was a legitimate right that that he was he was not born in the states. Therefore, he could be the president just like the accusation that Ted Cruz was to Chris's court in Canada never associated the birthday with racism. Am I missing something 866-34-TRUTH file light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown thank you much for modifier my joy, my great joy to be with you is that you said I want my boat is my great joy to be with you on 158662487884II did a short video yesterday some reflections after the debate and I Nancy watched it today and sent me know and was I happy with it feeling that I was, I minimize things about Trumper's lack of real apology and so you know the time of things on radio and I'd written about stuff and blasted him enough want to focus on other things and did I sit and watch it again, but I settle us to say this is that women in may have an even more acute perspective of the gravity of Donald Trump's comments unless Ed was dismissed. She understands that, but my thing was to focus on other stuff in the debate because we we talked about the tapes and all that and why should we speak be surprised that the man is been in the past.

What should we be surprised in the least if you endorse me but I know you endorsing from start courses on the SERIOUS baggage, but again, my point is that a woman's perception of this is going to be more acute than a man's.

In most cases, so Beth Moore has has let her cry of evangelical women who are splitting from man regarding Donald Trump's article by Joshua Dubois on The Daily Beast.com Beth Moore this is premised on politics enormously popular evangelist sermons and conferences sought arenas and printed Bible studies, perennial bestsellers is more likely to be found helping women understand the life of the apostle Paul are tweeting about her husband, her granddaughter and two adorable dogs something change for more after Donald Trump Republican nominee for president United States was caught on tape bring about his ability ability to sexually assault women when Trump said when you restart my black bike like we've heard all that she said I'm one among them, and by the way, I just want to repeat it again and she said I'm one among many women sexually abuse, misuse, teardown heckled talk naughty to likely liked it. We didn't retarded of it. Joe said a word about evangelical leader still supporting Trump. She said try to absorb how acceptable the disk esteem and objectifying his women, of women is been when some Christian leaders don't think it's that big a deal.

That's the issue to me. If they say, of course, it's terrible.

Of course it's wrong of course it's terrific at end and under no circumstances circumstances do we minimize it were grieved over but we understand that's the management without surprise were we continue to preach them and preach repentance to Hammett and urged him to really took to be an honorable man in every way displays a better alternative to Hillary, that's one thing when you get the impression it's no big deal. That's what Beth Moore though the women are rightly referring to in rightly stating 866-348-7884 by the way, the response to my twitter question over well II post is just a little while ago some of the first hundred votes. I never embrace the Obama quote birther movement but I also never saw this racist.

Did you see his racist 80% said not racist 13%. Not sure 7% racist and I wonder how that breaks down what I should I should have asked people if there is a way to identify their ethnicity and color, because that would be that would be interesting to know, but others get your feedback.

866-34-TRUTH 7884 of us go to New York is it is it made up Metro depression and I say all right.

I day. Thank you. Go ahead and read the graphic question right now. I just want to address the something. Yes I factor for most holy. The greater damage has been done by the evangelical pastors who have been both mad and supported him because I knew primarily to right out of second Timothy know this, but in the last days RMS times will come from member been lovers of themselves, lovers of money bolster proud blasphemers, disobedient aunt Pat Corley on 11 unforgiven, slanderous, without self-control, and brutal disguises of goat printed head start happy lover of pleasure rather than lovers of God have been a form of godliness but denying its power from such people turn away and ended it's interesting as it links to second Corinthians 11 where it states that do not benefit in first set of apostles, deceitful workers sermons themselves into a positive. Christ, I've known Wanda Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore, it is no great thing if it limits the also transform themselves into minutes of the right jet you just understand that your your issue is that they are making him into a paragon of Christianity or a Savior. Kind of figure out exactly same human particular conducted. Therefore, if it supported no matter what he does. God God not conduct his stamina out of the abundance of the heart the mouth make it. Got it right so so your if they said look we find his comments deplorable. We know he's not a Christian that we believe is a better choice than Hillary and were speaking into his life and calling them to repentance that would be different than minimizing it and trying to paint him as a Christian up by the lake. Thank you for reading the Scriptures would speak very powerfully only get to a few more callers but loud and clear a day. Thank you for weighing in 866340 we go to Karen in New York. Welcome to the line of fire.

I also would like to comment on the chump. Thank any Christian I wanted to let him believe applicant cast the first down what chimed 11 years ago any cricket being Chris to fight for now matured and maybe he didn't but the bottom line is we need to change between the lesser of the evil and when Sec. Clinton Edwin Keegan and Megan guy and then she turned around and yelled what difference does it make now when she went what kept us family of utterly horrific comment absolutely horrific comment right when nobody is denying that charm is not the perfect candidate nobody is denying any representative of a Christian, nobody denying that he said and done stupid thing, but our government is not just one person? I thought you wanted to stand making it he will have a cabinet of people at the best of the best advising the president even Obama into everything, while buying Celtics with the rest. Let by the way III apologist terms, a cutoff, I'm just at a time.

The problem is when when people present him as a Christian minimize his weaknesses and sins.

Yeah, I I fully agree you got a look at the larger issues and then the way things accordingly. That's why couldn't vote for Hillary. And that's why Trump could win my vote, but Hillary couldn't all right lot more to talk about listening is a line of fire. The Lord it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown, welcome back to the line of fire. In a few minutes going by apologist Sean McDowell want to talk about in terms of defense of the faith and how evangelicals are perceived in America whether intolerance can ever be a good things will be joined by Sean McDowell shortly just want to grab a few more of your calls here. So I agree with. It is absolutely wrong to present Donald Trump to St. Donald and his paragon of Christian virtue, and a wonderfully changed man. However, to say I am looking at various factors and categories. I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. But for the following reasons of over Donald Trump with my eyes wide open. Okay find us some argument argument is to is to minimize but what he's done or to minimize the wrongness of it to gloss over it and then as believers to be associated with him. And people think what was with you guys was with you guys really associated let it be with clear parameters and end, and caveats. All right that's that's my issue. Let's go to Stephanie and Melville, Long Island. Thanks. Recall in the line of fire doing well thank you I holler you right time on integrity that you know cricket arrived at Donald trap because we have all leader where we went camping at Donald trap rock does not show more nine years old will you like it might be 9.1. In that way and can be no end in all of it that we can't we can't have because there are no standard nothing and bought. We have to be about Ron everything that comes out of the mouth not represent Yannick does not represent why why did we allow our doubts to get into a position where you can only type we truncate.

We had a number of other people that were better yet we leader people who like I want to be on. No shot into it at great camping any of the people we have to come to her and we have to get another commentator from, damn you all with this is what you cut out. I'm having a little hard time. Someone said it was what was on affectionately. Now you know I got here to tell you, it did not let let me let me win just because we have a break.

First, trust me, II feel your heart, your passion and you speak for a whole lot of people I would say that evangelicals can be hung Trump during the primaries to me was an indication that we were more moved by nationalism and populism in this notion of make America great again as opposed to being primarily moved by by moral values and by kingdom values and by things like that so I prefer the finger at ourselves, not just it leaders but yet to minimize look it's one thing if you select I know I know I see the flaws I still believe another vote from for the following reasons versus Hillary Clinton for the following reasons I can respect that. But don't don't minimize don't gloss over.

That's why I wrote this whole article put out a video wise my people so surprised by the tape that's that's exactly the man was maybe still is, it's utterly excusable, and for Christian to minimize it means there some wrong in a relationship with God, thank you for weighing in her plan by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I another aspect of the moral and cultural battle but one that starts with the Scriptures and goes out and touches the society. My guest Sean McDowell is a Prof., assistant professor in the Christian apologetics program at Viola University popular speaker at schools, churches and conferences nationwide, general editor of apologetics for new generation and the apologetics study Bible for students and the author of other important works dealing with in dealing with apologetics. Sean great to have you back on the line of fire.

Hey Dr. Brown thanks for bringing me back fun. My joy ever make in a family thing. We had your dad on just a few weeks ago as well. So it's a joy to have you on the air.

Sean went when you talk about apologetics for new generation what what generation are you talking about what were really just kind of talking about culturally where were at today not much to millennial older generation of the year glimmered. I talked about how do we do apologetics in our increasingly secular culture in which it used to be. If you are an American you love baseball and apple pie in your Christian now if you take your Christianity seriously and actually believe it. Your extreme your relevant and in some circumstances, you're kinda dangerous.

So how do we proceed in doing evangelism in apologetics and really ministry in a culture that change pretty substantially right before our eyes. Frank Franklin Graham was speaking recently. A few months back and someone asked in the questionable. Why are you addressing these cultural issues you father didn't address them like you do and said look, my father was going up.

They read the Bible in the public schools. Prof. Darrell Bock made the comment that years back you could say it's true because it's in the Bible. Now you have to say it's in the Bible because it's true. So a lot of the presuppositions that a previous generation had our generation doesn't. And it's beyond that it's it's all out unashamed hostility towards God in the Scriptures that were dealing with. So Sean, without compromising our faith without apologizing for the watering it down.

How do we defend the faith and reach out and cross these barriers at the same time, not drilling. She mentioned Franklin Graham and Kyla Lake body at my dad on and my dad, and that the 78 evening and early 90s did a lot of debates and discussions on college campuses and originally when he first started debating people say prove it. Give me evidence showing the hatch true now and he started presenting the case for Christianity. People frequently think that what right do you have to say that tolerant your big and there's been this cultural shift about how people even think about truth. So in some sense we can have to do unapologetic for apologetics to convince people which they know deep in their heart is Romans two wanted to tell us where mediumship God.

But here's what treatment. Here's why we need to follow truth. Here's why it matters and just convincing people that reason and truth and evidences are ways we can get in touch with reality and I think the key is especially for Christians will either apologetics never done it there such an extent that Christians are hateful and bigoted and out of touch. I'm really convinced that our kindness and our graciousness in our gentleness and our relationship make more today than they probably ever have been, especially in American culture since the Sean before we talk about what we can do right and live out and demonstrate that kindness and love which is not so that we learn. Here's the technique. It is just a smooth expression of who we are but but let's start with. If you have be brutally honest.

What are some things you think were doing wrong or we've done wrong.

We know the world is against us, Jesus of the world hates. Remember, it hated me first.

We understand is a spiritual battle were not looking to be loved by those that crucified the Savior, but certainly is a churches leaders some level we we've done things wrong or doing things wrong when you think you could you could really point the finger. Most it some stuff that maybe we haven't done the best way I think to a quick look at it one way we can look at what we haven't gotten good at with the outside world. And second, what we haven't done is good we can with the younger generation and with inside the church merit system host yesterday they came from pew research analyst talk about how a high percentage of people who call themselves Christian go to church their theology is essentially heretical. Many people go to church that the Holy Spirit is not even a person.

The number of people if they Jesus God Betty Costa and the number of Christians who say there's many roads to get to heaven. I'm the first thing I would stay within the church before we try to fix the culture outside. We kind of got to get our house in order and we had not done a good job at shot biblical theology and Christian worldview in all areas of life.

Now it comes to outsiders. I think as a whole. One thing the dynasty, shielded ourselves and created this culture war.

It cost versus them. We throw rhetorical bomb so to speak. I think the most effective strategy you cited Darrell Bock and he just said today when people hear the term Christian third bigoted and hateful and homophobic. Their first thought needs to be know what I know a Christian, and Christians are that way and that's how we began to change this narrative so in-house. I think theology I think worldview we need to take seriously rather than entertaining this generation training this generation and then outside we get out of our comfort zone to build relationships and Archaeopteryx Strauss speak at a conference recently, Dr. Brown, the lady raised her hand. She got like it. Every time I take them to Disneyland. It gave day goes well I do I want my kids be corrected. FSU Frank posits that you know now that you mention it, I might plan to take my kids to Disneyland gave day deals what why would you do that what it like they say stomach dynamited, then you teach your kids how to say you're sorry that we can't run from the world around us. Jesus calls to be in the world but not of the world. We need to step out of our comfort zone contrast build relationships with people and hopefully let them see Christ yet. So when it comes to the sin of the world we come out of the world when it comes to reaching sinners.

We go into the world and obviously we don't put ourselves in a dangerous situation, or it would guide us in going to strip club to reach a stripper know we understand that right but there's so many ways that we can interact with the world interface with the world and demonstrate the love of God is, as I always say if you cut us we should bleed love, so we need to ask God to break our hearts give us his heart for lost and dying world, and whatever issues we stand for. Be an abortion be at God's intent for marriage. Whatever it is we need to ask God for his heart for those that were different with that people can see that and feel it now. At the same time, though Sean you can give a presentation on this at at the Southern Evangelical seminary apologetics conference which is coming up this weekend. If I could beat you be speaking on on Friday.

The beauty of intolerance. You're not saying that we should become wimpy and like all. Everything is fine. We don't want to hurt your feelings so weak I put is many hearts of compassion, backbones of steel. Those are my words but but talk about the beauty of intolerance are a great way of putting it. Essentially what happened is we live in a culture where instead of having genuine conversation and debate people to silence others by calling names.

I hear a four year exclusivist click here bigoted and it bounces conversation or try to help Christians, slow down and think through what we mean by terms like tolerance really is dignity. What is it mean to be inclusive and should we be tolerant or should we be intolerant.

My dad made a pretty provocative shirt for the front that intolerance is a beautiful idea.

I worn out around� You should see the look of people give me like are you back in the head wearing a shirt that your idea if you flip around the back of it that that Mother Teresa was intolerant of poverty, Bono was intolerant of a Mandela was intolerant of classes and Jesus was intolerant of bigotry thing in a sense that all of us are intolerant of something, intolerance, and it shall is not a bad thing. So the title is meant to shake people up to get clarity in the term is frankly tolerance used me and I disagree that I still love and respect you. Now you intolerant if you even think that somebody is wrong. We need to call people on at be willing to have these conversations to clarify some the misunderstanding term yet again. We have to be with people and engaged to have these conversations and I told you that he mentioned the shirt on the show. If I recall it came up. Then I said I'd I do know that was yours because I remember seeing a pro-life activist wearing it a 93 and I saw the front. I thought yeah that's typical of this guys on your face and then the backing of Martin Luther king was in times of racism and that I thought wow look at that I did know that your your dad come up with that idea and of course you've written on it. All right, we come back out. I want to talk to Sean McDowell about the fate of the apostles and is physically presenting on this as well. Southern Evangelical seminary should find out more again. The conference is this weekend. If you can't get there and scream it on your computer go to conference.SES.edu the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I we've all heard it said that if the apostles just imagine that Jesus rose from the dinner were still concocted some false story to cover up the fact that their Savior, the one their trust in the die. Why would they then die for their faith. Later on certain pointing okay this is working out and we make no work. It was selling well we go that those in the cost us our lives. I mean forget it and so that's been a good argument that's been used to say yes of course they saw the risen Messiah. That's why they were willing to die for, because they they saw him they met and they experienced them. There is no question. Well, my guest apologist, author, conference speaker Sean McDowell is going to be giving a presentation on the fate of the apostles at some evangelicals apologetics conference which takes place this week and so Thursday is for ladies only Friday Saturday for everyone. Go to SES.edu to find out more so Sean obviously just a few minutes. We can only get a little bit of what you been a presenter at the conference, but it isn't nailing mass about the the early apostles and their fate or can we be pretty confident about what happened to them what you think what I was at an event with some high school student unapologetic mission trip to Berkeley and we pride ate it speak to our students and I train my skin and their fate and is about five or six years ago. What makes disposable why. While the apostles I met an 80 Skype redlining.

Just give me some proof that anything died smarter and like in unanimity thank turned and looked at me and I would like. I don't know heard this argument. People talked about it. I heard pastors preach on I can never really examine the evidence to see if it's reliable what that launched me in my doctoral dissertation published it as an academic book.

I think the bottom line is Dr. Brown I think we can make an argument for this purity of fully their willingness to die. I think we can show that at least some of them died.

I think a lot of the stories that we packed cotton print circle. I really I think 700 years removed, and a lot of them are just probably met so what I aim to do in the confession is just talk about what you mean about Peter about Paula and the lead to possible is this actually good argument that help us know the resurrection. What really happened to these guys and how do we best make this point to advance resurrection. Ultimately, the gospel will you feel most confident about in terms of the apostles dying mortars, deaths, I would say probably the apostle Peter, we have two references in the first century.

In John chapter 21 and then in Clement first in his letter at first Clement the letter that was written about 95 9680 and I think we have about seven or eight sources in the second century and there's a consistent unanimous story that Peter was martyr date and there's no contradictory story. Apart from that, I think that if we have high probability that a very high probability all I think we had good evidence for both Jane James Benedetti then asked well then James, the brother of Jesus is mentioned and not Josephus and some other source or anything, son, and you are at least maybe more likely than not, and the rest of them I think are legendary there late there contradictory and we really don't know what happened to him to be honest in terms of where the evidence point license not saying that we know that they just went off on a cruise spent the rest of the life wining and dining.

It was a Mr. Moore. We just we just don't know for sure the fate of of a number of them that the thing that is so interesting is that you have key leaders where we feel very sure this good evidence saying that they were martyred for the faith and if you think of say that the best known Christian leaders in America for the last hundred years or 200 years. None of them were martyred in and you think if you're in England and other the greatest leaders of the day there and the Spurgeon's and the William Bruce of past generations and then other leaders in the the 20th century, and now to the 21st century, the same deal not martyred. You have to go over to Syria area of your India or Africa or other countries were were Christians a regular getting martyred, but this was the reality for the New Testament faith and yet things grew rapidly and supernaturally which attest to the reality of what the Holy Spirit was doing and the reality of Jesus rising from the dead. I think that's right. In that distinction. We have to make it. Leaders today you and I we have good reasons but we believe that we where we are not eyewitness of the wreckage either in the way the first apostles were company for Buddhism and Islam can die for that date back to show thirst here about what was passed on to them, second, third, fourth and the apostles saw the risen Jesus and the key is not so much that we can prove they all died as martyrs, but if you look at it again. It actually think that they number one believe in the resurrection number two. They were all willing to suffer and die for that. There's no record any of them recanted and made good reason at least to believe that some of them died as martyrs felt that the true Christianity is true.

Dining at one piece of the larger argument that you know what guys were making up they were inventing that they're not liar they really believe they thing the risen Jesus, they were willing to go pay the greatest price to pass on that truth and show the depth of their convictions and anti-gay foods to a Jesus said Alyssa grain of wheat falls in the ground and dies remains long as it dies that there is much fruit. Hey Sean, if folks want to follow you work fine about your books of the materials was the best place to go. Sure, I would think Sean McDowell.board Sean McDowell.org.net Sean S. EAN Sean McDowell.org hey I will be away during the apologetics conference. But great blessings to you and may the Lord wonderfully use you in the next few days in the Carolinas. Hey, thanks for having me on the neck. Keep up the good work) yes, great to talk to. Again, I again friends that was Sean McDowell.

The conference will be held and hosted vice and evangelical seminary to get the details S ES.E the you all right, I'm part of a video that's a compelling video about the city of the great King. The controversy surrounding the city of Jerusalem past, present and future, and this video is just coming out now we have it on DVD or you can download it directly and have it to watch just what was within within minutes of downloading it.

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My video my lecture on his is Israel an evil occupier. Every so often I go back to the PowerPoint I use that night when I deliver this lecture at University of South Florida. The plow quotes from it and anecdotes illustrations because as I felt that I delivered this with greater clarity than ever to explain the Jewish people in the lanceolate today, not so much a prophetic viewpoint but from historical viewpoint and to explain the legitimacy of the claims it's a real eye-opener and then were interviewing some of the other folks that were part of the city of the great King DVD. Let's get on a CD for you so order go to the line of fire. The line of fire towards the sea right there. My bottom line today. We have a faith worth living for and worth dying for. Without flashing without from Jerusalem to US politics all yeah, we've got you covered today on the line of fire stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. My guess is a New York Times best-selling author, perhaps you read his books on of the Islamic antichrist or when a Jew rules the world. He is executive producer for the covenant controversy series that appears on these videos these DVDs as well and the new one just being released this week I'm on as well.

The city of the great King focusing on Jerusalem. Why should this matter to every single believer. It is not just right now is a special time of the year tonight begins junkie for the day of atonement were Jews around the world would be an already starting other supports the world fasting, praying for forgiveness and atonement a great time for us is the body of Messiah. Pray for the opening of the eyes open to the hearts of the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but it's it's more than that. This is something that should be year-round. What the church should care about Israel.

I want to talk to my guess Joel Richardson about that were to focus on Jerusalem jolt welcome to the line of fire. Dr. Brown yeah thanks for joining us again. Joel, you are not Jewish. Don't come from a Jewish household. How is it that you have gotten such a tremendous burden for Israel and the Jewish people and feel that this is important for the body of Christ as a whole sure what my personal journey started probably 20 some odd years ago, shortly after it came to trade data messianic Jewish teacher Bible school that I was going through and really distribute influence of the Lord opened up my awareness of what I'll call the early Israel centric nature of the Scriptures and so for me the relevant importance of the centrality of Israel.

It really is an issue of simply understanding the culmination of God's redemptive plan ghetto for a lot of Christians. I think the issue of Israel's issue of Jerusalem detach from the gospel from being one of the reasons that I feel so aptly critical that one of the point.

But don't make is that this is not merely geopolitical nationstate that this is a peculiar people, in which I culmination of the gospel. The gospel itself, but the culmination of God's plan. I'll just run a piece of land, but literally for all creation. So basically if you care about the end of the story.

If you care about the climax of God's purposes for the world.

If you care about the return of the Messiah. Then you care about Israel and Jerusalem. It's really just a matter of aligning our heart with the things of God's heart are our intergroup you know it it's very easy that we get caught up in sort of visceral cultural barrier minimalistic gospel most often throughout the church.

The gospel is to summarize the gospel of the world that he gave his only got on that the ideas that someday we die and go to heaven forever. But the fact that matters when you actually read the words of the prophet read the gospel with your role as proclaimed by the pop up throughout the Scriptures effectually a very substantial message and it didn't fall. The literal redemption of the very specific city through which all the nations of the earth will be blessed in so we want to discern what is unfolding in Europe but it would 100 want to discern and understand why Satan is so enraged with this particular nation we need to understand the theological history behind holding right now is that much of the church just is not there yet. I got a break talk theology, but will talk politics. Everything were talking about today is of relevance for us today as well as for tomorrow. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice aboard cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and Lorenz to use on speaking with New York Times best-selling author Joel Richardson also filmmaker and teacher talk about the brand-new video city of the great King to find out how to get that package together with my lecture is Israel an evil occupier and some of these interviews with different leaders involved in the city of the great King go to the line of fire.org the line of fire.org. You see it right there on the homepage Joel.

Obviously we have to be careful when we look at prophecy and contemporary events, but having studied the Scriptures carefully over the years, with a focus on these issues in broad strokes what you see happening where biblical prophecy is being fulfilled in front of her eyes dart.

I like the analogy of the hurricane came from hurricane territory on the East Coast. Now that westerly tornado land. But you know we are hurricane but start out as this tropical depression and next thing you know the storm that is engulfing the whole East Coast organ all of the southern states were support Israel. In many ways is like that you know the Scripture favorite Jerusalem will be the burdensome store culmination outboard plans of redemption or unfolding. Eventually all of Europe is going to be holding in like magnet into the controversy that surrounds Jerusalem in very broad strokes.

I always make a sort of silly little clich�, I say with God is done with Israel very clear for anyone with a little bit of discernment.

The state has not received the memo. Yeah, the point is we can understand we can discern, we can see the rage of Satan as a swirling around Israel and it will only increase as we get closer to the completion of the Lord's plans went. Jesus himself will actually come back and as the Scripture say restore the throne of David from that very location the God of heaven and earth is going to rule all of your course. Why do you think there's so much world controversy over the city of Jerusalem. There, there is no city worldwide where whereby the of the whole world was to divided up a certain way. Everybody's got an opinion about it. I mean you got regional conflicts national conflicts around the world, but nothing that paralyzed this, why does the whole world care so much about Jerusalem, I think it took to get on it. If your throat keep going back to Spain but the Scripture favorite thing is the God of this world and so course, we can point all sorts of various naturally farewell. The reason that Islam is so focused on your switch point of Barrett's historical event but again I think we have discernment we recognize that there has been a fit of panic hand that has essentially been guiding history which is which is preventing this controversy the weather up Jerusalem, whether through the anti-Semitism of the church. Historically or through the UN, or any of these things we can see that there is a very real devil who is actually pushing and stirring up this controversy. Apart from that, there's really no logical basis to say why so much controversy raged hatred and division focused on this one particular city is really all the way to explain it. I come at this from a different angle till you're married with five kids. Someone living in the states is like I have family deal with. We got everyday life issues to deal with one of the kids is really sick you like cut back on hours of my job. It's is hard to open the food on the table. We got crazy political elections come up.

Some of us just went through hurricane.

Why should I care about it. So when I was can happen Jerusalem. It's like big to God. But he's in a take care everywhere is to happen is you happen was mean to me.

Unfortunately Joe, you know that many American believers think like that. The houses affect me and and that's my only real concern but if this is going to happen anyway.

God has his plan. Satan's gonna lose why should believers care did do we actually play a role in what happens or absolutely, of course, the church is that they are the we are called to be a watchman on the wall were called to sound the alarm and so forth. So you know there's a storm coming and if there's going to be various events that are to punctuate everything between now and the return of all sorts of in the long term Paul warns you very clear in Romans 11 listen to you Gentiles you been brought in by grace you been brought in by mercy because if there's one issue that don't want to get wrong don't want to follow into intricate Street arrogance or ignorance with regard to what I'm doing with Israel and historically we look at the long history of the church and this is probably the biggest issue that Paul warned about yet. This is probably the biggest issue that we are fallen down on you know if we're in 1930 Germany and your warning of a storm coming very relevant. There are very real.

Heart issues that the church, the theological issues which are behind the heart issues that we need to be prepared if we don't in the same way those Christians that we look back now, we judge the German church it out so easy, they failed so miserably but yet we find large church were doing nothing different to prepare for this controversy which elected only going to get worse.

But the will.

Let's not go far afield. But just switch directions. A slight bit you looked a lot Islam in recent years you looked Islam in the middle east and you've even written about the potential of an Islamic antichrist. What you see happening in the days ahead with Islam in the Middle East. Unfortunately, our pretty conservative American, I always tell the story after 9/11.

How George Bush stood there on the rubble of the World Trade Center, you know, these folks are going to hear from us soon and ovation sheared and I was on board and I was all on board with we need to go in and take out Iraqis violated all the UN, support for right now. As a result not just of what the United States was done, but through Barry through a handful of Trent the entire Islamic world is trending radically toward autism radicalism.

You look right now. I fix the screw paper recruited nearly 35,000 young people you look at the church in America today. We we raised 3000 missionaries young missionaries to get going to the Middle East to give themselves to the gospel in our life. This radical Islam is winning the propaganda war there there winning the hearts of many of these young Muslims you go back 20 years ago I hit you sort of assume great now radical Islam is always better probably go back 20 years ago 15 years ago. It was well below the Qu�bec strategy to political just before 9/11. This was not a problem. You know, we work as American foreign policy we were supporting the Caliban because the big issue back then was was the Soviet and so forth and so the radical Islam is exploding is metastasizing throughout the nation and my God and as boy foods as leaders of the body of Christ. We need to be saying what is it that they were appealing to one of the heart issues that they were appealing to among the Muslims you and what is it that we are failing to appeal to among the Christian you because now I want to I wanted know that my life mattered influenced a generation to give themselves to the gospel and in so you know Islam is doing it, but I am afraid that much of the church today work were doing just the opposite were losing it out just to typically were losing argue meanwhile they help they have a revival big it is. It is a revival and survival of death and destruction. And yet Joel you remain confident that right in the city of Jerusalem, the most divided contested city in the world. The purposes of God will stand in despite the rages of radical Islam and of the forces we got less than a minute before the break. What's your goal. What what do you want to see accomplished through the new video the city of the great King. Or, you know, I cannot think.

I would say whoever controls the narrative controls the argument and right now the argument the controversy over Israel. It it's really been taken hold out by those that are opposed to Jerusalem embrace spouse replacement theology, both of us were voices or leaders of the church youth in the church. We need to reclaim the narrative we need to bring the narrative back to that which was proclaimed by the biblical prophet. I want to lay hold of this present generation in and snatch them out of those that disruptive snare replacement theology that is truly blinding exam of the gospel blinding them to the very substance of the gospel we come back and talk Joel Richardson about that very issue. What is blinding the younger generation stand with Israel that the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown to be Jerusalem Jerusalem this is Michael Brown speaking with best-selling Christian author Joel Richardson were talking about the brand-new DVD will both thought it shows an executive producer of it. The city of the great King a real eye-opener about the controversy over Jerusalem until right before the break you mentioned replacement theology the idea that the church is displaced, Israel and the promises that were given to it. So for example the modern state of Israel is not a divine restoration or they are not future purposes for the nation of Israel also been displaced by the church. You say that this particular is hurting young people, young Christians and wanting their eyes in terms of of the nature and identity of who Israel is and what God is doing among the Jewish people. What you think. This is especially prevalent among the younger generation what you control the narrative controls when the debate you go all the way back to David and Goliath story. Everyone can relate to young revolutionary again in and step forward Jesus against the religious backers aristocracy. The young preacher what the day you know you have your average what they should go to seminary with Dave in his early 20 and he is looking at this debate in the way up. In frame you look at the way of being prime by those that Christ at the checkpoint and so forth and it's it on one side, it tray disorder.

You know the generation of my father. You know the sort of the Texas Baptist Bible belt, you know the Bible says you know God in America and Israel match made in heaven, the sort of thing. On the other side you have this very soft-spoken British Anglican vicar who just the waxing eloquently about how he once was. The dispensational us.

But now actually spent time in Israel he's been with the suffering Palestinian Christian support and you know you of course this young 25-year-old looked at both option is going to choose but thoughtful replacement theologian with an Oxford PhD in the sort of thing. And so it's so essential in oh and yes of course the report. There is voices like you and others, but it's so essential that those who are poised to take back the narrative and and and highlight the fact that while having the veneer of humility in the emphasis on justice. What is actually behind it is very real racism and actual demonic lead but demonically empowered theology which conveys a God who is not faithful. This is really what it boils down to. As ambassadors of the gospel as ambassadors of our father we conveying a God who is faithful or we conveying a God essentially in an and I'll just use the analogy, but we got tired of his previous bride and went out and got himself a new model because that's exactly what replacement theology essentially conveys that God divorced that old Israel and got himself a new bride, you know, and that this is the witness they were giving to the earth and we need to take hold of the narrative and bring it back. They don't know the message of God's faithfulness to Israel.

That is the message of justice that is the message that that is communicating the character of the God we want to communicate to the world. Yeah.

And of course what well setting, clearly sigil what what I believe is has happened and to come to come at this from another perspective is I was 155. But that was very close to the birth of Israel and 67, the Six-Day War, it was clear God was defending our people and fighting for people. I remember have having a friend of mine whose parents were Israelis and during the Six-Day War there listening what's happening on the radio and I go over to his house to play basketball and what we were both 12 years old her soul and the parents are tense over things that the victory in whose God fighting for Israel and then look ill that that the horrors of the Holocaust of the church been so ashamed and now Israel reversed in America: well, people grow.

Today Israel sold half Israel's been here forever to them and Israel are the ones with nuclear arms and Israel are the ones with all the military expertise in all the backing of America and all that is poor of Muslim Arab nations in one of they have. So it's extraordinary that these been turned around. The way they have ill look this terrible, brutal wall.

This horrific wall is supposed to. Here's a security barrier to keep murderers and snipers and terrorists out from the killing and maiming innocent people.

So it's it's almost as if the younger generation loving justice. One of the side with the victim and the underdog has bought into a partial narrative, a micro focus that is so micro it really misses the forest with the trees because of the trees and that's what we have to say of course we care about justice and there is a larger issue when you look at it this way, you'll see that one group does want to see it in the other really doesn't Joel just think that the city of the great King helps put things in better perspective for believers.

So, I think not only of the film put together a really going in artistic. It really is a work of art, but it also communicated in such a way, I think that the younger generation can get it it it it it's not trying to cut corners.

You know it's not trying to simplify the message affected early uncompromising BD bill, but it really does communicate a lot of the issues that United talked about that this is this is an issue of Jeff this really is an issue just note and it's interesting that you mention the issue of justice for the Palestinian Arabs are Muslim and of the film is primarily created by a team of people, most of whom are actually giving themselves to be Islamic world will eventually move their families into the most of THE primary focus of the most certainly not an issue of Israel versus the art.

This is an issue of walking out the gospel it out in appalling manner which recognizes that this gospel is first and foremost of the Jew and the reason it's first and foremost, to the Jew, is because that is the manner in which God has ordained his unfolding plan of redemption and I would like to save it. It's universal and it's just you know it just for everyone and of course it is. But in order to accomplish that that global plan of redemption. He chose one man.

It shows a man named Abram that he turned them into a family called Israel. He chose the city and you know that may offend some of us, but this is the way God always works.

You know it shows you what he chose me on just this week, struggling in a brown speed so to speak, but the glory and the beauty of who we will be after the resurrection that unfathomable in the same way that the city of Jerusalem and the nation of Israel.

If the if the city of contradictions and religious strife and ethnic strike and so forth.

The glory and beauty of what it will be when God himself comes back and dwelt there. That's what we need to communicate and fix our eyes on it. Understand that that's that's the goal that's what were working toward Joe.

I appreciate you letting it out clearly appreciate you joining us today. My guest Joel Richardson the new brand-new movie city is a great King powerful documentary monitor on his other friends, colleagues on it real eye-opener to the line of fire Deloitte fun at how to get that resource package together because of other very important life-changing resources ready Israel. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown. They had the status of Jimmy's which is a second-class citizen status. Now here they are in the land of Israel, Jamil Husseini became a colleague and comrade of Hitler famous pictures of him, together with Hitler working together for the extermination of Jews. Those are comments made during my lecture is Israel and evil occupier.

This is time to be thinking about Israel. This is time to think about the Jewish people because gnocchi pores really begun some parts of the world and in the land of Israel.

Right now it is now 1030 in the evening and there Jews will still be in the synagogue are praying at the Wailing Wall was just call the hotel the wall to religious Jews will be others who will be home now in the midst of a fast distorting the fast a few hours back and getting ready to go back to the synagogue for a day of prayer and repentance, asking God for mercy. Confessing sin in the most contrite way.

By the way of Donald Trump confessed his sins to God and man the way traditional juvenile at this time of the year she could go a long way in terms of finding the grace of God, but great time for praying for the Jewish people. The gobble open hearts and minds of my people would recognize that with no temple with the sacrifices God is and send us a better way. There's a better way is a better way.

Forgiveness is come in the person of Jesus. Yeshua the Messiah so by all means pray for Israel and or special resource offer this week. You can get my lecture is Israel and evil occupier diesel history to that I was asked to debate a Muslim or Palestinian activist at University of Central Florida about Israel and Israel have a right to the land was his real evil occupier did Israel mistreat the Palestinians.

We couldn't find anyone willing to debate us. So instead, I was asked by student groups that are just a lecture on this. I remember before the lecture started. The man came up to me with a backpack young man. I thought it was a students a dysfunctional part of the security here I'm carrying finances happens we got you covered.

Here we got the sky over here. The sky over there, they wouldn't even let me do open my Q&A I had to answer questions submitted by car because it just thought I could be dangerous with with open mic and someone coming up in approach you and whatever. So even do that but I did. This lecture, we had a great facility. There they got this massive place because I want to fill it with a debate and I thought, careful not to a debate just to talk. Mabel get 50 people 100 people slid through the small location went stiff with his monstrously large beautiful location on campus and because they had these big big screens behind us and get a great PowerPoint presentation and it's it's really eye-opening to sue Islamic leader 747, 42, a Jewish leaders were sent to look at some of the history leading up to the modern state of Israel.you'll find it really inform even the map that we put up at the beginning we see tiny little Israel surrounded by Muslim and Arab nations in Israel's land, one, 650th of the surrounding Muslim Arab nations. So when you get this were packaging together with a brand-new DVD. The city of the great King's forementioned now to make sure to forget it later just literally hot off the press. You can download these directly so he didn't have to wait for the DVDs and then some special interviews with those who were part of this new DVD about Jerusalem, the city of controversy.

The city of the great King to find out more go to the line of fire.org the line of fire.org to find out more. We come back. Yes, we are talk presidential politics again and I want to find out from a spiritual advisor and evangelical Christian who is been an advisor to Donald Trump not of endorser but an advisor has a feel that what happened over the weekend, counselors even adults office Donald Trump. Listening is evangelical church stands today, James Robison, I need to hear what he has to say about her plan gives the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown to the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown thank you joining us once more on the line of fire. So I'm writing talking a lot about what happened last few days with her presidential politics wrote an article yesterday. Why all the fuss about the tape with the vile, despicable comments by Donald Trump 11 years ago did everyone know that's who he was endorsing.

Didn't they know that's who he was. At least 11 years ago. Why the shock now enough course we want to see complete contrition a written article with King David can teach Donald Trump understand her there remain large issues that were looking at with the potential to reclaim presidency and and how do we decide what to vote on, but I'm really curious to get the spiritual side of this more the political side, I can't think of anyone better to speak about this than my dear friend and colleague James Robison.

James thanks again for taking time to be with us on the air today, we are much our love you respect to just think that we gotta be very careful of the big test today Morgan the national level and get my copy back my boss looking out but anyway the language more morning watching the political scene is the white Christian leaders in between each other. A passing judge one another when I don't even know what they're actually doing. We need to be praying for Chuck. I know there are number of the real strong spiritual leaders agreed to offer advice to any candidate that invited Amanda my been invited and now they been criticized for even trying to do but sorry wise counsel someone by have an endorsed eye which I think we better be doing better but candidate Mary Butler because it's obvious to people need wisdom and yet Christians talk about each other, just like you wrote about. I told you from the get-go. I don't believe it's best allies to endorse a candidate that I think you just tell them the truth, because if you do, endorsed, and all the other people might have picked up our centaur might repair my cup of beer. Ben Carson. Those people think that what you've already said you're wiser than Bama you've done bear some mouthwash we listen to you. You tell us what you think. So I was just trying to hold up truth to all every check I say I don't endorse someone endorsing party stores and exalted over standing up for everybody but if you are leading you felt like you were. I don't have the right to judge your heart Ben Carson heart because you might actually be the person that opens the door to back candidates are, who they would hear all of this more clearly so we gotta be very careful about the way we treat each other as you think the real test today is whether or not the church of Jesus Christ is going to actually look like his body connected to one another properly aligned and submitted according to the divine gift and all of us together submitted to the one, Jesus Christ, and whether or not the family of God's will actually behave like the children of the perfect I think that's the real issue and so I'm trying to build harmony among leadership.

I'm trying to ask him to take away the pharisaical tendency to judge one another. According to your own.

Christ is your spiritual walk can actually be on time. The other thing you know you talk about David. What he was so contrite.

Consider this, he had an intimate relationship with the Lord ship. He spent so much time with God. But even David was not contrite and broken until he made some said you're the man with the simple story and then he broke rightly so.

And he could express himself, or more appropriately been website some man that has not had an intimate walk with God and mistype Simon Peter when he denied Jesus three, boasting he's the bravest man on the planet. And when Jesus confronted. I don't see him saying, oh Lord, please forgive me. I'm so sorry it was so terrible, it was rotten. What I did was despicable teacher simply answered.

Basically all you know the truth.

You know the truth then you know the truth and the Lord every time said, feed my sheep, and who of us today in the ministry world would have ever approved Simon Peter and Jesus in such a short time to never see publicly how much he had repented, changed, and he would be the keynote speaker at Pentecost which of all these ministers were to put their program back. I think we better be very very careful how we try to determine what Almighty God might be doing with something that the rest of us don't even see clear images born record and save it. Whoever I'm speaking to. I embrace endorse and exalt truth to that person. I do it but I do it fearlessly and I do it forcefully because that's my demeanor. It's the way God made me and design and I have done that with Donald Trump and I will do it as long as I have gripped my hair and I will do it to Hillary Clinton. I will do it to every Boner and every person in every church member. I will proclaim the unadulterated word of God without apology. It's calling me. I'm going to declare the term and pray that we respond to it in brokenness and submission to the will of God.

That's proper and in in a time like this when it when you're speaking Donald Trump. This becomes a candidate but you speaking to visit as a human being who needs the Lord.

So right now if if if I was Donald Trump and you you were speaking to me you you I was guilty of a Visio. These these comments leak out from 11 years ago the shameful comments and I and I call you on the phone and say brother what what what will I do what what would you tell me if I was Donald Trump really did the raptor not telling the truth was broken and he was contrite and he goes in the room, all the people are trying to tell you appropriately cite everything in although he started his speech of a mic with vertical grid statements. That wasn't the contrition you got an exhausted man was going to art is that for several hours with all of these are the counselors and there was a lot of great spiritual power in that room because we don't have spiritually powerful people in the political echelon because the church storm all spy out so bad spy out so we don't have people in the right places. But then he comes out exhausted after our being on redo redo redo to try to use a Teleprompter screen on natural and and didn't come across so contrite and in the safe locker room talk that's absolutely unacceptable is not acceptable to the gutter and so for us to know this is what he hears might.

There has to be little announcement that person and you must not be held captive by your past. None of the shirt in America must not very and current leadership in class leadership has led this nation to become a prisoner of past rotten decisions and we must not be held captive in the past.

We must not choose leaders bite us a prisoner. It's always rotten decisions and policies and practices were going to break free from the past.

I'm going to break free from the past were going to do it together. And that's the kind of thing that needs to happen beat down everyone's spirit. We will not be prisoners of our past rotten decisions and inappropriate practices (message on the river now deliberately got it. I trust that you absolutely with what I see going back to the first point that you made that so concerns me is things have gotten so volatile now with elections among evangelicals among believers. Yes, I wrote in an article the other day about the danger of endorsing candidates avoid the sawdust that I endorsed Sen. Cruz effort right about doing it, but I may never endorse a candidate again and and one reason is that you now hyper divide over this because you will have one evangelical asked Mike Huckabee never liked Marco Rubio likes Ted Cruz and and then it almost brings out the worst in us and even wonders is God using these elections to expose a lot of rottenness in the body, but it's it's vicious is well. That's the main rottenness we need to say we don't try to deal with the rottenness and everybody else but the evil that lurks around and the weaknesses that we too often allow to take over when I'm doing my car you know because of my journey with you. You have so much soft and I have watched you based on our discussions become so much more obviously redemptive, even in your correction the way you get what I understand why such a precious manner, a son of a great man of God but Allah, and the way you save Andy, would you analyze this mean for Amy to analyze something in here for us to hear what Andy wants us to hear that Carol, this is what we come to the table of reason together. We don't wrangle urgently to the ruin of the hearers we come and sit in the presence of the Lord in writing horse into me you becoming a master now of tremendous corrective practices and words coming to me.

You become and the winds are more discerning, more cruelly anointed of God profit wider apologist than you ever been.

I can't tell you how thrilled I am at the Jesus is being manifest through Dr. Michael Brown. I know we need a miracle. We need to see a total transformation in many ways of the church family. One of these candidates, I mean whoever gets this study. The church had better be holding the standard up to because if we keep murdering the innocent, shedding innocent blood. Dr. Lamontagne burners, you do know this I get any higher than the same, you need to deal with these issues.

And when you teach people depend upon the federal government as a source and then you say you're taking care of the pool by handing them money or food stamps, and usually do not have a spin number use you don't know me but use among thoroughly eating food that causes them to get so obese and so sick now their own government healthcare, and there may be trading it for cigarette or alcohol or beer or drugs. We don't even oversee what we do with the people's money. When we say were helping the poor. I mean, we have become in him saying my ship. We are worse than submitted to Pharaoh's lease so that the father of lies� Awesome. Thank you again dear brother for joining us, our ears wide open. Keep speaking the truth that God use you speak truth to power. Think someone alleges her daughter file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown thinks about part of the line of fire to a 866-34-TRUTH 7884 I write regularly for the stream stream.org this is a website that is published by James Robison. It's got a tremendous group of editors and writers for minute brings in the best redemptive, constructive, insightful reporting from the Internet. It's a great place to go for news and for Christian commentary on the news.

I'm blessed and privileged to write for regularly and in fact all of articles will appear there as well as exclusives that I do for them as well so so check it out.

That stream.org and here's an interesting article here Catholic leader. Why serve in a Catholic advisory committee on the trump pence campaign the agony of the Republicans. My recent article why all the fuss over the trump sex comments tape so check out the website. I think you'll find it very very helpful and if I'm at a farm but with is an inspiration section as well and their sections on size technology God and arts entertainment so check it out stream.org II think I should mention this because James Robison was kind enough to to mention things that have been interacting with others or constructive criticism and the inner in a fruitful way in a way where the goal was always to be fruitful and constructive and life-giving, life building, so James mentioned my interaction with with and the Stanley pastor, the largest church in America believe one of the most influential pastors in the world and a man who's been nothing but gracious to me privately and made himself available to me to direct message on Twitter and to email back and forth through much because I know he's he's super busy and I know it's like when people try to bombard me a lot. But Saturday night I was speaking at a conference in California and the lead speaker at the conference, made the statement quote Andy Stanley's mega church accepts same-sex marriage. So as the speaker was speaking dear brother, a great scholar and theologian, but had heard certain reports about any Stanley's church that they'd given that understanding I sent to direct message to Andy. I said this I'm speaking at a conference in the lead speaker just said Andy Stanley's mega church accepts same-sex marriage would you like me to say anything to him and the conference. If so, what and immediately Pastor Stanley wrote back to me. We don't. You can tell him and ask him to corrected publicly. Thanks I did immediately. That next morning I told the leader. He said one of few immediately corrected publicly which I did.

Then shot a note back to Andy and said Don and he said thank you so all that's to say that we had differences on certain points. I wrote an article recently on questions for any Stanley about the Bible and send it to him and he appreciated me sentiment we interacted privately. First so I can make sure I understood what his points were in them. What I agree with what I firm took that on the radio and where had some questions and differences still and and my friend Dr. James White has raised some a more acute form of others friend Dr. Frank Turek have have been more sympathetic to what Andy Stanley said. So these are Dr. Al Mohler has has been very critical of Prof. Scott McKnight sympathetic so this is a discussion happening in the body, but my point is this that again. Andy Stanley immediately wanted to be no no, this church does not accept same-sex marriage, and he wanted me to corrected publicly when it came up now because one of the corrected publicly. I'm correcting it now national radio for those who have heard other visa but I heard this I heard that he said this, he said that I'm telling you I'm looking at his direct message to me and answers the question. It is said that instance mega church accepts same-sex marriage would like me to say anything and if so what. And again he wrote back immediately. We don't. You can tell him this week at the conference and ask him to corrected publicly thanks out what's my point. Notice my point is we can have differences we can raise questions and we can do it in a way that's destructive or constructive Nelle there's some people completely outside the faith we need to call them out for blatant heresy.

There are some people who are on a dangerous life and we need to do our best, but in every case we we call out redemptive in NM. Additionally, we can't be strong. It doesn't mean we can't be clear to them and we can't be direct does mean we can't sound the alarm. That doesn't mean that we don't say this is dangerous right I'm saying whatever the cases of the strong generically, but let us do whatever we do redemptive and not listen. I've done plenty of things wrong and I and I tried to reach out to people and maybe been too aggressive and push them away.

Or maybe they think I want to do is debate may not want to debate me, so I am far from perfect in this, but to whatever extent I can build bridges rather than burn bridges want to do that and that's what James Robison was saying at this time of extreme volatility within the body.

Today an extreme division within the body. Today that point let's talk to each other, not past each other and not through each other.

That means when you want to talk to me about what you think I did wrong or said wrong, that before getting all of my case in order to demolish her position before I get when I talk about debating a radical Muslim okay and where my goal in debating radical Muslim is is to demolish their false arguments and present the truth, which I met a brother or sister who differs with us on something that it's very easy for us as were listening to them to just put our reputation together to show how wrong they are without ever saying is any truth to what they're saying someone asked me the other day with book reviews that are posted meaning nonprofessional just on Amazon and other places.

How we deal with the critical ones will ever look to see if there's truth in it so well. Sometimes I read all of them if it's just if they're not a lot posted, or if is a lot of other stuff going on it many times and get to see a lot of reviews and things posted because the flood of stuff that comes out, and some of them are just trash the men to be trash there from hostile people that they read the book I semester is from an actual reader and have initial course look at it FFI. The time is from an actual reader and they raise issues that is there truth to the criticism.

Of course I think that way because none of us are perfect or systemic, right preach and teach will save it. We come with a position of humility and then a fluorite rewrite could find no problem. But we don't come with the position of I've never done anything wrong. I've never said anything wrong and never thought anything wrong. Therefore, you can never say anything to me about me doing anything wrong because it doesn't apply, that's not the human race hate spouses, family members, remember that to seek to be peacemakers rather than troublemakers.

All right, let's really be in prayer.

Prayer for the candidates prayer for Christian leaders who were close to these candidates. Prayer for the church in the nation.

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