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Give your report on that shortly. It is Friday were live in Atlanta if you're anywhere in the Atlanta area. By all means join me at Bethel. I'll miss any congregation tonight.

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I think 11 o'clock tomorrow morning and then also the preaching of the church on Sunday in the Atlanta area so will will give you all the info will have it. It was on my turrets on Esther to Brenda k your brother or just go there for the itinerary or find it all. We had a great event last that we had a great turnout with folks and overflow many watching on Lifestream and again I'll give you a report on that play a few clips from the Rabbi debated and if you got a question any question of any kind. Any subject of any area of expertise. I have under the sun. 866-34-TRUTH 784 strike which means you've got questions. We got answers 86634.

Truth is the number to call if you remember in all the years of Pres. Obama's administration when he introduced the affordable healthcare act, which became known as Obama care. I had little to nothing to say about it the entire time. Just like I did little or nothing to say about economic issues. There are not areas. God's had me focus on announcing their unimportant. I'm not saying that they are not essential but they are not areas of expertise for me and they're not areas were God has burdened me to focus on these things. So because of that I had very little or virtually nothing to say about this. Through the years of it being debated and then being becoming the law in the same way I have very little to say about what is called healthcare.

I don't know much.

My only hope would be that something more radical than what's currently being proposed would would be legislated so that there could be something better for all of America but I do not have expertise on it. I don't have the ability to comment on it so simply pass by that and let others more equipped to discuss the discussion so you have a question about that. I really have the best one to call. Also, when it comes to the confirmation of justice Neil Gore such if the Democrats do go ahead and filibuster.

I believe it will only hurt them if people did watch hearings on TV they see that just score such handle himself very, very well, but I don't know. I don't know what he'll do once he is officially appointed I don't know what kind of justice. He'll be I have friends fervently praying for him to to be appointed and to be voted and I have folks solid friends same were absolutely thrilled and delighted with his appointment and he's going to be a great justice.

Where will he come down on issues having to do with gay active visitors. Gay activism versus religious liberty.

Where will he come down on issue say having to do with abortion really come down on other issues that are of concern to conservative Christians in America. Those are all fair questions to ask that some say but look if if you were if you were listening to to the hearings in the city. A fetus is not a person will, I believe he simply saying that under current legal definition that that it is it is not the same when he said that the ruling Roe V Wade has been refer many times in this precedent. Yeah, he's just talking from a legal viewpoint that's the case we have to have good reasons to overrule the and what I believe it was Diane Fienberg. Was it who was Feinstein who was asking him was a super precedent for Your return to France when others are such things as resident of Your return. Supreme Court overturns of many time, but either way I am not looking to the Supreme Court to change America looking to God through his people will be right back for cleansing by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution.

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I'm sitting next to Jonathan Mann. Jonathan was one of the organizers for last night's debate. He is a Jewish believer in Yeshua and he is part of Russia Christie which is an apologetics group on many campuses in America and some other nations, and Jonathan, have you had other debates on the campus. This is Kennesaw State University. Have you sponsored other debates.

There yes we have. We sponsor a debate in April 2016 with Dr. Richard Carrier is a myth assist atheist and Dr. Craig Evans and the topic did Jesus exist and inhabit how Decca wrote it was corresponds with the atheist humanist agnostics.

They chose the topic carrier. He was very persuasive to a lot of people.

Evans didn't really have a good understanding of carrier's arguments, but on obviously the evidence on the side of the historicity of Jesus and of course Dr. Evans. This is a brilliant scholar yes how things play out the debates wanting another and ever how many folks attended that that one probably 285 God okay and any other debates. Yes, we just had our last debate October 2026 to 2016 October we had Dr. David Wood verse Dr. Michael Shermer Edwards, a former atheist Dr. Shermer is a former Christian and David Wood. Of course famous for his atheist to his the Islamic debate yes yes and that he actually stayed to Wednesday to do a talk on the topic.

What is the currency of the Bible. We had a large attendance and was great is really great and and what kind of effect. This is have talking students on campus, building the faith of believers, challenging nonbelievers become effective. Have you all one thing, it strengthens on the faith of the believers and also gets people to start a dialogue on campus on these debates. Basically, it's not necessarily about someone things this person when this person lost but actually the conversation going. We can talk about the issues and wonderful at an end.

What's the general atmosphere on the campus. In fact, to tell me about coloring books. Okay so yeah during finals week. A lot of times you have coloring books in the library you'll have a therapy dogs. Syria is this is universal like 38,000 students. Yeah, about that the 34,000 after campuses, Marietta and Kennesaw and and has Anke, how have they had coloring books during finals. I can say for the past two years I've been is my third year. Maybe it is the last time but yeah been there so because it's stressful to have final silk coloring books helps people. The guy just walking [like unhealthy source okay so, otherwise how liberals the campus how this typically liberal in that respect, typically liberal. Yeah, one thing I would say we just had a recent the African studies program and the interdisciplinary space program.

They had a conversation on the topic of American Muslims, you know, that's one thing. Try to get the perspective like Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, and people who are bigoted. If they think otherwise and that seems to be at general trends of liberalism not be one example.

But Eric and I Eric's the vice president Russia Christie. We won equipment there to challenge the suppositions and challenge the atheist groups on campus.

The Muslim group on campus. We brightened our meetings try to be really inclusive. Having a dialogue to the room again yeah got it all right. So you asked me if I would do a debate with the rabbi were Orthodox Jewish scholar on his Jesus Infusionsoft course I do every week if I could but I said to be hard to to get someone to debate and see what happens okay so Brian Crawford is the basal he leads apologetics at her chosen people ministries of the Fienberg center in Brooklyn, New York, and I got connected through him through one of the students I met at messianic conference call arch leadership Summit and basically one of the books that was on the apologetics of reading list for the class was ashen orange book 26 reasons why Jews don't believe in Jesus, so I knew Jews for Judaism and other rabbis would do it right, but I knew he's independent and I figured I would just string the book is a popular book with you. I cannot's popular book is in lectures on the subject that is enthusiastic. I basically label to call up and talk on the phone for an hour and is more interested in debating the editing messianic than talk about the logistics of the debate, but it eventually graduates are so we had all set up for last night. March 23. Again, I was thrilled.

He was Jim Dudek agreed to let everything be videotaped and distributed.

Each party would have the video to put it out afterwards and then on Monday, so this is talking Monday of this week so three days before the debate, you can call yeah I got a call I got a voicemail from Mrs. Norman, his wife and she was very upset. She is very sad and I was very very freaky on Frank talking to my other officers in the cloud and try to figure week and I called you? She was upset because she was upset because ashen ornament that is not even talking about what happened.

He got an illness yes got yet to hospital yet pre-existing medical condition. She said, and it flared up about two hours.

Like I've emailed him literally that day about the debate and then two hours later he and he had been prepare he really wanted to be here. You really want to be there is really upset that computer and and remarkably, this debate had been advertised in the Atlanta Jewish times and this shocked me because you think Jewish community does not want to promote a debate about his Jesus the Messiah, especially many, many would know me and put on this good debater. So why another philosophy is why expose people to my deception to my error to units of these things might know the Jewish 22nd debate this exciting and debatable.

It's like debate about the Holocaust happened so here it is a full-page ad on the back cover the Atlanta Jewish times.

So the Jewish community knew about this and there were people that were planning to calm you got responses from a good number. I was so excited when I saw that the measures times not only put in the paper. Give us the best deal possible. Put on the back cover reading Nasser that and when I put I made in Eventbrite Jewish � Messiah � debate on Eventbrite.com and we got close to 90 people are RCP bringing people came and bring their tickets Jewish people from the community to the debate.

All right, so, and in week. The room we got can only see like 250 or something but then we had several overflow rooms.

Yet we had about three or four overflow rooms that was repacked. Those are packed awesome and and then on top of that we had the lifestream and their whole congregations watching it in other parts the country so this was all set up and it so happened that when you called me with the news or texted me there were a bunch of things that were happening just in stuff in my own life and family and stuff redoing some wild things that happened that we were. We were just everywhere, laughing about having deal with this, this, this, and I salute you haven't heard, the real news yet so I am and I wasn't in a panic, but I isolate outcome and do an outreach lecture with with Susan open my Q&A but I want to debate.

I want the Jewish side to be able to put their best foot forward and I should. Norman wanted to reschedule for the future, which hopefully still cancel amazingly local rabbi Orthodox rabbi of scholarly background and Talmud, but also does, missionary work is on his little online bio the discount missionary work. He agreed to step in. Only problem was it was there in his first bar mitzvah in the family. So as I guess this is all the sun is about to get permits for that. Was this this weekend and have family coming in town all this, but he got cleared to do it. So Rabbi Daniel Fry tag stepped on short notice. What he tell you, but his motivation for doing it only told his motivation will first of all, he said I was very upset when I saw the Jewish times at he thought ashen order wasn't the better presentation of his position. He thought he was better personally. Also, he said physically. The Jewish side. They don't have a voice to Dr. Brown. Just as a lecturer. He needs to step up there and on speakers. People I told him about how I might yesterday. My background is on Jewish families use my parents Jewish conservative in the form from Queens, New York. In Cleveland, Ohio. So you know we got the same foot there and when he heard that I was Jewish, and the vice president Eric Mattson, Jewish and one thing interesting happened is when I was on the phone with him talking about this. I said I value truth more than prove myself right and as soon as I said that he says giving.

He was interested. He's even if it's just me. Even if conflict made Orthodox Judaism work right so so he he did debate this night, and in fairness I want to say to any any Jewish friends listening. I understand that it was, not the. The primary spokesman may be that that has devoted his life to these issues and some of the didn't have been the months or years of preparation for a specific event. I believe he adequately represented the fact that Judaism is all about and observing the Torah, keep the commandments, etc. but II don't I don't want to give the impression that it was that this was the very best argument that a rabbi could could bring a want to be as fair as possible.

I was still pleased though to have the opportunity to do it because what's interesting is I made an opening presentation seeking to demonstrate from the Scriptures that Jesus assures the Messiah of Israel and that presentation over to a half-hour debate that she never got touched or rebutted, which is maybe the most fascinating thing of all. So so what I will be right back. This will get a couple more perspectives from Jonathan who helped set this up last night and I will be back will start with your questions. 866-34-TRUTH. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, you've got questions, we've got answers. Howard yet to answer your question, any question under the sun is not to be anything to do with last night's debate, any question under the sun.

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We got answers 866-34-TRUTH 784 so. Talking to Jonathan man is when the leaders at rush of Christie, which is an apologetics group on different campuses in America, he's at Kennesaw State University campus of 34,000 students and I asked him last segment how liberal the campuses and eat just remembered some assert such Jonathan, please, please tell our listeners what you just told me during the break.

Okay, so they host Kennesaw State hosted a leadership conference and I went as Rusher Christie of Pres. Trento gets more skills at leading and at the beginning of the conference.

It was established that said, this is Howard R speakers are running. This is a leadership confidence leadership conference. The training people with leadership skills is okay at it for four people from across the country as keynote speakers and each speaker was required to say before they begin their preferred gender pronoun in the middle of the first biggest presentation he said oh I forgot. Okay, it's he is in him know I okay vicious S phase, probably here at absolutely unbelievable here hand hang on one second. Just get it Mike a little closer hate Johnny tell me just go ahead and keep talking to me. Jonathan all right limit.

Let me know if word redid their sound is not will share all share one like yourself. The league had leaders coming in from around the country leaders conference and they give a talk about leadership sales is all it was a local local leaders but the speakers commitment country and their god it got it okay and and they they are the start office and okay my preferred pronoun (he ham her or she, she, her or overseas zero when it with any like that yeah so the men in the main the main sessions. They were all it was obvious as a guy is that he but I went to the safe space that said not to say that sunset is a space but to save space. Locate the session on it but want one of the speakers he identified as gender nonconformity so he said my pronouns are they there is in them, right. So when you refer like let's say I'm talking about. I'm talking generically about hate somebody might want to do this and you don't know what their preferences, so I went from someone a singular to their plural is of just talking generically right so that's how I had someone on with me the other day intersects with talking about her sister and said they were referring to the cyst because the sister identifies as transgender salicylates, neither male nor female.

It's as they cycle is to people or one of its is very sad when you hear this all okay yeah Appalachian State University's writing center now advises students to include disclaimers in academic papers indicated that they are using gender neutral pronouns in an effort to be inclusive part of what okay so the rabbi said rabbi Fry tag for debate, even if it's worth converting you to Orthodox Jews and bring you back to Orthodox Judaism. It's worth a debate just for yourself what affected the debate have on you what the date of well I saw that he misrepresented Dr. Brown's your your your position on keeping the commandments basically presented the gospel as you need to believe in Jesus so you can stop keeping the law that God gave us like so in other words, the whole reason that you believe in Jesus is industrious, since now you don't have to keep the Sabbath. The dieter left is no connection between the two other first followers of she will reduce a good percentage of the people there were messianic Jews who go to messianic allegation and and joyfully keep the biblical calendar are not at not to earn the favor of God but because Jews so the whole argument had nothing to do with the subject is Jesus, the Jewish Messiah, and in fact Johnny grabbed clip number one. Let's hear directly from rabbi Fry tag what he had to say at the beginning of his talk. The only reason I'm here is because of two basic things. This event was advertised to the Jewish community in the Jewish times and I had a good talk with the president here mentioned that the president and vice president of the chapter were born Jewish. I'm here to speak.

The Jews, I'm here because somebody reached out to my people to try to tear them away from their father and I apologize to you who are righteous people, spiritual people. Bible believers for my strong talk tonight to explain to you why Jews were willing to give themselves up to be God by the stake cannot accept this idea.

All right, so of course he's talking about Jews being forced at the edge of the sword to convert to Catholicism and other horrors that you suffer the thread written about in my book are handsome stained with blood to help Christians understand what Jews have lived through through the centuries and how they often view the church again was a fundamental misperception with the debate was about as far as presenting the gospel is great. When I got to presented nonsense without without reputation rebuttal transfer debate.

I was I was sad because I wanted to be more of a back-and-forth we can really attack the points better but as far as getting the present the gospel clearly thank him for the opportunity of let's assume a more clear for the rabbi. We can hear that the point that he's arguing. Clip number two we were to believe that Jesus was the Messiah to the that he has changed that change that that mandate that really what I mean. Daniel Friday what I need to do is to cut out the commandments. Stop keeping Shabbat stop keeping kosher. What I really do is figure out a way to accept somebody who died for my sins that all I need is for there to be one place.

In this book 1 just wants anywhere first person statement to me from God that says dear Jew, I changed my mind.

No longer shall you keep the commandments for the Messiah will come and through his death. You will no longer need to keep the commandments. Once course that was never the issue that was to take so that was very easy to answer, then also to point to also to point to the fact that God should first person care might make a new covenant with the house of Israel. Genesis said it could mean the same content the same law which is supernaturally kept or it could mean new law new content that the passages and say either way.

But again, the first followers of Jesus sure were all Jews who lived as Jews.

Jonathan you know that your say because of what the Messiah did not say because of your own righteousness. Rome works the very holiest day of ever had the most commanded keeping Dave ever had the most Sabbath honoring Dave ever had as I can save you why it's important you though to identify as if you live is that you well because I am a Jew I I know that by believing in Yeshua the Messiah doesn't mean I give up my Judaism that are given my heritage and I give up my culture, I remain as you issue himself. He didn't come to start a new religion is just the Jewish Messiah, the disciples, that's what they they saw it, they just on as the Jewish Messiah, and I just want live in a consistent way.and you don't submit to the authority of the rabbi's respectively. You don't submit to their authority.

Otherwise you can believe in the Messiah right and and what you think.

Overall, was the effect on Jews that came aside, if you talk to any what what what. Sure hope or expectation is to have time for that week about our friends ready to take your calls if you watch the debate give me a call. 866-34-TRUTH the call-in questions we are ready to go. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown, did you watch the date last night. He did this lookee here for reading lots of online comments. Can you call 866-34-TRUTH submitted for with your impressions, but again any question may come about through the emails as well. So I'll be finishing up with Jonathan here in a moment, and then any question of any kind whatsoever you and asked me if you want to differ with me on something challenge me 866-34-TRUTH 784 so Jonathan obviously your your goal in doing this debate is to spark conversation on the campus, but to reach the larger Jewish community get. We had a good turnout from the larger Jewish community. You know that from folks you met with interacted with and then many watch online and then it'll be on YouTube. Subsequently, so food people will be able to continue to watch what kind of comments and traction. Did you have afterwards. Yeah it really strengthen the faith of the believers I talk to her because I would just say the same thing I just said here that he was trying to refute something that you can even believe yourself. He was getting a strawman argument. So it really encourage them and a lot of people said that a come to our meetings because of the debate from nonbelieving Jews that came there a couple of them I heard was one I wish Asher Norman was the guy doing it or he he went on better when I heard was on what we talked about in the rebuttal.

Rabbi Freitag how he didn't really engage with your arguments. One person that I talked to set an Orthodox person said well you know type to prepare that into my good answer because he couldn't at least said if you're misquoting Mitt miss translating or taking out of context of any of the Tom Whitaker or Scripture are literature than he could've done it but he failed you and the other thing is getting fairness, yet he didn't have time to prepare. On the other hand he's done, missionary work. He is an educated rabbi at leading Colella study group here and I will think is pretty standard stuff in in in other words, if you if I asked him to give a lecture on hundred subjects.

He's familiar with Ms. need that much time to prepare, but that the bottom line to me is okay fairness.

Let's just say if you had time to prepare for the better but no problem with that again. I really appreciate him stepping forth. That's was that I felt bad that there could be been someone who is had more time to prepare entrance Rabbi Freitag it's heroic.

He did what he did not love his devotion to to our people. So I commend him for it for stepping forward but again I want to be fair and and say do your best to look at the truth content not okay deduct from when the debate is and that since it wasn't. It was an affair set up look allocate this. Examine the points that were made. Look at them, but from the start. He kept saying that you know I'm dispatching things together misquoting so if you make the charge that was my issue. You make the charge than back it up.

You know if if I say to you in on the basketball court may, I could slam dunk over you with my eyes closed. Any day of the week and then use okay let's do it. Let's do it. Here's the basketball it's doing something to do it you want I could do this any day the week and then at the end say hey if I had if I had time to get in shape. I could do it so that that was the odd thing to continue to refer to what I misquoted, took out of context and not give a single example in all the 12 minute rebuttal time eight minute rebuttal time and and then five in the closing statement and then all the Q&A and then say with a few seconds left at the end like I'll have a few seconds and I've talked to this but come talk to me privately. I gladly will that I thought okay on them, carpet for that submittal you do that and if you had something bring it so.

And in that sense I do hope you forsaken and I do hope that will reconsider and Jonathan folks on a visit at Bethel Ellis there listening anywhere near Atlanta where where is it located 950 Pine Grove Rd., Roswell, GA 30075 I say it one more time. 950 Pine Grove Rd., Roswell, GA 30075 right and they can go Friday night service Saturday morning service yet Friday at 8 PM and Saturday at 11 AM and that's every week. I did have a website yes Beth hello.org Beth Hillel.org maybe I'll see some of you there tonight.

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I will start in round rock, Texas BJ, welcome to the line of fire. Yet I hello, I've been thinking a lot about. And you're there. I would like that obviously the right way to do it right you lately haven't been to think more and I can think of at the book of John. I'm gone a llama guided by the end of the world. I think all fit right back over Lambert by first beer that I cried or are in his body on the tree and note down like very different very different backer by buddy never clearly spent like to note right in the exact equivalent of the Old Testament back and he never spent like you know Christ with our current offering wave offering budget make all the absolutely yet though. There's a great price Jewish perspective yet will let me first start here and say that not all sacrifices were substitutionary in that respect, or were were life for life.

In that respect. You know, some of them just symbolize devotion to Nazirite vow or or various various aspects of things to different aspects of consecration, etc. but penal substitutionary atonement would say that the Messiah Took Our Pl., Messiah eat for our sins. I would find that explicit and say Isaiah the 53rd chapter where it says that we thought he was dying for our sins for his sins but he fact was dying for our sins. He was he was pierced for our transgressions that all of us like sheep on the screen with the Lord laid on him the iniquity of us all.

And the Lord made him and Schaum, a guilt offering. That's quite explicit. Paul is quite explicit in saying that the Messiah died for the ungodly. While we were yet sinners, Messiah died for the ungodly. He's he's quite explicit there of first John tells us that the Messiah Jesus is the propitiation for our sins so he's the one that the turns away wrath and the sacrifices offered on our behalf. That's explicit. The idea of substitutionary atonement to me is is without question taught emphatically in Scripture and from a Jewish perspective is emphasized in the debate last night. Judaism recognizes what is called the atoning power of the death of the righteous and the concept goes like this that when you have a generation. Let's say that that there is great sin in our generation in the Jewish community and now you have say the finest leader the finest Jewish leader in the community considered to be the most righteous men in the communities 40 years old and and he dies suddenly you say why would that happen. Well, the concept would be that because he was innocent. He was so righteous he had so much Marek that his death which was undeserved takes the place of the death of all the others, which is a deserved death. I quoted some of these texts last night, for example, Orthodox Jewish historian barrel wine referred to an old Jewish tradition dating back to biblical times that the death of the righteous and innocent serve this in expiation for the sins of the nation of the world self. If the generation would repent than that innocent, a righteous person's death would take the place of their their sins so hard Jewish mysticism.

Referring to Isaiah 53, a righteous man is never afflicted safe to bring healing to his generation to make atonement for a 17th-century chronicle of Jewish suffering called Evan Matsu law quote for since the day the holy Temple was destroyed. The righteous are seized by death for the iniquities of the generation a few years back. There was a horrific slaughter in a synagogue. Palestinian terrorists killed for it. Jewish rabbis in early morning prayer in the heart know if community and Orthodox Jewish community in Israel and family members wanted the pictures to be released which showed that the blood trails of blood that the not the people themselves, but that the horrific Jewish garments of prayer just covered in blood, is utterly horrific and and you think how could that happen.

Why would that happen silk shortly after they died. One rabbi offered this eulogy and said each of these four could go shame, which is holy men who were killed.

The Sikora bond, a law is a burnt offering and it is their blood that has stopped me DOS ID and which is the attribute of justice from tech or judgment from taking vengeance on all of call Israel on the entire congregation of Israel, so his point was that these rabbis who died died because of God's anger and judgment on the Jewish community as a whole and their death serves as a sacrifice so these are concepts found in Judaism. I didn't know about them.

BJ when I was growing up because I wasn't a religious Jew and I didn't have the traditional background that would be the Jewish connection there as far as the idea of Lamb of God. Some have suggested that that's a separate image that that is not the that is not the image of substitutionary atonement but of deliverance associated with the Exodus and that it was his blood.

Because of which the destroying angel past, but I personally believe there are other aspects of atonement theology so-called Christus Victor which emphasizes the victory of Jesus and his death and resurrection. I believe those are very true as well.

They are part of it, but the heart and soul of it is substitution and it's a concept that already existed before the time of Jesus or current with it in that the time of the Maccabees that some said that as they died. The righteous martyrs.

It was like atonement for the nation and things like that even a theology about Isaac did this exist in the time of Jesus. Some Jewish scholars say yes, some say no, but that when Isaac was bound on Mount Moriah, the arcade, the binding of Isaac in Genesis 22 that some say that that actually serve as a sacrifice, even though he didn't dies with if he did die to atone for the sins of Israel so that would be some Jewish background to the concept I get into it at length in volume 3 of answering Jewish objections to Jesus.

I believe answer 3.15 and I have a special section on it in the real culture Jesus as well about the atoning power the death of the righteous. So hope that helps you BJ debate last night you had a debate last night and will be posting a YouTube link to it shortly.

I was debating rabbi on the question of is Jesus, the Jewish Messiah and that would tell me that you're not following me either on Facebook or twitter because we posted numerous times.

So do not follow the on pace Facebook Twitter is not getting my emails because we did a special E blast about it. Go to asked Dr. Brown a SK DR Brown.org sign up for E newsletter. This way you won't miss an important debate like last night's and if you want to connect with us on Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, all the links are right there and ask Dr. Brown.org hey BJ, thank you for the great questions and again it's not a matter of either or and Ellen encourage you always to look at substitutionary atonement is the heart and soul of what Jesus did on the cross but not the only thing he did on the cross.

So yes, the heart and soul of it and then there are other theologies of atomic that I think highlight recognize lesser aspects or other aspects of what he did and you can send the book of acts of the preaching is more the declaration of the fact of it that he died and that he rose and of course we need to emphasize that fact and the truth, but bottom line.

The reason that were forgiven. When we put our faith in him is because he died for our sins. That remains the heart of the gospel. First Corinthians 15 what is Paul right there when he wants to remind them of the foundations were to say first Corinthians 15 he says this. Moreover, brothers and sisters I declare to you and me just read it for you here. I did, I declare to you the message I preached you, which you received, which are standby which are being saved.

Hold fast to the word I preached you as you believed in vain for deliberate US of first importance what I also received that Messiah died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures. That's the fundamental died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures that appeared safest than to the 12 hate.

Again, thank you for the question and Steve Mark your next.

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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown welcome welcome to the line of fire questions got answers 86687884 number to call. We go to Torrington, Connecticut Steve, welcome to the line of fire. Dr. Brown, so I looked. I am a Gentile and I looked at the congregation that might be close to me and I want to take my family to visit would be a blessing in educational and I reviewed the website I started at eight a very strong wording said you know were happy to administer to Jewish laborers were happy to visit McMaster to mixed families.

Jew and Gentile together. However, we basically started to strongly encourage you if your exterior Gentile to seek a church home elsewhere because we want to maintain our Jewish identity and it could be difficult for you shall am not not condemning that but I thought that that seemed a little contrary to the spirit of the gospel which is no Jew or Gentile. No male or female. No bond or free, and yet so out other thing up and I'll and I'll let you speak to that if that's what you'd like, I will all clear Steve it's it's a great question.

It's a great question.

So let me give you the bad and then the good, here's the bed. Yet there is one new man in the Messiah yes is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Messiah. This Messiah came to bring down the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile.

Yes the prophets spoke of the messianic era and in the messianic era. They said that Jew and Gentile would be side-by-side worshiping God I is a 19 even speaks of Egypt, Syria and Israel is one of Israel's.

The third part worshiping the God of Israel and in that context. Paul understands that the messianic era has broken in, and therefore we are jointly in fellowship together so that's that's the one thing that's bad that's negative with that. So let's let's understand why it structures different than the spirit of the gospel and why I can appreciate your question about another good site.

Good side says this hate.

We have a specific mission and calling to our people wanted to reach out to the lost sheep of the house of Israel with the good news that Jesus she was the Messiah to to announce that you don't have to forsake your Jewishness to fall knows the whole argument of the rabbi last night that you want me to believe in a man to die for my sins. What I have to keep the Sabbath anymore. Slick who said that want. Why would that be the case so we want to show that that you can be Jewish and follow Jesus you as Messiah and and if the congregation is filled with Gentiles, then it gives a feeling of inauthenticity to Jewish people coming in acus.

If you like what is this now you might say will that's the very thing what is this this is the new covenant model. I affirm that I appreciate that that we are one of the Messiah, Dr. Mark Kinzer has advocated what he calls a bilateral ecclesiology, meaning we have one body doesn't mean that Jews don't worship the Jews and Gentiles to worship Gentiles not I fundamentally categorically reject the larger ecclesiology the larger church Congregational philosophies espousing but I appreciate his heart, which is to say luck you go to messianic congregation. This is very common in different parts the country girl messianic allegation it's 8090% Gentile. You've got Gentiles dressing as Jews in very specific Jewish ways. You've got a correlational leader who has some snow Jewish background leading it and you walk in. There is a Jew and you think what is this, this is not to design the synagogues, not Judaism. What what is this and it seems artificial left again to the credit of these Gentiles that they love the God of Israel, and they they love the, the feast of Israel and show me in the New Testament where God said you can't observe the seventh day Sabbath of your Gentile show me where or where it was changed descendents out there, so I appreciate their hearts.

And I say welcome them with open arms as part of the larger congregation, but encouraged Gentiles, that you don't have to take on outward Jewish expressions follow Jesus, Yeshua, and you might want to pray about that because you don't want to do anything that seems inauthentic to a Jewish person. So there are two sides to it. Steve and II again understand fully how it could strike you and I do appreciate the fact that it's contrary to the spirit of the gospel to say there's a separation here, but on the best possible construction. It could be a congregation singing a we have a very specific calling. We have a very specific mission and we don't want to dilute that mission.

So I'll just give an example, if I and and here's the other thing you might feel like a second-class citizen. If you made that your home that shouldn't be like that but you might feel like that and some Gentile believers in messianic variations. It felt like that were second-class citizens that many Jews have felt like that in churches fishing at Easter celebration of the Christmas celebration and they're not into that supper their history or heritage in there looking more Passover Hanukkah.

They feel out of place so it can happen both ways and and I think everyone has to find where they fit best, but let's just say that you said okay.

Our whole mission here is to have an outreach to Middle Eastern Muslim refugees that have come in from Middle Eastern countries their Muslims there living in America now and and we have folks from Syria and Iraq who lead our current negation, they speak Arabic. We use Arabic and English in our services of the people little bit darker skin there Middle Eastern and enter a lot of just say Caucasian Americans were black Americans or Hispanic Americans really get a burden for this and they start coming to the congregation.

There, and now it's 80% white or 80% black, 3% Hispanic and 20% Middle Eastern.

It can lose its distinctive consul. That's right appreciate in terms of calling, but if that congregation is not actively involved with the rest of the body in the city if it doesn't see itself as part of the larger church part of the larger Eckley Sia the larger messianic people, then that would be a problem so they are two sides to it and I don't know the spirit of what's behind it the hearts of the people behind it. So that's what I have to find out to see is it something healthy for outreach purposes or unhealthy. In terms of separation hey friends, I know there more questions to get truck at a stack of emails I haven't touched yet but I will encourage you to stand with us and partner with us the other day at the office. I had a stack of hardcover editions of the real culture. Jesus really only have a few of these left with only a few more days this month to do it. But when you become a torturer this month. When you join with us beside a dollar a day or more.

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There was something that had come up regarding the resurrection and throughout the debate what I'd see a list Rabbi Freitag not sure from perhaps I can extract this yet.

So he had made repeated reference to Trista the horrific tragedies of Jewish people who refuse to give up what they believe to be the truth. Even, you know, under threat of death and often times your burning at the stake, and so forth and so of course I know you answer that an address that initially to what I thought later with the resurrection question that I come up where you had pointed out that the disciples themselves had not like after the resurrection they had seen that that they themselves lay down their lives because they were so convinced that the resurrection was true. Know Mike. My question is is there seem to almost be some surface similarities between the two, I guess. Points of view.

One thing that hey we got it must be true because via our Jewish forefathers refused to back down the even lay down their lives for this trip and down the other side thing. Look how the disciples they believed it was true. They refused to give them their lid on their lives. Surface similarity I know is actually different what you get deeper just wondered if you had the opportunity to collaborate on why � or more different than it is similar right so why, why could the Rabbi say we are so sure about this that we die rather than leave your message. Even when we were offered baptism or death.

We die rather than believe your message and and that that proves the truth of Judaism and then I say the fact that the disciples were willing to die for Jesus rising from the dead that that proves that he rose from the dead, yet they really are two completely separate categories both show great devotion but we all agree that people can believe the wrong thing we all agree that that people can give themselves to the wrong cause my whole argument was, if the Messiah did not rise from the dead and they all knew it.

Why were they willing to give their lives. If this was just some cheap trick that they came up with. That's the argument they knew he didn't rise from the dead, they came up with this whole narrative that he rose from the dead, then why, then, were they willing to be burned at the stake, or stoned to death or crucified upside down or boiled in oil. Assault that would be the thing. If these traditional Jews knew that this whole thing was a method that they had come up with a few years earlier to salvage things that then they wouldn't go that far, so it's not a matter of if you are willing to die for something a person's true but if you know that it's false. That's the whole thing is just made up why in the world. Your life that her plan and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us on the line of fire, 866663487884. You've got questions, we've got answers any question of any kind in any area of expertise.

I have my joy to take your question right before I get to some email questions here just a few more comments about the resurrection issue. The Rabbi was asked last night Rabbi Daniel Fry Terry, debate it will have a link up on YouTube. Hopefully next week or so when the question came up last night about Jesus rising from the dead. How to see deal with that said, didn't happen student against minister didn't happen just made up story. How was made up of what people knowingly made it up or they deceive the elucidation that whatever it did, did, just to simply what happened. So therefore it's it's of no consequence to him now is he was respectful. He said he loves being in the South EEG from New York area. Originally, he loves the Christians here and he knows their friends and the Jewish people for an and things like that so he was reluctant to debate in that regard because he knew what he would say would be offensive to Christians and when the gentleman the questioner said to the rabbi that him denying the resurrection like that is like this man say the Holocaust never happened and he was offended by slide and stood up for the Rabbi said he's not Dexter's rabbit would expect this lethality's debt and any he's uncomfortable having to do this so is there for the Rabbi that respect, but I have another Rabbi Fred academician friend and he said even if Jesus rose from the dead.

He wouldn't believe. Why will that would just be another test, God would be testing Israel to see if they would believe in a false Messiah or similar claim to be a God or somebody trying to Jewish people away from the tour. That's what that's what he would believe that, of course, easier said than done.

If you encounter the risen Messiah that might have a different impact on you, but that's that Rabbi's position this Rabbi had a different position.

So, how strongly can be argued the resurrection. Of course there's her personal experience, you know he lives, he lives, he lives within my heart you know that the songs that we've sung that old hams he asked me how I know he lives see the lives in me today as to weave experiences life-changing power.

But obviously that's not approved for someone else because they slots is your experience of the people of their own religious experiences and different beliefs, so why should we believe you over them. Fair enough, fair enough. So, can you make a strong case for the resurrection of the Messiah just based on historical customer that was what pushed Chuck Colson over when he was in prison for his misdeeds. Powerful political leader imprisoned for his misdeeds is a genuine conversion experience and comes to know Jesus in prison who move the stone the famous question how do we account for the empty tomb, and he read the explanations and was convinced that that all the evidence pointed to Jesus rising from the dead. So when you say wait a second.

You kidding me. People could've stolen the body away or they could had a faint death and then he comes back as if he resurrected and you know what you kidding me with the faint testing, the so-called swoon theory that that was put forth by some Jewish leaders and others some decades back.

It really, hardly anyone holds to that that he appeared to die. He he only appeared to death so he was severely flawed. Sometimes people died during the fog there is crucified.

This legs broken right secant can brief the whole thing about breaking the legs is that you have to push yourself up see that the agony of the crucifixion, without even being nailed to it to the cross nailed to the execution stake. The other different types of of of the crucifixes was to crucify some yes that was agony.

But the worse agony was slowly suffocating to death in your whole body straining every muscle straining to try to breathe in it and and slowly suffocating up with. It was the most barbaric way to kill someone that's wife your Roman citizen Lester Gates and treason. You can be crucified so what what what happened what happened was that was that if if you have some or you could push your feet up in this way, you just push off the wood in this way you can mutually try to keep breathing to catch breath and in it because your lungs to death. Then go often so that that was the that was the attempt. And if your legs were broken then you suffocate instantly so that was such a merciful thing to do. So there they get a break the legs of the other sees because it's getting close to Sabbath time and a lot, but when they come to the southern don't need to break his life as is like smoke. They did need to break his life. This is really dead and then they either they pierce aside the end yet used a stencil the holiday. He just won't. He disappeared to die than to like us some professional wrestler is getting beaten to a pulp and so they jumps up no timeouts and acting here timeouts on flawed crucified that that suffocates the death on the cross is taken down, limp and dead and buried right so could his body been stolen.

Yeah giant stone house and that's with the stories we do not, but conspire it's obvious you can have all these other possible explanations.

The question is why.

Why did the disciples then believe that he rose said obviously they were is like elucidation the hand. They were discouraged they they were downtrodden.

They were they were hopeless. They didn't expect this to happen. He kept telling him to die rise, but they didn't get it there. Their eyes were blinded to social now. Now that it actually happens there.

They are downcast, discouraged, fearful, hiding, and use okays will that they they must have like a mass elucidation.

No such thing has ever happened. In other words, if you study literature about these kinds of things.

There is even the Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson was the grand rabbi of the Hasidic Jews: Lubavitcher's based in Brooklyn New York now. But around the world. He died in 1994 the age of 92. They believed he was the Messiah.

They really got very sick at the end they had these pagers around the world just waiting to be notified that he's he's risen up strong and so when he died. They either they were shocked that this is know this is only a test for physical lies and if you go to the gravy section Spiritualism.

They did not claim corporately dozens of them. Hundreds and thousands and to physically see him, even though some still believe he is the Messiah claimed that he spiritually wrote it because they they cannot come up with this mass elucidation because it didn't happen. People drop out, they would know and yet here, in this case it's the exact opposite and and the people that were shocked to see them hardly believe that until they saw and then they started doing the same things he did. After he rose and it still happens to this day in his name that sufficient proof for me to say we are talking about someone who rose from the dead. Now we have to deal with how will we deal with that reality, 8663 for 87884.

Let's go to Brooklyn. Joe walking to the line of fire.

Figure Dr. Brown hello wonder follow up with you about the great yesterday.

I absolutely loved it. I know Jonathan Bell document that govern around 10 there is someone who is going to talk to you about the value of the Torah, like the rabbi will grab it right back last night was talking about how would you counter that only what are like anything in Scripture that would point you morbid conventional worldview and wondered about that yes so that the principal alignment of the rabbi last night is the Torah's reverence and Emma were scattered around the world. Deuteronomy 30 when I told to leave and some signs in Darfur since, but rather turned back to God in repentance keep the Torah not to me. Observing Torah means observing everything in it, believing the prophet that God raised up following the atonement system a look make the other messianic promises within the Torah so it's it's not in any way mutually exclusive but everyone I would point out, this was the first question that was raised to the rabbi last night how many Commandments of the 613. Can you keep an important point of fact, the vast magenta and he said look I could never keep. Although not a priest I can to those. Another woman I can to those okay. But those that pertain to a male Jew who is not a priest. How many can keep many can't. In the vast majority of the forever camp commitments of the Torah requires standing Temple sacrifices that raises questionable one for me has God not enabled us not allow this is Jewish people to keep the vast majority of the forever Commandments and large portions of the 630 commandment suite.

We cannot keep because we don't have a functioning temple priesthood sovereignty in the land and we got in from exile, etc. so that's this number one has God left the site that has given us a plane to fly with without a wing without two engines and an end without a pilot units and have you done exact analogy, that's questionable. One question number two, when he said he's going to make a new covenant with the house of Israel in the house of Judah.

Does that imply any change in the content of the law and because he said I'll forgive her that I'll forgive their sins remember them remember their wickedness no more then do you still need a day of atonement. For example, do you still need very sacrifices and offerings because of which some rabbi said based on text receptor promises in Jeremiah with a B Thanksgiving offerings in the messianic era 75 that the other offerings will be this narrative will continue this undecided great line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown nice friends for joining the line of fire. 7884. You've got questions, we've got answers so that you, Joanne Brooklyn again. I yeah I will, I would start off by saying that we have all these commandments do certain things forever. Yet for the great majority of her history and for most all the last 2000 years we have been able to keep the bulk of them in the temple is been destroyed. Is God making a statement through that. Is he leaving us under judgment and every raft of the ability to fully obey him or is he providing us a better way then I would I would look again it at new covenant and saying that some things would necessarily change once we receive forgiveness of sins and then I would say okay we have all the scriptures pointed to the Messiah when he came he did not abolish the law of the profits of the believers continued to observe the Sabbath and things like this and for hundreds of years. We have evidence of Jewish believers living as Jews also rejecting a lot of the developing rabbinic traditions, but here's the thing.

He told us the temple was going to be destroyed. 22. A better way. So, just as Jews keep the commandments based on rabbinic law, which adds many things and then reinterprets others. We say that we now keep the commandments through the life of the spirit through the through that the new covenant through the light of the Messiah, so it's not either/or. It's not keeping or abolishing its keeping living by the new way, not of a written code which was written on stone, but rather that which is written in our hearts of the laws written on our hearts disagreeing that we just do whatever you want to do it means that that it's lived out in a new and better way right yeah exactly Roman seven or eight special, like you and and again.

Again it's it's not it's not a matter of okay look, we understand that too much of history and even the way I came to faith the Jew comes to faith in Jesus that you go to church and you live like a Gentile Christian and and and let's also understand that that many Jewish followers of Jesus in America live like reformed Jews know that they noted Jewish, but they don't they don't keep dietary laws that they don't strictly observe the Sabbath and things like that but there are many who say no it's it's my Jewish identity is important as part of my calling in the Messiah didn't abolish the things he just brought them to to new like new life. Why should I celebrate a separate holiday called Easter that now is tied in with Easter bunnies and things like that when I can celebrate the resurrection of the Messiah death of the Messiah in their it's a Passover.

So in that sense is not either/or and and someone said to me after the debate last night that the whole debate served as an extended ad for messianic Judaism. While while one had been yet so suggest your thoughts if if you if you watch the debate. What were your thoughts. Overall though I love the arm of you know that their believer not Jewish, but I absolutely think that there were few debate going on really, because you were arguing and answer the question. The jury respire army that was the what the debate would be about and that's what you answer, but the rabbi with competing about the mutuality of the Torah and you're talking about something completely different and you didn't answer you and get back to you but it was like pure debate going on again your spelled in one compact debate that makes it yeah and so obviously his plan would be Jesus can't be the Messiah because we know the towers forever, and the whole Jesus messages I died for you since you don't have to keep the laws of the mind open and have to be Jewish anymore over the issue that was never the issue. And yes all and in that sense, as I said at the end of the of the debate. I just want to point out that my whole opening 20 minute presentation every syllable of it was unrebutted. There's not a single argument I made from Scripture that was unrebutted so that sense we get the gospel message out, but I was like better pushback intimate no fault of the rabbis, just the circumstances and and he was courageous to do it, but interestingly Joe there is a very rabbi Israel Blumenthal.

He and I been in dialogue and phone, email different ways now in videos for years now. I think going back to the early 2000's and he's he's learned he's he's a great scholar in in in Bible and in Jewish tradition and he and I are planning on doing simultaneous release on YouTube since can be a virtual debate on YouTube were on the same day should be roughly a month from now the same day on our different YouTube channels that we both post a 20 minute video on their their real Messiah. According to the Scriptures in the who's the real Jewish Messiah subtitle like that and then one month later gobbling.

We each post a rebuttal so I'll rebut his video. Her about my 20 minutes and then gobbling one month after that will post a rebuttal to each of his rebuttal. If there seems to be sufficient interest and we have the time and ability to do it then will consider taking up in a subtopic of that specific part of that or look at a specific text in that so I'm so pleased we've we've agreed on this format and I think it's gonna be really really educational and enlightening so looking forward to that very much.

Thank you sir for watching and thanks for your questions, 8663 for eight 784 Haight Thomas I want to get your text.

It is very important. So stay right there. I don't want to don't want to rush the answer to it. Okay, so stay there and I'm gonna answer you first thing on the other side of the break are very relevant text Matthew chapter 5 verse 17 tonight, really, 17 through 20 text I touched on last night and said that has to do with the ongoing significance in the criminality of the law's will come back to the Texas stay right there Thomas, I want to get to your verses of we have had some interaction with individual that all identifies Irene changed the name Irene Rodin very much appreciating my latest article uncle trance sanity and saying as someone who is had sex change surgery. I can change the things I've done to my self. But God shall be I should not promote the lifestyle or be in that community because of the insanity of thinking God forgive me for taking my life in my hands was easy. It's always been about. For myself it's been harder still a work in progress. I had interaction with the individual. Call Irene just went live on the stream stream.org it's painful, it's an eye-opener. You want to read this you will know it will give you a heart for those struggling with gender identity. What about Simmons had sex change surgery is national like Irene had sex change surgery's and a living as a woman married to a man and the two of you want to follow Jesus together. Now what have you address that. So check out the latest article exclusively on stream.ward and out we come back I were going to go to Thomas in Nevada and we are going to continue to discuss this issue about Jesus or she would be in the Messiah and the role of the law released today that being said, any question of any kind, unrelated totally to last night's debate.

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You got questions, we've got answers last night. Braden Orthodox Jewish rabbi. The question is Jesus, the Jewish Messiah getting folks calling him with questions relevant to that, but any question of any kind. Anything you want to probe with me an air of expertise I have any any place where you differ with me and liked it friendly every friendly dialogue about give me a call 866-34-TRUTH, right, let's go to Mesquite, Nevada Thomas, welcome to the line of fire.

Yes, Michael sure thing got to question want really quick. First, are you going to do a book on on the tribulation and the rapture would have Craig Keener mucker yes sir, we've actually discussed in further. Yet crags actually written more on it and that in the seas actually started to put his part together. The plan is a short book. That's not heavily academic but obstinate with good academic scholarship between us that will explain why we don't believe in a pretrip rapture, but also why were not afraid of the antichrist not to downplay what might happen here on the earth.

But why were still full of faith in the midst of that yes so that is the plan we we do want to put it out together were talking to one publisher who approached us about it. We've pretty well agreed on a title and contents, and he's actually put some of his together pretty much.

If you wait with Craig overnight. It will double in length and wait another night. It will double again in these unlimited prolific and then if I get my good groove and get get the note, my head cleared to do it that I can.

I can write at that pace as well. So out we don't know when were talking like to get it out sometime. And in 2018. Maybe so, but yet that's the plan as to why we don't believe in a pretrip rapture will tell her own story will give Scripture, but also give our faith perspective on why were confident God on the matter what tribulation we live through here on the earth.

So yes, that is being discussed.

It is in the works.

Hopefully, can't wait to read another question a few days ago I heard a guy talking and he gave an interpretation on on Matthew five or where it talks about how to defend it, that he didn't come to abolish the law is interpretation was was that what you really saying was that the term heaven and earth did you go with you directly referring to the temple about the way they refer to their temple percent are thought he was really saying was that the law was enforced until the temple wasn't data nonsense.

I mean that absolute complete nonsense and and if if there's anywhere in ancient Jewish literature that I'm not aware of where the temple was referred to in some senses have their it would be as obscure as that Elvis Presley was identified with Michael Jordan on St. it's like I I can imagine where it would be with the context would be. But even if you could find it. It is absolutely not some common term or some common way of speaking at Nono at at at and look there there other places where were Jesus references heaven and earth will pass away. My words will never pass when he's not talking about the temple but notice that this is constantly misquoted. He didn't say I didn't come to abolish the law of Torah, but I didn't come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. It's bigger than that song to read from the complete Jewish Bible don't think that I've come to abolish the Torah, the prophets of the come to abolish but to complete.

Yes indeed octave, until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a good service mostly by letter or stroke minister of the pan the past with horizontal everything that must happen has happened to lever disobeys the least of these mitzvot commandments and teaches of this "lease of the kingdom of heaven that obeys them so teachers will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. What was he saying picked it up and we come back. Her plan by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown is joining us Friday you got question Atlanta area go to my itinerary*around the recheck at the itinerary, speaking at the thalamus in interrogation tonight, Friday night.

Tomorrow, Saturday morning 8 o'clock tonight 11 o'clock tomorrow morning and then preaching at a church pastor by grad from our school, and African Christian here in the states on Sunday morning before heading home. So all that is on the itinerary. 866-34-TRUTH. The number to call with your questions, so I Thomas in Nevada. Let's look at this passage in Matthew chapter 5 Jesus saying don't think I've come to abolish the Torah, the prophets have not come to abolish but to complete that some have argued and debated the nature of the words abolish are complete and try to find nuances, what, when you look at the third Greek play role in Matthew's gospel meeting to fulfill. You see, he uses a quite a few times of messianic prophecy and other things but it is a filling up of something that seems to be how is using it. So whatever the the Hebrew or Aramaic, he would've been using when he taught could not differ from that meaning it in my viewpoint, so he said he didn't come to abolish law, the prophets, but to fulfill. The notice uses the term lower profits. That's short, waitressing the whole Hebrew Bible, so he's not just coming fulfill the law but also to fill the prophets refill all that spoken then when you get to 712. In Matthew Matthew 712, where Jesus is summing up his message. He says that that do to others. You should have duty.

This is the law and the prophets.

This sums up the law and the prophets was used that phrase. There it looks to me at 517 two 712 that's the core of the sermon. Many other scholars see if the same way. The introduction the Beatitudes consult the earthy light of the world. That's the first verses of the verse 16 then the final exhortation, where false prophets porterhouse of the rock of obedience to my teachings that ends right from 713 on but 517 to 712. This is the core of his message beginning and ending with law or the prophets, and law and the prophets. So in what sense does he fulfill will take a look at the temple sacrifice sister. We don't have that anymore of the priesthood functioning priesthood with a functioning temple. We don't have that anymore. How does he fulfill it.

He brings it to its fullest meaning, he becomes our great high priest. He brings it to its fullest meaning by dying as a sacrifice for our sins so that part of the mission. He clearly and definitely fulfills in that sense, what is he now doing his teaching when he talks with the least of these teachings, it seems to me talk about his teaching. Now he's going to give us in the sermon on the mount. He now takes the moral and ethical requirements of the Torah to a higher level. What about the, the feast in the holy days.

He doesn't abolish them. He shows the fuller meaning the exit is not just from Egypt but from slavery of sin.

The, the firstfruits, not just the firstfruits of the land with the firstfruits from the dead of Pentecost, not just the giving of the law and and a harvest time, but the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The harvest of souls, and then at the end, the feast of trumpets. He fulfills with his return with the trumpet blast and David told me he fulfills by bringing the nation of Israel in through faith and atonement and then Tabernacles which is the ingathering of the nations he fulfills as the nations come to Jerusalem to worship, so what we now do is we take the the the two that the truth of the Hebrew Scriptures and in the light of the Messiah. We live it out.

In light of the Messiah.

What is it mean to live a holy life in light of the Messiah was mean to enjoy Sabbath rest in light of the Messiah as it mean to experience atonement and forgiveness.

So it is eternally valid, but is now only lived out through the Messiah. It's only through him that can be eternally valid. Otherwise, much of it can't be observed excellent health. Yet hopefully get good I am glad and hoping to get too technical, so my answer for some than I was familiar with. These are big issues. Of course I've looked at and studied and considered for decades as a Jewish believer. Thank you sir for weighing in and by the way, if you can spot some website ran, and in all I'll do a check in and Matt Meadows recheck years were sitting to look for heaven and earth is a Jewish way of saying the temple I met Gabby. Some Internet myth out there somewhere, some misinterpretation passage.

This is just not mainstream. All right. Thank you, 866-348-7884.

Let's go to blue Springs, Missouri Jared, welcome to the line of fire.

Are you doing very well thank you so my question is how does Jeter being under God and man what the relationship between that and the doctrine of original yes or yeah that that's okay so very simply when we think when we think of man. Human nature. We sing sinful we think fallen. We think flawed.

We think broken, and rightly so, because human beings are flawed and broken sinful in our best and holiest day we still fall short of God's perfection and still subject to all kinds of weaknesses. Some of them are sinful and notice that the weakness of the flesh that desires to do even the weakness of the flesh that coverts the weakness of the flesh.

That's greedier proud or selfish or lustful or angry.

Another other weaknesses that just not sinful and we need to sleep in, you know. Think of it, what is sleep of why it's a kind of a mystery, but we need to sleep every day and and things like that so that's just human weakness others is human wickedness, but when Adam and Eve were created they were not wicked. When Adam and create evil great. They were perfect. When Adam and Eve were created through is nothing sinful about them. They had free will, they could make choices they could say yes or no to God so they had free will, which in itself is a mysterious concept, but they did not have a propensity to sin. They did not have a fallen nature. They were dealing with. It was, not just like riding a bike down a steep pitch mountain at 50 miles an hour. You can't just suddenly stop it and turn it around and start peddling uphill instant know you're you're heading down that was not the propensity of the human race.

In that sense, they were completely innocent and completely free to do the right thing or do the wrong thing. The reason I say it's a mystery that free will is a mystery is because the idea that they can choose to disobey you think it does that apply sin.

That's simply a choice free choice to make. So since then all human beings born of mother and father have been born. The sinful nature. You don't have to teach a child to say no. Parents are always shocked that the kids pick up the bad habits of the parents before the good habits and you shall be kid in the world that hasn't had to be disciplined in some way some time growing up so that's our nature.

Genesis 8 says the thoughts of our hearts are evil continually from our youth. However, Jesus was not born of the natural mother and father. He was supernaturally conceived in the womb of his mother Miriam Mary and hence was born without sin and hence was born without a sinful nature, if you'd simply been born of mother and father than his human nature would have been sinful, but he was not born of a natural mother and father through natural conception, and hence the bloodline in the spiritual pedigree through Adam did not continue Adam in that sense is the head of the human race in his fall means the fall of the entire human race so that is why his human nature. He experience weakness right times tired he is asleep he was hungry. He expressed human emotion, he was grieved he was angered he was surprised he was happy he he prayed with tears. He felt pressure, he could relate to being tempted because he knows what it feels like to be tempted to deny God to to bow down to Satan's temptation to sellout for carnal lust here. Just do this and I'll turn the stones into bread, you can satisfy the lust of the flesh. If you just worship me and do what I want you to do that.

Satan's temptation.

So he refuses those perfectly as a son of God, but yet he was genuinely tempted.

He generally felt that whole. He generally was hungry but he did not feel to that is the perfect son of God, so his human nature was totally human but not not sinful, not sinful hate Jared thank you for the question, 8663 for 87884. Yeah, let's just see. Yeah, I'm just looking for is this an argument that that heaven and earth refer to the temple. Now the Methodists of those descent to be but know that that doesn't plug in on this and there's a lot of weird stuff out there, especially on Internet.

It's always been out there was of weird ideas, but now they circulate more and sometimes the weirder the idea of the more circulation it gets. Which is really unfortunate and and I have to have to say this over the years I've tried to walk a fine line when someone has been really changed and helped by throwing teaching in other words, someone gave this great idea.

This great theory is look at is not accurate. It's wrong I don't want to destroy. I don't want to destroy the so I try to say okay. I'm glad that your health but let's try to find something that's really more scriptural on which to base that I will be right back with your questions. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 8663 here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks so much for joining us on the line of fire, 866-348-7884. You've got questions, we've got answers. We go to Fort Worth, Texas. Lewis welcome to want to fire your very well thank you I know you're talking about. Briefly mentioned about Jesus being tempted here. I was reading.

James and I nearly fit in. On coordinate picking that depending on the translation each minute Lord and enticed by his own desire. Like in light of Christ that I know you and where made unlikeness using I like a definition of what temptation is there. Could you clarify that for me what it means that Jesus lived.

In light of James 114. Yes sir. So is telling us that everyone is tempted the drawing after their own lust, and enticed.

Therefore, the only Jesus could be tempted was to be drawn after his own lust, and enticed. In which case he would have had sinful nature like the rest of us.

How could he have been our Savior. So the first thing is a summit every other person on the earth that some of the Savior.

This is the way of the human race that in this whole point is that God is not tempting us, don't say God tempted me know is the own sinful desire of my heart that opened the door to temptation.

I member the first time I heard someone teach in an evangelist who would form a heroin addict and came to faith and and it was lust, sin and death. Every man's tempted when he strongly rose allows the molesters can see the planes were sent in Simmons finish brings forth death.

A sad lesson death. LSD I member that sticking with me so that's human nature. Right that's fallen human nature.

I can't blame God for tempting me know if if if my my weakness was was getting drunk a lot, you know, and I kept playing around with it and I drive past the bar and I'm selling it pole like cancer will God's tempting me. God's tempting Meda to go into that board.

Note know he's not. First, he doesn't tempt us to sin.

He'll test us to obey and he'll give us a call and to obey and see how we respond, but he doesn't tempt us to sin right so I would be a matter under Obama lust if if if might my issue was say your lustful eyes and sinful thoughts and it and it I'm I'm walking down the other.

The shore of a beach.

For all these ladies in bikinis like Dodgertown to know he's not tempting me, he doesn't tempt us with evil and I'm just being drawn away by my own lust and of course foolishness to be there in that situation when catering Messiah, the devil, who is called the tempter came. We know that Satan also attempts we know that Satan seeks to deceive and seduce. That's what he does at and he's behind a lot of the temptations in the world.

So that's that's the reality. There that tells us. For example, in Matthew four, Luke four, Mark one. We specifically called it the tempter. One of the accounts that that Satan comes to tempt him so he had nothing in himself that would draw him to have a lustful thought were greedy thought or an hour or or of violent thought is sinful. What he had nothing in himself. Contrary to us, where it's it's ready in there now.

The devil can also tempt us from the outside, but if it doesn't meet with something in the inside like a southern I got hit with this thought, why not sell my house and gamble on the NCAA finals. You know it's like that consists of the struggle of gambling.

That's not not my thing right or brief your fasting though, and the devil comes knocking at your door. It's he want to have this food will now that's just human nature. There were the appeal can be made or the weakness of human nature. So Satan comes as the tempter Jesus being the Savior being different. He's the second Adam, now he's the that the founder of a new human race. He is the one who was begun something new and better were being conformed to his image.

He wasn't tempted the same way we are. He was tempted in all points as we are meaning that the devil came after him. Is that what comes after us and in a way that he really felt he could really experience whatever it was a temptation to to despair. Temptation not to believe temptation to bow down to Satan temptation to commit lustful act.

He felt the weight of it. He was tempted in all points as we are yet without sin because of those sinful nature within him.

The temptation had to come exclusively from the outside senescence as he was different from the every man of James Jacob chapter 1 where it helps a lot. Thank you very much. Sure thing yet. Much appreciated. All right, 86634. By the way, just changing subjects for a moment. I saw a post a few minutes ago which said that there is a mosque in Canada and it's come under criticism.

Now, because because a speaker there called for killing Jews and I posted on Twitter insisted how is Canada going to respond.

Canada has just passed a law and anti-Islamic phobia law where you you or Bill's law where we you can't criticize as long. So what you do here is happened in a mosque with a Muslim speaker that it didn't happen somewhere else. It it happened. There for a reason. So, can you address that. How is it going to be addressed. Is it simply going to be addressed as hate speech with no reference to Islam, had a how does that address the problem.

The horrific terror attack in in England earlier this week involve the native born British who converted to radical Islam and whatever it is that caused them to attack the way he attacked driving his car bridge in England and flinging people over it, man from Utah. There enjoy vacations why she's badly injured and he dies.

It flipped over the bridge image is terrific, and many pulls out a knife and stabbed the police officer to death before he himself was shot and killed. If you don't address the ideology of radical Islam. How can you do with is registered with immigrants were dealing with people native born if you can address the ideology and can critique it can't tie it with his Lana traditions. Otherwise, how can you effectively deal with. You really can't. Hence the importance of recognizing the ideology being a progressive without speaking against Muslims in general are attacking Muslims in general are just condemning all of his lawn as if it was equally violent all right on the cake of the phone number again. I was about to out of habit that were out of time friends. If you're anywhere in the greater Atlanta area. Please join me.

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