The Book of Enoch and the Forgotten Mission of Jesus: An Interview with Dr. Michael Heiser

The book of Enoch, the forgotten mission of Jesus. What's this all about my guest, Dr. Michael Heiser will sort it out right here stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. We are going to have a really fascinating I opening show today with my guest, Dr. Michael Heiser is the best-selling author of the unseen realm. He does the will.

He heads up the academic department of Lagos biblical software and is a published Old Testament Semitic scholar. Now the author of reversing here Mont Enoch, the watchers in the forgotten mission of Jesus Christ. I do a lot of reading friends and this is one of the most interesting, thought-provoking books.

I have picked up in quite a while and were actually making available through our ministry because of the importance of this book Michael, welcome back to the line of fire. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you Michael. Now this is just about hot off the press it's just about to be released, reversing here mom I want you to be able to speak with total freedom during the show.

So let's first dispel a few misconceptions all right.

Are you a monotheist or do you believe in many gods.

I believe in the God of the Bible unique being that there is none like him so there's there's no one like Yahweh is unique in that he is alone all clear jubilees that we should add the book of Enoch to the Bible and that he carries the same authority say is the book of Genesis for the gospel of John, know what you think Enoch was a book that reversing Hermine shows was well known and read by use of the second Temple.

Including the New Testament writers and I found it useful that it preserves the important things that bleed into what the New Testament writers did right but I don't think it needs to be considered canonical. I did a very important book that shaped a lot of the thinking of New Testament authors and explains a lot of verses and concepts there and then did Jesus died to save us from our sins, or is that not his true mission notochord died to save us from our point of the book that we tend to hello Dover have tunnel vision when it comes to what the Messiah was supposed to do them if I would certainly depose the guy back. Official substitution. The famous remark Ben, but Jewish expectation was a little wider than that, but the Messiah did would also come back and revert other things as well.and again I asked you these questions so you can speak with total freedom not risk being misunderstood. One of them is that it never happened. But I well this show as well used to controversy, but I want to put those disclaimers out first because a lot of people they here with certain biases, but then this book is really going to open a lot of eyes. We just wanted introduce a few things now one of the most fascinating things in the book is is you have a lengthy appendix where you give New Testament versus and then next to those verses. Verses from the book of Enoch, or other related ancient literature and it's it's verse after verse after verse where you cannot deny that they were borrowing these thoughts are that these were things that were important to them. We come back let's start in Genesis 6 with start about some misconceptions of Genesis 6 within the feeling about the Seth i3 will do that quickly.

What about ancient Babylonian background to Genesis 6 and then what about the book of Enoch in the forgotten mission of Jesus get today special offer book and CD of this interview go to the line of fire.org for plan and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown, Enoch, the watchers in the forgotten mission of Jesus Christ, that you may differ somewhat with Dr. Heiser says, but he knows that of which he speaks. He is a biblical and Semitic scholar is not just getting the stuff off the Internet so Michael let's go very quickly through Genesis 6 the story of the nifty lien and the way you and I understand it, and then what's wrong with the Seth site hypothesis.

Well, I think the short answer to what's wrong with the iPod is completely divorced from the original contract want to board other words, the whole reason why one report even in the Old Testament is completely law that ignored take the specified period of the sons of God were just human mortals and what I do and reversing Hermine a little older than unseen realm. Obviously, but in this book, I wanted to sort of focus on it and show how the book of Enoch actually preserved. This original contact but turns out to come from Matt.

Five.

We can get into the nuts and bolts that if you like, but not I would I would you say to someone who holds the right position and I understand why you do this because the other view might air you for this is what the church is taught centuries upon centuries, but the problem is that recent research in cuneiform studies, Mesopotamian tablets really published in 2000 and have firmly established that there are Mesopotamian in the counterpart, every element of Genesis pics one through four.

We now know why these four verses are in the Old Testament and how the biblical writers wrote them and how we should treat right so for those not familiar with this questions the six speaks of the sons of God and the daughters of men, sons of God took for themselves the daughters of men.

They have offspring that speaks of the nifty lien.

These giants apparently later on we read about them of the conquest of Canaan. The Anna came in the riff I emu are descendents of the nifty lien this race of giants. Apparently many wiped out the flood within the same thing happened. Subsequent to the flood and we've understood it, we believe, when I say we, Dr.-ite, many others believe New Testament writers understand this well that these were fallen Angels somehow were able to take on human form and procreate the Seth eyes the Seth site hypothesis hypothesis says no, these were the sons of Seth are the sons of God.

The godly line and then the daughters of Canaan. That would be the daughters of men, but of course, is that a hint of that in the text whatsoever, nor that explain the consequences with the nifty lien or even the extreme wickedness, so it breaks down in many ways you get into that in more depth in your book, but why you feel that this is a position the sons of God being fallen Angels. This is a position that has historic interpretation outside well if you go back to the method.

Material which reversing her mind about a couple chapters to you what you find out if that before the flood came in the ghetto believed in him being called the color the color to a method of payment. Were they were good guys. They were wonderful.

They were dollars refer to them as culture heroes.

These were the divine being who symbolizes the world really it gave humanity the knowledge that create civilization wonderful before the flood are always referred to divine. There's no ambiguity. The story in Mesopotamia goes though that eventually some of the higher God discontent with humanity. They didn't like humans.

They made too much noise. We decided to wipe about the plight of the young color kind of mortified by this because it invested a lot of effort into no working with humanity in creating civilization. So they decided upon a me to preserve civilization to preserve their knowledge.

Despite the cataclysm of the flood and in the Mesopotamia unit but here we find out about what apparently what what this was because there tablets print the Mesopotamian material that refer to the Alcala course of divine being wise one before the flood. Then after the flood they are not referred to the same way they there were post brought up our particular card described as being quote of human defense and the fourth of these posts, but Alcala will is referred to as being two thirds of probably one third the same description is given to Gilgamesh who is also called Lord of the hollow cylinders feel Mesopotamia so apparently this is a new to me like a lot of other scholars have known about this, but it's only been recently that all the data as part of the apparently the Alcala decide were going to meet with human and on the other side of the blood. There were certainly Alcala that were hybrid lack of a better description that would sort of restart plan to try to re-stabilize the world. The surviving humans in the Mesopotamian version of what was interesting is that Gilgamesh is mentioned by me in the Dead Sea Scrolls of the book of the John and of the implication of all that is that you have the mating. These were the men of renown. The Alcala will bring down blood contribute to kickstarting civilization again. You have this whole hybrid sort of thing going on and oh by the way described as a giant as well. Very overview of note every point in Genesis 224 and it was was really interesting. On top of that is in a mess continued material at the believed God market was really unhappy with the and he judges the Alcala doing and fended them down to the of the underworld about what's significant is that the book of Enoch preserved all telling of the story and that's important because when you go to the New Testament of the book of Jude or second Peter talks about the angel that are kept in chains of darkness in the and in one place it in the Greek it uses a verb, part of which needs to be sent to Tartarus, Tartarus was the place where near the same offender the Giants and their their offspring thought of so forgot about you guys.

Megan spent in Greek stories you for having the same sort of crimes committed and so Peter and Julie are accepting this story, the story like this idea what it tells us is that the roots of you know necessarily greet the it actually goes back Mesopotamian material and you can't find the sons of God that we were anything like this imprisoned in the affairs in the Old Testament there little shades of it. You know this because you go to work on the roof by E to get little glimpses of it, but you don't get anything really systematic but all of that comes from Mesopotamian material is preserved in Enoch and it leaks its way in the New Testament tells us how important the book of Enoch was because it preserves the original contract for Jenna 6124 and if you take that fight you, you have to ignore all my objection is what we talk about interpreting the Bible in context all the time. Are we really serious about because if you're serious about interpreting Scripture in contact in an effort to understand what the writer wanted you to get wanted you to understand, and you cannot take the step by you are violating the whole principle of interpreting effect in its own context. We just jump in and asked this then we just get about a minute before the break. What's in was the purpose of Genesis 6 is a just borrowing Mesopotamian material in the Bible is just borrowing pagan material or is it setting the record straight. If the record straight about like this happen. I can generalize the whole Bible when when the Bible draws on ancient near Eastern material, the court is not the writer sitting there with writers block automatic. I got a paragraph to go. I don't know what what the right of Herod the thing over here let's throw that in no opinion of the Alcala work euro.

In an article corresponded to the a bit in the Alcala were the most definitive answers the question how did Babylon get great and they basically were great with the greater people of civilization are gods of the greatest because they civilize we worship them.

This is why we are the top dog and they viewed this all positively. Where is the biblical writer Bigelow noted like what happened but these are not good guy what the effect of the was to raise the following Highland Heights. Let's let's come back today the bloodline seeking annihilation of Israel where we going straight to the word in its cultural context right back I file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown and brand-new book reversing her mom Enoch the watchers and the forgotten mission of Jesus Christ, you can get the book and the CD of our interview exclusively at the line of fire.Oregon. Of course get the book anywhere but special packets just from us so Michael in short, with the Babylonian celebrated somehow this meeting of these heavenly beings with human beings in the offspring produced with a celebrated Genesis 6 is telling us is something disastrous, something that contributed to bringing on the flood subnet actually ties in with Israel's conquest of Canaan and something that has more information preserved in the book of Enoch's obviously through familiarity with the book of Enoch that the New Testament writers allude to the things we can unpack all of that in the minutes ahead. So Michael, you mentioned right before the break, the annihilation of the attempted annihilation of the Israelite bloodline and obviously Israel's call to wipe out the Canaanites. What in the world does that have to do with the nifty Lehman this whole story. Yeah, I put a lot more time on the ground but right in a nutshell the week. We do get her mom reversing her on what happened to Janet that ultimately result in a line of of individuals, but the Bible knows of Natalie Monica Haber a few other teams depending on geography or whether applicant different names but they were the biggest problem the view I think of the conquest is that it begins and end oriented to these particular individual. Joshua for instance defines victory at the end of the conflict narrative in the book of Joshua but there are no moronic in the land. The audit team in Deuteronomy 2 and three again whenever they are numbers 13. Their link back to naphthalene.

So what happened here in Genesis 6124 leads to a near disaster leads to the these rival divine being with the biblical writers look at it critically, except that they were there to annihilate it was to annihilate Yahweh's children were rival rival people scattered among the land not everybody in the think not even most people of the land. No could trace their lineage back to this event, but the ones that did were unusually powerful enemy. And so Joshua says that the company uses a lot of birth verb and it was acceptable to drive people out to get placement to dispossess them, but when it comes to the language of current and other verbs of killing again. I don't think the Clintons but if you look at the passages where those that terminology is used. They overlap with passages where you will find vestiges of the of the naphthalene of the giant client and I slightly Joshua defines victory as there are no moronic team.

The other unit that went up to the Philistines that usually meet them later during the time of David and David have to dispatch the last of the referee vehicle.

I brothers but this was a big deal because they were sort of nationally, there being the ultimate enemy of the people of God and the reversing.

Her mind is not about all of that in the whole context for the unite after start of the 20 people with the narrative of Enoch, even with even really worth enough for me. When we deliver biblical times don't have to worry about modern appellee might think that idea is to submit docility and then Karina should actually according to the Bible to be utilized or wiped out. Typical. That that's all the stories with me, but what's even worse is that, according to the way Scripture writers repurpose the whole story is that the knowledge that the Babylonian glory.

Things like what you know how to make war weapons of warfare astrology verbs and route and all that sort of that that they thought was was wonderful.

What would put them at the top of the pecking order, the biblical writers view as leading to idolatry and immorality, self-destruction.

I put it this way, the book if you have the average you brothers to start with a grade for the average Christian, a wife the world the way it wanted so messed up wife.

There's so much evil, know what, why, why is there depravity.

Most persons of faith that is the spirit of all and that's the end of the story. If you asked the same thing to it Israelite or to they would say well yeah just react when rebellion began both divine rebellion.

It but then you also have to end and what the watchers did that Enoch's term for the Alcala God, but the one interested in teaching humans basically how to destroy themselves through technologies and other things that don't, in and of themselves wouldn't be awful, but were going to teach you how to advance your own immorality, destruction and misery and chaos so that among you just watch you destroy yourself that needs to be dealt with at the reason for depravity and inferred is what happened at Babel. Deuteronomy 32, eight, nine, God's punishment of the nation, allotting them to Lester God. But I spent a lot of time in the room talk about in this book, I focused on the depravity problem because if you have that storyline in your head that there are three problems to solve, not just one. And interestingly enough, the church speculates in Genesis 3 it demythologized that get through that and nobody ever really discovered.

Deuteronomy 32 89 without notice. So we been myopically fixed on one but if you have the whole scope in your head, especially the story of the watchers you're going to come across in the New Testament that particular jump out of the way things are fed the way things are described are actually part of this worldview and dip into it and that's really what reversing her mother is about because if those are the three problems when the Messiah come is not here just to cure the ill of Janet 32 heal our estrangement from God to give us resurrection like the conquered death was a big deals.

Obviously the Messiah is also supposed to take care of the other two problem bring back the nation that the Babel problem and that in this book, I focused on healing, reversing the widespread self-destructive depravity that resulted from Janet.

I think statements that was massive documentation in the book, reversing her month Enoch the watchers and forgotten mission of Jesus Christ out. We have laid a foundation this next half hour will do is now billed on this team more about the book of Enoch tell you what Hermann is and what it signifies and then give you explicit examples from the New Testament where he clearly has in mind these trees that have been preserved in the book of Enoch not part of the Bible is great in court early and Christians begin to order the book and CD of today's interview go to the light a fire.org it's the light a fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown my Kaiser is brand-new book spelled H your MO and Enoch the watchers in the forgotten mission of Jesus Christ, Michael, let's just take three or four minutes. Give some examples where it's clear that the New Testament writers were familiar with the book of Enoch and esteem.

What was written in it. Well, what I do in the book as I break it down into the gospel to the book of Revelation. Three sections of the book after we get a picture of the story. So when it comes to the birth of Jesus. There are if you take against certain passages a certain way. This is what I'm adjusting the people of the book you come out with a birthday but Jesus that all on history one and what I do in the book of I show how it for the early juju the first century. This was also Noah's birthday together. The book of get the data for all that, but if there's an alignment with Jesus and no that would have telegraphed a connection will wives know what he was the one chosen by God. They were not unfavorably had favor with God. At the time of the flood. The flood comes the Mark begin God to destroy the evil, cleanse the earth and all that thing going up the rest billed the story. The vestiges of that survive evil crops up again and what we get there. Therefore with Jesus. Is that okay the Messiah is the calm finish the job is limited to the others. There's chronological signage.

There is sort of pneumatic relationships between Jesus and all that would've telegraphed the idea that the side is the one who will really reverse the effects of what happened, but of course we think of the fly, we don't think of just want to forget what you thought of what they follow just one before because of the watchers in the genealogy wire the four women that some people say all four Gentiles, that there's a couple for sure the others are ambiguous, but that really is an important part one women in Jesus genealogy are described in such a way and certain terms are you both in the Greek and also the Aramaic target for these women in the episodes of their life in the Old Testament there are certain vocabulary that you that whole wrong one through four. All four of the women have stories either about sexual transgressions either something they did or something done to them and I spent a whole chapter on this drawing on the work of the dissertation that basically argues the point that the reason these four women are in their is because they are example of this transgression back in June it was before.

They are sort of archetypes of an.

By including them in the light of the Messiah, the person that they help to produce genealogically is the one who will undo the effects of crime done to humanity along the walk if you're reading the gospel genealogies with the story of Enoch in mine and you see certain vocabulary. Your mind is going to be drawn back to the story so I'm suggesting that that was the intention. That's why these women are there that Jesus is the one who will reverse what was done in Genesis. But before Jesus goes the placement to minister that are associated with the giant landfill and there are some dramatic things that happened there again telegraphing the fact that I'm not just here to defeat the Lord of the data give you eternal life support. I'm reclaiming this plan that was one note given over to the giant client and the defendant were holy war the world around his boss I said hi friends encourage you call the test everything right. Get the book, reversing him on test everything the Scripture test everything with the scholarly data that's here. Get the book and CD line of fire.org for plan and by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown is the sound Enoch the watchers in the forgotten mission of Jesus Christ refer you first Enoch 95. You have made everything with you is the authority for everything, everything is naked and open before your site and you see everything and there is nothing which can hide itself from you and compare that to Hebrews 413, and before him, no creature is hidden, but all her naked laid bare to the eyes of the one to whom we must render an account.

Obviously, similar lines of thought there indicating that the New Testament writers were familiar with Enoch was highly esteemed. The early church and among early Jews.

It was not widely considered canonical. Scripturally, the Ethiopian churches preserved it as Scripture, but it's part of what is called the suit epigraphy, which is writings falsely ascribed meaning that this would be ascribed to the neck as if he wrote the entire book of Enoch but but Michael this was not meant as a forgery or trick was that this was something that the people reading understood this was a common thing to have a book of bear the name of the central character of Bill that there there are canonical books like effective.

Those books ever claim to have been written by federal, but to get the name of by tradition, but usually when it comes the spirit of figure books are grouped in there because dollars presume to presuppose that books are written with the intention of the writer to the main character's name on it. Nothing further think it happened by design. It happened by tradition, and ultimately this is a good illustration of dollars in a kind of assuming that they know more than what they actually do.

But the long story short is that just because a book bears the name of a character who didn't actually write it.

People thought they did that that person did write it doesn't undermine the value of Enoch's first Enoch.

It was certainly again, a highly respected book for the first century here in the course even do a little early. I like to illustrate this way.

If I 11 for I sat down and I read Calvin and I read Calvin, commentary on the road and anything else that Calvin ever said about robe. Well, if I set down one day to write my own, the current world it's going to be next to impossible to not have John Calvin in my head and neck, sort of, you know what we need to think about the situation with first Enoch and the writers the New Testament is very clear that New Testament writers read this book and content pretty well and in the course of their own writing, which we consider our canonical there are passages concept term faith that come out of first Enoch that the New Testament writer what useful for articulating whatever point that he was making at the time so it actually very human, very common thing to have happened. Lo and behold, writers read books and close book matter how they thought about and end you have in the the back of the book some very valuable Siebel appendixes. The first is the question of the inspiration. The first Enoch in the early church, and you quote the epistle of Barnabas, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus to trillionth of an end and they're all speaking about first eunuch origin as well. So what was the what was the consensus of the early church about first Enoch was the first Enoch was not it hard.

It had a few defenders needed names of their kind of interesting little. I believe it was Tertullian that those who are interested in the Jim Vander Has a book on the early Christian apocalyptic literature is a whole chapter the view of how the early church thought about Enoch in that chapter is.interesting anecdote from believe it was Tertullian who basically this is Mike paraphrase basically that I am getting old now and I still one of the few that thought that this should be in the New Testament of the old post to the canonical somewhere and I'm I've lost that debate and he was content in what he wrote in his comment to assume that the Holy Spirit which involve all believe would leave the church and that to make the right and so at the end of his life is like a bouquet and I love first Enoch, I thought it should be in there should be sacred like like the other books but the Holy Spirit has led the church in a different direction by. I'm fine with that. So the consensus was that it was nodded in that it did have fun and of course as you said, provided information that they believed was was correct when Paul writes to Timothy talks about John's and John brace opposing Moses will with a way to get the financial that was preserved in Jewish tradition were created by Jewish tradition is when names it would be used either way, it's not that he came up with that. That was part of the tradition of the day that Jewish people commonly accepted and new. So any Enoch get go ahead. I understand you know because the idea the first Enoch should be canonical assertive and popularized writers in our day and of course they have this thing with the church fathers. But when you really think about the issue of Bible. Biblical writers quote all sorts yet and we don't have an argument. For instance, of Bush of the veil. Michael Beard fired the bail Michael beyond there because Psalm 74 draws on the bill very clearly in Isaiah 2700 yeah right you know you're cute you get that you're okay, folks, let's just take a deep breath and understand the biblical writer read and some things they read they they decided to intentionally respond to as a theological corrective other things they just found useful. All I like the way that you knock delusional.

We don't have that verbiage in the New Testament, but you can tell they cited nodded mystically, but because it's useful. It helps them express and want want to be focused on Enoch wonder if it I have a fight over it but we don't do that with the wisdom of amenable bail spike or something out United is just not it's almost not an important question there should be in there not matter read it because if you read it if you read all of this in your interview you get familiarity with the contract as your reading your Bible, you will be able to have that Israelite in your head a little more. You will be able to have that first century Jew in your head a little bit more and that will help you understand you are reading in the Bible is just like when we look at Jesus having a dispute with the Pharisees were Jesus healing is certainly like in John nine which heals a blind man in unique way will it seems that he was intentionally doing that to call attention to some traditions that he differed with that Harold got in the way of the Sabbath. When Isaiah's eyes met that I think a customer writers do that all the crime they are there, they assume their audience is either read or heard something that has been lost to without a great deal of effort to recover it, but I think it happens all my size is 27, one which speaks about Yahweh smiting with his sword Leviathan on the coiling servants of fleet serpent well in hundreds of years before that in Canaanite literature North cannot literature and guard it says that that bail dated that he smote Lee Tana read safe Leviathan on so it's not that Isaiah.

Like you said had writers block the respondent Missy St. Helena is not the bail did it been this is even destroy this chaos monster, Yahweh did it. The one true God. So again we get the overall point just reading it you know and and in English and not knowing much more background that we get the background slick wall that really opens up and end the same thing with the concept cell phone the North the of this was this the seed of the gods and their and video.

Israel becomes the seat of this the bad stuff comes from the north and cell phone.

Is this mythical mountain also means Northland bad stuff comes from the north and that the cutting of the ominous threat from the North Babylon to Syria, but there's something spiritual behind it know God is the King overall.

As with the biblical authors are saying and reversing her monitor and report back to the book about connections between the book of Revelation.

Specifically, the larger story we get into the attic right certain other themes of the book of Revelation. It is not necessarily a phone that's the issue, but it Babylon together and we know that mystery Babylon named in the book of Revelation. There's a lot of other things lurking underneath the surface, that connect concepts like the antichrist, the great enemy of the Messiah, very fast. Why wise Babylon shall be by the way this evening. Appendix about the antichrist and reversing her month we come back.

Who or what is her month here again is Dr. Michael Brown back to the line of fire with my special guest Dr. Michael Heiser you all.

All were doing is scratching the surface of this fascinating new book, reversing her mom Enoch the watchers and the forgotten mission of Jesus Christ, you get the book together with today's interview@thelineoffire.org maybe I should start your Michael but staff member sent me a note. Maybe I missed it but who is Hermann and why we reversing ahimsa at least make it. We've kept the mystery going until now, there is so so what is Hermann Herrmann in English or modern Hebrew. What what is this and why we reversing it promoted amount. Enoch has watchers defending the watchers are the sons of God of just 614 watchers. The doctor this is the place where they defend to know unite themselves and purpose to swear an oath among themselves to corrupt humanity and so her monitor as part of an archetype or what happens if you and ultimately her mind is going to babble. Babylon because of the Mesopotamian column story that is the backdrop for Joseph 6124 per month. For instance, in the old Babylonian literature was considered the dwelling place of the honor, not again which certain eras of the mayor investigated literature were deities that were part of the Lords of the underworld, the Lord of that kind of thing could be over overly bad play.

Hermann had a bad rip and in the old course part of the geography associated with the rest by Eve but the giant client so we come up reversing humble were talking about what, the Jewish expectation that the thought would undo the all the people the defendant Kenneth the fix one or all the chaos that the standard of these Babylonian deities that are evil and demonic right so let's let's break something down and I know this is not your primary thought in writing a book like this writing as a scholar teacher and opening of the Scriptures and obviously I'm I'm relating to the book and in the same way. But in someone's listening and says while what is it have to do with my own life. I'm just trying to pray and meet with God and in love my family and be a good witness and what I need to know any of the stuff. How does it affect me personally again.

I know you're not writing this primarily as a devotional right you do care about application of Scripture church that hasn't help me get to know this. I think it did alert her mind generally knowing better. It alert her mind the fact that we are and always have been in the midst of the ultimately spiritual conflict. Yeah, we can do lots of things to destroy ourselves and destroy our own lives. But when push comes to shove the reason that humanity has the history is.

It is all symptomatic of a spiritual war, Billy, for our minds and our hearts and ultimately our souls. I think that it can oriented the average person to consider that no nature of the conflict. Why is the world the way it is not just because people are bad is because there are greater intelligent manipulating people all people to move the herd to do what they want to think the way they want anything to get them away from the truth of the gospel. Anything to get them away from being a member of the family of God. So if a spiritual thing. On the flipside of that coin is important while if I have at the end of the day spiritual opposition. If this is the story of really about it on the war that I have a little and if we would just wake up every day thinking that what I do is part of the conflict. What I do is actually important because if there is an unseen force that forces warning against Darin Ward had Evan and wife become a cosmic you are you might think you're stuck in a job respect of that relationship what you do doesn't matter to public figures volatile, but is quite wrong in in front of moving dog program advancing this thing we call the King of God's moment by moment decision by decision and it is the cumulative of everyone involved that bill at the end of the day result spiritual victory or spiritual law is different real conflict.

So I think if we can orient ourselves to wake up with such a thought it would be would just be better is a controversial patient care published as light up like a good think it does make the point. Consider I if you are a member. Life you wake up in your first thought is how to promote your goal to accomplish your mission to restore the caliphate throughout the day. You are oriented and motivated your single-minded and those who are with you are motivated, single-minded along the way you are up one more. When you go to sleep you left is what will I do tomorrow. To accomplish this goal. If we as Christians would wake up in our first thought is how will what I do today. No matter how Monday.

How can I bear the kingdom of God.

How can I clear the path for someone to believe and enter the family of God.

Our last days will I do tomorrow to further the kingdom of God and to win this war. The church would be dramatically different.

It just would you we are we are we are worldly we have our minds but on the needs of the things of this life. We can impart excuse ourselves because they were embodied being. But if we really believe that this world is not our home, that what we do is about more than paying bills to take on a cosmic significant.

The church we in the church collectively with Che and it would have a dramatic effect in all sorts of quiet I agree with every word that you just said and it's a great way to end the broadcast. As you read this book, reversing him on it is going to take you into the spiritual realm give you insight to the importance of the spiritual battle and insight into many crews in the New Testament and help us remember where our battle is ultimately being fought here on earth but in the spiritual realm. So the book reversing her mom the CD of our interview can get@thelineoffire.org share this with your friends. This is a book that is going to be talked a lot about a whole lot that we barely scratch the service hey Michael, I know you're busy. Thanks for taking time in the Lord's blessing be on this as the message gets discussed.

Thank you, thank you for having hired by Joyce, my friends, you heard it first, right here on the line of fire. Again, book, CD, exclusively together is a lot of fire.org as many copies as you want. My bottom line we are fighting a battle in the spirit realm.

All right, would you do a special edition if you've got questions, we've got answers from Facebook, Twitter, email, and your calls it's time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH index 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown hey these are Paul's words, not mine. I didn't make these up. Finally, be strong in the Lord and the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Our great battle is in the spiritual realm and we just had that underscored to us in the last hour by Dr. Michael Heiser, author of the brand-new book, reversing him her moan, Enoch, the watchers and forgot mission of Jesus Christ, really fascinating at the very least it's going to trigger massive massive discussion that needs to be had. Get the book and CD from a website together@thelineoffire.org. I wasn't sure if Dr. Heiser was going to be able to stay on along to the second hour to call so I cleared the second hour, which means that I'm going to be able to take your calls. Even though Dr. Heiser was with us for the first hour only. So if you have a question about the book of Enoch about the spiritual realm or a question of any kind whatsoever to take your calls today. Phone lines are wide open.

I got questions to answer on Facebook on Twitter on email so we can open the phone lines 866-34-TRUTH 87884 and do a special edition of you've got questions, we've got answers here on a Tuesday a Johnny how did the watchers survive the flood, or these fallen Angels, the sons of God. These divine beings took on human form and had relations with women.

What first thing is Genesis 6 would indicate that they were all destroyed by the flood, but Genesis 6 also says and afterwords they did this so would seem that this sin was repeated after the flood and then those people were ultimately annihilated by the Israelites as a survive this on Akeem or Riff. I even wore a nifty lean descendents of that nifty name same word use there in Genesis 6, so certainly those that were alive in Noah's day were wiped out within.

It appears because it says and afterwords when this happened, resulted in the men of renown being worn aboard so appears that there are other angels that fell and committed the same sin which happened to them. Ultimately there cast down according to second Peter there cast down and imprisoned. Yeah it's it's interesting stuff but if you just take a look at at the wording here. Second Peter chapter 2 this is what he writes. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness, to be kept until the judgment we did not spare the ancient world preserve Noah Harold of righteousness, with seven other so he mentions those things side-by-side and and that's and in the second Peter and then back in first Peter.

He also has this very interesting reference. First Peter chapter 3's is this for Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison because they formally did not obey when God's patience waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, which are few, that is, a person's were being were brought safely through water so specifically mentions the angels that send in the days of Noah, and that were now imprisoned, but it appears that it happened as well. After the flood. First, because the language of Genesis 6 and afterwords and then secondly because you have these two sentences in the file after the flood, so it must've been the spell also judged by God.

Like straight to the phone come back 866348788. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks for joining us on the firewood got answers let the controversies fly today were up anything as we always are.

I will start in Hyattsville, Maryland Robert walking to the line of fire. Good.

Thank you. Around my mind organized and editorialized at first I was thinking earlier. Remember, I think you may still with us or not he may be a floor but he was messianic Jewish to call himself a rabbi or not but it wrote this book 1st thing out everything about the subject of of them, say the word wrong. Appellee loose his name, Jacob � if you don't get greater shares of the book was called UFOs what over there is happening in the 12 Genesis chapters like this. There's no question this with Dr. Heiser leading to the first hour all marketed to write that he didn't mention UFOs but he said some of the silly things are to be made to arguments made today. No II see absolutely no basis for that, whatsoever, that there are still nifty lean today or that there is this mixed no breed of of of Angel math fallen angel and man in something like that in that that explains aliens and UFOs. And I don't believe that for split-second possibly believe that there are God's angels and and the enemy financial yes absolutely.

And could there be to the B demons who take on certain form and appeared to people's aliens are now meant.

Certainly that's possible that I cannot-have just never been sure there were stream demons them and all of Angel will that's another debate Robert the grade point we don't know for sure. Some just assume that demons are fallen angels and of the sink demons have another origin. Some claim that demons work human spirits in the pre-Adamic race that was then destroyed before the creation we read of in Genesis 1 beginning in verse two. II highly question that, but certainly an email. I've always been when I start because there's a lot of different theories about Genesis 6 of the fact out thing. I'm still you know it, been in the middle of a lot of effect on the fallen angels are the feeling if it fit with therapist actually be meeting there be a crossbreeding of either demonic to the human beings but that children of the Lord, or what it actually means specifically that the part of the fan of them was that they were allowed to have sexual relations with actual fallen angel is some might somehow wood seems not like the boy was Rosemary's baby gives birth to the son of Satan or something like that. But that out yet in in point of fact, it would seem as strange as it is that these fallen Angels were able to take on human form war take on or inhabit a human body and and now there was this mixed breed and that was part of the evil because it which God destroyed the earth and the New Testament seems to allude to it plainly when speaks of the angels who send is Dr. Heiser said in the first hour is spoken of in the book of Enoch and is reflected in.

In other church in the New Testament. So yes, it seems that that this did happen that there was in a race of giants that was wiped out by the flood within appears to have happened.

After the flood as well in this race of giants was then wiped out by the Israelites, and I could be even part of the great conflict with David and Goliath, one of the last of this race of giants, but it's it's part of a massive ungodly mixture something that God is fundamentally against and we don't need to speculate on it happening today because it's not, but we do need to recognize the intensity of the spiritual battle the reality of the spiritual realm and I think Robert all too often we concentrate on just what's around us.

If you like me and you're looking at cultural issues is very easy to focus on the cultural issues and focus on the president of the Congress and yes those are important, but much more important is our prayer in our evangelism and are our spiritual living in ways that is conducive to bring about change to thank you sir for your questions. I'm sure others were wondering about some of these things as well. 86634 let's go to Larry and in Butner, North Carolina.

Thanks for calling the line of fire training program. I learned much can you hear me okay all sure it's been a long conference. The renter from what I recall reading about Ishmael. Could he possibly be Mohammed because that for now hated by all nations, and now I recall correctly that he is the ancient father of Mohammed is that you point at Maryland in relation You now okay right so so Ishmael let's see Ishmael is born just in the rough rough numbers. Let's Ishmael was born around 1900 BC. Mohammed is 600 A.D. roughly. So Mohammed is about 2500 years after Ishmael it is Ishmael.

The distant father of Mohammed. Just like Isaac is the distant father of the Jewish people would be my distant father Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is a Jewish man. I descend from them. That's what Muslims would argue, and Muslims believe that or at the least. They would argue that it was Ishmael who was chosen, not Isaac that they would say the Bible gets things upside down that you might say, will the characteristics of of Ishmael and in you know, being kind of you know into fighting in the air that speaks a lot about the Arab tribes as part of their nature and being a real hot-blooded and self people try to make that argument as well.

But, as to a physical connection between Ishmael and Mohammed. That would simply be a matter of speculation. But I appreciate the question. Were you going with it. Thanks so much, 866-348-7884. Here's a related question that I have on email from Tony we have the canon of Scripture. What would happen if archaeologists uncovered 40 new letters of Paul or confirmable writings of other New Testament or Old Testament figures this be included in the canon of Scripture are used as supplemental material well. For example, there is been 151st Psalm discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls is no evidence that it was considered canonical. By the early synagogue or the early church. In other words, we we have no record of this being looked at as Scripture, but it seems to have been in an additional Psalm of what we make of that.

Well, there are a lot of writings from the ancient world that were not part of the Bible here so I give an example right, for whatever reason, in the providence of God, the letters of Paul that we have now were preserved and not others.

We do know that there were others and that everyone back then knew that there were others. So, for example, in Colossians 4 we we read this as he's giving him instructions to the church there in verse 16 he says. And when this letter has been read among you haven't also read in the church of the Laodiceans and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea, so Paul had another letter that he had written and it seems quite a few others. We would assume that was the case anyway and there seems to be evidence of some of the letters here and there. This being one of them that there were other letters of Paul, but they were not included in the canon of Scripture.

Either they did not bear the same level of inspiration or in the wisdom and providence of God. The material covered in them was that is important for future generations.

We know that there were many prophetic words spoken in the Hebrew Bible, but most of them were not included within the Hebrew Bible, we know that there other writings that are referenced like the book of Josh, are you Sharon Hebert you still know I read that on the Internet you know you errata much later forgery. They claim to be that we don't have that ancient book and for whatever reason, it is not been preserved for so if such writings were discovered that would be fascinating. That would be eye-opening.

That would be amazing, but wouldn't change the canon of Scripture because some of the ancient writers and writers of the Bible had these books and they knew about these books and if they did not consider them to be on the same level of inspiration or carrying the same authority or having the same purpose within the body. We trust the work of the Holy Spirit through the centuries and getting God's people to recognize what was Scripture and what was not. But certainly if we discovered some other ancient letter of Paul.

It would be absolutely fascinating and a massive archaeological discovery, we come back. I just want to talk about so-called other ancient Gospel dress that turned you got questions regarding a few special edition today, modify the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown and I am Bible theology, spiritual life, the moral culture that is real. Usually the language question I can help you were going for a wide range of things we discussed 866-34-TRUTH 7884.

We've heard a lot in recent years especially with the da Vinci code book and movie well there other ancient Gospels, that the church suppressed and kept down because it is one of these true stories to get out Oreos Mary Magdalena and Jesus and they were a couple and they had children and did all this nonsense in point of fact, they were later Gospels so-called with all kinds of attributions you know whether it was the gospel of Judas through the Gospel of Thomas or something attributed to Pontius Pilate or whatever. And there were there were cults there were offshoot groups that fell into all kinds of error. The New Testament is constantly warning against that dislike the Old Testament believers had to deal with the false prophets and false teachers the same in the new the same. To this day.

So you have these other groups producing their own literature but was not accepted by the first believers. Why is there really have the Gospels they really had Matthew Mark Luke and John the that they really have the foundational texts they really had Paul's letters and some of the other letters they really had these things and now in these other groups came you know hundred 50 years later 200 years later and they've got this new information is literature. They were ready breakaway groups.

It would be as if Christians today were supposed to accept the book of Mormon because someone else said there's an extra book of the Bible know of course not of the Jehovah's Witnesses suddenly simply discover this new bucket made it up.

We don't accept it.

We don't believe so that it's a complete misnomer. The church suppressed statements in the Bible translators of suppressed conflict on people in the old truth is a conspiracy and smiled us back to money and some control and seat of the pope or the Jews or somebody forget it forget it for get it right. Here's a question I was asked on Facebook.

Let me just get over to it and it's from Jonathan and anti-missionary that I was talking with brought up these points. I was wondering how you would respond to the anti-missionary's is this even if you were to grant the Jesus claim to be the divine Messiah that is Pusan was his violent death and subsequent resurrection. He rose from the dead, that would not make him the divine Messiah because of Deuteronomy 13 center missionaries is quote since Jesus was not revealed to anyone inside or anyone else. The Tanakh we have no choice but to understand Jesus as a false prophet. Of course, it's completely mistaken statement. First, he is foreshadowed in the Torah. That's number one and number two he is spoken of throughout the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures Hebrew Scriptures that described his divine nature. The Hebrew Scriptures that indicate that he had to come before the second Temple was destroyed to make atonement for sins. The Hebrew Scriptures that say that he would be rejected by our people that he would die for our sins, that he would be a light to the nations that he would rise from the dead. This is all from the Hebrew Bible as I gave my presentation.

Kansas State University last week at this debate with Rabbi Daniel Fry tag all I did was quote from the bottom eye-opening presentation. I didn't quote a word from the New Testament because all I was doing was quoting verses in context and saying who this is described in the answer was, it describes Jesus the Messiah that has for the tour itself.

The tour itself does not use the term Messiah with reference to the future son of David. If it's his bushy office document that the high priest to his anointed, and it doesn't mention David at all, doesn't mention daily believing and waiting for his coming is my mom and he says that's a principle of faith.

The tradition of his father every day so that's not found in the Torah, by the way the Torah does not say following oral law that's not written down.

Snowfall was written that's that's the foundation.

The judges will give you guidance about disputable matters be followed as written covenants made on was written within the tour itself and refuses New Testament Moses wrote about me. So volume 3 of my series answering Jewish objections to Jesus is devoted to messianic prophecy and the very first objection so in section 4.1 which is the beginning of of the fine three of Jesus really Messiah be so important was wasn't the Torah speak of him at all my aunts. You'd be surprised to see how many passages and concepts actually point to Jesus the Messiah. The Torah sold. For example, Genesis 22 the binding of Isaac in different ways which I lay out in in volume 3 of answering Jewish objections to Jesus in many ways within the binding of Isaac is foreshadowing the Messiah. For example, Abraham proved his dedication to God through sacrificial actions.

Genesis 2212 now I know that you fear God, because you not withhold from your son, your only son. Romans 832. The cell God demonstrates his love for us and not withholding his only son Isaac in Genesis 22 is Abraham's only son. Yes he the same way God's love the world that he gave his one and only son Isaac's willingness to be sacrificed illustrates the Messiah's obedience even to the point of death. Abraham was confident, even those can sacrifice his son.

He somehow returned from Mountain with his son.

This prefigures then Messiah's death and resurrection. Abraham says God will provide the lamb God will provide the lamb for the sacrifice right. Genesis 22 when Isaac says with a final order here. Where is the lamb for the burnt offering. Abraham answered God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, but what was caught in the thicket and it is in us, with its horns. It was a ram here which is going provide the lamb, so there is a further hint about the Messiah coming is the Lamb of God, the one who brings deliverance to the people. God dislike the Lamb of God. When God sees the blood he passes over and doesn't destroy again a foreshadowing of the Messiah and his mission in Jewish tradition states that even though Isaac didn't die. It was credited to him as if he did die so that's just one example. If we look at Joseph rejected by his own brothers suffers false accusations and slander even though he himself is righteous that he's exalted, become the savior of Egypt and the end the world. After which, the second time around his brothers recognize him for who he is a we have. For example, the sacrificial system life for life. The innocent taken the place of the guilty pointing to the Messiah, substitutionary atonement, the death of the high priest in Numbers 35 when the high priest dies, he is a his death releases someone who excellently killed the person the Tallman says that the death of the high priest atones. That's why that happened. Deuteronomy 18 God says he'll raise up a prophet like Moses, then Deuteronomy 30 forces no prophet like Moses was ever raised up to work, signs, wonders and miracles. The way he did when you show it is that prophet like Moses even greater then Moses so this just within the five books in their other things you could dig out as well in terms of foreshadowing's of the Messiah, so Moses wrote about the issue, pointed to him in different ways. Even the promise did it to Abraham in Genesis 12 that through his seed all the world would be blessed that comes to pass through the life and death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah, through whom the knowledge of God. The message of God has gotten out the entire world and then the prophets were raised up in subsequent generations. They continue to give revelation and harmony. God spoke at Sinai, and they also take a picture of Jesus the Messiah. If you believe Moses it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6634 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown in the first hour today I had a very fascinating discussion with biblical and Semitic scholar Michael Heiser, author of the brand-new book, reversing her mom Enoch the watches and the forgotten mission of Jesus Christ and tell you it's an eye-opening fascinating book that the very least will give you more context for how the New Testament writers thought some of the things that they were familiar with that we may have lost sight of. Get the book and the exclusive CD of our interview by going to the line of fire.org I have some extra time on the air to their wasn't sure if Dr. Heiser would be able to stay on the second hour answer questions we had them down for an hour. I thought maybe you could stay on but he was unable to so we got the first hour for you as planned, but I've been taking questions on any subject you have. I can only do on Friday as we never get all the emails and calls and things so you got questions, we've got answers any question under the sun. When asked me if you differ with me been waiting for the right moment. If you're just trying to sort something out spiritually biblical, theologically, culturally, with Israel, the Jewish people and with America. Give us a call 866-34-TRUTH 784 if you want to call about a controversy in your local church best way to do this don't don't mention the name of the church, the name of the denomination.

This we can speak freely.

Well, I've got a big question were dealing with about this issue in just talk about freely in this format, names, personalities and things like that. 8663 freight 784 Bob Basson Facebook United Methodist Church is splitting over differences concerning the authority of Scripture and the Lordship of Jesus Christ. The differences have manifested themselves on the issues of same-sex marriage in relation to ministries reliving active homosexual laws how church is split godly matter of that, they must split they must split the must separate. There's no possible way that they could go on and fellowship and harmony.

This is not a work. It is not going to work, the sooner they recognize that the better because they are not in harmony about some really really important issues so so number one they do is agree to disagree. I would say they all get on their knees before God and they say God, we just want to follow you, God. We just want to follow your word so lead us and guide us if our brothers are right, we are wrong. Show us if we are right near wrong. Show us you do it like that then you say hey you be free to contend free what you contend for him in contempt what I contend for and they God be the judge. That's what you have to do.

That's the guy obvious way that you can do it, but I would say this, that the split must happen and that I would plainly say if I was one of the leaders in the churches that held to the authority of Scripture. In the Lordship of Jesus in these issues and I rejected these new interpretations I would say that the others are in very dangerous error I would warn them short leaders get down on their knees before God and and they speak honestly to him five then I would say to those leaders. I believe you are in serious error in Ezra splitting and dividing. I will warn you that you're going on a path of destruction.

I will warn you that you are deviating from Scripture. I will warn you that what you're doing is is going to cost because the loss of many lives spiritually and is going to bring for the shipwreck to United Methodist Church. Be forewarned. We are praying for your repentance that they want to come up with their wanting that's fine but I would separate in the least bloodied way on a personality issue on a personal issue in a scriptural issue I would make it loud and clear and plain. This is dangerous and destructive and I'm warning you, I'm charging you turn back to God in repentance accept the testimony of Scripture, 8663 freight 784 come back to calls for eventual questions to answer this plan and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown about to go back to the phone fish quickly on Facebook. Kerrigan we think about the prosperity gospel. I think it's terribly misguided. I absolutely believe in God's provision. I believe that there are aspects of the prosperity gospel, which have helped people get out of a poverty mentality and recognize that God is a generous God and have faith to fund missions world wide. I do not believe that poverty in itself is a gift from God, but I've what I fundamentally reject is the idea that Jesus died to make us rich and that the sign of spiritual blessing is physical riches. I believe in provision.

I believe in generosity. I believe that we can have a lot of we can have a little and still serve God effectively in this world. I believe that there is been some positive fruit and swinging away from this mentality is the less you have, the holier you are, the less you give, the more sanctified you are serving abundant God. But this emphasis is a carnal emphasis it is preaching a carnal message to carnal people and is further punch the church of America into carnality to those who teach it. The ones who teach in the most extreme way or go to the most extreme error. Some who teach it in a way correcting out previous poverty mentality have good points. You see God's provision three Scripture that's that's undeniable. We see clearly that we reap what we sow and as we give its giving to us.

We saw that Scripture is the emphasis it is the focus. You can actually search online the prospect. Let's see, what was the chapter. What would say what my book house a barley got a whole chapter of the prosperity gospel that came out in 1990. As for heresy. If you teach that Jesus died to make you rich and that that the proof of spirituality is earthly riches and your great focus should be on physical prosperity that is obviously a destructive doctrine, heretical doctrine because it is nothing to do with saving us from sin or calling us to submit to the Lordship of Jesus. However, if someone is preaching an over emphasis on prosperity that would be something that needs to be corrected as opposed to being outright, heretical, 866342. Let's go to Doug in Kernersville North Carolina. Thanks for calling the line of fire. Hello how are you today doing very well thank you yes thank you for taking my call.

Dr. Brown. I've always wondered about the wise men who came to bring their gifts to Jesus.

It seems that the Jews did not seem to predict that Jesus was coming, but yet this group from the East did and they they understood things that the Jews didn't understand. I wonder where they got their understanding of where they Jews in exile or where they some some group just studied ancient scripts or do we know anything about that. I like to hear what you have to say about that yet we it's a great question.

It's a literate question.

We know very little beyond this written in the New Testament. The question is, those that recall the Magi with a pagan astrologers and that this is Matthew's way of saying that Jesus is the son of Abraham son of David, that he is the Savior of the whole world and right from the start. God is getting the attention of the world and of course God could do that God can speak in all different ways to a psychic.get a message if you want to call it psyche to repent and point them to Jesus.

So that's one idea that they were pagan astrologers and they they had some tradition about a Redeemer coming in and the king of the Jews coming and they were they were now following this, and being led. Another idea would be known within you. But the king of the Jews.

They had to be Jews themselves in exile in it just means wise man or they were just wise men who either through interaction with Jews or through studying Scripture, among other things, want to find out more. We know the Scriptures were available in Greek. At that time the Hebrew Bible of the transcendent degree from a school of the Septuagint so they could have read things there which interesting is there are some Jewish traditions that indicate there was a surge of messianic expectation and the belief that the coming of the Messiah was drawing near. At that time. It's it's not his clearly confirm that we can say definitively but it seems from some of the ancient traditions that are preserved in the centuries following, there was really and some anticipation of the Messiah coming in the first century so it it may not be that the Jewish people were uninformed or unaware just that this particular group receive this specific information. We don't have information beyond was written there, though that's that's the only problem in the Greek could be referring to pagan astrologers or simply to Wiseman.

I would kind of lean toward spending Jewish simply because the gospel was to be preached first to the Jews. That's not proven itself, but that's where I would lean towards you in the elements. And certainly they could make sense but it but again he's being proclaimed is King of the Jews in Matthew tells us. Matthew six.

His mission was first and foremost to Israel's repeated Matthew 15th. However, Matthew 28 ends with go make disciples of the nations you have ready in Matthew eight when he feels that the servant of of a Gentile of Roman centurion bases. Many will come from the East and the West and will feast with Abraham and the kingdom of God, but that the sons the kingdom will be cast out so that could be as I say, a reference way of Matthew saying hey hey I am including the Gentiles right up front tier in this message he is Matthew one Wanda's of Abraham son of David. He is the Messiah of Israel, but is also the Savior of the world so that could be included early on. Again, thank you. It's a great question. I appreciate 86634.

Let me just grab another Facebook question and then we'll go right back to the phones all with to see what is posted here. You, Dr. Brown really struggling right now. A lot. My life is going wrong. I felt my prayers not working. I can't pinpoint one Mona my life were prayers worth it cannot be explained, was science the divine occurrences have been chosen my life.

My cat is really sick right now. The symptoms and I get I pray for him to be healed is not working. I asked God for sign and see nothing. I don't know what to do anymore what is the point of praying for God to help me when I really haven't seen it thus far.

I appreciate others weighing in to help Kristin. Kristin, if you're listening. Don't pray for signs you pray for signs you open yourself up for all kinds of wrong possibilities. What I would do is I would fill my heart and mind with what God says in his word.

I would fill my heart mind with who Jesus is. I would fill my heart and mind with what Jesus is done for me and what he asked of me, and I would worship him and praise him and thank him and ask him to give me a deep wish assurance of eternal life a deeper assurance of forgiveness of sins, a deeper assurance of my relationship with God and that I would. From that vantage point of confidence and assurance, then begin to build on that foundation right and if you do and you honor the Lord, and you continue to pray you will see answers to prayer over the years, you will see God work in certain ways. Most importantly in changing your own life, but you will see it in on deniable ways.

So hang in there, put your trust in the Lord alone let circumstances move you either way and you will see the hand of God.

Indefinite and clear ways. I let's go to Charlotte Charlie, welcome to the line of fire. Hello Dr. Brown I have a question for you ever talk about earlier about the knuckle in and out: Angels and extraterrestrials, so I've had this discussion with people for possible that God who is creative, created other beings out in the universe that are not sinful. Since Satan was banished to the earth to be judged later and they are exploring the way we would explore our ocean while always attributing that they are demonic and that they are there no possible Charlie.

It's it's possible that the other beings. God created that he didn't tell us about other beings that never sinned and for whom Jesus did not have to die. It's it's possible MM and assume they be included into the massive host of innumerable company of angels, but let's just say this not the case. The problem is that the vast majority of experiences that people have say with UFOs with alien abductions. The vast majority of those that have these experiences are into demonic kind of stuff or some kind of mysticism or some kind of openness to other spirits in the main people teaching and propagating these things tend to be on what you would call the dark side. So that's what makes me wonder if these things are demonic counterfeits rather than real alien encounters, but that being said, Siri could there be other universes God created that he didn't tell us about could be, except we know that everything ultimately in all creation will ultimately worship God and thousand lien worship Jesus the Lord so whatever happens, that's the ultimate climax. That's ultimately where it's going that much assure a thank you request you file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown is Dr. Brown. Can you give your thoughts on the current state of the messianic Jewish movement. Would you like dislike where oh where can it see growth in what can we do to reach more Jewish people there so much that's wonderful in the messianic Jewish movement so much it's understood now that the Jews who follow Jesus still Jews. This is no reason to cast off the seventh day Sabbath of the biblical calendar that's wonderful that's good that's healthy that's spreading in a healthy way throughout America throughout the nations and all over Israel to multiplet hundreds and hundreds of congregations, but I don't like variations. Try to prove how super Jewish they are getting more and more involved in Jewish tradition and minutia of Jewish law and I would say by large, those that do so have smaller congregations and are seeing less fruit. The ones that exalt issue of the ones that are unashamed of the gospel message of Jesus assure the ones that welcomed the movement of the Holy Spirit.

The ones that make it important to reach out to fellow Jews.

Those are the ones that will see the most growth of let's see Paul hi Dr. Brown I watched her last debate with Rabbi Fry tag and many more and I was wonder why nobody asked the question should use if Jesus comes back in the clouds elected, would you recognize them as your Messiah with another answer. God bless you for your wonderful work for the Lord Yeshua there.

There is a Jewish joke that the first question that the last the Messiah when he comes.

This is your first time here we appear before a traditional Jew.

This would be unthinkable to them. They couldn't imagine that they could consummate, consider a more liberal Jew might be might be open, then that expectancy, the clouds expected to be raised up among us, and then be exalted as a teacher and then as a leader than fighting the wars of the Lord and rebuild the temple regarding the exiles in establishing the kingdom on the earth in this that's a will know it's the Messiah, but for sure when he comes, what it will bring great shock and for many Jews it will, it will be absolutely traumatic, but I believe that leading up to his coming will be the revelation of who he is and hence is very Jewish people will be crying out to him in repentance and beckoning him to come carry recent had a conversation with a Jewish friend that I asked about the summer.

David wrote my Lord said to my Lord asked was David talk about this of the Hebrew does not refer to the Lord is God or the Messiah. Can you elaborate on this yes is Psalm 110, one it's Yahweh said to my Lord, right, my, my, I don't not Yahweh said to my Yahweh doesn't say God there. It doesn't say Yahweh again.

Rather, Yahweh said so.

The one and only God said to my Lord. So if David wrote the Psalm as we understand from the New Testament, David is saying. Yahweh said to my Lord meeting his son, the Messiah, but because the Messiah would be greater than him. He refers to him as my Lord. So my master and that since my superior. If a court poet wrote it for David, is some of the Jewish tradition suggested. Some scholars believe a court poet wrote for David, the court focusing Yahweh said to my Lord.

David the key thing is that someone 10 is a messianic Psalm's prophecies either given to David is a prototype of the Messiah or written by David about the Messiah himself, Josh, would you believe in a literal six day creation young earth.

So what is science but a sign stating otherwise. I don't believe that Genesis I requires me to to hold to a literal 24 hour at six day creation of and I don't believe that that it tells me not to. I don't believe it's there primarily to teach me science but to teach about God, the creator of Everett states accept as true.

I'm not a scientist. I've had young earth creationist, Charlotte had old earth creationists on the show and isolate the debate continued carry another Kerry please, on the Jewish and man with the effortless experience been to the rabbis. I just haven't watched the video. I know I've been asked to many times I just haven't wants it so I can't comment Sam. Some people say that messianic Judaism is a biblical because the subversive message of Jesus with the law of Moses you think that claim is not biblical.

If someone taught that the only way to be saved was by believing in Jesus and keeping the law of Moses and for a Gentile be saved that they had to be circumcised and insertable of Moses that absolutely would subvert the gospel with us on the sentries believe messianic Jews believe that you should die for us. The rest of the dead does not stop us from being Jews. First Corinthians 6 of your safe circumcised will become uncircumcised. You say don't circumcised will become circumcised places would call their cleaning call to salvation. So every messianic you I know of some of the main leaders and those in the movement. They all preached the same way. Salvation is a gift by grace to reissue the Messiah but that God does not tell us now stop being Jews and any more than Paul the apostle stop being Jews. But the law of Moses is not for our salvation. We are under new and better covenant Lane when we do, your program on the fact all I know I need to just see the movie. It please define love. Please define love well of course we know God is love is very essence love would be defined in different ways. On the one hand, a a feeling of tremendous attraction and desire towards someone or something. I love that person. I love this.

It's also an active of self. This is where you say what I care most about is your well being to be different aspects of love yeah and Tito II posted the channel for folks to listen. I gave the phone number but just posted the channel. Listen online the line of fire.org.

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Let's try to get one more call the Reddit in Huntersville. Thanks for holding what your question, Matt. I love your program. I didn't want to, I didn't want to be critical and not like your program today because it can add or track from the Bible that we added to the Bible, let me break this year. It ended Heaven at first, 21, and all flesh that moved on the earth a better handle, MD, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth and free man and send it be like really good day yet.

First let me just say this, the Reddit, thank you so much for calling and thank you for being so honest, we number one we said right at the outset, my guest, Dr. Heiser, that the book of Enoch is not Scripture, and should not be included in the Bible. Rather, it was something that was read by writers of the New Testament and they were familiar with and they preserve some of the familiarity and that at the flood, aside from Noah and his family. Every human being was wiped out, including the nifty lien. However, we read about the nifty name afterwards because Genesis 6 says that these were men before the flood and afterwords, so apparently these fallen angels again.

There were other fallen angels, who then committed the same sin with other women gave birth to this race of giants that the children of Israel annihilated. So yes, everybody was wiped out of the flood, except for Noah and his family.

God forbid anyone gets any other impression. However, Genesis 6 indicates the rest of the tour indicates that there were others than the committee for same sin. Other fallen Angels copulated with human beings. This race of giants that were then wiped out and made a clear friends get the book and exclusive see the interview with Michael Heiser go to the line of fire.org check it out