More Debate Reflections; Luther's Anti-Semitism; and Jewish Torah Insights

From my debate with Orthodox Jewish Rabbi to Martin Luther's anti-Jewish writings all come your way on thoroughly Jewish Thursday stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

I am excited to be with on the broadcast. Today this is Michael Brown. Welcome to thoroughly Jewish Thursday with your thoroughly Jewish host got a lot of ground to cover and as always if you have a Jewish related question seven regarding the Hebrew Scriptures regarding Jewish tradition, or Judaism practices or beliefs regarding the modern state of Israel. Something having to do with Jesus, Yeshua being the Messiah. Give me a call 866-348-7884 is the number to call for your Jewish related questions today. That's 866-34-TRUTH a few of the things that will get into want to take you back into the debate from last week. We did a brief update. Played a couple clips for you. The day after the debate with Rabbi Daniel Fry tag. Last week, but will give me some more clips from the debate place some clips from folks that were there Orthodox Jews messianic Jews Christians from different backgrounds, so we will play those for you will be interacting with them hopefully to be further insight M. Someone sent me a link from RC Sproul's ministry going there ministries there's a panel discussion question was asked about Martin Luther were his writings anti-Semitic and I want to interact with those are all read some of those quotes to read and play those for you want to interact with that as well. Later in the broadcast and open up the Scriptures and were going to go look at a passage, a well-known passage in the Hebrew Bible, which is a messianic prophecy. I will give you insight into why it's translated in so many different ways and that will be specifically Genesis chapter 49 verse 10, so will be getting into all of that on the broadcast. Today the weekly portion being currently read in the synagogues is from Leviticus chapter 111 to 5, 26, which are fundamental laws of sacrifice and offering. It's a question to ask why does the Torah spent so much time talking about sacrifices and offerings. Why this it's been so much time talking about these things.

Could it be could be that this was a lesson God was communicating to Israel. Could it be that this was something God was saying to Israel in terms of substitution substitution substitution. What's interesting with interesting is that the the corresponding passage from the profits being read in the synagogue. Isaiah 4321 to 44.

23 God says to his people there you have not brought me your sheep offerings your sheep for burnt offerings are honored me with your sacrifices. I've not burden you with meal offerings, nor were you about frankincense have not brought me fragrant read with money nor sated me with the fat of your sacrifices that you burdened me with your sins, you have wearied me with your iniquities. Hence the tie in with this portion from Leviticus chapter 1, and so they came out in the debate that was interesting. God is not against sacrifices God is not against sacrifices anymore than he is against any more than he is against Sabbath observance or prayer.

He is against hypocritical observance and that's what he addressed. Among the prophets. That's what he addressed saying that there was a problem here.

The problem was your being hypocrites sacrifices offerings in your Sabbath observance issue is not the law of the issue was hypocrisy.

I will be right back in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown want to know what you is because the concept that something is changed between Julie God that is altered our covenant to be something other than it was his appalling and offensive and fundamentally anti-Semitic. That was Rabbi Daniel Fry tag this is Michael Brown and you are listening to the line of fire and thoroughly Jewish Thursday and the Rabbi was arguing that this is a major reason our debate last week.

The Jews don't believe in Jesus and so argument course was a strawman that we say that someone died for you so that you no longer keep the law. And here's how I responded.

Let's grab click number 11. This was my response to Rabbi Freitag after his present when it was time for my rebuttal. This was my response.

The question is what is God wants to do to be righteous to believe in him and obey him, who said that changed this whole polemic that Jesus tells your stuff, keep the commandments. The law was never given to the Gentiles that the loss I was there amounts I was ever given to the whole Gentile world that was ever required. The first followers of Jesus. Yeshua is Jews. Yeshua said in Matthew 517 don't think I came to abolish all the profit and come to abolish but to fulfill. So all of his first followers reduce The commandments and this again strikes me as utterly disingenuous. There are many people here.

I'm sure you are part of messianic Jewish congregations. Why because as Jews they say were still Jews still observe the Sabbath will keep on the rabbinic traditions because we see those adding to the Torah, God was very explicit. Don't add when you like the Sabbath candles and says God commanded as he never commanded show mandatory command. He never commanded that so many of the practices are not captured or Differently. This is within different branches of Judaism are different expressions that many messianic Jews. That's another that limits Jews. Many of them live in Israel there there Sabbath observance they date they serve the country they observe that the countermeasure, and here's what bothers me when when messianic Jews seek to limits Jews. The Orthodox community. Other messages, many persecuted seven says you're being deceptive. You have no business doing first were told were supposed to keep the commanders Jews and just try to keep the commanders followers of Jesus recall deceptive exactly and that's part of the irony of all this that when messianic Jews say yeah we we love the Lord and we love the law were not under the Sinai covenant. In terms of its condemnation, or in terms of something to make us righteous, but we we love Shabbat. We love the biblical calendar we observe the dietary laws part of our identity is Jews, but we have experienced forgiveness of sins through Jesus the Messiah. We are transformed people well were told you being deceptive year. What why and just because the church cut itself off from its Jewish roots through history the me that we are required to continue to do that Peter and Paul the apostle's limits.

Jews didn't Pogo items. When asked 20 want to say he's not telling Jews to forsake the customs it's the traditions that get in the way human traditions that get in the way of the word of God that we opposed an approach to God's word that is not by the spirit we oppose that we oppose adding to the commandments as if they are equally binding.

We oppose living out the laws.

If we could somehow be righteous by remorse. We oppose all that but but being a Jew who loves the law and following Jesus assures the same time where's the conflict there. There is none.

Listen to all that see describe number six here is an Orthodox Jewish man sees me he was at the debate, and this is what he had to say. He was interviewed by some of our team. After the debate is what he had to say. I'm Jewish, I'm an Orthodox register and so I was coming in with that and I with one side, if you will, i.e. I really enjoyed. I learned a lot of new things that are very nice dialogue and I never learned a lot interesting.

Interesting that he didn't come away hostile, interesting that he didn't come away saying in a laden with this proselytizing are attacking me. Overseas is a silver God speaking in a civil way. But it's interesting that he heard our side presenting Jesus as the Messiah that with me an interesting discussion.

Perhaps there be more openness in his heart and mind that the worst as but perhaps there be more openness in his heart and mind to the possibility that Yeshua could be our Messiah that they're missing the first part of his mission and out one more postdebate interview will be playing some of the quotes from the debate for you some more interaction. But let's grab click number two.

This is a Christian man from Ghana what he had to say after the debate I thought it was a good debate, I thoughts Rabbi Freitag. I think his bid was centered around the kind emotional cues reduced during the address the issues like this, Jesus the Messiah noticed one of the questions I wanted to ask him. Another interesting thing is he seem to not be really interested in a Gentiles.

It was very early percent of the Jews which was a love interest because he was making a visit payments, condemning anti-Semitism than his way he was talking with financing like any written about him thousands or even more if we are in error Jews, but it was good debate didn't really address the issues very interesting very interesting to hear that. Of course he was there for Jewish people as a rabbi, that would be his focus as a rabbi, his focus was not getting Gentiles to stop believing in Jesus is a rabbi, his focus was. Not helping some Gentile living in a jungle in New Guinea to help that person find that the knowledge of the true God, his focus was responsibility to fellow Jews and his issue was as a Jew. He did not want Jews to turn away from the tour on the traditions and put their faith in Jesus and that was his perspective and he said it right from the start, he was uncomfortable being there because he felt that he would be speaking against Christians and Christianity didn't want to do that because he loves Christians and so on, respects the faith of of course, if you see Jesus is not the Messiah that he didn't rise from the dead, that obviously you're saying that the Christians who believe in complete myth so you can have it both ways.

But I understand the tension he was dealing with him why he was there, but it's interesting. One fellow contacted me and said his brother is ultra-Orthodox to and when I made the point that if in fact the rabbis are writing.

Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah than you have to. Throughout the entire New Testament you have to say that everything that to plus billion people believe around the world is false is based on deception is based on either outright lies or people being deceived about what they believe Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah and throughout the New Testament throughout the faith the more than 2 billion professing Christians world wide right and this ultra-Orthodox rabbi was jarred by that sexy jarred by the and and you know if that's the case then why aren't they warning the whole world, and maybe there's more to this so I found that very interesting in here this Christian brother from Ghana saying the rabbi didn't seem interested in the rest of the world Gentile world that's that's a true observation.

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Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown Mark walking to the line of fire. Dr. Brown how are you doing well. Thank you sir. I have a question I got a friend that was a Jew one time. It is a Jewish person is a great guy friend from his 20 years he served in the back of the Jewish Talmud somewhere in the latter half of it referenced Jesus Christ as the illegitimate son of Mary, that he was referred to as Panthera, and that he was a practice magical powers in Egypt and are learned magical powers in Egypt and the tractor still in Palestine led an insurrection and crucified the because the day prior to the Passover. I was blown away by this I don't know anything at all about the about the Jewish helmet and I wanted to ask you about that days or so is this truly is this a Jewish Talmud actually say these things first thing to understand that you tell me this is a series of many many many volumes and if you have it on itself.

You merely having them in a set of 20 volumes and it's it's got almost every imaginable position discussed and there was to be imaginable subject comes up, but yes. Along the way and its there are.

This is in several different places in the Talmud there or disparaging references to Jesus. Some of this is seems to be in response to church opposition and church hostility towards Jewish people. But yes, there are some ugly statements.

He's referred to as the son of of Panthera, the, the word being that that Mary Miriam had an affair with a Roman soldier and that the best guess on that Mark is is that the Greek word used for virgin parts in us that that rather than saying he was the son of Parthenon C was the son of Panthera.

This Roman soldier so some think that's where that that myth came from near there's another another charge that he wanted to Egypt and he learned magical arts there and he came back and then deceive many in Israel.

Another would say that he's he's burning in hell sometimes is not referred to directly. He's referred to by another name. Like Bailey would then represent Jesus and then some scholars say with these really want references to Jesus of Nazareth, but further text mentioned have mentioned some of his disciples mentioned and been crucified on the day before the Passover, yes.

So there are the stomata traditions and in the market. Over the centuries as anti-Semitism developed and got uglier and uglier in the church and Jews were actually killed if they would not be baptize the regular choice of baptism or death, then the literature got even uglier and the Martin Luther was exposed to some of this later in life and and that's part of what turned him into such an ugly horrific have such an ugly horrific stance.

This discourse is no excuse what he did was murderously ugly and and terrible used by Adolf Hitler, but he actually had the misapprehension that the Jews cursed Christians in their synagogues every Sabbath, etc. but he did see some of these things again. What's in the Talmud about Jesus is is ugly and also inexcusable. Some of it unfortunately was a polemic against the the Christian attack on Jews in the demonizing of Jews. But yes those things. Those things are RR in the Talmud among many many others and if they understand the Talmud will have a lengthy discussion back and forth and Mark said this and Mike said this in Joseph this and Sam said this and oldest of all these quotes and sentimentality. Who's right and who's wrong.

It's just throwing them out so it's unlike the Talmud teaches that your average Buddhist you study it doesn't even notice those passages but yes those things are there for a second question real quick to answer them all. Thanks much for your time goblet here in your ministry.

Thank you's or God bless 8663 freight 7884. Let's go to Anderson in Leesburg, Virginia. Welcome to the line of fire. Thank you like to request your Krieger actually your paternal cousin John the Baptist will believe I was Jewish or the Levite because you look at the genealogies in Matthew and Luke. They go back to his father Joseph who actually won. His father was in his genealogical father biological father right will first thing is John Johnny Mercer was also Jewish. You could Jewish referred to at that point all the all the people of Israel.

In other words, the 12 tribes of Israel will consider Jesus. So Janine was he of the tribe of Judah is your specific question that was Jewish, is to be valuable wasn't the right so was. Was he a Levite know that that the New Testament witness is consistent that he is of the physical seed of David, in which case we have to understand that his mother Miriam was out was of the line of of David and of the tribe of Judah, and many read Luke's gospel as actually being of of Mary Miriam so it was as supposed the son of so-and-so, but actually the son of Annette Agosta, Miriam's father, but there other predict traditions have been preserved that say that Miriam Mary was actually of the tribe of Judah and and herself and a descendent of David herself. So yes, it's a fair question to ask of for the very reasons that you asked consider, but for everything that we understand he was physically of the seed of David. He needed to be different for messianic prophecy but he was also greater than David. Hence, divine on the divine side greater than David on the human side, a descendent of David, but either way Jewish is again to be Jewish did not just mean from the tribe of Judah right did not simply mean from the tribe of Judah simply meant any of the people of Israel were considered Jews is a large term just as it is today for me to be Jewish. I don't know what tribe I descended from the tribe of Benjamin.

If I was Levite there would've been some some connection probably preserve the family name like Colton Colin or Levi or something else family tradition. We have no such indication of that from about the tribe of Judah most likely statistically, but don't know if one of the other tribes that then merged in with the larger people of Israel and and the people of Judah after being exiled or came south to be part of the people of Judah.

So were all Jews. If we descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and that respect to whether word from the tribe of Levi from the tribe of Judah. Thank you sir for your question. I friends I'm going to take questions for 90 more minutes. That's right, and I will be play more debate clips and I really be getting into Martin Luther's anti-Semitism would open up Genesis 4910 to keep listening, just in case you lose many local stations just go to the line of fire.org. Click on listen live to keep listening know if you have an android phone.

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I just think it's important really think it really well and now I believe what you believe me.

Yet this this is one of the great things about the debate in one of the things that I love so much is you get to present both sides fairly. It's easy to live in a little bubble very easy to live in little bubble and in that little bubble all you do is reinforce what you believe and never get it challenged.

How much can you grow doing that much can you learn doing that now I know some people are very fragile and use their they're very confused and new and you want to do your best is to build them up build them up build them up. But if you're on the side of truth.

If you're confident that you're in the right if you're confident that your position can withstand scrutiny. Then you you bring it out in the light you don't mind the challenge affect you welcome it is through that challenge you get to demonstrate the truth of your position all the more. And through that challenge you'll be forced to study and grow and learn. If you get hit with new challenges and I decided friends many decades ago when I was confronted with many objections to the inspiration of the Bible. Many objections to my faith in Jesus as the Messiah of Israel many objections to all that was dear to me in the faith I was encountering these both from talking to rabbis encounter missionaries as well as from my professors in college and grad school, some of whom are actually very hostile to religious faith. What I believe his parents were Holocaust survivors. He was a Holocaust survivor and then turned hostile became a theist there from orthodoxy to atheist. They're just lots of different folks. I was around over the years and I determine okay I know that you sure that Jesus has radically dramatically change my life. I know that I have this incredible relationship with God and it's undeniable so much of what he's done in my life. At the same time. If what I believe is true and real. If what I believe is is from God, then it can withstand the scrutiny. So bring it on and it wasn't bringing on the wearing of a close my eyes and just swing wildly with no it was bringing on.

Let me hear your objection. Let me think about your objection.

Let me look at your objection. Let me evaluate your objection. If you're on the side of truth and enough to change my position. If you're not the cellular reinforce my position and that's what happened year after year after year that my position was only reinforced I did needed to be reinforced with the more I debated, the more it was reinforce the more I studied with scholars and professors who didn't believe what I believe some of her very friendly, some hostile, but the more that happened then. Then, in point of fact, the more the that I so hate Messiah truth here. I'm on the set of truth in this essentially wonderful and I can proclaim it boldly and clearly and boldly and clearly so we continue to get the message out without fear.

And I love to do debates. In fact, the better the opponent, the better the debate. Otherwise, it's so unfair. Otherwise people say, well, that person was prepared your debate better debated snow.

Let's get someone just disqualified this we can address the issues and that the issues then speak for themselves and friends got nothing to fear.

Jesus, Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel, Jewish person listening to me. Are you willing to face the facts completed you humble yourself before God's courage, the folly sometimes is costly. It's wonderful costly to follow the site right back with your phone calls for plan and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown 2148663487884 number call. Let us go to Powder Springs I was I was heading there I was, try Washington DC Charlie, welcome to the line of fire. I got hello. My question my question about biology, not a quick background in the right direction of God provided by the idea that direction could have been made up. They found differently got the idea that the Jews and the Gentile world and ultimately I'll probably make all the data that start out part of our conviction that all that you represent Israel and by God and their similar constructional can be made between the Jewish theology, being rooted and the authenticity of the event and not just being the product of ancient speculation or derivation of engineering able specifically for information that indicates it could yet so you that it couldn't have happened that the strongest issue would be the monotheism of the Hebrew Scriptures you you may have things you can point to called manometry, which is that that this one God, Yahweh, is greater than all the other gods, but it goes further than that. It says that these other gods are not really gods at all, so let's just say for example you take Genesis chapter 1 right. Some scholars have pointed to with a call. The Babylonian Genesis and they they try to argue that certain words and phrases found in Genesis 1 really refer to or reflect Babylonian imagery and things like that. But when you read Genesis 1 and you contrasted with the ancient near Eastern creation stories ill and the gods get angry because you know this letter than younger gods are making too much noise in this battles in the heavenly reason and you get heaven and earth, because 11 goddesses chopped in half and you got half is earth and half is heaven in either the more you read it you read Genesis 1. There's this massive star contras. But that was the cultural million and in which it was written that you have all these other deities that you had these these competing powers. For example llama which means see was a Canaanite deity. It was was a chaos God and end ball was was a fertility garden and various things like that when you see how all these gods are nothing when you get to the transcendence of God's in Isaiah 40 through 48 Nessus it is transcendence of God. Even in Genesis 1. It's so stands out from its environment. The question is, where would one get that from even in in the in Egypt there is a file called Akhenaton who led a push for a certain monotheism that the son of God was the one true God. But then, on a lesser level.

The Pharaoh himself was considered to be a God. And of course it never took in the society they they continued in their polytheism so that that's a big question as to where this concept of one God and one God only would've come from. Because there is there's nothing in that environment from which to grow again. When you compare it. Compare that theology with the competing views there so radically different. The, the question of Sabbath observance where did that come from where did we get the idea of a seven day cycle is easy enough to get the idea of of the month from the moon in the in the year from the rotation of the earth around the sun, but seven-day week.

Some claim there is a Babylonian precedent for that.

I think that argument is weak. Nonetheless, it doesn't prove that it had to be from that encounter with cottages shows this is something that was developed among the people of Israel that was unique in the ancient world, but by the there's a Jewish argument Charlie that says that because the claim was made that the whole nation heard God speak at Sinai that that could not be manufactured subsequently. Otherwise, people would know it was a lie and a myth that if you just talk about something in our own history and you make up something new and say the whole nation knew it obviously don't know that that was the case, but I think there many arguments against that. One of which is that to the extent people are disconnected from their traditions in exile.

You could theoretically introduce new traditions and new myths so we forgot these. We didn't even know about these, but to me they the lofty monotheism of the Hebrew Bible does stand out. You did have ancient law codes and you can compare the Hebrew ancient Hebrew laws to the ancients running law codes and yes there is a higher ethic in those law codes that are associated with the people of Israel, but not the point reconsiders no possible explanation for this, arising right so yeah II read and I've drawn all throughout the Bible alignment easily point out the distinction between transcendent Bible continuity that the pagan world was a pretty strong event: I think about it I just don't think that you know that the Jews at the time could've gotten the idea outside of the direct revelation of God.

Yeah, Charlie. It's it's interesting you raise this question because last night I was proofreading my manuscript for a book called saving the sick Americans a prescription for moral and cultural reformation that's due out the end of September with Thomas Nelson publishers and as I was reviewing it just just proofreading it is it still being final editing right now I do have out one chapter where I'm dealing with the Bible how it stands out and how remarkable it is and even the concept of human beings being created in the image of God and what that means, not some physical imagery await word God must be 6 feet tall and with a beard. If he is a man you know that not that. But to have his characteristics and a and I have part of this chapter right contrast Genesis 1 and even even some scientists would say the first year of sound, then you have light and you just the way it's in Genesis, God said, let there be light, and then the things that happen subsequently in the question is, the more you look at the pagan background.

We look at the cultural background, the more you say where with the get this from among the best things you can do is read the literature and end the book you mention is for the best book for the John John Oswalt's book about the ball among intimates John Oslo and John Walt have both written excellent stuff on that but to me that's the best thing to do. Look at the background look at the context read them side-by-side and think how did one group of people come up with this and then give the prophetic literature in the transcendence of God and the true prophetic liturgy think what you get this from his that's just not how people conceptualize the deity. I guess that if if part of the whole account of human creation and how we got heaven and earth and all this was no fights among the gods and the undergrads being to noise and the other guys getting upset go to war with each other and you compare that to the biblical difficult picture. It's just begin to mean no explanation except for divine inspiration right right well thank you so much appreciated. Yes, the great questions and thanks for the research and reading your doing, 86634 let's go to Atlanta drew welcome to the line of fire the director Rabbi Rebecca talk at other basically what I wanted at accurate.

Basically, the only have the same level of tolerance and privilege of the like 88 were not for you absolutely right and you don't articulate of the community and like equitable so sausages wanting what you think it's the case that you can be a Jew boo Jewish, Buddhist, and that's okay to be Jewish atheist you could be a Jewish gay activists all that's acceptable to me.

Obviously people really differ with you but saying it and you could even be a Jew who goes to church and identifies as a Christian that's bad, but the worst thing is when juices I'm still a Jew. I love the Gerard I just observe it. Now the light of the coming of the Messiah. The covenant part of a messianic congregation of this lot more hostility to would stay right there want to touch on the inside of the break. Obviously the charger be will will be in such a mess. Imagery is being deceptive and see have a messianic synagogue new Caesar the Sabbath. This is all just to proselytize.

This is all deception, but talk to Miss introduce around the world to know is who we are.

Why should we forsake this fall. The Jewish Messiah.

I will write back withdrew from Atlanta file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown friends. Drew your your interest in our experience.

Why is it that there is this level of hostility for many of the Jewish community towards those who identifies missing Tuesday to see them as imposters to the think the whole thing is just the deception to proselytize what your understanding a much bigger threat.

Believe me. A lot of their intermarry that are not but yeah I don't recall on.

I think there's an effort by machinery, so also the paranoia community that my question is not autobiographical neglect unit. You think there's an effort will I are talking Orthodox family know what the community would never, everyone you think there's an effort.

But let's say this when there are things done like in years past, trying to deprogram people that I had friends of mine that many years back were kidnapped when the when they first came to faith in Jesus, their parents actually had deprogram us kidnapped them and bring them to meet with County missionaries and rabbis this is that the kind of thing they want publicize knowing to the extent I have challenge counter missionary friends.

They have publicly said. We repudiate that we don't believe in that we distance ourselves from that of an end. For the most part Jews who do believe in Jesus. If you are ultra-Orthodox, they are secret believers because they knew that the know, the moment they come out publicly they could lose everything family will turn on them every connection every social connection I have everything that's of value to them of life outside of their faith in God would be stripped away family would be gone but said it had kids.

The ability for those kids to get a good marriage in the community be gone making a living would be gone and there could even be physical threats and attacks and those that I know that are believers, that is not told because out of the community are secret believers. For those very reasons of with the religious Jewish community like that to be known on think so. But that's sadly a reality. I think the one of the issues drew initially when messengers carnations were birthed, some were birthed with the sense of Hayward were Jews love Jesus but were still Jews and some didn't feel totally at home in the church setting, but others thought. Look, we need to do a better job of reaching our people. So instead of being called pastor was recalled, Rabbi, and so on, and I could see how the Jewish committee thought was being deceptive. That was if you're preaching Jesus going preach Jesus if you preach the cross going to preach the cross but don't take the imagery down, put up the Star of David. Instead, it was something else okay how however however number one. These people, these messianic leaders over the years really prove themselves to be true Jews who love their Jewish community were active in the good that the good of Israel worldwide and who are raising their kids as Jews who believe in Jesus the Messiah.

And you can call it deceptive. It's from the heart. It's genuine when I was in a messianic interrogation in Atlanta last week that allow the correlational leader of Rabbi Kevin was all excited because Susan the previous.week. His daughter had had there been bat mitzvah and was so proud of her in a reading from the Hebrew at all this and that's just family that's that's how he was raised. He spent time living in Israel his family that so he was raised that some skits are being raised so to them being Jewish and believe in Jesus, she will go go hand in hand. She really can't say it's deceptive because these people are doing for the hearths number one number two who said that the church ways. The only way for you to worship who says that the church ways know the church calendar is only for a Jew who says that a Jew has to celebrate Easter and Christmas and can celebrate the resurrection, death and resurrection of the Messiah during Passover and can celebrate Hanukkah instead of Christmas. Where is it written it's not so the Jewish community has been so use to this idea that this is a foreign religion that your joining that to now say no were Jews. We continue to be Jews. In that sense with all respect to my Jewish friends that that differ with me here. That sense, one small messianic congregation creates more of a stir in the Jewish community and raises more issues. The Jewish community and say 10 large churches, each of which have hundred Jews in them because the want to send to you for similar that you join this foreign religion we differ with you.

We hate to lose you but we lost you to find listeners said when the losses were Jews. We continue to be Jews live S2s nothings changed in that regard. I think that's what makes it a greater threat. But if you remember early on the debate I play the clip to this effect early on in the show today. Rabbi Fry tag, said look anyone telling us not to live as Jews.

Anyone telling us not to toot to follow the commandments were to reject that and I simple not telling you that Jesus didn't die so you don't have to keep the commandments.

He died forgive you for your sins. And now enable you by the spirit to keep them in a in a new and wonderful way. I said why is it then that that you give messianic you such a hard time when the civil we want to keep the commandments through three. She will really love the law. Why give them such a hard time and that of course this is Achilles' heel that you gotta face it you and attack God that welcome at your congregation Congregation like banking and then later on you choose all the bank what about that and thinking about your congregation and you are doing your effective yet I believe it's right for believers to gather together whether it's it's fine if someone still wants to attend a traditional synagogue at certain times of the year and and its support for the families. They do it or of that they have a certain burden for the people to do it. But above all our weekly gatherings. We should be with fellow believer so Jews who believe in Jesus Gentiles who believe in Jesus issue should gather together, absolutely. But out to the urban community to talk. Chris us messianic Jews for love in the Torah, even if they reject the traditions while I criticize them as they gather on Shabbat and and and say the seventh day Sabbath government changed it.

Why criticize them for that is a good for you. Good and and and isn't that what you believe that by observing the Sabbath that something positive happens in the soul of a Jew, so I get upset with the Jew who doesn't who they were doing it before they were secular, their worldly now they came to faith in Yeshua the Messiah and other celebrate the 70 Sabbath hours before the Lord. What you said about that is a good thing you should rejoice all right.

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866-34-TRUTH 784 866-34-TRUTH with any Jewish related question of any kind. Hebrew Bible Butte Judaism and Jewish tradition be questions about Yeshua being the Messiah. By all means give me a call 866-348-7884. Let's go back into last week's debate and play a few clips for you will start with number seven Rabbi Daniel Fry tag local Orthodox Jewish leader in the Atlanta area. Debate was held right outside of Atlanta is one of the points that he made during the debate. The only reason I'm here is because of two basic things. This event was advertised to the Jewish community in the Jewish times and I had a good talk with the president here mentioned that the president and vice president of the chapter were born Jewish. I'm here to speak.

Jews I'm here because somebody reached out to my people to try to tear them away from their father and I apologize to you who are righteous people, spiritual people. Bible believers for my strong talk tonight to explain to you why Jews were willing to give themselves up to be burnt by the stake cannot accept this idea again it's important that you understand the Jewish perspective that saying yes to Jesus. Yeshua is saying no to God that saying yes to Jesus. Yeshua is separating you from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that saying yes to Jesus. Yeshua is saying no to the Cheraw and to Jewishness.

Of course nothing could be further from the truth and it is only because the church strayed so far from its Jewish roots and even persecuted Jews in Jesus name than anyone could have that perception. That is the perception and it's something that we have to deal with them.

1 Great Way that it's being dealt with today is is by a messianic Jewish congregations all around America over Israel. Even in other nations, and in these different congregations Jews living as Jews in there celebrating the death and resurrection of the Messiah in the midst of the Passover season, like it would've been done by the first followers of issue, all of whom are Jews, and the Sabbath remains Saturday because other changes ascending order here command the Gentile world to set aside Saturday is the Sabbath, so there is unity and on diversity is perfectly fine for messianic variation to meet on a Saturday for the interrogation to me on a Sunday and another group to say no. We meet in homes on Wednesday night and that's her principal gathering and that's all between them and God. But the idea that a Jew who becomes a follower of Jesus the Messiah ceases to live as a Jew is on biblical and is utterly incorrect is based on historical developments that deviated from God's intent. Scripture based on misunderstanding. So that's one reason we stress that we are Jewish followers of Jesus. The people understand were still Jews people so used to be Jewish and non-Jewish practice traditional Judaism and Jewish faith only reasonably study fever and immerse myself in his other issues and uninteresting rabbinic literature. That's all that I have of Israel because of a believer was out of heroin shooting host using hippie rock drummer through Jesus. I got reconnect her plan by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown addressed her right to fear and learn from it and make educated decisions. I think is very important, very important evening like this are extremely important. Whatever side you coming from those in Orthodox Jewish men play the clip the clip from earlier in the first hour of the broadcast. Talking about last week's debate that I have with most of Jewish Rabbi will have it up on YouTube. Hopefully for you very soon to watch is Jesus, the Jewish Messiah and here I'm pleased that the general would say it's great to hear both sides. Great year both sides now rather Fry tag explained the beginning of his comments that the Jews don't like to debate they been these issues they've been forced by Christians to debate that with the edge of the sword and and so on. It's a no-win situation. There there is been a horrible history of that the first debates though from what we see took place. New Testament ties right in the synagogues right in the synagogue went when people were when with say Saul of Tarsus came to faith in debate these issues in the synagogue so it's it's important to know that these debates have been taking place for millennia not only sell but almost inevitably, almost inevitably, when a Jewish person comes to faith in Jesus you're sat down with a local rabbi family member will say can you talk to the rabbit or your percent now become a missionary website look at this, look at that and most Jews succumb to faith in Jesus like me don't have a massive education. There are some very educated, very traditional come to faith with the majority don't have that much background and in Judaism and and that that the net religious so that it confronted with things that never dealt with before and some of the say can I bring someone with me. Can I bring someone along with inner talk to the rabbi all rabbit rather talk to privately referred that over the years I've offered to go with people a chemical meet Rabbi together they'd rather meet with me privately understand they just want to have that in an intimate discussion of this theft site. Could you bring some along the can help is so brand-new this all absolutely brand-new and in you been studying these rabbi for many many years. This is a brand-new believer they don't know much and and out. I had meeting after meeting like that. The first couple years I was saved I met numerous times with rabbi's private. I was eager to do what I want to talk to them but I was I was bombarded with stuff that I don't have answers for everything. I knew my relationship with God a new Scriptures, but have answers for executive debate. The Hebrew back that I find it ironic that people want to talk in private yell touching private or old challenges in private and in there been many times roots intimidating and unusual appetite what want weed to students public about that about we do this in public about we put the issues on the table like some people are just disingenuous. I was interacting with gay Jewish activists on Twitter the other day trying to do it in the midst breaks during radio to take it. I can't really do it I can get into in-depth conversation into especially now but try and interact as intake, radio show, right, radio show, if you have an issue and if you think I'm wrong about God, and transgender issues in Hebrew Bible, show, and he tweeted back and said, can you give your platform or increase your platform by coming on your so I said thankfully because Raisa got a great platform in her gut over half-million folks on Facebook and good social media following at lot of folks reading articles and lot of folks listen to the radio show and watch us and you two so thankfully by God's grace all by his grace I appreciated. We take the platform very seriously.

I said I got a great platform and segment you can expand by coming out I'm offering you my platform to get your message is the exact opposite, activity that sick okay have a private phone call though, no response. Let's is being disingenuous.

This is dissing me and and and when I spoke about let's have an honest conversation.

Can we talk in private death and the other of the liberals are reached out to and I need to talk.

We need to talk.

I need to talk to white evangelical Christians that voted for Trump's long bucket list of issues okay. I wrote back a Republic article he sent that week had people call the person we email the person week or believer tried to call but no email that I tweeted them numerous that reset every possible is it.

Here's the article I wrote response. You can see my tonsil. Let's talk silence. Silence, as have with other I'm not gonna mention all the names of public leaders yeah will talk will die will debate will have it they drop their hear from again. But their rabbis who are aggressively pushing their counter missionary position.

They have YouTube videos up. They have pamphlets out they have intranet sites they have all types of materials arguing their point and I soon will tell you one thing you do this your your sharp your professional of this to for many years. Let's put dishes on the table have a public debate. No, we don't debates all have that that bothers the summary title agree. Some people try to figure out a way that we can do a debate. It's mutually acceptable and God willing, less than a month from now. That's can be unfolding in ultra-Orthodox rabbi, missionary to my highly respect. He and I finally hatched a plan. I wanted to do oral debates be told from day one. It's just not his style is that he wouldn't do it and it you know he likes to have the material.

Think about it, reflect audit look at it in writing and then rebut so we interact in writing, but I can never keep up is no way that I could have a lengthy written debate, especially with others who want other people resolve that wanted to beat me in writing as well times doesn't permit that.

So we kept coming up with different ideas how we can debate the issues and finally agreed on anything as his proposal at those great proposal that on the same day we each release a video on the same subject euros. Jesus, the Jewish sorrow who is the Messiah or or whatever.

What is the Bible say about the Messiah, the same day with this organization with my the same time Boehm we we we put a video online goes live right same time and then one month later we out we we post rebuttal to each other.

One month after that rebuttal to the rebuttal.

So now you have 320 minute videos each of us what our one hour side-by-side, you can evaluate great and we get to critique each other's position. Great idea sir, I respect you because he wants to the same thing I would get the issues on the table for people who are seeking so that they can do their best to sort them out when I don't like this.

It's almost a raise their issue and argue their point and motivated. That's what I don't like the thing I challenge you, challenge you, challenge you, but then they will publicly debate. That's what bothers me personally, 866-348-7884 toilet. Let's grab two more clips from the debate bait and will get number eight and number 12 so first rabbi Fry tag from last week's debate clip number eight, we were to believe that Jesus was the Messiah. That he has changed that change that mandate that really what I mean. Daniel Friday what I need to do is to cut out the commandments. Stop keeping Shabbat stop keeping kosher. What I really need to do is figure out a way to accept somebody who died for my sins that all I need is for there to be one place. In this book 1 just wants anywhere first person statement to me from God that says dear Jew, I changed my mind.

No longer shall you keep the commandments for the Messiah will come and through his death he will no longer need to keep the commandments.

One that was basically the one point that the rabbi drove home all night but assisted growth beginning as of the point were debating because I believe that I believe God said okay what you believe this man who died for you and then don't observe the Sabbath and don't follow the commandments are anything we said that really she get that idea from the silhouettes the way the church didn't get to follow Jesus have to cease being Jewish was a church cut itself off from its Jewish roots in their their Catholic baptismal formula for this from the from the Middle Ages and late Middle Ages, where in order to be baptized.

You had to renounce all Jewishness you had a say I'm gonna separate for the rabbis I'm going to a document, observe the Sabbath or circumcise my sons and on and on and on response and for strength and symmetry safe circumcise me to cultivate, circumcise, don't become uncircumcised.

No one's new test is if you do stop being a Jew now. Not can be saved by being a junior I can be saved by observatory risen Savior do stop being a Jewish film, it's not there. We do have first person discussing a make a new covenant, and it won't be like the Sinai covenant of my Toronto my teaching in your hearts, and though be automatic obedience and all all remember your sins and wickedness no more. Forgive you. Remember your sins we can sell more assisted the debate. That could mean the same Torah was given at Sinai, is now put our hearts in the new covenant, but we automatically obey it and our sins are forgiven, or it could mean that hell of different constant different teacher to begin authoritative instruction, teaching law could mean that you do what God did say that the relationship will change. It won't be like the Sinai covenant that implies changes but nowhere does God say okay when the Messiah comes due. Cease to be Jews when the Messiah comes due to Ben Sabbath wasn't written so unfortunately when the major points.

The Rubbermaid all night was completely relevant. It's like you got up and saluted that Elvis Presley is for Mars birthday the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, King Dean know it's it's a big question. If Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah. If he's not the Savior of the world if with the New Testament.

This is not true, then all of the things that are happening his name around the world. The miraculous things. The things that cannot possibly be explained other than divine intervention.

None of them can be real.

They are either demonic deceptions or God himself is diluting the whole world or their figments of people's imaginations. Obviously certain things you can't write off as figments of people's imaginations. So how did these things happen, who's behind them. Obviously God himself is beyond his is drawing people to himself through this. Which means that he continues to act on behalf of the whole world. If Jesus is not the Messiah, God has done nothing redemptive to reach out to the whole world. Rather, waiting for Israel's obedience to reach the place where the Messiah can be revealed, and then the messianic kingdom established on the earth, and so got done nothing and redemptive salvific way for the whole world. Go ahead and rot. Go ahead and go to hell. Go ahead and be lost.

Go ahead and try to find your own way in the midst of all the other religions.

That's what God would be saying to the rest of the world, which is why there's a big question. If Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah than what about all these other people around the world who believe that he is the all deceived and believing lies traditional Judaism say they are, but the wiser, better than believing in many different gods be apologists of Islam, Christianity, really bad. At least a step in the right direction. Trust me, Christians are not laying down their lives around the world for the gospel sacrificing their lives to reach people with the message of Jesus. Yeshua just to give them a better lie until the real Messiah comes. What utter nonsense.

And what an insult the gospel faith 866-34-TRUTH let's go to Grace since Eagleville or Seagoville, Texas walking to the line of fire, sure thing. Thank you. Thank you a lot, Craig picturing our prayer and how much we love you and your family ministry will thank you so much I appreciate the deeply about her and not on the calendar. I was wondering if you know why it's not on the calendar holiday hello little bit about Earl and how it elevated and another quick question about the name of Yeshua.

It may look cheap. I read that it not at G different from Yeshua means salvation is not okay so let me answer the second question first. Jesus is the English way of saying the rename. Yeshua just like in Spanish. It's Jesus or in Italian it's J Sue in English it's Jesus. But it means one the same thing goes back to the Hebrew Yeshua, which is short for Yahweh is salvation or Yahweh saves since absolutely the same. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. The just like my name Michael means, who is like God. He goes back to Hebrew Misael. If I was Spanish would be Miguel, but it's the same name Mikael who is like God Michael in English Miguel in Spanish so she will in Hebrew Jesus in English Jesus Spanish J Sue in Italian. All the same name. All the same person all with the same meaning as first perm grace it it is on the Jewish calendar any Jewish county you have it will come up as a holiday this year. It was basically two weeks ago and it's celebrated on a Tuesday. It's a festive occasion. It's a fun occasion.

Jews will gather together the though often wear costumes and you'll have someone representing evil handmaiden with the name Haman sounded everyone burial hisses and and then in the Seminoles represent Esther and Mordecai. Often their poor employees that are put on that are fun, there's their celebration with with certain foods that are eaten and things like that and then gathering synagogue in the school of Esther is read, etc. so if you just if you just get online and just type in the word program, which of course goes back to the poor that the lot and and is explained in in Esther the ninth chapter. If you just go there.

I just type in the world would see what I type. Just type in perm and at UC Judaism 101 program. What is Purim all these Jewish websites come up immediately with more information for you there. Hate appreciate the call you inmate you may have been asking and wondering about is it on the biblical calendar the five books of Moses, what comes after comes centuries later right becomes almost a thousand years after the giving of the law on Mount Sinai. Since that was not part of that calendar, but it's part of a Jewish calendar worldwide for sure, 866-34-TRUTH of before we go back to the phone simply play one more clip from the debate and addressing the issue of atonement will play. Clip number 12 from a debate last week with Rabbi Daniel Freitag if all there is is keeping the commandments.

Why did you need a sacrificial system. Why is there a need for young people or day of atonement if and how is it working out for us. The temples been destroyed almost 2000 years. How is it working out. If you, sir, want to be righteous enough to stand before God and say I stand before you buy my righteousness by keeping the commandments go ahead on the plea for mercy. The very best I know how to plead for mercy.

The good news is that God gave us atonement. This is in the Torah.

If you believe the law that you gonna believe all of it and the atonement system essential what happened to the blood sacrifices yeah so again, why did God give blood atonement as part of the Sinai covenant. The obvious answer well because were going to fall short.

We can't be justified by keeping the commandments alone and absolutely without question a religious Jew would say yes we need atonement and and God forgives us when we repent and that's the whole issue so that if we truly repent, forgive us wealth repentance alone was never enough.

It was repentance and blood sacrifices substitutionary atonement take away the sacrifices the. The animals that were killed on the day of atonement the cleansing of the blood on the day of atonement, the goat that was sent out to the wilderness, a so-called scapegoat bearing the sins of Israel take those away and there was no atonement system. So yes, repentance is important.

Yes, obedience is important, but we also desperately need atonement comes through the substitutionary death of Yeshua the Messiah Jesus the Messiah, the one to whom the sacrificial system ultimately pointed the one through whom we can receive eternal redemption and forgiveness of sins and a new heart and a changed life. This is the reality. This is the potential of the new covenant.

This is what God has called us to walk and my fellow Jews listening. I say there is a better way right that it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown thank you so much for the Michael Brown welcome to the broadcast 86634878 for his number to call with uric Jewish related questions you want to hear something ugly you want to hear something anti-Semitic in the name of Jesus was pro-Baptist infamous Ritz God hates fags rhetoric and its God hates America rhetoric and rejoicing when the corpse of one of our heroes of our soldiers from overseas is sent back after being said, blown up by an ax improvised explosive device and IED and the rejoice at the funeral and that's God's judgment on America well. Not surprisingly, there are also anti-Semitic and clip number 20 Johnny Westborough Baptist Church protested at yeshiva University Orthodox Jewish University New York City with Jews killed Jesus signs and here's some of their rhetoric and how more and there's no they have available their heart and turn, will actually there are worse things that have been said, and they do believe that there be Jewish turning at the end of the age. That's at least a positive. In a surprising positive from them. But this whole indictment that the Jews killed Jesus and other was a Jew today is somehow responsible for the death of Jesus 2000 years ago or a Jew living in Europe, a thousand years ago is somehow responsible for the death of Jesus 2000 years ago. This is one of the horrid anti-Semitic libels that is been used one of the charges. That is been used. In fact, it gets even worse DSI DSI homicide is what the killing of a man. DSI is the killing of God. This is the belief if Jesus in fact is God in the flesh that when the Jews killed Jesus to choose were trying to kill God. Therefore, all cues of all time or guilt.

That is the type of rhetoric that was used to stir up anti-Jewish hatred for centuries and stirred up professing Christians who are nothing but hypocrites and liars, and they burn juice at the stake for their alleged crimes and they they offered Jews, baptism, or death. That's one reason that many Jewish people have found it so hard to even entertain the idea of Jesus being the Messiah. After all, after all, he is the archenemy of Israel, after all Jewish blood is been shed for centuries and is named traditional Jew connects Christianity with the Holocaust to see what Holocaust Hitler Nazis. They were anti-Christian. True since they were there with the children of Christians since it will come to Christians today.

Been the children of what is the problem. Martin Luther himself initially spoke very graciously about the Jewish people. So the way the Catholic Church, it treated them in 1523 Rhoda was little treatise concerning that he sees me that Jesus Christ was born a Jew in the whole goal and purpose was to reach out to the Jews and to say hey the way the Jews have been treated the way they've suffered through the centuries and the way the church is treated them rather be a pagan Christian. Let's reach out with level XX years later when the Jews did not respond to his overtures when he had been exposed to ugly anti-Jesus literature that was in traditional Jewish circles when he was old and sick.

He wrote his mini book concerning the Jews in their lives, in which he laid out exactly what should be done to the Jews, including forbidden the rabbi's teacher and death, including hurting them together in ghettos, including setting their synagogues and places of business on fire. Counsel for Martin Luther 1543, but that is a practice paid off Hitler as truth. That's reality. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and if you have a Jewish related? It would be going to the phones momentarily. At first I was sent a link from a discussion at the Ligonier national conference 2017 national conference of Stephen Nichols and W Robert Godfrey were discussing whether Martin Luther was guilty of anti-Semitism and on the one hand, I appreciate them making a distinction between anti-Semitism and being anti-Jewish and out. In other words, it's not an ethnic thing Jews would be welcomed. In Luther's churches, but the it is a rejection of Judaism in that's the issue it's theological not ethnic. On the other hand, I would say there's a bit of a fine line, often between the two and you have to ask this question.

Okay, here are some Luther quotes the sun is never shown a more bloodthirsty people than they Jews who imagine that their God's people will been commissioned and commanded to murder and to slay the Gentiles that just anti-Jewish anti-Judaism or or is is a is it anti-Semitism that there's a book that I highly recommend by Eric Goodrich GR I TSC H. Martin Luther's anti-Semitism against his better judgment and some of the quotes in this, even those very familiar with the material. Some of the quotes were just staggering of grid says there's even a hint of racism Luther when he comment on the unsubstantiated rumor.

The Jews killed Christian children. This crime quotes still shines forth from their eyes and their skin.

We were at fault in not slaying them Jews agree to such a declaration cannot be limited to a specific historical context is timeless and means death to the Jews with each other by Luther, or Adolf Hitler. Moreover, Luther himself was willing to quote kill a blaspheming Jew quote I would slap his face, and if I could fling into the ground and my anger pierced him with my sword.

This is some of this is rhetoric.

So here Stephen Nichols explains in her Luther's favorable reaching out to his early writings are very favorable. He begins to think through this though in his later writings of the regiment really tips trips Luther up is is is on the Jews. Their testable laws and it's in that writing that Luther unleashes his rhetoric against the Jews and is very forceful is rhetoric that we need to say that he was an equal opportunity offender wasn't just that rhetoric is not just reserved for the Jews use the same rated for the papers for the Anabaptist phenomena. Christians are used for the Jews, but he was wrong spoke harshly.

I think he abused his influence that he had in speaking out. I think I think he abused his influence that he had in speaking harshly and saying a Jew should be killed for bidding rabbis to teach under penalty of death, and in using writing incendiary words that end up end up helping fuel fires in the Holocaust so we need say Luther was wrong and that but this is this is isn't necessarily anti-Semitism through the 20 century phenomena will then how would you put it if Luther hated the Jews as Jews ethnically and religiously.

How would you put back in its early version of anti-Semitism. What Luther was interested in was really following the lead of the apostle Paul in following the leading New Testament that don't don't blame Luther's anti-Semitism on Paul in the New Testament so Reese's it was that an ethnic motivation that prompted Luther this was a theological one. So the answer to this need to understand in this context, we should not give a free pass need to recognize is like surviving feet of clay.

Some of those instances was feet of clay, do in fact come through. Come on, is more than feet of clay is more serious and ugly than feet of clay, so the let let's let us not. Let us not downplay the ugliness of what he wrote.

The effects of what he wrote 866-34-TRUTH as we approach the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. Yeah, I think I need to write afresh on this okay so to clarify a question from a caller graces wondering why prayer is important is not on a regular calendar all depends on what county have a because it would not be a holiday for schoolchildren the way other days would be. It might not be on the calendar. It's on every Jewish calendar. All right Jesus, if you have if you have a web calendar and gives you options you want holidays on religious holidays. It'll be on there if you put it on so it is not as primary as young people a day of atonement or Passover.

Pesach is as primary as those, but it's absolutely Jewish holiday, and it is on many calendars. That being said, you'll find Easter and Christmas on calendars, but you won't find a lesser must find a lesser Christian holiday on calendars the same way with probe is a Jewish holiday, but it is not on the same level say as Passover and because of that may not make it onto calendar or kids would have time off from school because of it. Those should be the only reasons. Otherwise it's there. All right. Hope that helps. 8663 freight 7884 score Richmond Nowak of Richmond Virginia were going to Greensboro, North Carolina. William, thank you sir for calling the line of fire call from about 100 about Dr. Brown in Christ return.

When you are in rain on the other hand, the temple is to be restored. It is that that particular chemical basically supposed to be a like a symbolic amount will be like an actual temple but is it just symbolic of the law and the way things were called Christ was the ultimate atonement sacrifice can't see like a Temple sacrifice and that Dr. thing being reissued is so wonderful it would be like blood sacrifices and things like that Christ is already here and view absolutes. Let's look at the different possible ways of understanding this okay one would be one would be is a little template can be built second would be if it is built would be blood sacrifices. The third would be if it is built will be the significance of this blood sacrifices a traditional Jew has no problem with this because they are praying every day for the restoration of the temple and to offer the sacrifices they miss doing if they feel it's important they want to be able to obey that commandment and other commandments as well with every require a temple to have in order to observe so they are praying for these things and it's no problem or contradiction for them because they don't believe that the Messiah came with a once for all sacrifice. You can see from their viewpoint, no problem. The issues are that Ezekiel 40 through 48 don't seem to have the same dimensions as the that temple or Tabernacle as God instructed to be built. How does that work and then if the new covenant is instituted and God says I no longer remember your sins why their animal sacrifices, but for traditional Judaism. They look forward to and say this is a proof that your message is not true because the city was once for all sacrifice of what will they be blood sacrifices for that reason many Christians take. It is entirely spiritual. They say there will not be a literal physical temple.

It's entirely spiritual and it it's just imagery. Ezekiel 40 through 48 needs of the past is just spiritual imagery, talking about the presence of God on the earth but not the real temple problem is it seems the prophets were expecting real temple and their other passages as well that speak about future sacrifices so I believe it's best to say there will be a physical temple built in the Messiah returns he will rule and reign out of Jerusalem. And just as the sacrifices under the law. Look forward to the coming of the Messiah but themselves could not truly take away sins themselves could not truly change the interbeing of a person with a look forward to the Messiah. Now we have communion that looks back to his death on the cross that really does save us some changes that in the millennial kingdom will be animal sacrifices that will look back to what the Messiah did. They will not have any more power than the Old Testament sacrifices did, but there will be a constant remembrance of what he did on the cross died for sins now I'm not dogmatic about it because it's a future event and at these future events. It's often hard to know how they can unfold.

You know when when the Bible may talk about people attacking Jerusalem in a way on on writing courses that mean the literally be riding horses or was that just what was common then said is going to be an attack and that's the way they conveyed. So is it possible the prophet is using sacrifices and things as metaphors for for these spiritual issues. It could be. So William I believe will be a physical temple. It appears to me that there will likely be animal sacrifices that I'm not sure about what I do know is ultimate reasonably double point to the once for all, were of the Messiah's that's what we stand strongly on restful sort itself out here on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown for joining us on the freight 7884 stack of things here, by the way, the way if you live in North Carolina there has been a compromise so a repeal of some aspects of HB two in North Carolina. I'm scheduled to be on with Todd Starnes tonight on Fox talk radio at 8 o'clock Eastern standard Time, and we're going to be discussing this issue. Transgender issues I'm going to be in dialogue, debate with transgender activists that should be at 8 o'clock tonight and I've been on the run all day have not been able to stop at any length to see everything that's happened with the bill I I know that folks are unhappy on both sides of the aisle. It appears so this is just a harsh reality right now that were facing that will work through what I say we of those living here in the states those living in North Carolina will will work through one way or another and this is either way we keep preaching Jesus. Either way we keep reaching out.

Either way, we want those who identify as transgender to know the love of God and not to think that that we view them as you know the worst sinners in the world of the worst enemies in the world or anything like that at the same time the same time. We believe in basic privacy expectations. We believe in the importance of gender distinction and because of that.

These are issues that we will continue to discuss that. See, I'm rubber your glue Jewish telegraph Association Tel Aviv Andrew Tobin reporting March 26 Veronica Moss impose sanctions targeting US and Israel is Rose arch enemies apparently could wait until April Fools' Day on Sunday. Geopolitics got all her foods and turned upside down as they say in this country, or how food which is upside down, turned upside down.

Iran impose penalties on US firms forward with Israel and Hamas closed its border with the Jewish state stereotypically. Of course it's the F United States is reviewing the siphoning of Veronica Moss. So who's Thomas hurting when they closed border with the Jewish state because Israel brings humanitarian aid constantly into Gaza and if not for them exporting or importing weapons constantly and using the funds to try to destroy Jewish people and build tunnels underground to kidnap Jewish children Jewish soldiers on a non-you have open borders anyway just done with done with that black Zionist leader. This is from 10 days ago just getting to now on the auger minor Rachel from her black Zionist leader despite anti-Israel movement efforts vast majority of African-Americans support the Jewish state. This is to sunny Washington, a black Christian Zionist leader told the auger minor on Friday, so about 12 days, that despite the anti-Israel movement's best efforts, the vast majority of the African-American committee support the Jewish state was sunny Washington senior pastor for California's congregation of Zion, founder of the Institute of black solidarity with Israel and diversity outreach coordinate with Christian genetic for Israel is responding to endeavors such as Black history month in February, during which aunt during which anti-Palestinian activism was highlighted college campuses throughout the country. Only the intellectually lazy by enter into sexuality.

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All racial, class, or gender groups. Self-described is discriminated against.

Among these Blacks and Palestinians.

Most members of the black community attend church with air taught a biblical worldview of Israel of the Jewish people as God's chosen when they Blacks here. For example, that black lives matters had brought an anti-Israel position into their movement. They are paraphrase anger confused they don't get what one has to do with the other lushness of the pro-Israel students should remember that no community black and Hispanic or Jewish is monolithic and the hard left academic world involved in quote black Palestinian solidarity are not representative. The majority of the African-American population anti-Israel view is not true. It's bowl and smart people don't want that. Okay, so what he saying is this whole idea. Well African-Americans.

They side with African-Americans inside with Palestinians as passenger Preston like Americans repressed is nonsense� Make that generalization and in that you can now compare the situation. The Palestinians that the situation of African-Americans historically say no African-Americans high percentage. I believe in church then than Caucasian Americans than white Americans, far as I know it's still true. I think anything in church. They are they are getting there, getting a good exposure for biblical worldview through which it can be much more pro-Israel.

So good job pastor. I appreciate that and ambassador Nikki Haley. She continues to speak up against the UN's anti-Semitism she was at an anti-BDS conference which is boycott discrimination of the seas. With this compact boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel since she was at a conference opposing this. She says the effort to delegitimize Israel on campus UN is one and the same growth.

The effort to delegitimize the State of Israel being waged on college campuses in the anti-Israel obsession with the US are one and the same.

They both seek to deny Israel's right to exist there both efforts to intimidate her friends and embolden their enemies there both extensions of an ancient hatred. Good job Nikki Haley. She called the BDS movement, a movement away from truth and away from history, she slammed those who condemn Israel for human rights violations while ignoring the behavior of countries like Iran, North Korea and Syria quoted makes Apsley no sense and is no connection to any reasonable definition of justice. She also boasted of having passed anti-BDS legislation in South Carolina, first of its kind. The US when she was governor quote our state would not do business with people who traffic in hate all right hate out. I am real short on time.

There's a question from Daniel in Dallas today. What we don't have time to get to it now. Feel free to call in tomorrow but if I understand the question. Was there a day that God told the Jewish people to worship what specifically they were set apart the seventh day is holy and this was to be a day of rest from regular labor in the day.

Given over to the Lord so that is foundational to Judaism Sabbath observance the foundational Judaism and found in numerous texts in the tour with the giving of the Decalogue, in particular in Exodus 20, and Daniel dances with Deuteronomy 5 axis XX Deuteronomy 5 where it's laid out plainly there in terms of total obedience to set aside this day is holy to the Lord finding other pastors about the Sabbath and their other days in the calendar set aside. Where were you the fast, pray or fast, or don't go about your normal work that would be of course the Sabbath being the centerpiece of that right friends, remember just two more days. Two more days to join with us as torchbearers to support us in our Jewish outreach work. I think you can see the importance of it by God's grace got a wonderful Jewish research package were sending your way. As a thank you torchbearers all at the line of fire that will go forget to do it today or tomorrow, a bottom line. Let us make the message of you. She was so clear to Jewish people that he be the only stumbled like