Testimonies on the Life-Transforming Power of the Gospel

You better believe there is such a thing as ex-gay stage for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown, let me tell you one of the biggest things that makes us different than just talk radio or news talk radio or conservative talk radio. We point to the gospel.

We point to the gospel. We point to Jesus we say there is a better way.

We see the world is messed up. America is messed up.

But there is a better way. There is hope. Whatever struggles you have what ever problems America has, there is hope in the gospel this is Michael Brown. Welcome to the broadcast. Today we want to point you in the way of hope relational sexual brokenness can be healed.

There can be deliverance, there can be repentance there can be freedom there can be new life. If you have a question for my guests and about to introduce to you 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 87884 Gary and Melissa Ingram lead love and truth network started in 2013, after more than 12 years of ministering to individuals and communities dealing with relational and sexual struggles. They were married in 2007 September 2007 and have two sons want to be practical.

We want to be hope filled today on the broadcast. Yes, the world around us is messed up bigger yes there is a solution to every problem in the gospel. Gary and Melissa, welcome to the broadcast. Thank you so much Michael. Great to be with you.

You there. Melissa yeah doing very very well hate first tell us about love and Truth Network and then I want to hear your own stories and I got a bunch of specific questions for you, but Gary give me an overview of love and Truth Network church that we start 11 Truth Network after I would not doubt that a church about 12 years of pastoral role in recognizing that is great at the church event the many areas. The church does not do a very good job in dealing with sexual brokenness across the board, whether heterosexual pornography, adultery, fornication, or certainly in the area of LGBT struggle and stowed out. We formed 11 Truth Network and you said back in 2013 and then more recently I year ago I was at to be the director of another organization called transforming congregation, which is essentially identical to 11 Truth Network but is focus within the United Methodist church taught it and then listen your own background your National certified Counselor and licensed in New York State as a mental health counselor. How does that play in with the larger calling of love and Truth Network well it really on kaizen in a great way our vision is really to quit Christian leaders to develop transformational environment for the majority of Christian dealing with some form of sexual and relational brokenness and a lot of time there are common factors that can contribute to to that broken and so, having been trained as a counselor and I'm specifically looking at early childhood relationship and how the can continue to affect us today are often we can bring that information and tie it into how God designed us developmentally to grow, to grow up in a family and Kyle had truly been a great balance of more pastoral counseling from Gary's point of view and professional counseling for my point of view. I got Brown go ahead if I could quickly say what Melissa was just sharing a we really believe that one aspect of the church is very powerful as the church can really be the body of Christ to really be a second chance at family as though where there's been develop mental issues where there's been a deprivation or law, neglect, rejection and abandonment of youth. Any other thing growing up. The church is really a part of its role in it to.

It is to be able to come in here for Alice's love and care for your people and gotten really great ceiling even for half very effectively right and that's that's what we should be doing friends. Jesus came to heal the brokenhearted typical sinners to repentance is who we are, for the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown, the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown one thing for us to say Jackie was was wrong. We don't agree with transgender activism is a real problem with pornography. It's it's it's one thing for us to identify problems.

It's another thing for us to offer gospel-based solutions to these problems. Okay, someone in our church is struggling with pornography. Someone in our churches struggling with gender identity confusion. Someone in our churches struggling with same-sex attraction, we do with answers. Many times pastors and leaders struggle because these are new situations. Once they feel they can't relate to. On the one hand same God same gospel same truth sets people free on the other hand, there are people gifted their own background their own calling that are specialists that can help equip the church I'm speaking today with Gary and Melissa Ingram they lead love and Truth Network serving individuals and serving churches. If you have a question for them will get some calls.

Probably 8663 for 87884 so Gary let's just start with your own personal story and something that makes you uniquely equipped to minister to others who struggle.

What's your own story in terms of dealing with unwanted same-sex attraction. Sure, even though I grew up in a Christian home and heard a lot of truth it was a pretty rural setting and legalistic church and home-based. My parents had a lot of their own brokenness that they never worked out and didn't know that They Everyday Ave., Freeman doing that is that they brought a lot of that into the home, obviously, and in raising their children on the youngest of five and just jump in the time of brokenness among your mom and dad. Some folks understand and immediately. Some say what's what's the time of what we mean will come brokenness to the bring were absolutely semi-my mom father died when she was five or six years old, and unexpectedly, and they were kind of a welfare studying many many many years ago and I and and just little connection with her own mom and and just felt very alone and isolated and that my dad mom left the family and her kids and her husband when he was about five and he and his siblings were sort of farmed out to different members of the family that really did want them but they took them to stay.help his father to get done, you know, back on his feet again, but they were out there with different family members for probably a year or more, and then he remarried his dad remarried it. They had their own children as though it was just they both experienced a lot of rejection growing up a lot of lack of of affectionate love and and so again they they found each other and they were kind of each other's rescue in many respects, and they were good people, but just didn't understand really like it and understand our role as a father is being much more than providing a roof over your head" in your back and put on the table. He didn't have any understanding of emotion, the need for emotional connection, particularly with me and and so I have three older brothers one older sister and my older brothers were old enough that they played with their friends then and didn't really want me around. Understandably, and my my dad again formed really little connection with me privately meet remain bonded with my mom and my older sister and then it cool a church. I would the source of a lot of bullying by other boys. If I learned pretty quickly what I what I've heard it all that's needed is the only safe place for me is in the world of girl though.

Throughout my developmental years I really marinated and effeminate, and have kept all around me and for people to say that that had no impact on the development of many God gives us a longing is boys to bond with our fathers and entity to gain nurturant strength from them and to say that there is no impact of all that I did experience on the development of same-sex attraction would be to me is ridiculous. I was also exposed to pornography hard-core porn by some older neighborhood boys at the Madera homosexual behavior at the age of five or six years old so a lot of stuff think that in really early. I lack a connection with my dad for sure, and it just a really put me on a trajectory of of isolation, shame, and an end and really lead on the pathway of that hunger for mail love and affection that became specialized. So when you came to this realization that you are attracted to other men set something that you said okay wonderful I should explore this results in the terrified you.

I was horrible I when I realized that it was it with you. I would have the terrible realization I don't remember now it came to me early on that I don't remember the specifics about it.

But I do remember just being chilled and and hating the fact that I felt differently than other boys. I wanted to to experience what you know. Down the road, but family would look like. I wanted to be to be attracted to girls like boys around me. Obviously, where I think that's where I first settled it like becoming different about me is I don't I don't feel the same way as is the is my my guy peers in the gym class or whatever.

Not that they lived it out very well pretty raunchy but about. I knew there is something different. At that point and and it really separated me from my peers. Now Melissa you know Gary this point, but you have counseled many people, families, individuals how common is Gary story in terms of the upbringing and the relationships and how things develop. As this is cut story common I would say it's very common that usually ended and I also cannot about cleantech background but also a lot of heterosexual brokenness and so that benefactor of a point of disconnect between the same gender parents and same gender peers is very very common and knows that that tend to do later struggle with with same-sex attraction. It's not in every case but it's in a lot of cases. And so for me, you know, I sort of watched my parents marriage which was broken in the sense that they were very distant from one another. My father was very absent. He didn't want to be around my mother and I just viewed her as weak and passive in a victim and I wanted nothing to do with her.

I made a vow that I would never be like her because I*trapped and now and I had no idea that I was basically detaching firm. The feminine, and that really played out in terms of just becoming more masculine and plantar college and in different things so yeah definitely family plays a big big role in the development of a contraction and then also as Gary mentioned, I think it early sexual abuse, and exposure to pornography. Also it common, and what point did you realize that you are attracted to the same-sex and college earn. I had been engaged to a guy in my third experience relationship and I was just really dissatisfied. I was empty and depressed and and I was sort of in a crowd that was very open-minded and it was sort of suggested now. Hey you now would you ever consider that a particular female friend and down and really opened the door like an and so I just began a period of questioning and searching.

You know my junior year of college and my senior year of college I entered a lesbian relationship and that was pretty powerful and I thought this is what I've been looking for my whole life and that really I think Into that unmet need that for feminine love from my mother didn't even realize I needed her, but I deftly felt like I needed this woman in order to be a whole person. For me it was was later but I can see some of the final. I don't remember struggling with attraction to girls from an early age. I probably in junior high, high school I did start to feel a little different. I think I was definitely more tomboyish, more masculine than some of the other girls and and part of that had to do with you. My older brother was physically abusive and somewhat actually and so he would make comments about my body and I learned very quickly that it wasn't safe and again that watching my mom and yeah no I just really think I realized that the time I just didn't want to be feminine or female until Landon Frank Hatch from her differences as you listen to these two stories you see how different they are in terms of sexual romantic attraction development. These things have to happen but but that's that is a a picture of of America is a picture of the world, meaning is not just a little category on same-sex attractiveness was gayer. This was Lisbeth different people at different times in their lives have different experiences different people through these experiences can now walk into things they wouldn't have walked into before. But what's common is that there's something that's going wrong somewhere along the line, relationally, there could be abuse something else happening and he contributes then to these desires or feeds into them, or even opens the door to them. The good news is were talking to a happily married couple man and woman join the Lord enjoying their relationship, raising their sons. Jesus transforms we come back talk about how that transformation happened in each of their lives. We will file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown talking today with Gary and him come out of backgrounds of sexual sin, sexual brokenness, same-sex relationships, they offer counseling hope ministry to the church. If you have a question for guests will take some calls later 866-34-TRUTH 87884 Gary getting back to you. Did you then give yourself over to to a homosexual lifestyle. In terms of relationships and this became part of your life really good.

I battled it for a long time.

I I bounced around from public-school decorative gold homeschooling and went to a local Christian Bible college and then left there after about a year and 1/2 and I just had it with God, with the church but Christianity I need to. The point I would say I grew to hate the church and God, and because I felt like I been praying and praying and praying and thinking and thinking and speaking and it just felt like there was nothing there.

The church didn't know what to tell me I thought God did nothing that was doing nothing to help me and so so II left and I I went off I want to becoming getting jacket with a gay bar becoming a bartender at a gay bar and and it felt euphoric for a while like look that it felt like is what I'm looking for my whole life. I just bought into the whole. This is the way I was made. Scenario art or maybe the cosmic screwup.

This is who I am and that after a couple of years I really began to feel in my early 20s I began to feel it might get a full level like I was an old man, yet I I went into this morning to find Mr. right and it was anything but that.

I've been with me people I couldn't even name it and it was never my desire is not what I wanted, but that the way it it ended up as is often the story for so many.

Not everyone to so many. So when you see so many your in the church world you are in the heterosexual community Council. Lots of people would you say generally speaking, there is lack a base of less stability and wholeness in homosexual relations than heterosexual relations. Oh yeah, absolutely any one of the things that that drive really crazy is to to have been there and I know so many people that have as well and you know today you would think, based on a lot of the communication and end of the dues are popular media that nearly every gay identified man and woman had been partnered. It will be harder for the same with the same person for the rest of your life and certainly in the male population, particularly while that does happen if the really rare and even where that does happen. Often times there is more often than not. Anecdotally at least, I believe there is from those that I know there is an open relationship with her having sex with multiple LPL even though there together so yeah there's very little instability when it comes to that. By comparison to the heterosexual community right again. We know that even even some open sharing from from the homosexual community so Melissa, when did you hit bottom in your own life. Well, you know, it really was the grace of God, I mentioned before the break. I got involved in a lesbian relationship. My senior year of college and she quickly dumped me and I had already been feeling a stirring of really lacking something in my relationship with God.

So I was the religious cannot only, and I was involved with. You know a student ministry center on campus and so the Lord really just use that breakup to bring me to to the end of myself. I was devastated and I don't think it was really about her.

It was as if the weight of all of my broken relationships, came crashing down on me and it was about a month later, I am an identical twin sister and she got saved through inter-varsity Christian Fellowship and she invited me to the mission conference and I gave my life to Christ like. At the end of December of that same year, so it was. I'm just so grateful that I didn't have a long. Her and that God rescued me early, you know early enough and yet so it's pretty cool.

You know what I remember praying this prayer whatever and down and really what was powerful about that was confessing that I and E into in believing that this is who I was. Gotta create me a lesbian and also my idolatry really which was which was making this woman the center of my life instead of God. And so that was that was really powerful but I also recognize that just surrendering to Jesus while awesome. I knew that I had a lot of work to do so II mean I do believe the Lord gave me determine early on that I can and need extra help in in beginning to change my thought pattern arm about learning about women because I really started looking at everybody. I met really through this blend of sexually or what what you know. Are they attracted to me.

My attracted to them. That kind of thing so I knew I after Leon you know okay what I do now. At the time they didn't have a lot of answers but maybe we'll get into little bit about what was helpful. Yeah, absolutely.

But I think one of the biggest things that you said this and got help you to realize what is the beginning that you wrongly identified that you sought the God who created you to be same-sex attracted and that that's who you were supposed to recognizing that that's not who you were in the sun. How God created us from everything I understand half of the battle right there Gary, we just got about two minutes before the break, but how is it that God brought you to himself why would I was driving on the interstate and I'm angry with God because he had messed up my knew he had intervened and backed up my plans are partying for a long weekend though. I driving back home and for some reason I popped in a Christian CD or tape and I and God gave me this window clarity and and took my my very very hard heart callous heart and a gated window of opportunity to actually feel something the Lyrica struck my heart and I began Bob and Diane ablated broke down and even though I pray the sinners prayer you know about the guys report out growing up there was no surrender and it finally you know my my coming to Christ was really about going over to New Jersey turned on Turnpike I can. I can see were outgoing and they got a few hours left to me.

You can have me and that really was the beginning of about this change and medical and endo- shingles that we say is we still deal with them level the things like attraction are etiquette about. That is, but it is a rule or live any longer and are as you drop that is big deal, everybody deal with attraction and desires that are contrary to God's will is what we do with those that are we going to really surrender those to the Lordship of Christ exactly we want to unpack some of these things. Gary looser able to stay on the listen to the second half of the South. One.

Unpack some of these things, but take away a few things. Everybody's broken everybody's fallen, everybody needs a Redeemer. Everyone has desires and attractions. Contrary to God's will and everyone can choose to identify with those attractions or do identify with who I am in Jesus and in doing so we overcome and we live godly transformed lives that are whole and it can make others to find out more about Gary Lewis Ingram what they do churches. Individuals go to love and truth, AMD's love and TruthNetwork.com.

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Their ministry love and truth network. So Gary, when you and Melissa got married. So this was back in 2007 CB married going on 10 years now, you would season.

Would you say that you had the same common problems and adjustments to make. As other couples getting married would you say because you came out of same-sex attraction that you had a lot of different different issues to deal with them and you begin to counsel. Lots of people what's what your analysis. I think that we had the same issues that many people need to deal with, but few people actually do and that I say we had some additional issue, though it looked indicated yet he spent a lot less time in in about minute of that I did it all sexuality and in the community and so and and I wrestled from very very very early age so I there was a lot more epic adjustment for me, and regard to our relationship and fears about my going to be able to really meet Melissa need I wanted things we talk a lot about is the reality of God's image and octave male and female editors of the really talk about that sufficiently, by a long shot were not just about to be kind, as human beings to one another, were supposed to be living out what is a me to be a man made in God's image and a woman maybe got them edged toward one another, and so I think that in many respects we we had a lot more to deal with. I think in some way, as well as the other couple but because we were forced to really look at our issues and and we we went through some pretty brutal premarital counseling because we were willing to put it all the table and after Castro with a at with it and Joe for getting off on a good start though. I think we actually had a leg up in our in our relationship because of all the work we needed to do and all of the understanding we needed to gain from our brokenness and what God was redeeming us from that.

A lot of people even bother to consider their going into marriage is recognizing the pitfalls you went through six more brutal premarital counseling but that that's a lot of wisdom involved in it and Melissa if someone says she will, because really happily married, like a normal couple. Raise your sons together because you know all the skeptics of the critics out there and you guys just live down the aisle at all this. So speak to them freely. Yeah well honestly we mean when we speak publicly, I know what people are really wondering if they have a good sex life having sex did actually enjoy it and I can say wholeheartedly.

Yes, how way. I don't think like a normal couple would be sure anything you would be shocked but I did a lot of question would be shocked at how many Christian couples are not having sex regularly and or one or both partners are not enjoying so I would say we are happily married.

We have a great sex life, we do have challenges like communication, were both obviously in ministry and so we have a hard time. I'm finding Stanley turning her finding time together. Gary travel a lot for love and Truth Network and and things like that but I would say and again I think this goes back to what Gary I referenced earlier and that God is made up in his image and female God has done a transformational work in my my identity as a woman made in his image and tell me being married to Gary is about so much more than just not being married to a woman. I mean, it really is an outward evidence of an internal reality. Now the other thing we often held the sauce over the sauce got a break is the other so you want to share friends listening. I know love you send me do this. Yes he can. He does all the time he does it all the time you some keys transformation. We come back. It's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael back friends cast went out more about my guess Gary Lewis Ingram go to love and truth. It's billed and the love and Truth Network work.calm when out more about their ministry who they are and what they do solicit right before the break you are about to get to another important point. We had to cut you off so back to you. Yeah well off on here concerned that that healing from homosexuality, or gender identity confusion. That means I have to get married and we would say no that doesn't and impact on often people have been counseled erroneously to get married in hopes of fixing their same-sex attraction right he would say no way of snaring a stressful positive change, but the change and so you know Gary and I had also done work emotionally and spiritually.

Even before we met each other and and we have participate in different participated in different program kit to begin working on our issues, and growing in Christ and things like that. Well marriage, whether heterosexual or or whatever. It can be pretty messed up so it didn't outward evidence of inward transformation that is certainly true for me. I wouldn't say that that marriage is the only or have to be the only goal for those walking in that process so we don't want to make the mistake but say guy like Gary comes to faith. He's been in same-sex relationships is been sexually active homosexual relationships, now you get saved you think while we got this down the church.

She's 19.

She's beautiful.

She loves the Lord. We should, hook them up to cure him. You know that those things are disastrous, or to try to put pressure on you that you have to be heterosexual supposed to go to school you holiness and that services can be worked out. So rather than just fighting the desire of him. I can think this like I think this is growing in Jesus growing in his image going holiness experiencing repentance and the notices can be addressed with the resist brokenness of these to be addressed revealed the care you mentioned that we don't talk enough about male female distinctions gift things explained that more fully what we need to understand as a church about being created by God in his image, male and female. Well, somewhere along the line to the fact that God is establishing and putting his image in the beginning of the foundation of creating all things, so it obviously there is of great importance and the fact that the enemy Satan wanted to be like God and and the closest that any of us have ever heard� That is the reality that there's one species that actually contain his image and into the enemy. You know, I think a lot of what's going on with homosexuality and transgender them and all that heterosexual stuff and is well is it really is an identity crisis that that the transcend the LGBT issue and edit it really goes a good go to the heart of the dismantling of gender in our culture because it's within gender that we contain the image of God work and were meant to live it out very differently.

We it's of equal value in male and female, and the church historically has not done a good job about is that a lot of misogyny, a lot of devaluing of the feminine and and elevating of the masculine and five at the end you feel feminism kinda rose up in that shot, way beyond what was in my opinion, what was healthy. We have the were kind of going on, often between male and female and and and then there's all hyper saying that but I do cry for equality is a cry for saying that, rather than a recognition that that a woman best place in terms of living out the image of God is to do it.

As God created her to do it not as a man is supposed to do it and so it when we can come together as a single individual brothers and sisters in Christ and recognize the good of the image of God in the other and that does not happen in your typical churches and and and then in our marriages recognize the good of the other blessed call it out cooperate with you do with that that that is so much more transcendent. The much more powerful in developing deep and abiding relationship and people living into the fullness of what is a me to be a follower of Jesus Christ then then when we leave that piece out of the equation.

It was doubly trying to be better human being that makes that you deftly make sense and again it's the blurring of distinctions. It's the war on gender. I want to come to that the bid some transgender related issues for Melissa in a culture now which we live, which not only declares war on gender, but then is saturated with pornography and saturated with everything being sexualized to the point that you have you have guys that are 20 years old that can't perform without Viagra because they're so used to pornography you have. Marriage is falling apart because because of breakdowns in sexual relationship, and a lot of it to pornography.

What are some things if you are teaching the church about healthy sexuality about how men and women are supposed to relate to each other.

We we know what the problem is what are some of the healthy solutions. The biblically-based solutions that you would present to the church.

Great question. I think it's important to first of all we have to unplug from technology and and so in order to actually foster real relationship so you know that the younger generation for an hour talking millennial in a 20 something they are used to having everything quick and fast and at their fingertips until even being able to work at relating to another human being.

It does not come easy. A lot of them have grown up in front of the TV in front of the computer and so their email lacking the most basic basic skills and then the message of the church need to really shift from just don't do it. Meaning don't have facts and let's not talk about it anymore. Just don't do it.

We really need to talk about how actually God created sex and and and that was his design and it is very good and here's why we need to save it for marriage and and really talk about sex in in an overall context of marriage and family and how good it is and so that that we don't just immediately associate Shane with sex heterosexual growing up in church, they just been taught. Don't do it don't do it don't do it and then you get married and all of a sudden it's okay and they're like oh I can't downshift that fat is your mentioning all I got good neck. The incidence of pornography, even among women, now increasing or showing upwards of 30% of women are involved in pornography online and and that may take a different look a little differently. For them it may be more chat room for a base but really getting out of virtual reality and end to to relate to other individuals would be where I would where I would start Gary you want to get to that yeah absolutely we we talk a lot about with with leadership teams and pastors about the desperate need.

Frankly, that the underpinning of sexual brokenness is largely relational, and even for men. I only for women but even for men and and what we've seen is that most of us in the church are are disconnected from one another, even within groups that are trying to be more connected to men's groups or women's groups or whatever so often, those are those stay on the surface or they're doing a Bible study that rather than the Bible study Billy driving down and helping them go deeper if it's something they used to hide behind to gain more intellectual knowledge that they're not going to apply anyway and and so it it really is essential that we begin to develop in our relationship and and where I wanted to blame everybody for my spiritual condition. Growing up, and for much of my 20s looking at other people in the church is failing in yada yada yada that that was true, but I have to take responsibility for my spiritual well-being. So I'm going to go out on to look for guys that want to go deeper in their relationship with Jesus. I want to look for guys that are willing to be raw and honest about their sexual and emotional and relational struggle, and together to commiserate but together we are going to utilize our time together to become better sons of God, husband to our wives.friends one another so we need a band of brothers that did that knows everything about us and that where really vulnerable with it yesterday.

The band of sisters and it so unusual and so rare. Unfortunately, to find that that that happening in the context of the church. That's the place we need to go back to and really work to develop those out of relationships to fill in the gaps in the emotional hungers that we viewed pornography and sexual offender. The counterfeit for verse that says that all second Timothy 222 so Caesar remember 2222 second Timothy 222 the twofold counsel first flee flee the youthful passions passions and pursue righteousness, faith and love and peace: along with those called Lord to her we come back in six minutes. Just one address issues having to do gender identity confusion with. I guess Gary Lewis Ingram love and Truth Network light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown line of fire by calling 86630. Jim is Dr. Michael Brown. Many of you know my own story and calling although God called me, 2004 to begin to address some to do with LGBT activist Mitt is no intersection with my life.

Previously, I don't come out of homosexuality and the result was same-sex attraction had a particular burden to focus on ministering to those in the LGBT community.

It was the activism that got my attention in 2004 God begin to break my heart for the people. So the word we have followed all these years does reach out and resist because the people with compassion as the agenda was courage. I guess Gary Lewis Ingram who lead love and truth network are helping us, especially on the reach out port today with your own powerful testimonies to find out more about them go love and true spell and the love and Truth Network DOS Tom find out about them coming to minister your church are helping individuals in need like this is a massive subject, but we can only touch on it today.

The rise of transgender awareness, not just from the Bruce Caitlin Jenner's of the world now shows for years back with little children. I was on a show with Tyra Banks years back with a brother, little children, seven, eight years old. This is Johnny who is now Jane and people crying and parents hugging each other and all of this, we recognize your struggles for deep recognizer.

Some people who were biologically chromosomal. He intersects something different were talking now about those who were biologically chromosomal. You male or female. If they're convinced that their trap to their own bodies and they will say no know their brains are different or something it's actually different about them. This is becoming increasingly prevalent.

What words of wisdom would you have and you can each way and if you desire. We've got a limited time to explore giant issue, but what can you say about the rise of this what you say about how we address these issues as a church is specifically and got a mom and dad a three-year-old boy who polices a girl so first why we sing such a rise in this and second any words of wisdom for family struggling. I think what you is that one of the main thing feeding into that I believe is the long-standing issue of fatherlessness in our country. A lot of divorce happening inside the church and outside the church, but a lot of dad that have left the family or abandoned it, as well as those who are pregnant but they are checked out into their own sexual addiction or some other thing, or workaholism or whatever and and often thinking that kind of it's amount is role to raise a kid and and not realizing what a vital role of father plays in in both the son and the daughters then of well-being and who they are an image bearing gender being and and so I think a lot of what were thing is the result of generation upon generation of that kind of absinthe condition of dad is a part of the solution for that would be a big part would be father's beginning to really get involved in in there both their sons and their daughters live to really be paying attention to what they're drawn to cute cannot shame their son or their daughter if they are showing signs of interest and other thing giving them space to be thought to be baby is a boy artistic and creative without shaming that, but where their staying tendency toward gravitating to the other gender, or those kind of like I think that just need to really come alongside and be good healthy boundaries and end bumpers like a bowling alley and and that the dad take a real interest and takes time to be with them in that process through the long haul, Melissa yes and I I would say in total agreement with that. That we want to be affirming our children very young in the goodness of being born of being created as a girl or boy according to their biological gender. And so, as you mentioned, there are rarer time when someone is actually born intersects by Kenneth the rare instance. Instead, I think were seeing parents who really car leading up to the child to decide and I don't know about you but you know any.

Most days my five-year-old is running around pretending to be a panda panda bear.

Locate but yeah but at the end of the day. You know he's a boy and a parent and he needs to do you know to be okay with that and I don't mean to make light of a very. Patient and I want to encourage Christians, especially to not have easy answers.

I mean, whether that's a transgender struggles or even on same-sex attraction that it so important to listen to the person sorry to listen to the family and then to respond with compassion and truth and to get educated and have lots of good resources out there now? Effective on transgender them anymore. But there's more out there now yeah around. There's also the reality that Kenny get their wet men and end of things that often times parents are allowing their girth are not even realizing. Often times, the stuff the kids are watching that are supposed to be age-appropriate rash that that that that we would never let our kids watch that is that supposedly age-appropriate but is very confusing when it comes to gender were very confusing when it comes to even disrespecting male characters and and a variety things out there that we we don't even let our kids watch or engage in think often times even Christian parent are allowing your kids have a steady diet of and are not realizing their forming and I and identification with that character. Maybe the other gender. If not an attraction like a healthy attraction if that identification of I want to be out this person right I wanted like to think that they like and an applicant to when you when you have a day after day week after week, month after month that he gets to really solidify an end and take on some important thought process in a child mine absolutely and friends. We are literally out of time with this is why you need to consider having Gary Melissa, minister to church to equipping teaching help with specific situations.

The website again. Love and TruthNetwork.com. You can find out more about Gary Melissa. What they do, who they are.

The ministry that they have, but I want everyone to have this take away there is hope for new life transformation homeless in Jesus for every human being listen Gary Melissa. Keep up the great work through so much resistance for the good you do, but it's needed in God's blessings on you. Thanks for joining us down. All right.

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He been on a chain gang at throne the trunk of a car to be killed. And all this stuff in and give God just worked in his life.

Amazingly, I thought, wow that is sent out another guy and he had a nickname and his nickname was because he was such a troublemaker as a kid I thought how these people really changed now is with the pastor old year or two ago, a leading pastor of a respected church and find out that used to be a heroin addict can use serious people hear my story my testimony, Jesus really changes lives. That's what I want to tell you, Jesus really changes lives.

This is Michael Brown you're listening to the line of fire and in a moment I'm going to introduce to you John Steigerwald of known John for over 30 years. He was a student of mine at a Bible college write-off on Long Island back in the 80s early to mid 80s and he's doing something right now with the with a special program for teenagers 14 boys struggling with drugs and other life controlling problems. It's amazing calling an amazing program and in what I want you to know is that there are people right now that you're praying for me of your own Kidron grandkid. Maybe someone else close to using them in there so far from God.

They are so lost. You just you still want to die. You still want to drive a drug overdose or in a gang shootout you just hoping they will spend the rest of their lives in jail what God for the purpose for them guys is a purpose. Where were they could be a world changer were they could be helping many people with that young lady who struggling so much now that that she could she be an amazing homeschool mom are great soul in her neighborhood that that young man is so lost. Now he could be a missionary. One day you be a business leader you don't know you don't know what these laws could become sometimes you think I'd I don't know what to do.

Might my kid needs to be a full-time, program on the where to send them there there in school they need to be in school, but they need a place where they can really have hope and in mentoring, discipleship, and such places exist might say, look, I know there's a team challenge for for guys, you know, maybe 20 years older ladies female teen challenge program and you are bound by drugs or alcohol or other things and you go there live with these others, but what would you give the kids 14, 15 good good news for you today I want to share that with you.

We come back on the speak with John Steigerwald is been a pastor for years and now he is leaving the North Carolina boys Academy which is a ministry of teen challenge, but for voice 866348784 if you have questions all the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, we are focused background to the director of this program. John Steigerwald, but getting to know your car. We have a minute, you've got a young person, a boy teenager who struggling through drugs, alcohol, you need to get them in the program full-time Christian program with school, with transformation through the gospel just got this down and see boys Academy.org and see boys Academy.org the North Carolina boys Academy is directed by John Steigerwald married 30 years is for kids with John. I knew you before you were married.

You are just a student of mine to Christ for the nation assisted to the biblical studies on Long Island yeah Mike that was 30 years ago my good stucco implies it's it's it's a 30 because yeah you for your married when you when you first came. There's a student amazing Becton 1983, 1984. If I think that's when you got there Chris exactly that only Brooke Long Island yeah not the Johnna I want to focus on the Academy but there's an amazing story that your partner.

Some go tell it really quickly graduated from school you took over little church called lambs Chapel way out on Easter Long Island and you were going to be showing a teaching series was by Dr. Dobson on the family. It sure was a focus on the family and turn your heart toward home with and will even show that assure the public school, summer school district and so we want to create an environment where people come to the community and learn how to be effective as as parents and this this school had previously shown things different religious aspects are New Age whenever when you can show these because it was Christian-based of the school said no correct that that's actually corrected had every other conceivable organization, use the school for other purposes. And when we came to shove the series they did lift a lot of questions regarding the content of the film because it was faith-based Christian-based. They do not affect alright so this then was taken to court. Friends of ours returns on Long Island. They took as far as they could. They then turned it over to the ACL J.

Jay Sekulow, it ended up getting to the Supreme Court and what was the official name lambs Chapel versus lambs Chapel.federal versus emerges Board of Education and so what was really important and what is a vote 90's unfavorable web stuff and how many people were in the congregation at that point. Oh, Mike. It was a small current dish I would say less than 100, certainly less than 100 and isn't that amazing God uses someone fresh out of Bible school with a little church way out on Long Island. The sense of getting to Supreme Court so would set a precedent for the nation 90 decision John since then you have pastor in Toccoa, Georgia. You been an associate pastor in Virginia and you also for four years, pioneered teen challenge center for men in Kingston Jamaica that was 1997, 2001 that was those a pretty rough assignment wasn't yeah it was a no Mike we moved to a Jamaican Kingston with my wife, reported things that happened happened to be your customer capital of the world. It has more murders per per capita than anywhere in the world and in recent got going to go there and help people that were addicted to drugs and alcohol unit working with a lot of deportees and establish the program in Kingston and now it actually it's got to be their 20th anniversary this year.

20 years ago we did that, while amazing apps absolutely amazing right so you then pastoring in Virginia and God gives you this burden that you need to to found this boys Academy in North Carolina. With this burden come from, how does this grow in your heart you know Mike I was pastoring for a number of years in the Virginia like like you mentioned that a great church, the starcrossed community church and I just I just sense that no guy was restoring the nest and something really began to have a habit I was looking up real early morning about 2 o'clock in the morning interest. I wanted to real season of prayer and also at that time I went to visit my dad down in Florida and he was yet a short time to live, so I was making it a priority in our relationship just to just to be with him and it just so happened that I stayed at a teen challenge unless a program in Vero Beach and I know I preached I preached at that that that there Chapel service and it was adolescent boys not work with with adult men, but men, some just stirred me deeply and I didn't know at that time the guy was really planting seeds within my heart when I was there at the adolescent program. It was about a month later, direct, prayer just sensed his calling to go into establish a center in North Carolina and I heard that voice before at her that direction. It's what led us to to Jamaica in Kingston and you know I should've my wife and we began to pray and seek the heart of God and can take steps in. He began to open doors and here we are.

You or years later with the program here located in Conover North Carolina like to increase their 20 students this year will have 12 graduates were total of about 22 graduate three opened, I want to give some of the details paint a picture of what happens there but the voice of God. I remember when you were student that God really would speak to and lead you even had some prophetic dreams and things like that.

Do remember when he sent you to go to a rock concert and still Stony Brook area to preach the gospel. I remember a lot of things, but for some reason I am drawing a blank.

Your book I ever go to university's armor going to the colleges and and standing outside the philosophy departments and having conversations with students that were coming out, but I think I went to a concert or some type of event and yes it was the student union.

I think, and that the time what that things I mean I think there was some hostility towards the gospel. Not sure from this assistance. If you get your mind to join. It often happens that I have to finish people stories for them. But it was one with the equipment at that the equipment stop working.

The guys just walked off the stage and God sent you there with a message.

Anyhow, I remember you come back to this time, but I do remember skews me out how you you were led by God and how you bold witness and I knew the God's hand would would be on you for these purposes, but again in the journey. Whoever saw this particular aspect of calling so went when you felt to get this piece of property of Telus about the property. The setting and and how God worked it out for you even get this to start yet so we we we we felt what to North Carolina was very primitive the property and I thought we be somewhere, so the import of of of of 40 on the northern part of Lake Norman there and we started praying and actually had a business plan drawn up a team in planning to start sticking her garden and having conversations with churches throughout the community is one pastor that I share the vision with and he really felt compelled to to to join us in the partnership and he directed us to this the property on Lake Hickory formerly was owned by the Ocala Baptist and prior to that it was the Duke Power executive leadership training camp and so I asked him you know is it is it south or north of 40 and he said that, I think it's north of 40.

So in my brilliant thought I said thank you very much and colleges dismissed it because my plan was, you know, we need to be south of 40, but about a few days later. I just couldn't get this prompt prompted to check it out, and of which I did and then we saw the property went up there and had some people come with me and is a magnificent 30 acre property with three parcels I had 15 structures on it and can't Baptist convention was selling it and we entered into a conversation with them and actually came to some terms were the regular some runway to open the Academy God stepped in and through the generosity of some people were able to meet some of the targets that they had offered us and been going ever since right so the nature of the program.

We discussed about what they want before we get into that got about a minute before the break. What kind of kids are there right now. Okay, so we work with youth ages 13 to 17 their young men who have had some serious experimentation with drugs or alcohol or addiction. Some of them have behavioral issues but all have in common is that there just to discover a really damage relationship with their family summer single civil her mom some more. You know mom and dad, but but when they call us at the end of the rope and trotted to try to rescue their son from a pet with destruction and so when they call us and we we have conversations with them and you know they usually decide within a business, and their son here where 15 month programs is a really big commitment but when you begin to think about just the scope of life 15 months is really only a start to hopefully some solid godly foundations in their life. Yes, that's absolutely sense if you're listening.

He said whoa this is this is me this is my family. This is my son. Here's the website and see boys Academy.org and see his North Carolina and see boys Academy.org we come back we'll find out what they do for these kids. Some of the results they are the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, drugs, alcohol.

This is for teenage boys 13 to 17 families at the end of their rope sending the boys for 15 month program 20 kids enrolled currently and John were talking about the beautiful setting there in the calling of God to be there, but I imagine some of these kids arrive, and there is anyplace in the world they want to be but not there, and they're full of rebellion anger in their still struggling with addictions, so you must have some real challenges on your hands of the area we redo my canoe when young man comes here against their will. You mom and dad either drive them here or they hire service to bring them here they get here once they find out the 15 month program. You can imagine that they're very angry and so we have a process that we bring them through. We have a physical training process redo with their their physical energy we try to try to help them process their anger little bit and then we get them into the routine of the program I'm in the program starts at 545 in the morning.

Very structured Agosto 830 at night. There focus and are challenged. We have lots of activities for them and you know they're going to school and plus were also helping them develop of godly character and and how many men are there working with you. So our staff right now we have a staff of about 27 includes about 11 full-time folks as well as volunteers from the community units are pretty big operation when it comes to dealing with 20 students. Plus we have parent workshops parents in order to units and their son here need to agree to attend at least five workshops.

Would you be five weekends so we can work with them and help them in their in their process to so this is this is really comprehensive and I want to break down the three stages of 350 stages for listeners, but what kind of results are you seeing just give me one picture is like the worst case coming in and great results coming out short shirt there's a young man came in from Raleigh, North Carolina. He was a junior in high school and from a good family but I got caught up in the in the drug culture and knowing was using drugs was office on drugs and he came in and he was very rebellious entitled kid and about three or four months into the program. The Lord got hold of him and really starts to transform his life. He graduated last December and he's on his way to Bible school is going. Liberty Bible school Becky to intern with us. His parents volunteer is going on a summer's mission trip with us and so will Chaz's life is but a testimony what God can do with a fully surrendered life and it would usually proud of him and what goes on in his life. So John seen a lot of things dealing with older men teen challenge in Jamaica dealing with men, women and children in pastoral settings and now with these boys.

They come in angry they could. They come in rebellious and don't want to be there. They have not had structure in their lives. They haven't had right relationships and yet you really seeing results if you just had good structure, but you didn't have the gospel in the middle of it, would you see the same results, but I don't believe Mike you know you want to record Scripture is not good for cigarettes is a God could turn the hearts of fathers to their children in the hearts of children towards the father's and the only one that can step in and change your heart. It is Christ and you know that's worth about about her change is not about behavior modification is about changing our hearts.

Someone having an encounter with Jesus Christ. And when they have an encounter he changes everything. Yeah so it's the encounter and then the Y structure which is disciple making a very serious holistic way again friends and see Academy.org if you say boy. I know someone in the situation or this is me this is my family right so you take this with 15 month program, but it's basically three five-month face. So how does this work is so our phases are as you said the first beta student learner so we really want to help a student to to to recognize that foundations for life begin with learning and so we really emphasize the idea that you know where learner for life we take them through some curriculum or they learn how to be a good follower to learn about discipline. Hebrews chapter 12 and there are some quality have to work through as well as working with the staff counselor. Once they go through that phase. The next phase is a student servant where they learn that the essence of life. The service God called us to serve and we find our fulfillment in service. It's the closest passage from Philippians where you know he left everything and became a servant of all. And then when you get to the third phase is a student servant leader where they blend together the learning in the service. Understand that leadership really is about service Jesus that you have the greatest among you shall be the servant of all.

So we really try to instill within them an identity Christ like godly infinity and out of that identity flows their character and help them discover got a plan and a purpose for their life and that he desires for them to to leave a lasting impact throughout their life and in the midst of this, there getting a regular school curriculum.

Yes, there is dual enrollment a mirror and we have a partnership with Alpha and Omega Academy is web-based and so for the entire time of their here they're going to school. We really don't think any breaks for the academic side except maybe for a week.

Here are two weeks therefore mission trip so young man coming in if he's behind in school and when he finishes the 15 month.

Ellie catches up but he excels in goes beyond where he should be, and we have we have a student center completing and graduating here so they come in 10th grade, and they receive their graduation certificate here. Not all but some that really get the program and really have the light go on.

They move towards that direction. So that's the academic component and then there's the discipleship component teen challenge when it was started in 1950 David Wilkerson went into New York City to reach the troubled young people in his heart was to lead them to Christ and disciple them and do we follow the tradition of David Wilkerson and teen challenge got to imagine that she's coming there in a mess when they leave, five, 10, 20 years down the line there in far better shape than other kids were not in such a mess because they never had the encounter with the gospel and they never develop life skills, and they never became real disciples yeah that's it Mike you love the relational skills are learned in the context of community and so I don't have time to go into it but you.

You talk like all social media what's going on with kids access to digital playground with no supervision and the lack of face-to-face communication. I tell parents when they come here some of the most important environments that we create a breakfast lunch and dinner were staff and students are sitting across one from another, having conversations because those relational skills are developed in the context of community and the boys are learning the skills here because you have access to social media. Secondly, they learn life skills and there's a mom was into this they did the young man does his laundry. He learns that a cookie learn so do dishes you want at a vacuum he learns how to do things that normally are some kids today.

They just don't work status until we've we've got to get John regularly to keep talking about this different aspects of it. Get before the people obviously could use donations and support. This is has to be massively expensive to run.

You can't pass those charges onto others so folks want to go to get more information and see Academy.org if you live in the area you say had left to get involved in different ways. Find out how they John looking forward to seeing you face-to-face getting on the facility first to fly self-publishing thanks by figuring out all right. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown about this. Surprised to see reports from Chairman Eunice on that account today that was former national security advisor Susan Rice on PBS news hour March 22 of this year, saying I know nothing about this. Nothing about these allegations that would somehow associate her with undue unmerited on ethical or even illegal surveillance of the trumpet team prior to the elections. I know nothing about it which has turned to. I did nothing wrong since be very different from I know nothing versus I did nothing wrong. The conversation is heating up. The news media dividing over it. The conservative new say look at this. This is highly irregular, if not unethical or even illegal liberal news saying there's no story here. This is just completely created what is the truth. This is Michael Brown welcome welcome to the broadcast. I just spent 1/2 hour speaking with John Steigerwald directing the North Carolina boys Academy for boys 13 to 17 years old dealing with drug addiction, alcohol addiction, severe relational problems within the family. Amazing ministry of hope and restoration. The hour before that I spoke with Gary Lewis and Graham both to come out of same-sex relationships to healthy relationships with God and a healthy marriage and ministry from 11 Truth Network now we turn our attention to the political scene. Want to mention to you that I wrote an article my assessment on the partial repeal of HB two in North Carolina. All of her friends listening North Carolina and Texas. We are faced with the question of SB six in bathroom privacy and what happens if you pass the bill, check out my latest article in the line of fire delegate asked the question did North Carolina legislators sold her soul for profit sold her soul for money. You want to check out that article. I think you'll find it very interesting. Some of the perspective there again that is@thelineoffire.org. You can read my latest article but back to Susan Rice number one Don lemon.

This is just Monday of this week and he's explaining what the stance of CNN is going to be towards these allegations against Susan Rice which all unpack for you in a moment, cook one Washington Post today calls the latest claims about Susan Rice, anatomy of a fake scandal ginned up by right-wing media and from so let us be very clear about this.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trump team surveilled or spied on worst was spied on the legally there is no evidence that backs up the president's original claim, and on this program. Tonight we will not insult your intelligence by pretending otherwise know we aid and abet the people who were trying to misinform you. The American people by creating a diversion. I am literally holding my mic stand in front fifth 15th because of the way that I feel about this this this this how many things the CNN report just the latest story. The latest dirt on trumped the latest delegate we don't have proof yet. But there is talk. We have an anonymous source reporting on another anonymous source and it could be there's a rumor out all the time all the time I was talking to someone that wants CNN for years as I can watch I just want to lose anymore at all because they bought CNN for years and they said to skin watch anymore in the Washington Post, Shirley, no misinformation can come from Washington Post Shirley Lawson posts come to the conclusion must be gospel truth. Why not just say we differ with the story and we think a lot is being made out of nothing once and when I can insult your intelligence and covert and you shouldn't even think about is just to divert that this is major major serious proportions, so we will unpack this and look whatever the truth is, let's face ribbon exposed. Obama or Tromp somebody else. We like you don't like the truth, triumph is my heart for it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown got into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown basically lay there defaming her without any reason to do so because she's a woman because she's a black woman. Please, please, please, when charges come up against Susan Rice charges of unethical behavior with surveilling Donald Trump and his team has nothing to do with her being a woman.

Their powerful women like Yvonne Cook Tromp in the Trump world and she gets attacked day and night. Not because she's a woman but you because she's part of the Tromp family. There are prominent Blacks in America who are not attacked because they're black and their prominent whites. When I take as their white, there are issues there are issues to what you do when someone comes with genuine issues you deflect from them deflect from them and you point to other things to divide it's it's called sleight-of-hand. It's called identity politics so yeah okay so what exactly is the controversy the whole idea of unmasking someone so I explained yesterday Lynn explained again today but did it probably different time in the broadcast.

Yesterday was a concert I wasn't familiar with until these things surfaced recently so the US government is constantly surveilling the country's communications with other countries so you're in regular contact with China. Why what you in contact with it while you Oconto Libby Libya lot of Islamic terrorism there. Why are you in in contact with them while you get legitimate business. Your business manager dealing with someone over there so fund their to listen in on the conversations because of the nature of who you're dealing with, but your identity remain secret identity is massed so it's an anonymous call if United States talking to someone in Libya when you talk to someone in Libya try to trace down a lost family member and you're talking to the embassy. There and and your checking by genealogy and it looks like someone came from Libya neutron is a way to trace things and that's why you're doing with your business person and you have a contract humanitarian contract with work over there construction work, so that's what you're in touch with that. Okay so US and has no business releasing your information who you are because you're the innocent party in this so according to the reports multiple multiple sources, and in some forthright statements. What we can say see that that have been made. There were surveilling of different people on the Trump teams a talk in Russia of the countries like that but their identity was unmasked. Even though they did nothing wrong, even though their conversations were innocent in terms of it was not some political wrangling were planning to upset the election are discussing how to work together to overthrow some of the country.

No such thing with nothing to do whatsoever with US intelligence by so as to make the Trump administration look bad, or to gain access into their information or to connect them with other countries, their identities were unmasked. According to multiple reports by the direction of national former national security security advisor Susan Rice. These are the allegations which are pretty major. Okay, not not innocent, certainly irregular and then this information was given to numerous individuals within various intelligence agencies with the alleged goal being that it would be leaked now is talking to Nancy about this list that it's interesting and and and she said she said this she stabbed him in the nose with the government does is all there. That was one of my conclusions which is that it could well be the Obama administration did in the Trump administration is doing it now in the Bush administration did before they know it's I I'm not look at the government's pristine, pure and perfect in all of this is number one, number two, she was a look.

People listing just got a live Rice that's another thing is that of the rightness of her hand sank that out. I will live my life is if someone's always listen because God is listening if if Nancy and I talking late at night and on time. I the difference I have with someone else.

I don't speak about them in a demeaning ugly way because that I can talk about an honest concern in an honest issue, but I still want to be gracious in the West because if I was speaking in public. You follow I'm saying. So we we agreed it's not just the Obama ministration. Who knows what other administrations have done alright and it's it's a matter of yet. I think there's a whole Lotta stuff going on beyond what we know that would shock us how much of our information is known how much eavesdropping there is by the government or even foreign governments, but none of that lessens the severity of the accusations and to just make this conservative versus liberal friends of that's how your hearing this, I'm telling you you're not accurately looking at the facts because there are issues of concern. Charles Krauthammer yes is on Fox news. I can find a a little less. What's the worst you and I can find it a more rational voice than Krauthammer. In other words, he's not just going to get excited and just react. He's not just gonna repeat that the latest hyperbole a listen to what Charles Krauthammer has to say about this. I think the problem for rices number one that she said appears to be totally contradicted herself when she said a couple weeks ago. I know nothing about this. It appears to be an outright Allied in contradiction.

I suspect she'll wiggle around a guy being ambiguous about the word what the word. This was the other issue is why was she asking, and what possible national security interest. Did she have in uncovering whatever names she uncovered, unmasked, and I think until we have answers into that were not going to know the extent of this impropriety, if it was for national security reasons possible. I don't quite see how that would be then this is perfectly legitimate, but she is not an investigator. She's a political operative.

She works on behalf of the president and it can be shown that this was a political fishing expedition.

Then she is in a world of hurt. So he sings if he's he's asking these these questions about this, but he sings look if if if you could say somehow that there were national security issues than you do unless the people.

Okay, this one was dealing with Russian arms dealer so we we need to get information out on okay fine, but from what we know that was not the case. Andrew McCarthy national review Susan Rice's White House unmasking a Watergate style scandal.

Her interest he says was not in national security but to advance the political interests of the Democratic Party. He writes this thing to bear in mind is that the White House does not do investigations that criminal investigations not intelligence investigations. That's not was supposed to do, then why was it doing these things. Let's go to cook for this is Susan Rice on with Andrea Mitchell when the intelligence community would respond to a request from the senior national security official for the identity of an American that would come back only to the person who requested it and it would be brought back to them directly to him directly to me or to whoever might've requested it on occasion and in this is important.

It was not been typically broadly disseminated throughout the national security community or the government. So the notion that which some people are trying to suggest that by asking for the identity of an American person that is the same as leaking is completely false. There's no equivalence between so-called unmasking and leaking the effort to ask for the identity of American citizen is necessary to understand the importance of an intelligence report. In some instances right, but according to everything we know it was not germane to intelligence. In these instances, that's a and B were told that it was leaked to others. One more question for Susan Rice click number five again speaking with Andrea Mitchell there any truth to present Trump's claim on twitter exactly a month ago.

Early one Saturday morning on March 4 that the Obama that Pres. Obama was eavesdropping on him in Trump Tower actually false and the intelligence community, the director of the FBI has made that very clear. There was no such collection surveillance on Trump Tower or Trump individuals and is very important to understand by that I mean, directed by the White House or targeted at the Trump individuals yeah and say okay well is this evidence to the contrary, we get will more clip in. So, Chris Matthews, MSNBC, he's with mother Jones.

Political analysis David Coren clip six. Mike Huckabee tweeted yesterday Donald Trump will await apology for the media.

Now that is revealed. Susan Mize unmasked names orange jumpsuit and as I God, I mean Huckabee has no shame these guys are trooping along like camp followers of Trump by looking for pi�ata found one in Susan Rice. I think this is always a female.

That's also true all it's always fearless when the media text. Donald Trump then that that's always a female. When the media went after Mike pensive that it's always a female.

When the media tax be at Ben Carson or Steve Bannon or Jerry Kushner. It's always a famous boy. I didn't realize that any of these men were females and and I thought I thought they ultimately retracing it to Pres. Obama himself.

Last I remember. He's not a female either. Please forgive my sarcasm and suspiciousness, but I think it's Meredith in this case will be right back file line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown is a story of CNN refuting the Susan Royster refuses interesting is CNN is decided to debunk the story about Susan Rice unmasked information on citizens close to Donald Trump before reporting on it.

David Nunez intelligence Church of the House intelligence committee couple weeks back publicly stated he'd seen dozens of reports that were disseminated widely.

The intelligence agencies featuring unmasked information on people close to Trump. He stated that these reports were of little to no intelligence value so that the unmasking was disconcerting. He also stated that these reports had nothing to do with Russia.

Susan Rice, a dog know nothing about this all wrong. Whenever I did nothing wrong incidences will and that settles it in the right wingers is try to manufacture this and it's it's it's really it's really quite remarkable to say we're not going to insult your intelligence by reporting out to me that insults the intelligence of the CNN viewers when they know the extraordinary bias the anti-Trump biased seeing as it has is fine if you don't like Trump and five you don't like it, was president but you, when you report in the biased way so as to hinder your objectivity when that is self evident to almost everyone that's watching unless they are absolutely totally in alright so when when when that's just evidence everyone watching that you have taken sides here and now you're soon I can insult your intelligence by reporting on this is just a distraction. That to me insults the intelligence of the CNN viewers for speaking to you candidly do I know for fact that Susan Rice is guilty know but I know that it seems that things were done that were improper was Donald Trump right about tweeting what he tweeted. I think the jury still out on that. I think the jury still out.

Nonetheless, this is what we dealing with and I just want to encourage everyone of you do your best to sift through what you hear on the right on the left. Do your best to be objective.

Ask God to help you to see truth into follow your personal life and wherever it leads. It's often hard to do it often hard to do in our own lives. But if you want growth, want to move forward. If one premature if you want to be part of the.

The solution, not just the problem you have to step above the fray. We must step above the fray gallop six in 10 US and USC partisan bias in news media more believe the media roof favors Democrats and Republicans. This is the latest gallop survey.

With that information right let me switch gears here and give him my my big emphasis is not so much what's happening, but the way it's being reported or misreported or not reported in the degree of bias and spin that's out there that's what concerns me more than anything right. I received this letter from the foundation for moral law, based in Montgomery, Alabama, and it was sent to me regarding nomination of Kristin Goodwin to be commandant of cadets at the Air Force Academy, so this is sent to the Hon. J Matus, secretary of defense Amanda widely respected in the military so the problem is the kit. Kristin Goodwin is an out and proud lesbian. She would now be the commandant of cadets at the Air Force Academy. So dear Sec. Matus, the letter begins written by Kayla Moore on behalf of the foundation for law. I learned this morning of the nomination of Kristin Goodwin March 22 Lieut. Gen. Michelle Johnson superintended the Air Force Academy announced the nomination of Col. Goodwin to be the next commandant of cadets killer rights. I oppose this nomination because Col. Goodwin does not set a proper moral example for use. The person responsible for the education of cadets at the Academy as a role model and exemplar of proper deportment and conduct. Col. Goodwin is a lesbian who is quote married to another woman not only demeans the institution of marriage, but contradicts the divine basis for marriage revealed in Scripture evident nature male and female he created them. Genesis 52 that they might be fruitful and multiply. Genesis 97. His homosexual relationships are unnatural or incompatible with the basic structure of society and historic antecedents of military order and discipline, but nominating an open lesbian who proclaims that she is married to another woman.

The Department of Defense states its disregard for the fundamental moral order established by God. This breaking trust with the millions of Christians who voted for the new president and hope that the ungodly policies of the previous administration would be repudiated.

1248 for unto whomsoever much is given of him so be much required husband Roy Moore is a graduate of the United States military Academy at West Point senior counselor, senior counsel, John H mode is retard the turning 10 Col. for the Air Force and is lectured with US Air Force Academy. They too were disheartened to see responsible officials. Apparently, following the policies of presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who push the homosexual agenda on a military to its detriment. As recently as 2011 federal law stated that the following about homosexual activity in the military.

Quote the presence of the Armed Forces or persons who demonstrate a propensity for intent to engage in homosexual acts were created unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability at the same time. At the same time it reports of sexual assaults of the military, increasing the irony of exalting a person a represents disorderly sexualities inescapable the foundation for moral laws profoundly disappointed that a person's lifestyle much everything that is sacred about marriage and historically honored by the Armed Forces should be chosen to direct the education of 4000 cadets you wonder is is there is there really is there really no better candidate available to me, that's bizarre.

Is there a PC agenda still being pushed. This person may be a fine person in many ways and even devoted to her partner and devoted to the Air Force does not mean they are the best candidate for the job. Yeah, and how how far does the anti-Trump sentiment go look at this number progressives of social media appear to be reacting with glee to news that ISIS has officially lashed out at Trump why.

Well, at least they're speaking the truth about Trump isn't that while the fact that anyone would say anything other than blanket condemnation speak anything in the blanket condemnation of ISIS because they Trump that much.

Boy that is really eye-opening is not quite the same. I feel my blood boiling today.

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