The New York Times and the Palestinian Terrorist; and Dr. Brown Speaks with a Rabbi About Yeshua

Take you on a fascinating journey today through Jewish Thursday stage for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your exam is Dr. Michael Brown, so did the patriarchs care about the land that became the land of Israel, that they care about pain and did they care about the promises to inherit that land with a always looking for something spiritual and if in fact there were always looking for some spiritual why should we care about the land today this is Michael Brown. Welcome to our thoroughly Jewish Thursday broadcast 866-34-TRUTH number to call if you have any Jewish related question of any kind related to the Hebrew language related to Judaism, Jewish tradition relating to Israel today relating to Jesus being the Jewish Messiah. Any Jewish related question.

Phone lines are open 866-348-7884 when I did a mini radio debate with Rev. Stephen Sizer in England from England. I should say wheat we did it by way of phone for up for debate, with Moody radio. When we did that many debate, he pointed to a passage in Hebrews 11 to say that the patriarchs didn't really care about the land that was all spiritual to them and that therefore we too should not put too much focus on the land of Israel and there were passages like this that he pointed to Hebrews 11 verse eight by faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was receives an inheritance and went out, not knowing where he was going by faith he went to live in the land of promise is in a foreign land with living in tents with Isaac and Jacob. Heirs with him in the same promise, for he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. And then little later on it it says this speaking of how these four fathers of faith lived like strangers and exiles on earth.

Verse 14. If he was looking for people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland if they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would've had an opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he is prepared for them a city. Well is this saying that the patriarchs didn't care about the physical land and that we shouldn't care about the physical land or is this a spiritual application that's being made it a homiletical application that's being made by the author of Hebrews.

So how can we determine that a very simple, the later revelation cannot fundamentally change the meaning of the first revelation without being questionable or simply dismissed immediately.

In other words, let's say we look at this as followers of Jesus today if Mohammed comes along and says that he has the true testament and that he is the seal of the prophets, and he changes things that are in the Bible we reject Mohammed if some modern-day prophet said I am the Messiah I am he, I am Jesus, follow me, we reject that because the Scriptures have already warned us. Jesus really warned us that to follow those who say such things while in the same way. If the New Testament came along and fundamentally changed the meaning of what came before, then it must be rejected as untrue. That's a battle we have, of course, with traditional Jews who will say well it has fundamentally changed the meaning and that's we have say no it hasn't. This refilled the meeting. It has opened up what may have been hidden, but it is changed nothing.

It has fulfilled that which was promised so what we know about the patriarchs. What we know about the land of Israel.

What we know about Scripture say about it, and in light of that, what do we make of the comments in Hebrews that is one of the many things we talk about today on the line of fire, 866-34-TRUTH to join us on Thursday through Thursday file. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown who are broadcast today, but first let's get back to the question of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Their expectation and was written in Hebrews the 11th chapter. If you'll start in Genesis 12 and go through the rest of the five books of Moses, you will see over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again that God explicitly says that he will give the land he will give the land that physical land Walker at look at it that he will give it to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendents. He promises it one time after another after this before the law was given at Sinai Galatians 3 system always comes after cannot undo the promise which came earlier right over and over and over and over and over promise that physical land to the point that Jacob you know I'm dying better bury me I will be buried back to my home and Joseph bring my bones back to do what, why, because I had to go back to the promised land. This was the place of promise and and throughout the prophetic books for the children of Israel exile because of sin, the promise dependably about the lamprey back to lamprey back to the lab redirect land. It's not just that everybody needs a homeland would it matter to 330 million Americans. If you sit at your out here and scattered on the will you have no home again. I would matter it would matter, so everybody needs a homeland as the Jewish people.

If it mattered not having a homeland during World War II and the Holocaust were to flee to course it matters absolutely is a question about that so we have we have taught plainly and simply, is throughout the Hebrew Scriptures that this is not just a homeland. This is a homeland associated with the blessing of God and the purposes of God, and we get to the prophetic Scriptures speak of what's can happen at the end of the ASICs. Zechariah 12 and 14 we see that there will be a Jewish Jerusalem and yet the people there will be in need of repentance and turning to the Messiah and cleansing sin comes in the 13th chapter in God's reign in the 14th chapter. So we see these things must happen for the future so what we make of Hebrews 11 is just a homily. It's a spiritual application saying that these people of faith. The fact that they they lived in tents. They knew that there was something ahead. They were looking for. That's the symbolism yes yes they were no perfect people anyway. But, but, yes, in point of fact they were looking forward to living in that promise land but they knew there was a promise. They were looking forward to the promise in Hebrews 11 is a homily on that is not denying what everyone knew the importance of the land is as spiritual application made based on the text. You do not take scores.

Verse probably hundreds of verses turn them upside down because of a homiletical application that was made as a fundamental error of those in what we call replacement theology 866-34-TRUTH 87884 we go to Boston Eric, welcome to the line of fire hi� Are you doing well.

Thank you. Okay my question pertaining to Isaiah chapter 53 verse 10 Jewish objection which state that cannot apply to Jesus because what are their mean seed only referring to physical offspring, etc. and I'm familiar with your material on the subject of right what you great and I pretty speak on the but I want to get your thoughts on that in Genesis chapter 3 on God says to the serpent and fit and fit into Eve that he will put enmity between the serpent and Eve and her seed, and the serpent deceived so my thoughts are that my question is what is the Jewish understanding of serpent.

There because it would seem to me that they have to interpret it in a metaphoric computing in a metaphoric fence unless they think that you know actual snakes are the enemy of of mankind or something that they they would.

Yet it is they just took it literally.

Though they did they'd be talking about enmity between human beings and snakes are just on the most basic level, and that it's talking about little offspring that would be the argument that it's little offspring in the seat of the woman Sarah doesn't mean her sperm. It means little offspring. Just like when Seth is born and later in the fourth chapter 6 is God's give me at the seed so Sarah offspring so II appreciate your argument.

I do think when Israel is called the seed of evildoers and things like that are serpent seed and Isaiah's as I've written that that's to be understood metaphorically. I I believe that that's that's that's correct that it should be understood metaphorically there and that's part of the arguments I bring, but he will see Sarah doesn't say this are all doesn't say his own physical offspring Sarah he will succeed. It's the only time that that idiom is used expression is useless in the Hebrew Scriptures. Your your Azera that he will see seed so the question is what is it mean does it mean future generations as in Psalm 22 Sarah a seed will serve him speaking about future generations that will serve the Lord.

As a result of of the great act of deliverance that God accomplishes in Psalm 22 that would work perfectly well for me. Just he will see future generations doesn't mean his own spiritual offspring that could that could work is well certainly possible, but I wouldn't press. Genesis 3 that for unless some someone was interpreting it as a holy spiritual way. If that was the case in the South, a normal traditional Jewish interpretation, but if that was the case then that would work. That would be another example of seed being used in a metaphorical sense in the Scriptures. Okay, thank you so much. You are very welcome. Thanks for putting thought into this. I appreciated 866-34-TRUTH in a moment I'm going to be joined by a gentleman with a very interesting story we interacted some years ago and he reached out to me a few days ago and say what we interacted us a great let's do it.

And because we have tremendous flexibility in most of our broadcast we don't schedule. Lots of guests in advance we were able to set this up very quickly so you introduce our guest in a moment and out. We have some very interesting interaction and obtain more as we get there first� Grab one more call our friend Jonathan and Bart had Alberta, Canada. Thanks for joining the line of fire. Brown book on both about how you and I was wondering are you a cop about the weather your life might question why is all implying that they are first begun. All time or other rabbi right with being the day after October yes so the second question.

I'll try to answer both of these before the break and I'll be bringing my guest on a second question has to do with saying the first day after the Sabbath with in Passover and in this firstfruits offering is is given and Paul uses the same word for strengthens 15 that the Septuagint that the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures uses in describing this and in the in the Vedic is so is that always Sunday, the first day after the Sabbath the way the carrot rights of interpret it the way we understand the Sadducees interpreted that was the that the Sabbath, the Saturday Sabbath and firstfruits immediately followed it. So, hence, would always be on a Sunday, the pharisaical reckoning which is been preserved by traditional Judaism says no it's the Sabbath of the Passover that's being spoken of, not the Saturday Sabbath so it's gonna vary from from year-to-year is to post what date is, I think you make a good case for being a Sunday. Again, you have ancient Jewish traditions that support that regarding my own experience.

For the first moment I was saved my life was changed my debts, it's great to see her of drugs, but we don't believe this once he saw was serious introduce me to the local rabbi. So even though I was not raised in a religious Jewish almost bar mitzvahed, but as he does not raise the religious to his home. I was instantly challenged about what it means to be Jewish and follow Jesus. And even though anytime Pentecostal church I was raised and there is no consciousness of Jesus is Yeshua or the consciousness of your messianic Jews who are our Torah observant and also believe Jesus is the Messiah, you know such concepts didn't exist in our world, but I was instantly challenged by your Jew, and what that means, instantly challenged it to start learning Hebrew, and then learn more about background and tradition so so for me what it's meant is a deeper and deeper solidarity with my people coming to faith in Jesus has created a far far greater consciousness of being Jewish that I had before.

It has created a far greater attachment in the two are people and even toward traditions even though I disagree with the binding nature of those traditions. So in that regard, it's deeper than enrich my faith in life and broken my heart all the more for the lost sheep of the house of Israel to come to know Jesus the Messiah. It's it's often consuming thing in my life that's been something that's just been with me in different measure all these years and more than increasing intensifying exigencies and say thank you sir for the called right back with a special guest. Her plan by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and welcome welcome to the line of fire 866-34-TRUTH 7884 that music tells you thoroughly Jewish Thursday right I am about to have a very interesting conversation with Rabbi Osher Mesa of very interesting background. You could say that that he and I kind of pass each other in the midst of our journeys and come out very different sides. Yet, with some areas of interest in commonality resumes are welcome back to the line of fire. Hello Dr. Brown your garden or thanks or hate. If we could just take a minute if you could share your background the very short version of the story is. Is it true that you were originally a Baptist preacher was undetectable primary 18 years ago I converted to Judaism that the mission of my organization run about each would start work and its parent organization toward Judaism International that encourages everyone to consider becoming fully Jewish.

Okay see you you're not encouraging Gentiles to live by the so-called seven laws of Noah. You are doing the same as I'm doing going to all the world, encouraging everyone to become full-fledged followers of Jesus, you are encouraging Gentiles to become completely Jewish to convert to Judaism to convert conversion, according to Jewish law. Every Gentile is already a banner about not creating a chart on our daughter not to expect the big debate in the Jewish world is that Christians all under that rubric be the Christian computer start. Many Christian concert Yeshua God himself some mainly build up the opinions of the Rambam teach that that in itself is a form of idolatry.

I have a different bank that a Gentile believer in Yeshua does keep a log.

Believe they fall under the rubric of heretics are adult and shall video detailing that a few days ago. But no, I don't encourage them to keep a log Of their bountiful already and really I know like movement along the barn. I also yet go headset to hold onto that thought for a moment just your background so you are not raised in the Jewish home, your you raised in a Christian home and and write you. You went to Jackson theological seminary right might annihilate applicant remote of the product and I grew up in the church in a Baptist Church in South Florida.

I went off I went FOR a little bit. I came back when I was 17 and I hopped right into it like they did with most things in my life and I went to seminary and I learned much they could didn't sit right with me. The whole notion that someone need to accept the Messiah to be saved.

Specifically, a political question for many of my teachers and I typically got the same response that if your doubting you short Scriptures that supposedly ducked.

Are you sure that the devil he will iron you should and I did further investigation on market as of 18 years ago are you fingered for all the notable commissioners today. I can actually only Toby had his material used years before that in an cassette tape foreman when I debated and use back forces refused to debate me ever since. But when I debated him years back. He was no Nancy but basically it would have Internet and things are not may be as readily accessible. So you're saying you had a go on a bit of of your own journey a little bit right skirt. The ideology of the Jews for Judaism told his finger type rabbi okay this message with alacrity focus notion that we don't care about educating Gentiles. We don't care what anyone who's not technically doing something of a message and tour. I think a tour. I think your mitosis and personal prayer is encouraging Israel to choose like to choose Torah. In other words, not to remain what they were medically thinking they would've been in the public know like the one additional lots are important to be telling them to life by not shooting light beat remaining in debt so I think that nowadays with the object evangelical Christianity and heartache individual who is ready, ethically elevated to that level in some way offer defendant playing log alternative to the rich religion complete right now given credit for that religion is important, rightly understood, and then again we can we can have that discussion. But just in the. The two minutes we have before the break here so you went through a formal conversion to Judaism I and and what kind of conversion was was an Orthodox conversion. Conversion North. Beach, Florida okay and then since then your rabbinic studies. How did you how did you come to have the title Rabbi Arnold and I learned it appears you bought a tutorial. North America model Dr. I work in outreach, multiple know that. Programs like birthright. Many programs that are geared to bringing Jews were unaffiliated to be a little more conscious of their Jewish equipment, you know, so there's a lot of outreach programs in Jerusalem that target these individuals to bring them tour classes and yeshivas [wild and a girl and talk actually have a couple I could. After few years of the desert for about five years and I moved back to South Florida and I started doing the same thing here. However, I started to twist encouraging non-Jews to return to Judaism. After few Rabbi the question what's wrong with encouraging people were not born Jewish to become Jewish and virtually every response that I received every colossal response, but there's actually nothing wrong and it makes you think there's nothing wrong with whatever I haven't.

Jews eager to convert their neighbors to make enemies into friends and that really laid foundation for my attack and conflict security related couplet. That may choose ethnocentric and like a bottle start with hundred 82, and that the souls of the Jews of the binoculars are in some way redeemable in the soul that you elevated and actually part of Shem. I write to a more rational type of I tell you what. Sorry to cut you off there in midsentence, they just jump in friends listening to translate some of that for you is reminiscent speak with the understanding and I know the literature and attorneys that only translates honestly so obviously I look at elegant resumes.

As someone who needs to turn and embrace Jesus as Messiah. He looks at me is misguided. Other ways to continue this discussion. They were here. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown Baptist Church went to seminary ended up turning away from Jesus as Savior and Lord Messiah converting to Judaism and Orthodox conversion to Judaism and then getting ordained as a rabbi and Orthodox circles restudy in Israel and now he feels his mission is to convert people to Judaism.

That was just as you and I as followers of Jesus when spread the word and call everyone to turn to God and receive forgiveness and new life through Jesus the Messiah. He feels the burden to reach out to the whole world, and call people to become Jewish to convert to Judaism, which again is absolutely not mainstream Jewish approach and if you remember Jesus in Matthew 23 rebuke some of the religious leaders insisted that that you'll travel across NOC and dryland to make one proselytizer, one process, one a proselyte, one one proselyte right sorry and easily. Worse than you wait when you're done, so it speaks of his seal to introduce Judaism back then seminar found today so resumes you are saying in some of the mystical Jewish I only accepted in the although not actively right today to accept convert the convert and even though there are many messianic leader could believe like you taught that evening from "but the professional identity shall be keeping a lawn that biblically a lot of the rabbinical literature out there delete biblically evaporative me rebuke you to enter into that core covenant to keep those long built testament with the New Testament makes clear, those for Gentile that they don't have to be circumcised, to the law of Moses. That's it.

Again another discussion we get into but just just to be clear on this.

You you feel that it's later mystical Jewish literature that is more ethnocentric that discourages Jews from proselytizing. What about Talmudic references that seem to say that the Gentile be a righteous Gentile is just as acceptable is the Jewish high priest and other passages that seem to speak of Gentiles in and denigrating terms, this is not on the same spiritual planes, Jews three. The third category when you Mr. them all down, that do speak of the notion of a righteous Gentile, but apparently quick question on the board.

Some rabbis say that a righteous Gentile right does known at all him to have a share in the local commenter dictated and use references and rep technique badly about Gentiles virtually always speaking about idolaters meant that your efforts drink on for sure you're right Gentile, which I argue that you'd messianic all under the rubric of right Gentile Islam. I think a particular person. That is, I believe it is a completely different religion but I'm of the belief that only because someone happy to believe that distorted individual and after an individual is either that exclude you because what unites the Torah as you keep tort or to become the written law enforcement at our law that all him and I'm not necessarily here trying to convert you, you're ready to insert your listeners as I see that Sandra's convert, I think that is great height here remaining Christian entered your throat theologically and academically. I stay right there. We had a longer segment, the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 86.

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I fully believe that God is fully revealed himself through the Messiah, Jesus, and that when we go away from him.

Then we will only go backwards that we will we will go backward spiritually will go backwards theologically, we go backwards in terms of truth in that gospel revelation is particularly that of greatest making elephant. It's a statement of fact in terms of my own life and everyone that I know for 45+ years. It's a statement of fact to me, but I said I believe I'm just stating it.

I also believe on Saturday. There is no messianic issue that I compared you waited, waited mechanic. She would have to begin every few are required. Starting with usual and will be sure and this hinders your growth, ultimately all know that the first thing is when does God ever equate spirituality with academic growth alone for intellectualism alone that would be saying that that someone who is into a brilliant student can't be intimate with God, which of course I doubt you believe that, but in point of fact, she thought her endlessly discussing impractical things and and traditions handed down by man as opposed to punk plumbing the depths of spirituality and I could just point to that the houses of prayer around the world that are 24 hours a people just seeking God and worshiping him and Ramanathan Scripture prayer prayer back then was taken during limited meditating apart from the introduction of chocolate mint on Mark notion of spirituality over spirituality who are I equate mechanic you even with conflict do you become too heavily good at it earlier, but I made a point and one surrounding me who the ones in the front lines, though feeding the poor and building hospitals and and and building schools. It's as was Christian organizations always lead the way in this country in Europe academically. Oxford, Cambridge. These are all the universities started by Christians.

This is an and in America. Christian rule notion their ideology.

In Europe another work that that foundation back were critical of Old Testament Biblical foundation detonate them. Ethical ethical under a even to David Cox in the city still hang out, let us go back to the beginning, before Europe. The believers were no universally known for the ethics they were known for their sacrificial living they they were known for forgiving their enemies.

They were known for caring for the poor. They went, they were known and insomuch of healthcare comes out of Christian tradition in education comes out of Christian tradition and you go back to the early centuries fit for this. I have very different theological background. I think that this big explosion working today with people converting to Judaism is the result of the messianic movement toward its actually help bring people work authentic Torah. The other way around. Edward messianic movement had technically made more authentic to real torture topically out of work. I have no problem cupping and or fully as a brother in Torah. However, a theologically found torture the mechanic movement catapulted this movement could you have people who've never study rabbinic literature before studying it. Mind you like the prism of a messianic teacher for the realizing you know what we've been led astray.

We have been entered academically and this is why the seminary quickly call messianic yes you bought it do not compare with many to make a quick first step of an offer efficacy via energy threat in a month if you go to the slot right this first. I would I would reject a lot of what study there and a lot of where the emphasis is put there is is off tracking and contrary to God's commandments of the not reaching out to the rest of the world is is a light at night I take you to the finest Christian seminaries. A lot of us just numbers the messianic movement being smaller and many messianic Jews being part of churches and things like that but as far as academically unchristian academics of have shined and there's there's no shortage of burning Christian how to recognize and sees me. Contrary to God's command yet wanted to be to be as if you're saying and I agree that there is a Jewish calling to be a light to the nations, then to be sitting learning right around the corner light right now so rights you gotta take it out and shine it if you're sitting in the yeshiva studying 16 hours a day. Rabbinic tradition not doing that. That's one thing. The second thing is not her spend studying there is adding to that hollow starting line would scream studying all the characters you write a lot of study, a lot of what's right Emma that one of the young men do, they do not go out until all all the world, but so that's what I'm saying bike by country Camano and a lot of it is all right but as far as it's a look if numbers are the test, then you should be terribly discouraged beat because everyday number more people more people around the world. Muslims and atheists and Hindus and Buddhists and Jews are discovering Jesus as the Messiah and and being wonderfully born again transformed in one day more than you'll see in in 50 years agree that the only thing that really make ethical is the court anything new amplify Torah property, but am not rejecting or rejecting terror training people to a new, better life, darn it is what transforms them because of it's a new birth. It's a supernatural new birth announces academic study on the theory's proven Christians behave well they follow what you will Torah art. The notion of actually having to believe in him dying and coming back again. I will think that make ethical missing. When I witness to. It certainly does because I get a new heart. I know people that were miserable people that were murderous people that were treacherous people that were filthy people and God Gov. you heart and that that you want to talk hundred Torah they were offered Torah instead of Christianity or Islam in wherever they expected their new religion.

In other words it because Jews are not out there know I landed. Now of course not� Of course not.

Number number one offering them live by these laws. Some is unable to do they need a new heart and and Jesus appearing to a Hindu saying who's the real true God were peering to to some involved in terrorist activity or peer into a radical Muslim in Israel all saw you hang on hang on. These are all people I know personally that's what change the not giving them a set of laws, and then God wrote his laws on their heart are not on an eyewitness to the power of the gospel Trans Am a long long public club in April. 30 should be holy long supportive article in government law know you don't think this is the foundation of what made sure he became an ethical individual who made the world ethical Christian world ethical because Torah thing is you know what cut out the middle guy and go straight to Torah and will be less tender because I think that eventually, although Christians are ethical now we select one of your country. I think allopathy will eventually catch up with a black actually the rest of the New Testament is filled with high and lofty ethics.

That's the first thing the second thing the one I desire to be referred to as as your great season. It will affect the buildup of torque ethical or there's there's a deeper calling than that goes beyond Torah in terms of the calling to love our enemies, and the sacrificial love that can only be emulated because of what Messiah did an invalid CT he takes everything to its highest possible height and bills and goes even further. After all, he's the Messiah we would expect him to do that. The example of love one another as I've loved you you you cannot get from Torah alone got a break coming up, and then will we get back on the other side of the break, but just to speak clearly here. Number one, number one, the, the calling love and those I've loved you, that only comes to his self-sacrificing love cannot come to Torah loan. There's nothing you will get in Torah that gets you to love another as I have loved you, because no one else lay down their lives for us the way he did. No one else like him lay down his life for us like us when you say get rid of the middleman. This is this is this is what I hear you say you're up there the plane and there somebody in a thousand foot pit and you're telling them have got some great laws here. No, you need someone to reach down into that pit like I was raised in a Jewish home.

I was nontraditional, but trust me I had enough encounters with traditional Judaism over the years this it would save me that that was transforming that's not what convicted me of my sin brought me to God the one that you referred to as the guy in the middle middle guy is the Savior of the world, and without him reaching out to us lost forever.

I thank you sir.

Come back in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown minutes Ruth Rabbi Moshe Mazer Rabbi Meza why why disparage the fact that hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of people walking in darkness that were idol worshipers that had no interest in God didn't read the Scriptures. Then I'll worship the God of Israel and love the whole Bible because of Jesus the Messiah. If your interest is connecting people to the God of Israel, why not rejoice in that.

Why try to pull people away from Jesus our Lord. Holiness, higher state. We were talking about here that permeate the Christian world. From where the God of the Old Testament is angry with the God of love and grace came only to the New Testament, and I think anyone would make the statement does not know cannot make that statement you made it, but I did make it. I don't think that I would hold books against the concept notion that are vital to a Christian I believe that a writer Christians to make another call argued notions that are outside of poor holding in.

That's what you need. Not like you everything ethical America down in what Christians call the old we see Moses laying down his life also stand coming down like every prophet laying down your life for a lot of his referral love for God. How many of the book of Psalms tell me anyone is to support not enough. Not enough listening was not enough. You, the one with moral law you stated that right from the start, without oral law, which is endless and was endless and the sentence as as you know every verse and say that with God made in writing is not enough on sin, with God-given writing is he fulfilled. He said he was going to do certain things and he did them in the New Testament records that every bit of oral law is clearly configured to rob a number of the rabbi directly make them take the following 80 Torah by calling their work or, of course heavenward, like the sound of candles when you pray like that, Wendy, Diane, and you in the teller and the written tone when you got to Manji to light some candles recommend judges of those days work.

The man knows that he's a legitimate increase in legal disputes to hearing the Levitical priests and legal disputes. That's all he said it has nothing to do with Shawn Fanning, Leo Kapor is not nothing to do with regard to ram the right to collect what the instructor I didn't think that a priest to function as Israel's Supreme Court in legal debates okay and the requisite amount with the court doing their bit court was building not get their own benefit or on the Torah. We know that by opening them is obeying God they sell everything in laws adding to the law knows wherever they sanity, make okay and isn't rabbinic to light the Sabbath candles is that the rod is that going you like you really could not handle the question you got to light candles but that we go then on ask you Sabbath candles because it says because the blessing he prays that God commanded. Where did that I may have. Where did God come at some sir. This is a simple simple question right where the lightning tollroad did it on land. Listen listen listen. I really do my best to be polite, okay, and I'm trying to ask you something so just give me a second to hear me all right because it's just very unproductive for listeners of proposed talking at the same time.

It's a really simple question where in the written Torah did God command us to light Sabbath candles and if it's not a divine command. Why are we calling it that that is adding to the torso as possible?

Where in the Torah to command you to light Sabbath candles in a chimeric instruction of judges by listing needs a look at this in a legal dispute. This is not a legal dispute. What read Deuteronomy 17 we could read a thousand times. It has nothing to do with lighting Sabbath candles like a candle, an extra buck. Her yellow rejoice in the fact the idea floating around on the character once in darkness on the Sabbath of the stages instructed that one should light a lamp.

But, there's no but not become a nugget that created it. But I was adding to the total just to the Torah and calling in any commanded clerk America very familiar with the local a lot of the seven rabbinic commands. It's considered to be on the same level a minute sometimes included in the list of 600 grand from and I would like to show the police will be working in atomic no snake literature right now candles you will defend character to set up in a compartment like Procter & Gamble sign because we have a commanded low cost. The commandment to not straight. That's not what it's talking about. It's not.

It's is not here look at the text. If any case arises requiring decision declined between one kind of homicide and another one kind of legal right and the other one kind of assault and another in the case of the town is too difficult for you, then you shall rise, go to the place of the larger double choose and there you have it with their quick release spring court. But here's the bottom line what you basically said is anything the rabbi study has divine authority because not on B-17s is follow them. And that's why that's why God had to it's on some of the Sanhedrin Levitical priests that were installed are but here's online.

So, not political.

In common and are here's the highly here's the problem on your own separate. Here's the bottom line USA office anchored throughout our history which often throughout our history, the governmental leaders. This lettuce often throughout our history. They went in the wrong direction and God raised up profits. It was not a matter of follow the majority. It was a matter of follow God speaking through his prophets and somehow with Everett is a hyper intellectualism emphasis in academic study and thinking that's equates with holiness got away from the spirit of the matter. You got the way out of the few ever truly born again and not only God knows what you've gotten away from the spirit of the matter, you've gotten away from that which really matters, which is knowing God and being intimate with him and walking and that forgiveness that comes to Yeshua and yes he goes beyond that, Moses or Sampson or anyone did by being the perfect one who laid down his life for us as filthy sinners, so if this the door still open for you to come home sir and will will keep it open for you.

Praying for you and maybe more tomorrow and Deuteronomy raise up a prophet because our Lyrica letter Letter is right and anyplace of a prophet like Moses in Deuteronomy 30 forces no profit like that is raised up. Where is he relaxed Will set the record straight here at a time. Thanks for calling when you take you on a fascinating journey today on through Jewish Thursday is time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I just had a very interesting thoroughly Jewish Thursday discussion with Orthodox Jewish rabbi who was raised in a non-Christian home or Christian will some level went to seminary and then had questions ended up converting to Orthodox Judaism in becoming a rabbi has a movement to try to convert the world the rich, Gentiles Christians, Muslims, and does not who converts them to Judaism and by the way, that's a controversial movement within the Jewish world as well, but we are very interesting conversation you can listen to it later by going to the line of fire.org and if you've got a Jewish related question for me of any kind. People related Judaism related Jewish tradition related. If you interesting observation there Johnny sex. If you have a question about Israel today. If you have a question about Jesus being the Jewish Messiah Jewish background to the New Testament as long as it's Jewish related glad to take your calls today, 86634878H with its 8664 truth.

I just want to say one thing to those of you who did listen to the conversation.

Again, you can catch it later on my website to light a fire.org are a great team is able to get shows on line a couple hours after the show was over, so my appreciation to them for their hard work and diligence to make that happen. So you can listen later. But for those who did. I just want to say this one thing. Sometimes I bring a guest on thinking that we are just in a very short talk and is it going much longer. Sometimes I'm expecting to have a long talk in its short sometimes. I'm expecting to have kind of friendly interaction and it turns into more of an aggressive debate. Sometimes I'm expecting to have more debate, and it turns into friendly interaction that the call from the rabbi. The head on. I I was not expecting it to have as much kind of argumentation between us.

Not blaming him on to say that I was not expecting that. I thought it would be more interactive with our differences and ended up being more, pushing back and forth, which is perfectly fine and and we did interact and in some death but I just want to say that that it's not always the way you expect and that's what happens with with live broadcasts and that's one thing I love about live radio. I got a call from someone earlier this week and we end up say on the phone for long time at absolute and plan on it whatsoever but it was important and we did it so of the joy of live radio 8663 freight 7884 is the number to call with through Jewish related questions. I do want to talk to about a New York Times op-ed piece where this slight omission.

A minor omission style little little oversight time little oversight from New York Times, they they failed to mention that the Palestinian writer who is in jail and speaking about Israeli abuses and things like that they failed to mention he was in jail because he was a convicted mass murderer, a slight little oversight, which then they made up for. Subsequently, I would say that colors how you read things wouldn't you, I would say that colors gratitude towards the person writing that you realize who the person writing is a convicted mass murder, he wouldn't even defend himself in court because he didn't recognize Israeli sovereignty court system actually killed a Greek Orthodox priest mistaken for you. Part of this crime come to that one right here on thoroughly researched the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown daily.com reports yet your love, Pete party leader creation teed slammed the New York Times on Monday for publishing an op-ed by Palestinian terrorist and mass murderer Marlon Barghouti. He says it is intentional deception comes a long rant by Barghouti in which he makes absurd claims of abuse but is really authority slanders Israel throughout, justifies a hunger strike is organized. The Pete noted that the times byline call Barghouti a Palestinian leader and parliamentarian is an error that's an intentional deception quote anyone who reads the column without prior knowledge of the facts will come to the conclusion that Barghouti is a freedom fighter in prison for his views. Nothing is further from the truth. The missing part of the column is that Marlon Barghouti is a murderer convicted of killing several people during the second intifada is the Pete notes lying is no major obstacle for someone's ready slaughtered other human beings without compunction. Barghouti tells horror stories about torture he underwent during Israeli investigations is P there is no factual basis for the stories realities that a convicted terrorist is inventing stories about those in prison as prisoners do prisoners do all over the world. Publishing the piece. The P points as an abdication of journalistic responsibility quote instead of saying to him is responsible newspaper. Should that if he doesn't have a shred of evidence to support his stories in the camp. He published New York Times published in its opinion pages didn't even bother to explain to trees that the authors, a convicted murderer of the worst kind yet we get some more quotes from Mr. Netanyahu weighed in as well of yet will will talk more about that 866-34-TRUTH 7884 starting Southern California Jim. Welcome to the line of fire hall. Dr. Brown very much. Thank you. You're welcome your pistol believers in Christ become cold air which is right and in the gospel. We've got a leaflet with the word Jewish man came to Jesus and they asked him what must we do to inherit eternal life. Could you dig into that for me of that is what it why did they use that particular term inherit and what were they expecting Jesus to say to them or what did they want Jesus to say to them in the sense of earning yet.

The concept really goes back to Jewish interpretation of Leviticus chapter 18 and it says there in verse five you shall therefore keep my statutes and my rules. If a person does them, he shall live by them.

I am the Lord and the rabbinic discussion was this that mean simply live in this world doesn't mean live forever, so that the Targum call Targum UNCLOS a and Aramaic translation of of the five books of Moses, it it says hi Alma eternal life that if you live by them that that you will you will live forever that you receive everlasting life and from from that because there is there is a lot about inheriting the land and things like this. Now the concert of inheriting life and any inheriting eternal life calms and the normal answer would be, by keeping the commandments. If you keep the commandments, you will inherit eternal life nodes in the world to come. That's when you inherit certain things that you don't get in this world and I can't say exactly where the concept of inherit that word came from anyone text but sadly many other texts and concepts led to this idea of inheriting eternal life. And Jesus gives the expected answer, but he gives it in a way. For example, in Matthew 19 with the rich young ruler to expose that there is something lacking in this and that he needs God's grace and he needs to follow Jesus. So Jesus says to that to the rich young ruler who asked the question what must I do to inherit eternal life.

You know the commandments keep these commandments you live by them right and the masses live These all my life in Jesus is one thing you're lacking. So your possessions give to the poor will have eternal life. And then and then follow me and the man leaves him because he has many possessions. So what's what's Jesus bringing out. He's bringing out his failure to keep the commandments which is our universal estate and his need for God's grace because it is follow me if he was truly loving his neighbor as himself in living out the fullness of the Torah required he would sell some of what he had he would give to the poor. He would be more generous.

Jesus is thereby exposing a covetous heart but in doing so. It's not the point. The guide to fleshly righteousness. It's the point him to. You need a deeper revelation of what it means to keep the commandments. And that's only going to come through following me so it's his way of using the law, taking it to its highest application that many people even think about right. You know there is discussion rabbinic literature about lusting with the eyes being adulterous.

Your average person of just reading don't commit adultery.

Think okay as long as I haven't slept with my neighbors wife I'm good. And Jesus takes it higher and says no if you lust after than you've committed adultery in your heart. So here is taking the commandments to a deeper level exposing this man's sin and weakness and saying leave everything. Follow me that's the path to eternal life and that's that is the radical new statement that the Messiah brings America how to recognize their shortcomings against the Torah without the correct yes or yes or and and Paul writes in Romans three that was a purpose in God giving the tour that is perfect and holy law exposes our sin and it shuts every mouth in the history of Israel testifies to that because were judged and judge the judge were exiled and judged. And then the temple still not rebuilt it almost 2000 years and most of his time of scattered around the world.

It's a constant testament to our falling short and needing a Messiah, so that is part of the purpose of the terrace and Jesus simply draws that out absolutely so would be safe to conclude that this man made a statement to Jesus. I Follow laws if I was a child or a young man was he deceiving himself he wasn't he wasn't, of course, only God knows how he was actually living right. Everybody becomes religious at certain points and talks religiously, but Paul says in Philippians 3 that his forces conduct. He was blameless under the law, and Luke one tells us about Zechariah Elizabeth that that they blame us. He kept the commandments. In other words, I believe that there was an outward obedience where people could live according to the law and go through the checklist of observe the Sabbath. I've kept the dietary laws I haven't made brought valves that have an captain and check it off as he according to legalistic righteousness of imperfect but has anyone perfectly love God with all or so whole that their whole heart, soul, mind and strength 24 seven. Is anyone perfectly. Love your neighbor as himself. Has anyone perfectly not coveted, etc. obviously not. So in terms of the deepest and truest sense of the law know he hadn't been keep the commandments.

But he may have been an ethical man living in in obedience to Torah laws as many Jews are today and and yet it's those very laws that would convict them of sin really strikes me after he made statement of Jesus] found that he felt Jesus out log for that young man yeah all what you're saying really helped me understand why Jesus gave such commendation to MRR a feeling of love toward them, because, based on your explanation outwardly, at least he was really trying to honor God in his life that the correct yet again. We don't know how. Truthfully he was speaking but giving the benefit of the doubts and yet this is how I live is have always lived in Jesus and It goes deeper and then I regard it. Regardless of that, that the fact is that he he was bound by his riches. He was, not truly free.

He could not leave everything and follow the Messiah because he was now my earthly riches, and that's a sad thing. So Jesus loving him looks of them and says he sees he cares about him. He does care about this young man and his Allison wants to inherit eternal life, but that the cost in that sense was was greater, and of course it's a free gift that's offered.

But as we know it's a free gift that costs us everything hey Jim, I appreciate the call and the questions in the comments. 866233487884. You've got Jewish related questions we've got Jewish answers phoria become back. She recalls on the other side of the break. If you were listening in the first territory I do want to get your call sister right there if you were listening in the first hour and have questions or comments about my conversation with Rabbi Usher, Mesa, then by all means give me a call. I'm happy to comment on what to do. The way that's fair because he said he would speak for himself. So I was do my best to be fair responding to things when a guest is not on the air with me give a substantial chunk of time in the first hour conversation. Hey, I've got two new articles up today got some brand-new videos watch them leave them@thelineoffire.org to be blessed to be challenged to be equipped to be edified as you do for plan and the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown is rate 7884 we go to Carrie in New Mexico. Thanks for joining us on one of fire had Rabbi make a comment you are talking about how you know that people probably like to change enter people learn drugs or alcohol or whatever holiday urethane that changes their life was something I wanted to point out that, you know, I grew up in a church going to Baptist Church and advocate and I walked away at eight and luckily from all that when I came back and started studying spiritual pinkeye. I jumped straight into Judea and on.

When I started my conversion. I would Judea then teaching on and just learning about quietly changed my application is my life when I realized that God cares about everything working that we do in our life. What we eat, how we how we drank how we treat other people carried out everything I like pot as a child in a Christian church and Christian church. They teach you that you care a lot that you want to keep that evening there not something that we are capable of doing what you completely contrary to Torah Torah that we can do you think it do you love God perfectly with all your heart, soul, mind and strength every hour of every day.

I really think so. I now and I cannot think of the I know that it we can keep it. I definitely think that we don't have to go up and get my things are happening, but it is difficult highlighted GW 30. I'm simply asking you what we consciously fail them was the same toe or predict what is Moses say in the Torah that you can tell the rebellious in my day and so we can be worse after I die. And here's a song of witness to sing against yourselves testify that your evil was the Torah say in Genesis the eighth chapter that the thoughts of human hearts only evil continually from our youth, which is why God is not brought multiple floods of was you have to destroy the world over and over and over and over and over again want to fight that you can read in this way since I Messiah because because we all fall short. That's what we been.

Why have we been in exile this week.

I have an Orthodox rabbi tell me that if you go back the days before reform Judaism to go back a few hundred years.

The vast majority of Jews around the world were religious Jews Torah observant Jews why was still in exile under God's wrath why when you had so many observant Jews in the in the first century.

This error was that was the Temple destroyed as divine judgment because of our wickedness. It you know it's unwise been destroyed all these many centuries. Why why the 10 northern tribes largely scattered and lost to history why we been in exile and judgments onto the topic because because they fall short.

That's the reality.

If if you want to trust in your own righteousness. Go ahead, but I will I put my life against your life.

Any any hour of the day in terms of how I live in the ethics, by which I live in in the sight of God. I greatly compare but I'm actually not depending on the righteous is carried not for a split second because I know I fall short. And that's why we have an atonement system that unknown.

Keep or do you confess lots of sins on Yom Kippur front from the heart, and you generally can mean from the heart.

Okay, so you're not a perfect then you're not that perfect and actually her pain why your so righteous if you love God perfectly 24 seven, then why are you confessing all kinds of ugly sins on Yom Kippur and I know that he does have to be getting any. But we can given multiple kind throughout the where got destroyed and will collect and at that he will bring that destruction. Any he's not giving us what we deserve, but that's why there's an atonement system and that's why throughout the Scriptures, God prepared us for the coming of the Messiah. We need a mediator.

We need an intercessor we had the high priest we had the sacrificial system. Either we don't have it and were in real trouble because the temple being destroyed means the nations under divine judgment or God provided a better way like he promised and sent the Messiah to die for us and carry. I can assure you the people being transformed all around the world. If if if it was a matter of getting them to study Judaism convert to Judaism. They live long, long since been dead it's only God's mercy through Jesus the Messiah stays in it, but I say is that you were raised in a church without ever really knowing God. If you truly know him, you would've understood the assessment of Sabbath observance of what you eat. It's a matter of every last thought that you think is important to God that that the very that that the hairs of your head are numbered know, but I'm saying is a follower of Jesus, you would've realized that that were supposed to go way beyond what the law requires. In terms of what God expects of us that that that that that is not an ethic that just keep the laws it's sink go way beyond that, what what I'm still not following know is appreciative. He had a positive experience with Judaism, but where's was a mercy coming from where's the atonement coming from the whole system got established in the Torah isn't there in less than Messiah came, so I just hoping that God will be nice to you. I pray actually making sure that actually actually turning and heading toward you hit instruction doing action community actually believe that our intention are for good and right and I mean I think you and not wise in atonement system or not, but wise and atonement system why the day of atonement with her blood sacrifices and specific rituals to be carried out, and sin transferred to an innocent victim that within carried away in animal sacrifice, and why was this done. If repentance was enough and you really want to stand before perfectly holy God and said, repented really well look at how well I'm doing, you know, I am really going in the right direction. What about when God shows you that your motive was pride about when God shows that your trusting your own righteousness without when God shows you haven't had sufficient love for your neighbor, but when God exposes covetous thoughts and you and you think why understand have to keep repenting that that in us like it it's it's like dusting off the floor only realize that that's a dirt floor and that's the condition of our of our hearts.

So I get a break coming up here but it think about my question for minute I what are you doing for atonement since the blood sacrifices, the priesthood, the whole intermediary thing is not there. I see the Messiah came, fist on schedule and died for our sins so that we can be made righteous in God's sight better answer.

It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6634 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown Jewish Thursday because of very interesting conversations on the broadcast today and I want to take you into a conversation that I am having with a woman who was raised in a Baptist home. Don't know that you ever had what you call born-again experience did not find her Baptist faith helpful.

Then she converted to Judaism and by learning the laws of the Torah, so that that is what is helped her to grow and and and become an ethical person so might my question is, and this is carried in New Mexico carry where you fall short. We all do you say that we repented and that has to be genuine, but in ancient Israel. Repentance alone was never enough, there was repentance and blood atonement.

The day of atonement centered around animal sacrifices and priestly intercession, and now the temples been destroyed almost 2000 years. I say the Messiah came on schedule. He had to come before the first Temple was the second Temple was destroyed and and die for our senses of sensitive 53 and elsewhere die for our sins. And through that we receive forgiveness, we receive a new heart and now coupled with repentance we receive new life and salvation, what are you doing for atonement.

Since you don't have the atonement system that God requires their prayer and carrying our action. The big thing that prayer and a lot of the way that we receive forgiveness. I don't think that very different than how Daniel also there when the temple and all that kind of a legend, Annie. If people were still praying for God. They were still being repentance to God and we have to act. Anyhow, I would say they receive forgiveness was a city lest we forget, what say they receive forgiveness pathetically. Now I'm the rabbi. It doesn't matter but it doesn't say that doesn't say the receive forgiveness Daniel nine. He's ashamed he's grieved pieces. We weave send and and that's when God reveals to him the the work of the Messiah who would die before the second Temple was destroyed and bring us forgiveness. That's God's answer is, is the Messiah of so number one. It doesn't say that that these are his words right. He's in prayer with fasting in sackcloth and ashes and he says the Lord, the great and awesome God who keeps covenant steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments. We have sinned, and done wrong and acted wickedly and rebelled turning aside from your commandments and rules. If not, listen to your servants the prophets spoke their name for kings or princes, our fathers and told the people of the land. She will Lord belongs righteousness, but does open shame is at this day to the men imputed to the habitus of Jerusalem. It's all Israel. Those who are near and those who are far away and all the last which you've driven them because of the treachery that they have committed against you.

Also, Lord belongs open shame for kings to or princes at your father's because we have sinned against you to the Lord our God, belong, mercy and forgiveness.

We have rebelled against him.

So he's praying for mercy and he sang right guilty all this calamity is come upon us because were guilty were in exile and is asking God to turn away from his wrath and to bring them back to the land to resettle them and what is God's answer have the angel comes with an answer 70 weeks are decreed about your people, your holy city to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and profit and to anoint the most holy place and this is what we now understand the Messiah come and die for sins for the second Temple was destroyed atone for iniquity. This is how it happens, we reject that we reject mercy on file.

The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown, we understand something I can show you clearly by the Hebrew Scriptures that Jesus is the promised Messiah and it threw him receive mercy and new life.

Why, why reject God's mercy especially when he laid it out in the Hebrew Bible. Why reject that why sounding to do it on my own show that I think I that multiple interpretation or the advocate that I have an issue with an with your understanding that you believe it, you got you got hit about that. And because I know that I got at Symantec we are not allowed being in God and worship at absolutely and apply though but it's got appears as a human being like he does.

Sometimes in the Bible and the tour itself, then now I get. Every human being and that also by your interpretation of the people� Intent to what it subject to that I'm talking to Terry New Mexico.

I might interpret this and I'm talking to Boris in Russia. I might interpret on talking to Jos� in Mexico, not New Mexico.

So you know it know in terms of the plain sense yeah you can interpret anything differently. You could say that Daniel was an alien and come up with anything you want to know the plain sense of the passage is that Yahweh at times appeared in human form in the Hebrew Bible and that he's infinite, he's beyond your understanding and the he's not a math course is not a man both that the eternal God, who fills heaven and earth also sits enthroned. And we forget that wisely localized if you fills heaven and earth, and sometimes he appears in uniform and people like CCM or wash his feet or feet him. He sits and eats with them.

This this actually happens.

Now I could I could say that with the Bible saying it doesn't mean I can say that with the Bible saying is, is the words have other meanings, but then at that point in the skies the limit right was Russian. One plus one is to what I actually mean is, get on a plane and go to Arizona though so them words alone have meaning. So this is what the Bible tells us so it were the one eternal God sat enthroned in heaven fills universe with his presence, and at times comes down lives among us, sometimes for a few hours, sometimes in this case for a few years white. Why can he do that I'm only worshiping God I worship a man only worship God. I have difficulty starting Lidster here Jesus is the prophesied Messiah. The Messiah had to come and bring atonement to Israel before the second Temple was destroyed. And it says plainly that he be rejected by his own people become a light for the nations would die for sins and yet rise. I'm sure that plainly and in Scripture. So let's put aside his divine nature from it. Why not start by recognizing him as our promised Messiah and then finding out if the Messiah is divine or not, because only one Savior, God's only Savior and then ultimate glory only goes to God's it would make sense that the newness and see he does us himself, but why not start with recognizing him as the Messiah and then put aside the question about his deity and what we get to that.

Secondly, when I first accept the testimony of Scripture that the Messiah had to come die for our sins for the second Temple was destroyed and who else did it and who else was rejected by his own people, and it became a light to the nations as God says in Isaiah 42 and is therefore not his salvation might go to the ends of the world that's been who was is that why not start by accepting God's mercy through him. As it says in Isaiah 53 all of us. You may all of us like sheep have gone astray, each one turned was only if the Lord has laid on him who the Messiah, the guilt of all of us by his wounds were healed. We thought he was die for his sins was actually dying for our sins. Well, except that first and then wrestle with the other issues about his divine nature and and see what Scripture actually says wants for their argument going back to you or contact Israel not having Israel's impossible so I Isaiah 41 to 2, 53, the word servant occurs 20 times. Sometimes it's explicit, my servant, Israel. Like in Isaiah 41. Sometimes it's an explicit that's it. It's an individual sent Israel like is there 49 were God says that that he that his servant is sent to regather Israel of sometimes is clearly individual, like Isaiah 50 with the server. The Lord has the hair ripped from his beard and he spat spat in his face so and when Israel is mentioned as a nation over and over Israel, sinful, Israel's blind and deaf as a nation if just go through Isaiah 41 to 55 or 41 to 53.

That exact context. Again you see evidence servant occurs 20 times there, but the servant there servant Israel national Israel is deaf, dumb and blind.

Isaiah 50 God's is because of your sins. I I I sent you into exile, so Israel is guilty and suffering in the nations because of its sins. If the servant of Isaiah 53 is not guilty. He's called righteous and says he's done nothing wrong. No deceit is on his lips. Note no guile and yet he suffering so who is it referred to Hereford to the nation of Israel because the nation of Israel is guilty. It would be like if you go to jail and some just got sentenced to 10 years in prison for for crimes that they confessed to committing to their suffering for their own sins in prison.

But this is someone who's not guilty. Suffering for the sins of the nation. So it's referring to one within Israel. This will who fulfills the mission of his reverent Jesus himself as an Israelite.

He fulfills the mission of Israel being the perfectly righteous when dollars for since we can't possibly under any circumstances refer to the nation of Israel and remember the Torah blessing and curse his Leviticus 26 Deuteronomy 28 that that if if the nation of Israel obeyed. Then we be the head, not the tail may be established in the land.

If we disobeyed we be exiled and scattered in the nations and enhance that's what happened to us through history so we're scattered in the nations because of our sins. If the servant is suffering for his sins but fruit for the sins of those who smoke him and his suffering brings them healing our being exiled nations to bring healing to the nations it brought destruction to the nations so I do know possible circumstances refer to the text in Isaiah 53. Refer to the nation of Israel has to refer to righteous individual within the nation where no wine to everyone because better that they were talking cannot will actually he's not so in in Exodus 32, when Moses says God lot the matter my if you take them then blot me out of your book and and God still brings judgment right but he he does, he does hold back wrath from the rest of the nation. But where is the principal. Isaiah 53 tells us right there thinks there's the tax that that the Lord laid on him the iniquity of all of us. You are saying that God laid on the nation of Israel. The guilt of the whole world unseen of God laid on one person within Israel.

The guilt of the whole world was saying the same thing just disagree as to who the subject is an end in numbers at 35th chapter.

When the high priest when the high priest die. Even though there was no atonement for bloodshed when the high priest die that his death would not release the man slayer sorted and innocently killed someone and they had to be in the city of refuge that that his death would would take the place of that person and the bloodshed that they had that they were accidentally guilty of in the Talmud asked the question what atones for that mail of the time that he spent in the city of refuge flee for his life or was it the death, the high priest is the death of the high priest atones traditional Judaism says that Isaac of being offered up by his father Abraham that that was a sacrifice because of which God forgives future generations even know he didn't actually die, so this is this is certainly something taught Judaism in volume 2 of my series answering Jewish objections to Jesus and then in one of the chapters in the real culture. Jesus, I open up the Jewish teaching of the atonement power the death of the righteous. I'm simply saying there's only one righteous enough and that's the Messiah, so we must repent carry those I can simply say what Jesus died for me and live a godless life.

Note we must repent and turn to God and say God forgive me, cleanse me wash me clean. I acknowledge my sin. I acknowledge my my failures wash me clean. Give me a new heart and thank you for for paying the price for my sins, and now we live redeemed and change life but I get that from the Hebrew Bible right we we still got a couple minutes stay right there. I hope friends listening you find this conversation fruitful, and I don't think Terry would mind if you prayed for God to open her eyes to history would mind praying that the police� Open our eyes to the truth. Give us the courage to follow her plan and by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and 884. So back to it to carry in New Mexico.

I do appreciate you calling and having this interest but what I what I'm struggling with is I understand you raised a Baptist home understand that you didn't meet encounter God in a real way. There understand you for your life is helped improve by converting to Judaism, but as I'm showing Scripture in an giving you answers. I am not a rabbi, not claiming to be. But what if I'm right, I think you have to admit that I'm raising arguments that you don't have ready responses for that.

I have an answer for everything.

You're asking what's stopping you from again.

Put aside the question of the deity of the Messiah and what Scripture actually says about that but putting that aside, what's stopping you from receiving God's mercy through Jesus the Messiah.

Since he he sent his son so he could have mercy on us. When I receive that mercy, one that talked about that we will all know that because it anyway. Clearly state that even a Gentile nation that I have rebuilt out and does that mean that you and even they will pay him again at that depth of the 100 years or right time can you give me one text that says that I wanted that Isaiah 53 liking no. 5213 is about this individual is now 5052 5213, 253 friends talk about handling entire report that's Israel speaking about the Messiah, who is believed our report exactly that's what we talk about that's Israel talking about the Messiah that we rejected him and and and it cannot mean they cannot possibly mean that that at the end of the age that the Gentiles will say oh wow, Israel is really the servant of the Lord and we got it wrong know the Gentile nations according to the book of Ezekiel will say all Israel wasn't XL because of its own sin. That's with the Gentile nations are to say Israel was in XL because of its sin.

That is his righteousness. So where it wears or even a single text that says when the Messiah comes who do this and this and this. You don't even have that has to be interpreted so I'm saying yes when the Messiah returns of establish his kingdom on the earth.

Let me ask you question if if you're watching Jew, like any sports at all okay baseball let's say the New York Yankees are playing the Boston Red Sox okay and let's say the Yankees really not doing well after after five innings. Can the New York Mets come in and play the rest of the game for them now know so they want to confess the game visiting the start of the game right right okay if watching the football game that have really bad first half you can send in another team in the second half the monthly second-half something for set a president can only serve two terms with a certain first or so. The only one who can do part two of the Messiah's mission is the one who did part one of the Messiah's mission, so we know what had to happen before the second Temple was destroyed. To repeat, the Messiah had to come die for our sins and rise from the dead, be rejected by his own people and and become a light to the nations. He had to do that before the second Temple was destroyed so the only one who can possibly fulfill the other prophecies about regathering the exiles rebuilding the temple or establishing God's kingdom on the earth and destroy wickedness so we can do part B is limited Parnate anywhere that I will be part it what it says is is going to be highly exalted but first he's going to suffer terribly it's it's going to suffer and die, but is going to live on the time off it. Also, in one passage in Zechariah 9. This is going to come riding on a donkey, meek and lowly in Daniel seven. It's is going to come in the clouds of heaven. So the rabbis of the Talmud asked what's gonna be meek and lowly riding on a donkey or come in the cause of heaven and the answer is if were righteous, so come in the clouds of heaven for unrighteous who come riding on a donkey, but the tongue off the Scripture says can be both silt. Of course, we both it's it's one Messiah was two phases to his mission because he's he's not just a king but he's a priestly kingdom as a priest is to make atonement for our sins so why, why reject why have to enroll in all honesty were just about out of time, but why try to find answers to refute what I'm telling you rather just accept God's mercy through the Messiah and realize that you made a good shift to appreciate Judaism and its beauty in the Torah and all of that, that's positive that's great, but you you throughout the Messiah. In the meantime you just you. You discovered a lovely boat but it's it's sitting on the land is. This is meant for the water and and and you throughout the ocean when got the boat want to put the two together and discover the faith that God really wants you to have a rabbi. I know you not a rabbi, but now you have to go back to the rabbis and and get answers as to why I'm wrong is a posted. Taking the text at face value.

So here want to make appeal to our right and you did calling you call the show so I felt like a Latin and and track you down so number number one number number one. Please recognize. You need God's mercy carry on your very best days are not as good as you think you are, we fall short of God's standards and perfection.

And if he shows you selfishness that sin you or self-righteousness and sinew or greed or covetousness rent forgiveness for lost or who knows what selfishness. This failure will of God perfectly what this human race.

You may be one of the sweetest people out there but that's the human race. This the human race and and will be mercy don't don't just go. The rabbis looking for when refute me go to God is okay. I know Dr. Brown singing with the rabbis saying both using the same Bible, God, I just want to please you. I just want to be faithful to you have to eat some humble pie you have to say okay I made some mistakes, but God's waiting for you in his mercy and he hasn't let you go if you are 100% sure you wouldn't be struggling during this call, so I'm praying for you. Ask your listeners to pray for Carrie open your heart to God and then just get a loan and take out your Bible diskette alone. Isaiah 5213, 253 12 right just get along, please would you do that get alone with God.

Get on your knees like the prophets of old like Daniel did.

Salma did in a tough diskette alone. Get on your knees leading out of Mexico whose mission recognizes Jesus the Messiah say God I believe the first step thanks friends report special broadcast