Why Israel Matters; Spiritual Insights on the News; More Thoughts on Islam; and an Interview with State Senator Tom Coburnn

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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown issue of our time and must be stopped is your chance to march against sharia marks for human rights monitor Primerica future. That was the voice of Brigitte Gabriel. She led the marches against sharia in 20+ cities in America this past weekend and some marches there is there's actually violent disruption by protesters against the March others widely branded them as Islamic folds and it leads us to the question again. What is Islam. What is real Islam. When year ago today. The tragic murders at the gay bar. The pulse bar in Orlando and you know what happened there radical Muslim who identifies with ISIS. When in shot up the bar and killed 49 people just under unreal tip to think about this a one year ago. It is in Brigitte Gabriel is saying we need to march against that being in our country is this is this of that stirring a patent against the Islamic faith, which is a fine good peaceloving faith is it something that is stirring up action and awareness against the murderous nature of Islamic you say hey there, peaceloving Muslims and their violent Muslims and where march against the violent Muslims, 866-34-TRUTH it's 866-34-TRUTH 7884. Let's grab clip number two. This is more from Brigitte Gabriel as she's explaining the march against sharia. These events took place on Saturday which is also the birthday of our oldest daughter generate. Let's listen again to Brigitte Gabriel a chance to sell stream media American terrorist letters like poverty Law Center and the ACLU that we will not be silenced. We will not allow their phony Christ, phobia to prevent us from standing up our nation are true human rights. We are playing our enemies unnoticed going to roll over for you. Like Europe and in one. One more quote from Brigitte Gabriel China refugees coming here who are bringing in this murderous ideology, not someone who is in need of resettlement who was fleeing persecution and was to leave live peacefully among us, in which case we do our best to open our borders to let folks in, so they can take refuge here and build a new life here.

Take advantage of the many liberties and benefits we have in America. No, there are those that come here because there fleeing persecution.

They come here with their own radical ideology and it is that radical ideology that they want to put forward and it is a murderous ideology. Listen to what she has to say Jesus to America, bringing best practices used do you purge movement fought for our rights not only mutilate American girls in the name of culture or religion limit in the name of honor access Georgia or New York.

We will protect American girls from your barbarity. If you want to live among us� Our culture speak this language and obeying our Constitution. We I'm not going to allow some real nice time in America are your leaders preaching hate mosques harboring terrorists.

You are on notice that giant has awakened what what you saying may sound strong and militant. She's forceful in her speech, but what you speaking against terrorism and to the extent that that terrorism is associated with Islam. She speaking against Islamic terrorism and we all should this. We pray for the salvation of Muslims, but let me ask you a question. If you knew that a radical Islamic cell group was going to move into your neighborhood's four different families say were going to move into your neighborhood and now all needed one house to plot out how to destroy your community and and blow up your your schoolyard with the children playing it. Would you say all the wonderful were so glad you're coming in and will bake you a cookie would you alert the authorities and say we've got a radical cell group in our air that wants to kill her children.

If you pray for people's souls, but but we we are wise did it.

If you had someone who was a child molester convicted child molester who is now out of prison. Would you have that child that person babysit your kids would you put them in charge of of the children's church or nursery in your school.

Obviously not children's church and in in your new church.

Obviously you wouldn't do that it sold what she's talking about is terrorism which is tremendous radical Islam and the fact of the matter is that this is an Islam that traces its roots back to the Cronbach to Mohammed. Now you say, but there are many peaceloving Muslims there many Muslims that that are very kind and and hate what ISIS and Al Qaeda do in fact they get killed by groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda. No question about that. No denying of that for a moment, but what does that have to do with fighting the radicals and combating the radicals here. If you say no, no, no we don't. We don't we don't believe in sharia law and no we don't believe in chopping off the hands of say a thief that's caller storming and adulterated � sort or death penalty for someone who converts from his lawsuit, Christianity.

We don't believe in that.

Okay she would be a so-called moderate Muslim, then you should be also marching against sharia rather than calling the marchers Islamic folds. That's the problem here.

Now let's take this a step further, which is the more authentic expression of Islam. It's interesting. I have had. I'm just thinking dialogue with 12345 maybe six Christian experts on Islam. One of them says it's debatable as to which is the truest expression of Islam, the, the violent or the peaceloving all the others say the violent violence expression is the truest expression and has its roots in the carotid Mohammed and these Muslims today who are moderate. There are no different than say a liberal Christian.

It is believe in the resurrection of Jesus is not really Christian or liberal Christians are so yeah two men could marry to women Cabarrus of denying the Bible that really Christian and if if they hold to that view. So the Muslims today or the last hundred years or so that we be pushing for reform, and say no no no this is not the real expression of our faith are they just like liberal Christians. So I posted on her Facebook page. Over the weekend. The question that if you are a Muslim you be pray five times daily's for the man in you faster in Ramadan and you made that the pilgrimage to Mecca you plan to do the five pillars of Islam that is giving in the confession that that is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. If you uphold the five pillars of Islam. Do you believe there should be a death penalty for leaving as long and that if you don't hold to the five pillars of Islam distill a police to consider yourself a Muslim and to the second question sums it well were still Muslims, but that we won't receive the same reward or things like that because you without is religious but still still Muslims that based on what we believe is so you're not a real Muslim but there Muslims I interacted with who were very friendly, very gracious had studied a lot of the relevant verses in literature and were insistent that countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or Ron do not represent Islam that there should be no death penalty for conversion that this is a day for reformation and for exchange of ideas, not for violent conquest by the sort that many would say while you're there renouncing real Islam for this form Islam in their mind. This is real as well.

But all that to say that people like that, then they should join us in marching against sharia and now support the margin.

There may be elements of the March that that are totally different with the maybe white supremacist marching for Fr�ulein or other hate groups, but this much I do know that allegiance to sharia law and allegiance to the Constitution cannot be done simultaneously fully that cannot beat. There is a fundamental contradiction or see about Arthur. Jewish communities and they have their own laws very, very religious Jews parts of Brooklyn and they have their own courts and their own laws of the and and yeah okay it is based on the Jewish mentality of were exiles were passing through the live within a culture, but take care of ourselves as opposed to the Islamic view which is little by little gain more power, more ground and then enforce our laws and others. Also, not stoning adulterers and that there they're not stoning homosexuals, and they're not chopping off the hands of thieves.

The Jewish court, so there are fundamental differences as well. So Muslims run America should join us in marching against sharia law and they should thank us if you haven't read one of my three recent articles written in the last oh 2448 hrs. rebar article, another failed attempt attempted to defend sharia law and Islam and of this article, Brigitte Gabriel set spot on another failed attempt to defend sharia law in summer, I refused the liberal attempts to shoot down the arguments against sharia law. Check it out on the website asked Dr. Brown.org] will take some calls will be returned for cleansing. It's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown truth is the number to call because I'll be leaving for Israel, immediately after the broadcast today opening the phones for calls that are off topic from what I'm talking about and will will intersperse some of those along the way. Also tomorrow I I have put together important broadcast. It was late last night I finished packing. I was going to wind down. I just got bird. No, no, I need to put the show together it's it's based on three simple words command in Scripture love one another. Don't miss tomorrow's broadcast of semi chemist would live up Gemma wrap yet. Debbie downloaded the app. No art is the line of fire app for your cell phone for your your android for your Apple cell phone that's vast majority of all cell phones out there.

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866-34-TRUTH right we will take a break from our current subject and go to the phones in Denver Colorado. Michael welcomes line of fire. Hello, I got Dr. low hello Mary yeah go ahead, I would not on app downloaded but I learned a lot from you and you debate productive so I learned a lot from you one thing that I do agree with you the courtly in my view it. Why sure go ahead after nearly an external though I would hear that you later, but that's the use those words. I will soon lose us a forfeit will be based on basically if you turn away from God and you. When the light of doing quarrying and you live like Dr. not here for your topic you most fundamentally deny the Lord. Most most fundamentally right that exactly have an agreement to if it's it's it's radio so you gotta be as concise as you can Belanger computer 1.3 being born again are preferable by the one God with Leavitt about it forever, though, when you're born again you get a brand-new Inc. P and get a brand-new pair now when you spend it in your black letter. When you think that Carolyn mocha Kirk somebody entered your class doing that when you when you have when you have unbelief listening six transient 71 where Paul exhorts us to cleanse ourselves from everything that defiles flesh and spirit with the means by that. You had to file a claim or so from everything that defiles flesh and spirit, and request that you are going to court. Luckily Becky born in new born again incorruptible date of God can "die or are paid not in a good no event but I think that associate here's a question for you when you say I want to go back to something you are claiming that all sin is called for more flesh. So why does Paul warn us about things that defile our spirit. You just tell me what he means by that. Well if you're on record that the point of being born again out of it but just tell me just for just exegete second Corinthians 71. Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that defiles flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God would be a part of what just looking to file your spirit what can defile your spirit requesting so what can you file the new born again. I got putting it. What you see that scientist has rather you just misread. See it doesn't say in incorruptible spirits is incorruptible. See the seed of new life that God put within us have agreed we received it by faith, we can forfeited by unbelief.

In another words the gift from God is an eternal gift and if I refuse that gift, then God will not force me to stay and if I if I in my spirit in my heart say I don't want to follow the Lord and God forbid, that's what I say that's not my quote/semi physical body that that's it. It's a decision of of who I am. That's what Jesus says if you deny me. I'll deny you and Paul writes that as well. If we deny him will deny us regulatory hurdle here I given them eternal life. Priority eternal literally think about the beginning without an exit or duration everlasting and immortal. So if you have eternal life at beginning does not have beginning rent that it currently can't believe something and play their new born. The new feed from God, but you're saying it has no beginning, but we receive it at a point in time see your mistaking what God does. God. Making global so much so Michael simply just ask you this.

And just to be clear, you know that you're saying right you should have a child right so it is impossible.

The matter what you do, no matter how you live.

No matter how much sin you commit no matter how much you deny the Lord, you can become a Buddhist serial killer, but you're still saved better left.

Thank you.

Just just answering it Simplot so you could theoretically be a Buddhist serial killer and you're still safe and and die in your Saturn denouncing the name of Jesus, and you're still saved you clear okay that's a manager that's that that's the that's the serious danger and that's why I want against that if you symbol God would not let that happen to me from a true believer fine American fights on that. But first John three tells us that no murderer has eternal life.

In Matthew seven Jesus is not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my father and second Peter two says for someone who wants knew the truth and then turns away from it it and that they receive life you know truth, it would have been better for them never to have no meaning there.

The final state will be even more so what I would encourage you to do is not good so theoretical on this Michael and and Bono just with respect we've done whole shows on this and I know me don't even take calls on it because we've covered it so many times. Don't be so theoretical you crack if you are truly a child of God.

It will be demonstrated in your life if you spend the rest of your life is a Buddhist serial killer. You knew you would never really save you forfeited your salvation, but certainly that is not salvation you live like that pay at a time, but thanks it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker, and Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown, welcome to the line of fire, a Michael, but if you're still listening. I try to get a mess in future.I've got a guest joining shortly so I gotta change subjects but literally done whole shows the question of once saved always saved or debated, so check those out.

Go to the line of fire.org.

Click on listen and then search through the shows there, you'll see that we've covered this issue many times and I normally don't take calls on because we've gone through it so many times but I appreciate your calling, I would simply ask you if your position is right. Why are there so many warnings in the New Testament. Why I am wiser knowing New Testament where it says hate, no matter how you live. No matter what you do not how much you sin you still saved. Why are there no verses in the New Testament that said you would think God would communicate that that was the case, hate this matter. If you deny the Lord does not. If you walk away from the Lord. Doesn't matter if you announce, the Lord doesn't matter if you live in Diane practicing sin you leave your spouse you live in adultery.

You have multiple people you sleep with you you rate people you steal and and you die denying God and mocking him.

Don't worry about it. Yeah, I mean my cost reward in heaven. You might die younger. But hey, don't worry about you're still sick. Why is there not a single verse like that in the entire Bible.

You know what God's word says to rebels in God's word says to to those that rejecting God's word says to those that mocking God's words as to those turn away turn back turn back turn back so I I personally do not hold to perseverance of the saints, which says that if you are truly saved that you will persevere in holiness that if if you fall away. It's only temporary that you will return and and that if you die in sin and disobedience, and denial of the more than you were never truly said I don't hold to that view.

But I respect that few because it does not give a license to say I understand the Scriptures that supported verses like first John two that those that went out from among us were never really of us. First John three that someone who continues in sin is that of seeing God no known God.

So I understand the argument that can be made its argument that I made many years ago, and I respect that argument. My Calvinist friends that says that those were truly safe will persevere holiness and and that if someone dies again in the state of of outright denial of the Lord living in unrepentant sin.

And that's how they die and that's how they live the end of their life, then this will they were never truly saved the problem I have with it is his other verses about warnings don't seem to to fully go along with that. I know the argument is God uses the ones to keep us on the right path, but it it seems the ones that are more theoretical than real, and that you seem to be evidences of apostasy in Scripture and then I don't base my theology on this, but people that I was save with that walk with the Lord for years with me that as far as I can tell, were not counterfeit believers, and they've turned away and been away from the Lord for over 40 years.

Now what I make of that.

Again I will base my theology on that.

But my experience would line up with what I believe Scripture says that it's possible to forfeit our salvation and for those that hold to perseverance of the saints. Perhaps it robs you of assurance because you think I want to deceive myself all know that I'm truly saved when I make it to the end. But again, I I don't fight against that view, I don't argue against that view because it does not give a license to sin. But just think of it, you have someone calling and maybe Amanda called some document has a real heart for the Lord. Now most purity and less to do what's right. Okay five. What if he goes through difficult season.

What if God for bid gets picked off and turns away from the Lord and and now thinks well you know it may be wrong, but whatever I'm still saved, you shouldn't do this, but whatever I'm still saved that that's opening a dangerous dangerous store so I go back to Jacob James into the fifth chapter that if you see your brother straight seem straight turn away and you can bring back and you saved him from death cover most since he would've died and been lost to labeling them back right. We are to switch gears and come back and speak with my friend Larry Thompson file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown friends and spiritual revolution Michael Brown delighted to be with you. My name twice anyway getting ready to leave for Israel, immediately after the broadcast today covering lots of ground God old interview with Sen. Tom Coburn in the second hour will talk about why Israel should matter to all of us a bunch of other things to change gears yet again and speak with my dear friend Larry Tomczak on the front lawn of the culture wars many years.

Hey Larry, welcome to the line of fire. Mike, thank you so much for letting me be with you and I pray for state limits on your trip. Hey, thanks much appreciated. Hey what's what's on your mind these days.

What's with the latest thing you been writing about, well, like you know what they're so much going on as usual in the culture, but recently I noticed that there was some mockery of our VP Mike because he mentioned the fact that he will meet with a woman alone that only very good automated came down on him.

What a mockery. Ridiculous. What kind of beer you referred to, and I think you're aware of it. Many of us have per decade embrace that. I bet all those listing today. The Billy Graham guideline of the Billy Graham and it came out in the 50s. The Modesto agreement were they sat around that. How come some are going down the tubes in ministry and we need to address the areas and what we get to do and so they said would not ever meet with a woman alone while all of this I didn't do a culture today that really just kind of endorsed affairs adultery glamorized effectual stand. Give the path on consequent general category five the Lord and we know Ethan, but many of us we really struggle, we read the sermon on the mount and we were Jesus made it clear that were to steer clear of you know lots not just the act but that everyone will look at a woman with lust murder is already committed adultery with her in his heart. And so Jesus was looking to the sinful heart and I think all of us need a fresh reminder a strong because temptations are everywhere and I like you want to finish well and so I believe we need a fresh reminder. And here we come up on Father's Day and I thought what a gift for everybody to just get some clear directions again on how to dear clear of the subtlety of immorality, adultery so we can honor God with our life and in our marriage and our our ministry. So that's a long respond alright so so what what is it now that's that's going on with with Mike pence, or those in the White House to reinforce this or Bible studies. Are they doing anything to strengthen their or their own walks with the Lord Almighty arming their inspiring magazine this month lifted that nine-member nine of our president's cabinet meet weekly for prayer and Bible study and what they're focused on the sermon on the Mount, and the amazing thing is the church where part appeared in the Nashville area that's exactly what we're looking at the sermon on the mount. It's like a tuneup.

The normal Christian life and I'm I'm inspired to think that you like Jeff sessions and Ben Carson are a) and cabinet members. They are looking at the sermon on the mount and weekly studying God's word so they stay strong.

We know David in the Scriptures, but how does our young man young woman there weep your bike, guarding it, according to thy word that were never stored in my heart that I might not in again and I know that all of our heart. We don't want to lust after individual want to live you over, like, and I know that that you the desire of probably everyone listing today, but you get obstacle been able how do I walk victorious in this area.

It's a struggle, edit it, that know what well should we take away though on what will come back to the to the issue of lust in the in adultery and and marital purity and things like that but the fact that all these different leaders in the White House are studying the sermon on the mount on a regular basis. If I'm a Christian. If I'm praying for the president of the medias attack him. He makes his own mistakes and things like that but but what what should I take away that this is happening because it to me. It sounds pretty significant what it is and we are cute. Yup, you know art are our president is a big race dystonic the lighter and so with that bombardment. I believe this should be a reminder to what God has intervened.

God is using flawed individual, but we see people now that are really committed in a good way to try and do what is right in this nation and make America great glory of God. And so we should be motivated to. I believe, pray, bike first Timothy two says regularly for those in authority to speak well and respectfully honor those in authority and also know the truth so we can address issues when people bring up falsehoods that are circulating in what's called the media or the fake news that is out there, so I wanted you to be discouraged if you just look in the natural but we can be encouraged to know God is at work God is doing great and I'll tell you this bike everyone with me today. I'm right here in Nashville. We prayed and sent out teams to the bottom room music Festival. Folks, this is one of the biggest in the nation in the world you two bought. I mean, I believe, to get but you know I tell you this morning that there were over 750 people prayed to receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior as their teams that we sent out were there tense as people coming and we were praying with them giving water asking what they wanted their dreams interpreted. So you see the negative.

But God does great things we want to be a part of the great thing that bye-bye the way I went lead posted on our discussion about you. Chris is the Gay pride events in our receipt not to go to those witnesses and share the gospel. Yes, otherwise know your uncle participate, but share the gospel. Yes, if you feel led to do it and some folks were upset with dream interpretations what's what's that basically you number one look for people that may be gifted like Joseph or Daniel were that you have insight into dreams and and perhaps God's try to speak to somebody through agreements with get their attention. But the way it's it's it's simply a way to engage someone to get them to open up and and a way to begin to seek with another deceitful thing in your and you're not.

You're not making things up, but just explained that for those that may have taken that wrong.

Well it to me an opportunity to reach out to people that are strolling confused not know what going on honey I'm get ready to go about this week.

You are for high school reunion. Then write back, Lord willing. The Gay pride event. I'll go with my testimony track. I just picked up another 502 point but then when people come to an event like this. You just make you know. Do you have dream. Would you like interpretation on the banner and people stop when he pressured no manipulation and you just say hi you know your district open state.

Do you have during oh yeah, you understand them well.

Sometimes I don't know I get computers there, you know. They scare me. I have nightmares and then use it, whether you know in the Bible.

There's a lot of people that had dreams and God you know will actually try to speak to us in many ways to dreams, would you be interested in sharing something with me. If they say well yeah I keep having a reoccurring and what you trust God for my cute award as it is in the gifts of the spirit in first Corinthians word of knowledge, word of wisdom. You know the gift of of of of prophecy that God could give me in about step out from time I will make it up with my mind, but I'll share them with the person what God gives me and I may have a little image a little like mental picture to share with them and I'll ask them is this how does it bear witness what you do you do you does it resonate with you and it's amazing how many times a look at you with wide-eyed they yeah you know that your opportunity to appeal to white on the harvest might we want to look for every opportunity, and I don't say everybody to go, but for me, and I think mature Christians with our you know pastoral covering. It's a great opportunity yeah and and obviously you've got a lot of people that are there there hanging out that don't know the Lord and that made their people like everybody else. The hurting they have real-life issues. Some of them come from Christian background. Some of them are trying to to work out of town to follow Jesus and practice on the sick, try the same, some say they can't do so. You have all kinds of opportunities like that and again will rely on the Holy Spirit rely on the gifts of the Holy Spirit even praying that God would bring us into contact with the right people that maybe are open and inlet had it happen where we find out afterwards. I give you one quick example and I like you.

Hang on the other celebrate okay because I want to ask you a couple of questions about about being witnesses and being unashamed but we had set up an event. Gay pride event canceled in our city. One year, so we set up an event and preach the gospel and and reached out to the homosexual community and somebody came walking through the park thinking that was the Gay pride event, only to find us a bunch of believers there having a celebration praying and preaching and teaching and it turns out that as our folks got to talking with this individual that her brother had gone to our ministry school was a grad and was praying for Eddie or she comes walking through our event. The harvest field is right one. Larry Tomczak, a lifelong evangelist to just talk to us about sharing the faith for plan by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown takes a much 7884 is the number to call. I want to go back to up to my dear friend Larry Tomczak who has been sharing the gospel sharing his faith loudly, clearly freely with with love with as many people as you can. Over the years and God's given them amazing divine appointments. It's it's wild to see the doors that God is open from over the years to share his faith. But Larry, you know that that a lot of people are afraid to share their faith. They feel intimidated.

I don't want to be rejected there afraid they won't know what to say and yet you have not just been an evangelist, the soul winner yourself. You've encouraged and helped others to do it so let's say I'm one of those struggles.

I'm kinda shy about it. How would you help me. What would you tell me which you have me go out without his first would you give me pointers. How would you help me and maybe many of my list is now the feel of this. How to help them overcome their reticence to share the faith.

Well, like I pass along what I learned from Scripture and those that mentored and help me many years ago and I think you look at Paul's writing done in the faith that some nervousness little bit of fear itself because Paul wrote Jeremy could not don't be ashamed of testifying for the Lord Jesus kibitzing of God has given you a spirit of fear. Good luck, power, 30 you motivated any encouraged himself.

It's good to recognize we all can have some dear lack some boldness also to pray for boldness and I think would help if we gain confidence by watching people that are effective in evangelism. Also, I think it's good to memorize some scriptures that would be key because there's power in God's word but then they couldn't be the year of the pressure off by realizing our quality every day.

The steps of righteous men and women are ordered by the Lord God ordained our steps in each state were called to love.

I know you wrote it. Excellent commenter. I thought this morning about love love by this all men know you are my disciples, and I look for ways as a starting point to build a bridge to make the inroad love people find ways to serve find ways to honor them. I mean of dumping this very day I saw a beautiful African-American family at the mall as I did my walk and there were four children and I said what a great family you've got, and I today got you know what to I think it's Christmas Fourth of July or Father's Day while they laughed Father's Day while in what I link up with people like that for some about a baby I'll say here can I carry this up for when you do that in there there's an opening, and sometimes you don't.

You just maybe will God bless you work a I wasn't always this way. Jesus Christ changed my life and really that's why I am the way I am. I want people think I'm just a good humanitarian so I think if we look for ways to serve and then there's times when you can talk with people in an informal way as you build relationships, draw them out asked them questions I asked the guy yesterday and he's nervous about his future in nationally trying to become a record P&L producer in all and he had apprehension so I try to encourage and then I always encourage people wanted the best, simplest and easiest way to connect with people that little seed put together a little testimony track. I know Mike you have one. I have one and it just if I put a picture myself on the cover. I take a moment ago we met coincident and you just share the simple way to get somebody to help if you're not a good writer and then you know you some steps to how does a person come to faith. How is somebody you know you will bear like Jesus is Lord and why is that so essential and I usually every day on the boat. I honestly three or every day and heaven forbid, when I go to my might, for high school reunion. There should be over 100 guys there from our school, their spouse. And heaven forbid if I just ended four hours in the night that well that was fun. I just feel that the harvest you and I'm not going to blast me, but will talk with people you find out what I like castaway or you know, I have developed cancer you know what I am looking for work and then you can say to people sometimes cry, pray with you but it sure people rarely refuse that event for me. I just did what little something to read this later to tell you about my spiritual journey, and I always do the pressures off and honestly given out 10,080 had 10 people in my life every few and lastly Mike, you know, you mentioned that I get divine appointments with high profile people. I have a Jay Leno Richard Nixon I meet. But I've told people I'm ready with the little lady that cleans the motel room with the girl at the checkout counter. I always try to expect divine appointments to leave for them and be prepared for them and for me this is the method of the master. It's fun and enjoyable and to be extended venture. That's a long long spot but I hope it's like it's rich, it's rich and wonderful right is so encouraging and even reminding me of hate give you give yourself for the lost more and it is an adventure, the more you do it, the more become sliced are here. Here's a more challenging question for you are and we only have about a minute and 1/2. A lot of what you do you do because you love people.

How do we love people more how the white get God's heart for people more well think I asked that very question of a pastor when I was young just getting started in ministry and he said Larry depict two things.

Love is practical and said, except people exactly where they are and number two take a genuine interest in their life except people and then take an interest in its amazing when you get out of the way and demonstrate God's love in that kind of practical way, and then like I said he embellish it in a good way.

With love, deeds and service. I think you and your day you pillow your head and you think and what a great day today that that woman with child that neighbor that guy in the restaurant. To me that's so fulfilling to close out a day and know that I've help people come one step closer to Jesus Christ. SOS as you pray, God give me your heart of love for others and then just do what you know how to do touch a life get involved with someone, meet them where they are then love starts to grow in your heart for people not so isolated and then she while they really have an even while just that that word I spoke to them really encourage them and while that just put Marmur on the shoulder really really meant something to them in that little you know when when just brought some food over to the home is new neighbor that really ministered it.

It is amazing to see what happens. Hey Larry, you have been a great example of the decades I've known you and your light shining brightly. God bless you. I appreciate you just tell our listeners again if they want to do the bull's-eye challenge 30 days video and reading on each of the key cultural moral subjects of the day where they go to find out more.

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Keep shining brightly. Love you brother. I love your man I'll pray for you. Thank you my friends get thing out this of any size go to ask Dr. Brown the Lord asking your Brown Deloitte find out more when the world is swirling all around you when you go right here the line of fire stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I did not see the interview but I saw the quote that if I could tromp said that she was surprised by the viciousness in Washington. Welcome to the real world of Washington DC. It's a world I have not lived with in it is a world that I do not fully understand because I have not lived within it, but if you talk about one of the great spiritual strongholds in the world must be Washington DC for better or for worse, this is Michael Brown. In a moment I am going to speak with former Sen. Tom Coburn about his new book, smashing the D. C.

Monopoly using article 5 to restore freedom and stop runaway government, former US Sen. Tom Coburn will will be talking about that in a moment of this book.

Mark Levine says we the people can limit the spending limit the regulation and limit the time in office, smashing the DC monopoly is essential for any politician who loves liberty for all of us who want to hold our representatives accountable will be talking with former Sen. Coburn in a moment. I did a lot of writing over the weekend some new books that I'm working on, as well as several articles you can read them by going to my website ask Dr. Brown.org KSK DR Brown.org I've written about the anti-sharia marches and the protest against the marches that say their misrepresenting Islam and asked the question who is being true to the Islamic sources wrote an article about the stranger than fiction story of Bradley now Chelsea Manning you told this whole story and advance people to suggest crazy can happen and it's happened it's it's real life. So if you place a bit of the novel based on the story some of its it's crazy knoll. Believe it was happens. I got an even new twist ending.

If you write a story about it. The twist happy ending with about that as well as an article I felt led to to write last night on the do an entire radio show about it tomorrow. Love one another. II just I was grieved by the lack of love for one another in the body we have differences we can have them in such ugly ways that I am 100% for speaking the truth, but we speak the truth in love, only more concerned with proving that we are right, rather than helping those who are wrong and just been burdened by that but I see some of the sniping and attacking junk on social media agrees me deeply so I wrote about that last night. All these articles you can read by going to my website ask Dr. Brown dog org and then again tomorrow the entire broadcast especially prepared for your services shows over today.

Literally I'm out the door with my assistant Dylan heading to the airport, doubling to fight Israel and will be ministering in Israel then ministering in Germany yet was in Germany just a week ago, but the back in Germany at another conference of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation in where we go from here, think so will be busy will be broadcasting gobbling from Israel and from Germany and have some special interviews for your but I won't be taking calls while I'm away.

So if you had a question you want to ask me or you were planning to call on Thursday or Friday little later, the shogun open the phone lines for your questions and I'll be happy to hear from you, even if it's totally off-topic of our subject. I'm in switch topics here and there and focus on different calls and some email questions I have. So 866-34-TRUTH is number to call me come back will speak with former US Sen. Tom Coburn's new book, smashing the DC monopoly right back in the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 86. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown in the segment.

I announce to you the new book, smashing the DC monopoly. The author Dr. Thomas Coburn was a practicing physician, Oklahoma two 2015 three served as a US representative from Oklahoma 95 to 2001, but pledged to serve only three terms of three two-year terms and after that 2004, he ran for the U.S. Senate and served two terms.

2005 to 2014. In that sense of Dr. Coburn's is absolutely a Washington insider, but he is said plainly in his new book, smashing the DC monopoly. If you're looking for a solution from inside Washington.

The exact quote Americans will face further disappointment if they continue to wait for solutions from Washington ascended Coburn. Thanks so much for joining us today on the line of fire like obviously you have a perspective that the vast majority of Americans don't have the perspective of someone who served within Washington and who knows the system who knows life within the Beltway.

Why did you feel the need to write this book and and give it such a strong and forceful title well article having spent 15 year period of my most productive life trying to reduce the size of the federal government restore the concrete principal gave and learning that it can't be done in Washington.

I left the Senate two years early and hope to start awakening the stage to the option they have. And most people get a smile on their face when they find out they can actually make a difference in Washington they don't have the represent an extra convention specter founders gave it to us. They knew we were going to need to use now more than ever that we need to use the and it's a way for us to rein in the federal government to limit the actually nonconstitutional implications that come from unelected bureaucrats in Washington and to start putting our house in order so that we actually don't jeopardize her children and so you know I would Washington try to fix our country and think long-term. What I saw was short-term thinkers who are interested in political careers not fixed our prop. So how would you then define the DC monopoly the DC monopoly is a confiscation of power from the state and individual freedom collectively grabbed by both Supreme Court, the executive branch and Congress and implemented through unelected bureaucrats in Washington. In an act, a heavy toll of both, and loss of freedom, on the average American, why, why would these different branches of individuals do such a thing could have been a leader all you have to do is look at. There's never been a Republican survive.

For the longest spamming Republic ever the George Mason plasma constitutional convention that they had a fit. Do you know of any time in history were central government voluntary voluntarily faded back power to never happen. And so what we've seen is this accumulation of power and the filmmaking moved to Washington where people are disconnected from the reality of the individual state and disconnected to the best interest of people in the individual in our founders intended for the states to be the powerful portion of this relationship in terms of decision and so that that's gone, that's no longer there and let's either through Supreme Court decisions that have ruined the commerce clause or through its overgrown expansion of the executive branch and also through the evening of the responsibility and power of the Congress to the executive on-site, but so now we find ourselves with hundred $44 trillion in unfunded liability, and that we we have a federal government bureaucrat told him at water be in a total of what life avoid and how long her food should last, regardless of what the five may show behind the appellate how to build a highway because the percent more than if we built it around spec that lasts just as well and get a highway and run in our education: Powell educator kids, which is by yeah and and sometimes you can talk about some of this can sound abstract in the Seaway we we get our schools don't seem to be doing that well in and in you that the roads don't seem to be get in and why. Who told us which, like multiuser people start you must wait it is there little bit of overreach here. Is there something happening that that ought not to be happening.

Sen., in your view and you can speak with total can you don't have to worry about the offender don't offend when press. I never all right will get good but just either your courteous and things like that in a wonder you know which type of show you're on, but when Pres. Trump speaks about draining the swamp number one is he talking about the same thing your time and number two is it possible for it to be done within DC know it cannot particleboard be done here. Talk about thinking I don't think you can grind. I think the power vested interest not in the best interest of our country will control about what you can do is you can put a muzzle on the alligator that are in and we do that through an article 5 amendment convention that forces them into about budget using good accounting generally accepted accounting, limiting the scope and jurisdiction of the commerce clause, which is what gives the power of all these agencies the palace of the state will do through misinterpretation of spring court 1931 and limit the terms of both appointed elective, but you do the very thing our country will come back a lot. You don't want to think about people don't realize that we have 100 million American never seen America was American's greatest like they don't know what we can and what they think is there willing to accept what the steps close to that growing less than 2% of high high percentage of people not getting educated me think about what that implies, and a deficit for the millennial generation of 30,000 books per year in their standard of living, we will act responsibly. All right, so CUC right now as as our nation polarizes in different ways shows you're like California on the liberal side single week we may just secede from the union in Texas and the conservative civil meet. We may just secede. What can states actually do. I mean, people would hear this and think okay I bother what to do. How do we do it when we seemed paralyzed by the power of Washington and its his eyes to talk about it, but how he actually do this. Welder 2.3 million people helping her right so if you want to restore the balance of power.

If you want to limit walked in, and bring back power to your own state representative or you can actually have an ample if you want to protect her kids going for. If you want to limit the scope and jurisdiction of unelected bureaucrats.

The new candidate and here's what you can you go to convention the state that.com you can sign up to be one of the volunteers around the country learn about what were doing to call your representative to sign a petition and asked that representative to sponsor convention of states as they resolution is nothing the government only the legislature and become another state that actually has passed 12 states have already passed, and an article 530 go have two thirds of the states of 34 to were well over 1/3 of the way there and you can actually make an individual difference by becoming part of the grassroots army is going to fix her country. Most people are aware of the Washington, depressed no way we can change things we can change with it. But the final and that's because were treating symptoms and not the disease is out of control extraconstitutional government. Now that our founders never foresaw never expected to happen in terms of the link with, but they did put in this safety valve for us. The state to call a convention of amendment to change the Constitution to the brain and the power of the Washington government and restore the power of the as it was intent so they can do something and they can do it tomorrow. I can read this book and understand the history letter founders prevent why we need to do it, how it work out will come about quiet thing and why is the only solution that enough to fix the problem and since the book smashing the DC monopoly, former US Sen. Tom Coburn, MD using article 5 to restore freedom and stop runaway government; to have just a couple more minutes to answer a few more questions or if this and we got we got a break in about 45 seconds, but can you give us the quickest overview of article 5 article 5 says in the Constitution whenever two thirds of the states agree that they want to have amendment the Constitution, they can call an amendment convention Congress at the time and location they have to bacon me. They can make amendment to the Constitution.

All they are the only art recommendation that they have to go back to the state and 38 after agree that these recommendations are what thoughts are: an amendment convention made up of commissioners from every state, each to get 1000 friends. We got a few more minutes with US Sen. Tom Coburn's new book, smashing DC monopoly is like urgent reading to me will be like that. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown I mentioned in the very segment of this hour that Yvonne Trump said that she was surprised or shocked by the viciousness of Washington was his viciousness.

You've got a real stronghold.

There and former US Sen. and medical Dr. Tom Coburn has put his focus on that stronghold in the new book, smashing the DC monopoly article 5 to restore freedom and stop runaway government. Sen. Coburn, what about term limits is is that something that would go a long way to solving this problem as well. Well, it would change the dynamic of the conflict term limited myself every time, and it really helped me focus on why was there not the next election, and the other thing is when you put term limits when you get a whole different group of people running for office to get people who are experienced in real life and panic occur politician and so what happens is you bring with them experienced judgment that most of the groups don't have. So yeah, I think it is the third plank of what we've asked for in our application for an article 5 convention is putting term, not just on them but on federal dented and on average a deferred federal good assert, service, the first hundred years.

Our country was secure while not 32 like it is. I don't what happened is that they came with experience that server. The timely you and they also want serving at a point where they want effective anymore. I just read about a boxing judge. There was a boxing match and it was an overwhelming victory for fighter a over fighter B and this guy scored it right but he mixed up the two people so when it was read publicly that the guy that lost overwhelmingly was was given one verdict that he won, and the guys in the band from from doing this because he sees 80 any office. He was not sure he saw the thing correctly but they realized he was declining in scope this this is for a boxing match, we can say okay you know you're not that sharp anymore. We can have you. And yet we have lifelong justices that could who knows how sharp they are but they can still be functioning. That's a but that's that's an aside, and obviously not the only part of the problem with the first two planks then that you put forth earthlike be financially responsible about budget amendment using generally accepted accounting and without raising taxes tax limitation amendment along with it so that the crew politician has to make the heart to it right now. They don't they just pass it on down and and target market. The second component is the limit. Return the federal government back to the scope of what you know so all Thomas Jefferson said this about education is the father of modern education out of University of Virginia with more education, but he said for the federal government to be involved in education would require an amendment to the constant. We spent $3.7 trillion in 1976 in education in America federally and there's not one parameter that's better at most of our work that may or may not be associated with the federal government but active is when the federal government: local school board what they can and can't do that.

We got real problem because it should be teachers, parents, and administrators, spam, but we can and can't do when it comes that really you absolutely need and that the common core push now is making many more more aware of this and just just one case in point, you mentioned in the book the in drama at the Indiana turnaround under Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels proves that real determination to reduce government spending and debt can succeed without a decline in public service, a senior symbol of the pie she put for these things can be done but when there's no point in her car, so there's no experience in the politicians and what do it. Number two, there's no will to do it because when you when you cut spending, especially when it's wasteful, that has a constituency and I don't want to hear from lack of fitness so they just don't cut. I took $400 billion with the spending that was was concluded by the Government accountability to the Senate budget. Let's get rid of dull dictation waste brought let's try to build. I couldn't get anybody to help with rare exception, could not get anybody to help me do that. And the reason is when you ask him why. Now all that waste has a constituency. I want to make people my so they'd rather let our kids fall through the cracks in the future then fixed the real problem that's the problem with career politicians.

They refused to make hard choices because our choices impact their political and so we have this is I want to be popular whether there other than I want to be trusted and we can have statesmen that are trusted but not her, but he always agrees with them, but they still trust them to do the right thing at the right time for the right even though the disconcerting downside of fact of doing the right.

We have to embrace courage again in our country with the lead from current with the lead from integrity and character centered leadership that sacrificial this is my political career to matter. What matters is the future of our country. So with with that then just in our last minute Sen. you have you have hope for America is. Is it too late to turn the ship. Would you have hope that things could be restored to what was initially intended. Oh no I can be restored, but the American people are going to be the people have. That's why this grassroots army that we have and were billed in order to grow to about 10 million people. We hope that volunteers will help us hold legislators accountable in the statehouse actually put control back on the balance of power was actually given to the state legislator. They have the power to control the federal government but just to make what we want the states to do is to call this convention so we can actually put the genie back in the box and limit the federal government and analytic decisions be made close to home or we can actually have some impact on so our prayer. But here's a final point on a big government smothered her liberty, but more importantly, it smothered the desire at that how Republic that's that's sought to leave the solicitor for sure in the website again to go to convention of states.com) for smashing the DC Republic not expecting the DC monopoly yet convention of states.com. The book by former US Sen. Tom Coburn smashing the DC monopoly.

Thank you sir for your courage in speaking the truth may America be changed. I appreciated. Thank you so much pleasure publish it all right friends, that's certainly eye-opening and certainly test this is a lot to chew on. This is a whole different angle of what I normally focus on it. As you know, my conservatism comes from being a follower of Jesus, and believing in and the morals that God puts forth in Scripture, believing that God's ways are best and, for example, fiscal conservatism, things like that in size of government. These things are important, but there is nothing set that have major daughter that are my areas of expertise but but I know the issues exist. What Sen. Coburn did was articulated. Those issues very clearly and reminded me is as to okay yeah the who. Who wants to keep government, you know, you stay in power in the government in and you know we don't have royalty anymore but at some think about smashing the DC monopoly is right that it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6634 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown literally 30 minutes from now. This broadcast and I will be on my way out the door. My assistant Dylan on my way to the airport to fly to France and from France to Israel for a couple days in Israel than a couple days in Germany and then back home, God willing. On Sunday, so if you remember this if you think of me just pray God bless Mike as he travels God be with dark brown as he travels. That would be awesome. We had a rigorous schedule overseas and back last week and overseas and back this week, but there is grace on thriving unblessed all is well. My family is well in the ministry is going well but your prayers are what helps carry us to thank you so much for doing that. I want to talk to for a moment about Israel.

I know some thoroughly Jewish.

There is now I know it's Monday. Trust me I know that but I want talk about Israel for a moment, where is it written that I can't talk about Israel except on Thursday, so there you go about that some other issues in the society around us and I'll try to take some calls as well. I've got a special broadcast tomorrow. You don't want to miss it. A call to love one another. I think you'll find it to be tremendously eye-opening and perhaps convicting by the spirit as well and then should be broadcasting from Israel.

Later in the week I hope to do some special interviews with folks in Israel and then Germany as well so we should have a great week of broadcast. I just won't be able to take calls with the setup that will have overseas so if you have a question you'd like to ask me, give me a call 86 634-8784 and I'll do my best to get to some calls as well. All right Israel I know that my generation in my early 60s that overwhelmingly American evangelicals. My generation have a strong heart for Israel believe that Israel today is fulfillment of prophecy believe that Christian should stand with the Jewish people while praying for their salvation and sharing the gospel with them all. I would say that there's a very healthy strong evangelical solidarity with Israel with the older generation of course exceptions to that, but not with the younger generation not nearly as much with the younger generation and their reasons for that.

One is that the Holocaust and the horrors of World War II that so far out of memory so the miraculous birth of the modern state of Israel is is much more distant and like the miracle of the Six-Day War 50 years old now is much more different distant and young people were there that to see what happened and to recognize how God intervened and helped the Israelis fight their enemies and now Israel is so demonized and in there so many that that stand against Israel as if Israel is the big bad Goliath picking on the poor little David it's the poor little Palestinians and of course I care about the Palestinians from spinning a picture so many young people similar ones that want Beth limits out right there to keep snipers out and it's it's there because the posting government did not adequately work against terrorism and because of that there is there is a need to put up a fence in a wall of certain place to keep murderers out, but people look at the micro then look at the macro and in many of them don't really take Scripture at face value and and many don't even read Scripture carefully older and younger generation.

They don't recognize what God is doing in Israel so II just want to say this, my solidarity with my allegiance to Israel is not probably because I'm Jewish. It's primarily because of a follower of Jesus, and I see this is right scripturally. I see this is right.

Historically, I see this is right in terms of justice and I believe we stand with Israel will also be in the best interest of the Palestinians for their well-being is to an ultimate bottom line. Jesus will not return to this earth until Jewish people in Jerusalem welcome him back.

That's a big reason Israel should matter to every body. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and my friends for fire pride marches states today is the one-year anniversary of the of the horrible massacre. It is the pulse bar gay bar in Orlando by radical Muslim president Trump has not designated June as Gay pride month. Breaking with tradition of Barack Obama, the first president to do that we did for eight straight years. Sadly and regrettably I will reach out to the gay lesbian population with with the love of God. I will stand up for a neighbor or family member or coworker that people try to attack or discriminate against certainly do that. I will, I would absolutely different souls try to get to them and hurts and I had to get to me first.

At the same time not celebrating gay pride. I'm not celebrating homosexuality, or bisexual, or transgender. Some not redefining marriage or or redefining the nature of the family and I'm glad that the president did not declare this Gay pride month. Again, and I do not believe that ultimately it's for the good of the nation to go in that direction. So I can stand against violence that took place at the pulse bar in earlier poor that I could stand against radical Islamic law that wants to put gaze in it and it soldiers and others to death.

I stand against that without sounding to rewrite the Bible and without sand and celebrate Gay pride 866-3423 listen to a lot of far this is Michael Brown and to what I got a couple of the things to chat with you about let's go to the phones first and we will go to Fort Worth, Texas Lori, welcome to the line of fire. Dr. Brown yet well were on the air now so it makes sense. Let's talk okay so I let you know my background in coming along time ago from the LGBT community and Lori intervened in my life green Billy.

That would mean that the Lord speaking to me that I could not ignite info I gave my heart to the Lord that with more than 30 years ago. So Lori, if you let it assess so so how how long did you identify as lesbian and were you part of the community. Well I went early when I was around five or six.

By the time I went 15 back but I identified with and was going to actually daypart at that time with all piping sneaking out of my house and and going to get a bite at that age. So I lived that life flight with 21 and West. A borderline atheist. I wanted everything to do in my life to deny that God was real, and when he was trying to speak to me. I just that you leave me alone.

I don't Go to how let me leave my family my life so I was basically from the age of 15 to 21 where I was actively living the lifestyle with my whole heart, not holding anything back at pursuing it with everything in my heart and I got it yet and you bought into the whole mindset that this is this is who you are and and this is how you should live.

In other words, it wasn't that you saw on just choosing this lifestyle you you bought into the gay activist talking points as well to a gay actor talking point, but at the woman that women were better than men not only what I equal better than a man with the basically a woman flipping to the mat and mice. All of that goes into and that you people that knew me. I had a young you reach out to me and I humiliated him in front of a group of other gay people. He was reaching out to and then I saw him after I become a Christian and he said he's here that last person in the world that I would've expected your life to the Lord.

And so it was just the Lord wouldn't let me go through dreams. I had a letter dream that would not and then I think happened and I I'd almost got in a car crash when one night I I fell asleep on the road three times and the last time that I woke up from falling asleep. I felt the look to me and for state Bishop that you've chosen your path. It can, and pretty soon, and so you need to decide which way you're going to get them going in a hell very quickly in the blank that was living not just the gay lifestyle by drinking to get drunk to try to shut down that voice that was coming what you doing is wrong. So so once you yielded to God drawing you. How would you describe your new life in Jesus. I can say that it was a struggle at the beginning because I I did not find a lot of great in the church at that time yeah yeah you know I don't want to cry about it, but I do think that a lot of room for the church especially like him man to reach out to effeminate men in the lobby like to show what is real. So I am kind of like a like daughter you know it's like okay so I'm out here and I'm struggling and that was all the game you know how the ministry to the reaching out to gay people that are like there are now, or that I'm aware of.

At that time. And so it was a real struggle for me so I initially I struggle a lot and that and when I reached out to people they understand what what what what it really what really what a paradigm shift in my life.

What when I stop trying to focus on my finish start focus on key yes and that that that what it was I I'm sure that you know ;-) Pratley that when you are the last ministries and I started listening to 11 Thing you know you know you don't like stand by focusing on any fight. If I spoke quite like this started to get the word of God in my heart to focus on the board and into even if that West hundred times the day of the of changing my thought that maybe when when that temptation would come up in my heart I would say Lord just might now get back to you. And when we turn again and again and again and not in my own strength but just barely. Again, you know, focusing on on on Jesus and people I've hurt and I've been part I like stand my friends and gave people in my life would reach out to me and they would take on the like. While like is that an app is that like a poet. If your attorney is like him. Is that really helping you line Jesus deny I want you more than I want that and I want to love you and I and when I see scriptures like the Lord gives me the welding that could do his good pleasure think that that they not my strength, but your strength you I want you to help me. He will be out. He helped me and and now it's not the mammoth in my life that was before I make the temptation intervention content, night Lloyd I give this to you because I don't want that. I want you and it.

And so that's what has really helped me cottage and will that's in and it's good to just be honest and forthright and let people know the issues and sources will you would've been just happier being who you were. What would you say if so, this is why fight it just just be who you were. You would've been much happier doing that, but would you say to them in that there is nothing but loneliness and sadness and depression in all of dad.

I am not going to be the hole in the complete person that I was meant to be an answer when I when I see that I say it's not enough know it's not enough.

That's not who I was meant to be.

I was meant to be so much more to cry and I either.

I do have joy and I did not have joy that lifestyle much at and is carded by Chris to having that perfect relationship and and what in a relationship with a beautiful woman at that time in an daylight you in my heart that I could email it. I thought it difficult love. It's not enough.

Not so.

So that's that.

You know, sorry. I can only speak to what I know and that that things are not enough. It's not the complete person that God made me to be so yelled that down that what wonderful that that is more that is awesome to hear us in here with the Lord's done your life but quite a reminder for the church that that compassion, understanding, could have major pass easier and if people met you right where you were and said hey we all got our baggage. We all have our struggles and and sisters in the church got involved with your life and just know just to have us follow Jesus together. That's what we're here to do and then maybe some your praying counselor because of that, you know, being abused in the roots of that in and try to get God's grace down to the core of your being a thank God you working you so deeply that all you do is follow him wonderful Lori, I appreciate you sharing that in many others here, you can have relationships in adult/joint joy of God's presence of that relationship. There will that's just start her plan and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown Brown I Lori back and forth words exercise they actually called about another subject, but want to hear your story. When she did call so what's the question you wanted to race track today to question my neck. Then back and posted on my Facebook history teacher, preacher, and he said basically the easiest way to spot off Christian sexuality and I thought wow no I that's kind of judgmental, but it kind of the truth to me.

It's not like okay what would where not agreeing about post of pretrip tribulation that might the Scripture you know so that the number one and then get the second one is my church is a very reaching pictures that's reaching out to many people, including Muslims and but we were invited to go to a mock opening in our area. They said don't go out and support them. Be there to show them the love of God and that really bothered me. I thought brought to me that would be equivalent if they go to a gay wedding to support them and everything in my heart that now I would have gay people write my house for dinner to share that we have got with it, but I would not go to a gay wedding. I would not mock opening list the network that that would pay lightly to questions about if someone is � that there could you got it okay to clean. I find I like you. Thank you for calling okay so the answer to your two questions yes if if someone claims to be a follower of Jesus and supports homosexuality, meaning yes you can be in a committed gay relationship and gobble blessed yes God has no issue with loving homosexual relationships. Yes, God made you gay.

If someone holds to that position. They are not rightly following Jesus. They may be a true Christian and be deceived on that point but they are in error. They are in serious error and I would deeply question whether they know God at all if that's their position. They if they have not committed complete apostasy there on the road to doing it and no way what I call the biblical Christian evangelical Christian.

I see your soul is in danger and you are absolutely misleading people you you are speaking words of destruction and falsehood and heresy that will destroy other souls so yeah it it is it is a way to see where someone's at.

If they say that we reach out with compassion to campus and community absolutely, and we preach. Jesus said the same blood for gay and lesbian like absolutely everyone, all people to know the Lord and the marina reach out with loving care, absolutely hundred percent that should be who we are. Without without question, do we support a firm homosexual practice know know know God for bid loud and clear shot at for the rooftops know it's not what God intended.

And if you're listening and you go to cook a church or deceived your deceived, get out of there for your soul's sake. If you're in a gay relationship and civil God's blessing is not this deception is not the blessing of God. The matter what you're experiencing. It's not the blessing of God. God's will for you is repentance and new life in Jesus is not a matter of will pray the gay awaits matter follow Jesus. If you have same-sex attraction and not follow Jesus. And if you know something is wrong and sinful. Don't yield to it and don't try to rewrite the Bible to support all right. As for a church saying hey go out.

These Muslims are dedicating a moss really go out there. Well, just understand what's happening. This is a false religion.

Following the most influential false prophet of all time and a false book that claims to be God's word but is not in a false religion that denies the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus that denies that he is the son of God that denies that the Bible is the true word of God that claims that Abraham and Moses and Jesus were all Muslims in that wants to bring the whole world under Islamic faith.

So this is this is demonic. The matter how sincere the people are, no matter how offensive, that statement is. It is his demonic is a false religion. It is darkness. It is absolutely not to be celebrated. So yes have Muslims in your home have meals together with them sit and talk about faith. See if the read the Scriptures with you, by all means reach out but to say hey were celebrating the rebuilding of your mosque. That to me would be for me that would be duplicitous because what I'd be doing essay I want you to know that I'm your friend I'm in this community that that I want to be a help and blessing to you, but I'm primarily here to build relationship with you so I can win you away from your face. I mean that's what would come down to this like for me to go to a gay wedding as Lori set I can do that in good conscience because I would be supporting. I would be affirming in some way. So am I affirming the presence of a mosque in my community God for bid.

No and and if you trust me, if you're in a religious Muslim world, they would not even allow you to build a new church, let alone celebrate the building of the church if they were historic Islamic country, so I understand the motivation and showing love. But to me it's giving a false impression unless you say hey we want you to know Jesus and we are here in the community and want to say welcome to our community and we want you to know Jesus. So were welcoming you and we want you to know the Lord and and come visit our church it'll so I the motivation may have been right in terms of showing love and reaching out to me it speaks of the celebration. It speaks of a participation. It speaks of of saying hey worth new false prophet work of darkness welcome to our community. I have a problem with that, but again Lori, you did the right thing in your own heart and then others may have gone with good intent. But just be sure. Be sure that people understand were not brothers serving the same God. They don't believe it.

We don't believe it. We are praying for their salvation really the best neighbors we possibly can be the same for a gay couple. You have over your house. Reach out. Share the love of God that if they said they were getting married like you to come so I can't do that because that would be affirming that and I can't do that with good conscience like friends.

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