A New Perspective on the Slaughter of the Canaanites; Why Israel Matters; and the Coming Solar Eclipse

It is surly Jewish Thursday and we have some surly fastening guest joining us today stalking for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry getting to the line of fire valves like always. 866-34-TRUTH index 866-34-TRUTH your Jim is Dr. Michael Brown. We are going to look at some of the most troubling passages in the Bible in the Hebrew Scriptures passages because of which people have said your God is a moral monster when you talk about these things in a moment with Prof. John Walton highly regarded Old Testament's and Semitic scholar teaching at Wheaton University. He's written a new book that were going to get into in a few minutes, but it is surly Jewish Thursday, so this is a thoroughly biblical Jewish Old Testament Hebrew Bible subjects were going to get into it today on a Thursday what you take your calls, 866348663 for 87884 that is the number to call 8663 freight 7884. I have just been on the phone doing a radio interview almost 2 hours of interview that just ended. Moments ago and just now look at my computer terror attack in Barcelona at least 13 reported dead bodies in street after Van strikes Plaza crowd boy more pain, more hatred, more suffering.

Do we have details on this yet again, I'm just looking at it. Many of you been following this in the last few minutes I'm just looking at it now.

Do we know for sure that this is Islamic terror that would be the assumption have people taking credit for it. I'm just looking now as well and will update as much as possible, but let me just say this America is hurting right now right America is hurting the world is shaking. This is when we God's people need to stand up and make a difference. This is when we God's people need to come with a message of hope with the message of freedom with a message of healing with a message of life is as him looking at other headlines. It specifically says of that. This took place outside a kosher restaurant that iciest is celebrating and now just another note being sent to me to gunmen holding tourists hostage and lost Romulus bore less from a spark friends. This is where we need God in our lives that we always always 24 seven.

Rose must've 24 seven on the best day the best day on the planet. People are dying and hurting and sitting in rebelling on the best day all right this is just symptomatic of the fallen world in which we live. But now is when friends need to take hold of God. Now is when we need to recover the life-giving truth of the gospel. This is what we need to shout out to the world. God has a better way. Just finished a lengthy interview about my book saving a sick America in the which comes out next month but the theme that was overwhelming through almost 2 hours of radio interviews was hope. Hope hope is the theme of my book because it's the theme of God's book the Bible because it is who God is, but can we really trust the Scriptures or the really reliable is the God of the Scriptures, a moral figure or an moral figure based on his own standards when he called to the slaughter of the Canaanites was letting evil that why should we be upset with the terrorist killing people in in Barcelona.

If hey God called to the slaughter of the Canaanites. Women take that sensitive difficult issue up with Prof. John Walton when we come back as always, phones are open for you to usually call 8663 freight 784 for cleansing by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown mean is this mean local looking to a thoroughly surly Jewish Thursday broadcasts this is Michael Brown 866-34-TRUTH 784 with your relevant questions might guess Prof. John Walton for two decades he was Prof. of Old Testament Moody Bible Institute, Chicago, he has long since been Prof. of Old Testament and at Wheaton College and graduate school was a PhD for him even college and is one of the most respected evangelical Old Testament scholars. He's he's written a book that perhaps deals with the most difficult moral questions that believers are faced with today in terms of the Bible, namely, the God of the Old Testament ordering the slaughter of the Canaanites, one atheist calls it divine evil. The new book the lost world of the Israelite conquest by John H. Waltman, J. Harvey Walton John, welcome back to light a fire. Thanks much for joining us today, great beer, Michael Lenny asked first.

If this should be a moral question for us. I saw a video where Pastor John Piper was asked about this in his responses. A Calvinist was God can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Y'all deserve death if he wants to slaughter men, women and children.

That's his prerogative to do so. So it's really not a moral issue.

I understand Reese coming from but you think that ACS and other sensitive readers of Scripture might have a reason to say this is a moral issue.

I certainly think they might every pay back, given how they interpret the passage and given the action that they understand him. I'm I'm not sure that I would agree with Dr. Piper that we should just kind of give God a carte blanche and say this is not a not a moral issue. All right, so the narrative is most of us would understand it, the Canaanites and the other nations inhabiting the promise land were exceedingly wicked and God waited several hundred years, as he tells Abraham for Abram in Genesis 15 that the iniquity of the Amorites, Hester come to its its full measure.

And then he orders the children of Israel to wipe out the Canaanites to put them to the sword, men, women and children if they were more distant nations that wanted peace, that would be fine but they were to be wiped out in their entirety, and that's with the children of Israel did they didn't always succeed and ended up throwing together with some Canaanites and others, but that's the narrative.

Are you saying that there valid scriptural reasons to question the simplicity of that narrative absolutely perfect. I would group it on nearly every point.

All right, go ahead. Let's go .4 point well done 15 we spent a whole chapter on that basically showing that it doesn't say anything like that. Then we spent the whole couple chapters on the Hebrew term harem, which is the word that is generally translated utterly destroy and demonstrated. I think persuasively that God doesn't mean that we also have the.

The idea of the note what God says he is doing God's once for Canaanites to be cleared out. He's going to drive them out is the most common terminology.

Finally, we we tried demonstrated that the only think about the retribution principle, the righteous will prosper.

The wicked will suffer if that's what's going on in the conquest that the wicked Canaanites are are being destroyed would expect some retribution principle language to be used, but it's not.

And so there's nothing to demonstrate that there got connection so identically that's just a very quick shot on some of the key points.

Both of those.

We spent whole chapters discussing I so so let's the stars and in Genesis 15 we say that it's actually not saying that the iniquity of the Amorites has to reach its full measure before God will drive them out because you look at that and say will that's how patient merciful God is, they were wicked, but he waited till their wickedness reached a certain level before he brought judgment on them. You say this out. The passage says it also let's open up okay very throat talk about our work of NIV translation. Dr. show the differences regarding translation.

Same thing. Okay, so in an NIV a talk about the fourth-generation. Your descendents will come back here for the film of the Amorites is not yet reached its full measure. I would first of all tackle that word for mistranslated sin that telephone, the Hebrew term and what we find, for instance Genesis 410 says my phone is too great for me to bear. That's what God is doing not what he's doing with the Sodom and Gomorrah, if not thereof own the depression for our volume, rather, is the idea that you have to get out of here. Let's be a vote of the city catch up to that's not definitively catching up to them. If the judgment on the city and so in that sense the other loan does not pertain to the sin of the Amorites, who pertains to the calamity destination that is been decreed for them that if they will lose that land. But it's not because that's some kind of sin. Now when we talk about has not yet reached its full measure that. Not yet doesn't refer to a an increasing scale that is getting greater and greater that Hebrew phrase everywhere. The Jews refers to reaching a plateau which is been going to be an ongoing status quo. And so it's not that it's growing and growing and growing its rather that is leveled off. There's nothing happening right now and that last phrase full measure not its full measure is used in accounting contacts word says that it's not being tallied up so the calamity that eventually to come on the cap on the Amorites is not currently being tallied up. It's reached a plateau so left, the Amorites here notices the Amorites, not the Canaanites and not the whole grocery list the Amorites, in this context. Chapter 14 these are Abram's allies and friends. They helped him go to battle against the kings of the east, and these are his friends not his enemies, not the foreigners.

He's a foreigner among them. Therefore, we would translate the diverse and won't be until after your lifetime. That's fourth-generation that's what it always it it won't be until after your lifetime is over that your family will return here because the destiny of destruction that have been decreed for your friends and allies has been and will continue to be deferred. That's a very different translation and if I'm just thinking out loud here, some looking at the Hebrew with you so with the word door which is generation scholars have had to look at and try to come up with with cognates from Acadian where the languages are different uses to try to say that it could refer to 100 year.

Hence, 400 years which are saying is no fourth-generation this cut, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and then you've got. After that would be the fourth-generation that's always talking about. The poor hundred years. As mentioned earlier in the chapter).

When people are seeing that for generation. They tended to think of it the same thing right. He breathes fourth-generation very particular ways. And again we go through all of them and demonstrated and so on that fence were not dealing with the same statement in both places. This basically says is going to be peace in Abram's time and got it all right so so let's let's existence got a minute and 1/2 before the break of for those who don't know John Walton he he is not some guy posting on the Internet. Sagacity's on YouTube.

He's a respected Semitic umbilical scholar. If someone says to you, come on, man, this is special pleading, you're saying if they get the lost word world of the Israelite conquest the font you find out it's the opposite of special pleading. It's rather looking again at what Scripture accessories your your giving chapter verse lexicon for each thing you're saying absolutely the strength of interpretation in it evident and therefore we don't just make a statement of what it should be. We present all of the lexical evident in biblical usage to demonstrate that this is what these words mean.it all right when we come back. We gotta explore this terrible issue because we normally hear us.

If you look in the Hebrew Bible and ancient near East. It is meant to utterly destroy to put something to the sorts of put it under a band of 30 seconds before the break was there ever a time that God told the Israelites to kill men, women and children. There are statements or couple of them scattered around usually not using heroin.

Other language course that's what has to be gone if the people resist being driven out and I wanted to talk about that after the break.

The importance of clearing the mouth got it all right friends we come back we'll talk further with John H.

Walton together with Jay Harvey Walton. They have written the lost world of the Israelite conquest and this is friends. This is major because in many ways this is an Achilles' heel scenario where your cost the attack and let God be God.

Whatever he does is writing good, but that's the thing. What he does is right and good. Let's understand what he does what he commands study this out, look at it will write back the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks for joining us guest Dr. John Walton his new book with Jay Harvey Walton the lost world of the Israelite conquest just hot off the press right now the question is God a moral monster and looking carefully at the Hebrew Bible texts in their original context, and language, and friends. This is one of these things where I'm encouraging you look at the book study the evidence which I plan to do was very excited to see this title come out and evaluate it. So John, you know, we grew up learning this in hearing this from other scholars that this Kerem was the band to put something in the band of destruction, prompted to put it to the sword of destruction you are saying that it is not necessarily with the word means and therefore we are making the wrong assumption which is that all of the town cities in the land of Canaan. Israel went through there and wiped out men, women and children.

End of subject. No possible mercy.

No possible solution a possible peace because of the serum your sentence a misunderstanding.

I am no we were. We were the first ones to recognize that a harem doesn't have that destructive element inherently in the meaning of the word Jacob Milgram are probably the foremost of all commentators on the bed to get at already suggested that harem means to make something ineligible for human use and that's demonstrated in the assessment throughout the Hebrew Bible. We also find numerous examples of the same kind of strategy in, among other people at this time. So the idea of making it ineligible for human use means that those those people have to be cleared out of there. Though cities are not for human use, they need to leave the people themselves are not for human use. That is Israelites cannot intermarry with them and they cannot take them as slaves, that would be making human use of them there to drive them out the course of the people don't want to be driven out. Then there is no option but war and death because there is there's a more important issue at stake. That issue is not so Israel can have the land important issue is if Yahweh's land and Yahweh is going to dwell there, and therefore those people have to be cleared out because their existence would be threatened by being in close proximity to Yahweh's presence and Israel is to be host for the presence of Yahweh in that sense, it's what today we would call an active eminent domain that people have to leave to make room for a larger, more important, significant thing and in that sense, what they're doing and what we call the conquest we call it that. On the cover because that's what is usually referred to, but not a good work with the really doing is clearing space for the presence of God. So if I'm thinking again. Words like licorice. That's to drive out the whole Riche dispossess you smash the altars you do those things.

But does it say in passage after passage and I'm thinking out loud and slow to the past is my mind what it says, drive out, dispossess mess. The authors don't intermarry with them. Is it also saying all of those and kill everyone. Men, women and children so that's out the obvious question. If it's not saying that is that synonymous with with driver.

There's even a rabbinic interpretation that even though that Scripture seem to indicate this was just for distant nations to offer them peace not war that there was there was even look, you can submit or leave rather than be killed, but that was offered even to the immediate nations.

So how then should we understand the larger issue is it's God's land. He has the right to it. The sin of the Canaanites was to find what do you do downplay their sinfulness or is that inherent in the narrative as well.

No, I downplay this implement regular very good �18 it's talking about Butte behavior using what we've identified as a motif of the of barbarian. The invincible barbarian and that kind of rhetoric is found widely in ancient near Eastern texts and you kind of stereotype into categories of the very ones that you're going to be fighting and graphic type of language that she was there. We find it is really the same kind of language for conquest, but is used throughout the engineering and so in that sense for not listing documentable crimes that the Canaanites have committed their giving a grocery list of standard terminology. Now some of them, the Canaanites, certain or guilty they worship idols with effective, the Bible never calls on the Canaanites, or any other people, not Israel cannot worship idols. It's Israel's covenant relationship that leads them to not worship idols. No one else is held accountable for that. And so in that sense, this idea that it's using this this rhetoric of conquest that we know well from the ancient world to talk about how these rights are supposed to drive out these invincible barbarian goddess and began the big issue is this is going to be always land and she is going to dwell there and make his presence known.

Therefore Israel has to hosted Exodus 25 make a sanctuary for me so I can dwell in your midst in the whole land was to be his life. He refers to it is his inheritance, John. I'm sure you've taught your students. This it at Wheaton. What effect does it have on them when suddenly there reading these texts in a different light. Certainly something that at times brings hope and relief and think about sort other times, of course, that bike can't spend enough time on it. It's easy for it to bring confusion and become excessive technical, complicated issue and that's why we wanted to write the book to try to put all the information out for people to understand. We we we should build understand that this isn't about killing people. This is about eliminating a Canaanite identity from the land because of that identity will be damaging for Israel and her covenant relationship. This is about Israel having these influences in the Canaanites should have gotten the idea that this is something bigger going on and we need to make space in fact Rahab speech but exactly that. Now you know maybe they should've gotten the idea but Rahab speech suggests that they all know the power of Yahweh goddess I friends the new book the lost world of the Israelite conquest.

I was had a few hours to pick your brain on this but I don't need to because I have your book and I'm eager eager to get into it. So friends again. John H. Walton and J.

Harvey Walton the lost world of the Israelite conquest and don't don't just make an assumption can't be read, study it, look at it.

Go through the evidence and country conclusions. Hey thank you for do the hard work on this. I look forward to get into the book myself okay.

God bless you right friends when we come back 86634 I am going straight to the phones and I am going to take your calls.

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This is Michael Brown and I just want to candidly that some of what Prof. Walton said challenges understands I've had. He is a respected Old Testament somatic scholar and he made some points on the year that really get me thinking that I would love to be true as well so I'm I'm eager to dig into the book more not even having on the air. I was a bookie since I saw tonight.

I ordered a because of of of my interest were soon as I see a book like that. I ordered immediately so sometimes have a guest on in there saying something. I really agree with but I don't want to push back strongly at that moment I wanted to just didn't think about it, then raise some issues and questions later sometime other than push back aggressively. What is your speaking, but she raises some very important points that I'm going to look into and some of the vocabulary or drive out this drive out different than exterminate. I would say I would say so much food for thought again terrorist attack in Barcelona, Spain. Hostages being held people dead and wounded more trauma, more hate and will get you more details and that as soon as we have them, 8663 for 87884.

Let us start in Lebanon, Connecticut Allen, welcome to the line of fire. He welcomed Dr. Browner. Here again today you better think you are part of two premises are to comment on very grievous to me about the rise of Mavis moving before Danica made me a map view of the things in Charlotte's Web initial acts 1726 and number 328 30.

There really isn't any race will come from one person and the second one is can we pray according to Genesis 27, 29, that the curse would come upon these people do this.

The curse volume within the Midwest. I heard a nation because of diminished yet so Genesis 27, 29, of course, was the curse that was spoken.

It's the blessing that Isaac spoke over Jacob when when Jacob stole the birthright from Esau install the blessing here. Let people serve you and nations bow down to you. The Lord over your brothers and may your mother's sons bow down to you curse me, everyone curses you, and blessed everyone who blesses you in my mind.

The midrash is downplaying that the Jewish interpretive are one of the Jewish interpretive understandings is downplaying that because Chris curses is very strong at stronger than just diminished, but here here's the question. Should we pray what I call the imprecatory Psalms. The Psalms of judgment. May you be destroyed may the neo-Nazis be destroyed.

For example, in Jewish theology, Hitler and the Nazis.

They were the latest manifestation of Amalek and Amalek of course we read of in Exodus 17 that they they fought the children of Israel in Katsina right you get your pay for this. Just come out of Egypt were stragglers and it went up will pay for this you to pay for what you've done so that this is Amalek, the ancient enemy of Israel, raising its head again and we should curse the Nazis.

What about the idea that was supposed to pray. Father forgive them for they know it was to do this and apply the Nazis a certain what they were doing.

So where when we just want to me the best thing to do is pray Lord, your kingdom come in your will be done on heaven as it is in earth Lord, your kingdom come to neo-Nazis and you will be done. Does that mean destruction wipe them out.

Does that mean salvation is that mean restraint. That's for God to sort out because there neo-Nazis to save tomorrow via neo-Nazis today to go to have their hateful ideology, but never pick up a finger hurt someone in there others in a murderous let God be God. That's how I pray not just Lord save them the Lord your kingdom come. That may mean judgment like God determine thank you sir. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown since the subject of neo-Nazis is ever before us. Let me speak again is plainly and clearly as I can about neo-Nazis, white supremacists, 866-34-TRUTH 87884. This is Michael Brown and it is thoroughly Jewish Thursday about to go back to the phones take more of your calls but before before I do that I wish the president from day one had handled things somewhat differently than he did with Charlottesville and work on an open letter to the president that I'm praying the trustee will get to his hands and I have a reason to believe that he could get into a sense, I understand what's going on. I understand what he made initially seen in here any knows the insidious nature of the radical left and the violent nature of the radical left and some of the radical funding behind it and things like that and he sees combatants going back and forth again to the havoc the context which equate to sick. These were neo-Nazis and white supremacists and and and chant against Jews and others. Yet others came in there was violence both ways yes but but you just have to start with because with the March was utterly renouncing that speaking against and then saying now look, we understand you're upset about it, but don't resort to violence against and take it from there. Right. I will get into everything he said in hindsight ways it could of been sent better and why understand.

He said certain things but let's let's recognize two things. Number one, there were not a million people marching in Charlottesville. There were 500 500. Too many.

There were 500 that legal right to, but 500 too many terms of what I like to see America somewhat number two racial hatred remains seething under the surface. It has been from every quarter for years on both sides of different sides multiple sites and we all need to work together against that right so right now some of these movements are getting even more attention and they do represent an ugly despicable side of our nation but they are still a small minority of people just like you have say black supremacists. This is not your average African-American anywhere near that. Okay, you're dealing with a militant ugly violet faction yet numbers wise because of minimal whites in America they can be more the skill, but it did make this the average come supported average evangelical Christian. No no no, let us not listen to the media's portrayal as if this represents tens of millions of people who are the main trump supporters know that's a media, why the evil neo-Nazis, white supremacist KKK that remains evil and we all stand together against it right, let us go back to the phones, this time in Chicago. Mordechai, thanks for calling the line of fire. A duck about big Michael. I don't very well thank you's are adequate parking with him. I am beginning my research on I 53.

Jan and I avoid going to 40 on on what I'm so my question is if I sent Chris into this and quickly.

So to accept the Messiah will for the Entire morning when you're either not reject them really is that the decree in as though it was because of I 53 I receiving the benefit of the Messiah.

Despite rejecting a outlined agenda. Surely this is recognizing this is written by inspiration of the spirit, of course, as I assume we would we would both agree, studying Scripture and this is our people looking back and recognizing how we misunderstood the Messiah when he came how we we thought he was dying for his sins was he was really dying for our sins and it was healing for us at the cost of his wounds and it would be that that's why Ed is a revelation of the site.

At the end of the age. Zechariah 1210. For example, for the beach would like to share the car that lets me they pierced that the be great. Morning and repentance in the nation when we realize that the one that we thought was the cause of our suffering of the head of the Catholic Church persecuted us in this this evil. No per pot imposter etc. that he was actually our Messiah. And that's why the grief and pain will be so great. That's what Isaiah 53 is reflecting back, and of course the traditional Jew would read the end of Isaiah 52 is is is speaking of a future exultation of the servant of the Lord to the shock of the nations of the world, and it's also to the shock of the people of Israel. They realize who he is. So if we take that that you that it is your speaking in 53 129 or 10. I'm still one the exalted is a look back and they realize what happened but they still don't quite believe that because they still benefit from the death though.

What is the belief coming yet with the benefits of the death is not there until we recognize either the rabbinic concept of that the death of the righteous atones for the since the generation meets the tonsils of the Kansas a pair there's not benefit in Lester's repentance from that generation as I understand it was someone innocent suffered for the sins of others, but there must be repentance join together with that is God's mercy is to come to that generation.

So for example the Jewish people in the Messiah's day who rejected him when he came they suffer the consequences of that the temple was subsequently destroyed. We've been exiled, just like were exiled for rejecting the law of Moses at different times in our history.

So yeah we have been without that benefit we we have not benefit from what he's done the small remnant the 7000 and 11,000 needed to Baltes use God's terminology to Elijah. They benefited from it, but the rest of the nation hasn't benefited but at the end of the age. Those who repent to those who repent today will benefit from Lake Okeechobee for sure. We revocably the repentant is a is I get the corrected or one of the main element in between God. But I'm not argument me maybe and maybe have a couple thing it in the havoc of the carpeting never happened but that the requirement to believe that the decree code do nothing to believe them to think.

Looking back, we realize that despite a rejection he still covered for both his like if you like those you think you don't accept Jesus will benefit from the death, despite all the time that they ignored him.

While I would love it if that was the case or I would love it if is every one of our people through the ages would still benefit from his death, even though some of us were ignorant of him and and others reject event but it does start, 53, one right me had me in this Mauritania who has believed our report so it's talking about the importance of this message and and I see it's her as throughout history. This chapter is shouting to each generation to Mordechai and shipped to others.

Have you believed have you believe it's an appeal to believe. Yes, it says if a hover. It's on your Pallotta and at the cost of his wounds. There's healing for us. You could say at the cost of his wounds we were healed or the cost of his wounds. There's healing for us know it's it's there for us to take advantage of. But we must turn in faith and repentance. Otherwise we don't benefit from it. Just like an honest the sacrifices you on the sacrifices on Yom Kippur in Leviticus 16, they were made for the nation right but in less I join together and humbled myself that day that the sacrifice would not benefit me.

By the way can we agree that repentant of the crime.

Important under. After that it happened at this or that we did on the 30 meant that on but in the point regarding belief don't get back I 53 and who would have believed reporting it would belief.

In terms of this report that we hearing nothing to do with believing in the present who just died is not only to him to be that horse is that I'm not typically think the Christian message and it was a bit and it would protect yeah sure sure.I don't take it as being obtuse or argumentative at all. Not not in the least. So number one it starts 5213 that the servant will be highly exalted but will first suffer terrible disfigurement right and then this this message ultimately will cause kings to put their hands on their mouth and then the question is, who has believed our report. Namely, that this one that we saw was dying for his sins was dying forces whose believe that that that is is the gospel that was what it was a Christian preacher stands up to preach, that's his message. Do you believe this. This is what happened. The Messiah took our place. He was the ultimate atoning sacrifice. He himself became an Sharma guilt offering who believes this.

That's the message was shouting to the world. That's the message. Isaiah 53 shouting to do you believe who has believe this. This is the report that were given.

We were wrong about him. We thought he was dying for his sins. We thought he was being punished by God actually was being punished for our sins because of God's mercy, he took the stroke that should've been us.

He died, God raised him up who believes that such a table at state stay right there right and by the way, if you'd like a book that I've written about the messianic prophecies in general right where take a lot of time.

Isaiah 53 I'm happy to send that she was a gift. If you'd like that how it's gonna come on all right and get your name and address only if you want will put you in any mailing list or anything. If you don't want, that's fine.

But I'm happy to send you volumes three of my series on answering Jewish objections to Jesus stay there. I'll be right back on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and I was not Mordechai's gone nuts.

Not sure what happened there. We went to offer him going through my series and answering Jewish objections to Jesus but Mordechai. Still listening. Hope it's clear. I hope the message is clear. There are many Jewish friends, colleagues of mine Manny who came to faith reading that chapter that was a chapter that open their eyes.

In fact, when I first showed it to my dad. It was a very levelheaded man. He actually got angry, as if know what's it's doing in our Bible. That's about Jesus Christ that we don't believe in and what my friends showed the passes to his dad and his dad said no anonymous in the New Testament out policy are Bible.

I said that this is the Bible. I was given my bar mitzvah. Here is the signature the rabbi in the front. Somebody changed it. We hear that all the time because it seems to lay out the message so clearly so may the God that we revere God of our fathers, may he open up the truth of Scripture to you as you said is this is good. Thank you for allowing me to comment and for giving me a call. My assumption is amortizing Orthodox Jews of obviously that's when we talked and interacts. That's my assumption 866-34-TRUTH we go to Monterey, California been welcome to line of fire, hide background, I have a quick question though I was in a very likable month ago and you and but the great experience begot experience Babbitt with famine. Yeah, I get weird talking about theology and things like that and he mentioned something about you know I get to Megan today than they know, but allocation or the afterlife. You know that about like an alien course so we actually open the Madonna Valley. The operator yeah and he was right. So some first thing if you go through the restrictions.

If you, the Old Testament, you don't find the categories of saved and lost from the categories of righteous and wicked, blessed and cursed. You don't find categories like saved and lost salvation in the Old Testament is often national salvation, God will save Israel from its enemies. It is individual physical salvation God will deliver me from my photos of the same word save, deliver, and there are spiritual dimensions to it as well with the normal concept would be my sins gotten me in a mess. My sin has gotten me in a mess and I need God to save me from that mess and forgive my sin, but the primary emphasis would be in this world that's with the Torah is about life in this world, living out a life that pleases God hear his commandments.

Or so we keep them and it's only little by little, that God reveals things about eternity to Israel. So it's not to get to the book of Daniel the 12th chapter that you have an explicit verse about some will be raised to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt is that you get to Isaiah 25 and 26 that there very very clear statements about resurrection from the dead. So yes there are concepts of the afterlife in the Bible in the Hebrew Scriptures. But the emphasis is not as strong there. So end. In short, the concepts in the New Testament don't contradict what we have in in New Testament Old Testament don't contradict each other. Rather, the New Testament now builds on everything that's been in the Old Testament and opens up eternity to us and shows us in eternal fashion what it means to be saved. What it means to be delivered, look at Jesus as the deliverer and a silly question. Are you saved, which is like a religious category. Are you saying you saved some of like what denomination your church to go to whatever right, look at it. Are you delivered.

Have you been set free from sin and even brought out of captivity and bondage. Are you a child of God, you have the hope of eternal life. It's it's the whole package. It's not simply get saved so your sins are forgiven and you go to heaven forever. It's get delivered from sin and guilt and bondage that you can live for God in this world and then continue to live for him in the world to come.

By the way, in my book 60 questions Christians ask about Jewish beliefs and practices will give you some insight on a wide range of questions that relate to this as well. 60 questions Christians ask about Jewish beliefs and practices hey Ben, thank you for calling. I appreciated out. Let's go to Melbourne, Florida Tony, welcome to the line of fire.

Hello Dr. Tony nesting article during a man get hey, I was really enjoying one of your videos that you guys did in the in Israel and you yeah it's as great man. Thank you forgot thank you so much about it. I got there without you there would be no public particles and prohibited by the act actually sometime in the future by secular pop artist in Israel seriously over the will training the opportunity is just just before we go any further review some your music sometimes on a silly Jewish Thursday shows but many folks I'm can assume don't know who you are, so just give the briefest of introductions and where folks can find your material. We are of multiethnic mechanic through his hip-hop group out of order regular Jewish community and movement. We have strong passionately usual proclaim to all nations that and if you are like a kind of a basic overview of what we do as you go to YouTube you look up a QB on how the king we were interviewed by Fabian in Israel and they you know, we were able to unpack for the publisher and are our focus their obligation go to a booking.com HIV a K I am.com Instagram Facebook and all that stuff you can find of Buddha that the artist to communicate the gospel and we find this genre could be completely off the perfect vehicle to propagate theology yeah and you can get a lot of words in with what you doing cancer. Absolutely a grammar of our firm and basically in our music, though it really is a blessing and I am without you we would be nearly retaken involved. I failure affirmative archaeology and apologetic that we put in our music comes from your lighting will Tony that that really blesses me to hear that. In fact, I was on one of your your projects. I thought you have a wrap actually took some XXL MMS is try that much time to take what here's what I want to do. I've got a guest coming on in a few minutes, but if you stay right here. We got a whole new wave of listeners that are gonna come in right at the beginning of the next hour. Stick around. I want to reintroduce you to them and even even talk about the fruit you're saying among hip-hop among young Israelis using hip-hop will talk about that now. Try to answer your question before our guest comes on so Prince check out because Akeem.com H a C a K I am.com or go on YouTube and look for TBN because Akeem you'll be blessed be exposed to what these two young men have to offer and friends. I got some urgently important articles and videos there up on a website asked Dr. Brown asking your brown.or join us there right now it is thoroughly Jewish Thursday and we have some thoroughly fast and guest joining us today. It's time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown friends of another terrorist attack is taken place this in Barcelona, Spain. 13 dead in what she hauled watch.org is calling vehicular G hard Spanish identity card with Arabic name found inside the van attack or will continues to shake and a lot of the shaking is through hatred and violence.

We as the people of God have a better way. We have the ways of God in truth, and we resist this violence in the name of our Savior Jesus this is Michael Brown.

Welcome to the line of fire. It is thoroughly Jewish Thursday. A few minutes I am going to speak with a fascinating guest author of a new book Israel matters right now I've got young colleague on the air.

He is half of house Akeem. These are multiethnic brothers were messianic Jews and are hip-hop artists who have an amazing sociological message that they get out in hip-hop Tony on the phone with me now is kindly said that without me because Akeem wouldn't exist because I gave him the keys to hip-hop rapid because they drew a lot of theology for material some modern and blessed to be part of it. Tony what are you seeing in Israel among young people. Obviously this genre that transcends culture and country. What kind of producing all absolutely. We were in Israel last summer, late last summer and we plan on going back with medical issues with the group go because the postponement were working on the material, but it looked fascinating. We we met a lot of young Israelis probably passed out from review in our conversation with young Israelis in no there there is a real opener in the new generation. There is not the stigma better. But if matter is that big of an issue and so we were like almost every Israeli folk who we have many many conversations. Dr. Brown almost everything.

One of them have a messianic Jewish believer in her family, a roommate, a friend like it's not as rare for Israelis not know close until the people in their lives that are believer and and yet so after our last trip we come back and I'm reached out that I will give the guys name is a pretty well-known rapper hip-hop artist in Israel and they got out of island. They love the album and the like.

One can reduce them so together they got not a believer dollar ago we would essentially be sharing the stage at Concord were potentially hundreds or more young people would be there in Israel and we have the ability and I think I think the beauty of this genre that it is okay to be effective. Okay could be like for people to disagree with you, and you can be a sort of brash if you want an open if you want an aggressive and wonderful thing that we may not be of the thing with it with a with an acoustic guitar or over the loudspeaker because it's an hip-hop form and at the musical form we have the ability to communicate the things you know and people respected and beautiful thing. Great work thing were saying no interest in issuing the land and we believe it's the thing keeping with the profitability of suicide that when he returned it will be because Jerusalem welcomes him back in a court Zechariah pointing out the that you know they will look upon the Messiah and a liver cleansing will be poured out the league we think were not time tremendous will that is wonderful to hear this and you had a quick question for me. Maybe we can get to it real fast about the feast of Tabernacles.

Yeah you go." Zechariah 14 points out that at the end of the millennial kingdom or the end of the messianic era that or during the clinic that all the nations will will keep Sukkoth will come to Jerusalem for you to go and I don't I know that you and others of evolution of the idea that that being the final for you, and the calendar is fulfilled, and messiahs laying the thousand year reign of Illinois not your thing about the I was reading Revelation chapter 21 verse three and it hit me that perhaps the reason being During the millennial kingdom of that will looking forward to the new Jerusalem is the tabernacle. I tend to come back and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown what will I get so concerned about Israel. Why why focus on his this is Israel more important than every other nation that we care about the poor around the world are we care about other people's don't know we care about all kinds of junk. Don't we. We care about every nation the same. Why make such a fuss about Israel, I'm about to be joined by Dr. Gerald McDermott, author of most recently Israel matters why Christians must must knows that work must think differently about the people and the land was just finishing a call with Tony from house Akeem about the feast of Tabernacles and and just in short, it's clear that the feast of Tabernacles also speaks of the harvest in the nations hints of it within the Hebrew Scriptures things that the rabbis recognize this well.

We see the culmination of that that Israel salvation brings blessing to the whole world and ends up centering around the city of Jerusalem, to which the Messiah returns so 20 will have to take that up more fully on another call, but I want to turn our attention to Dr. Gerald McDermott. She holds a PhD for the University of Iowa and his Anglican chair of Divinity at Beeson Divinity school author or editor of numerous books I Gerald great to have you on the line of fire with us. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you Dr. Brown. It is my great honor to be here will thank you sir. Have you always held to this theology. Have you always recognize the importance of Israel in God's sight and for the life of the church know I was a classic supersession is the classic replacement theologian for many years until about 2025 years ago when I started going Israel and my guide who was doing a PhD at Hebrew University in Jerusalem started very patiently and respectfully questioning some of things I was saying in my lectures to my group said I was taking Ron Israel and they got me thinking. And they got me researching and studying and over the course of about 1015 years I came to reject replacement theology right so your theology the way you held to it before the basically that God had purposes for Israel is culminating in Jesus coming into the world. Israel rejected the Messiah the gospel went to the nations, and now that the church has taken the place of Israel, God's economy.

God can save individual Jews is not a chosen nation of Israel because working with regathering to limit set basically how you sought is an oversimplification yet know that that's a perfect representation of what I thought and annual his book, Dr. Brown, that I just came out with gold Israel matters that you mentioned is really my personal story of how I moved from replacement theology supersession is him to recognizing that that is not just the Old Testament that is Zionist but is the New Testament that in the New Testament are the people of Israel have a future in the land of Israel has a future are in.

Of course you have a whole academic volume with other scholars that address this, but this one tells your story very clear way so let's just pack things up a bit. You and I use the term replacement theology or supersession is not the church is superseded Israel and in God's purposes, but many object to that and they said no it's fulfillment theology the promises from the film in Jesus or its expansion theology that God is expanded the borders of the Eckley see other the Assembly of God and and it's it's not replacement but I say is if it ends up that the promises that once came to the Jewish people want to someone else. It is replacement. It is an oversimplification know it.

You know I put it like this, Dr. Brown, that the way I used to believe is a way most scholars believe. Today most most biblical scholars in your biblical scholar yourself, I see you have a PhD from NYU very very impressive degree and nearest in languages and literatures, you know that most scholars believe what most pastors preach from the pulpit on Sunday morning that Israel was in the people of Israel.

The Jews were front and center for God until 33 A.D. you noted the date when many scholars date Jesus resurrection that after 33 A.D. the people of Israel as the people visualized Jews unless they accepted Jesus as Messiah are no longer significant to God. No more significant than the people of Canada or Thailand in the land of Israel, which used to be the chosen land until 33 A.D. after 33 A.D. is no more significant to God than the land of Korea or Uganda. And this is you know you put it. This is supersession is, and that the church has solely has so superseded Israel that now all God cares about is the church which is almost entirely Gentile, and the land of Israel is not important at all and people who think it is don't understand the Bible that that that's the typical thinking of most scholars and most pastors I find yeah and if it's widespread obviously the restoration of the modern Jewish state to challenge some theology. There was also a lot of guilt about the fruit of replacement theology.

After World War II, but Dennis was been here for a while now and Israel seems like every other nation it's it's kind of back to the old way of thinking now for my listeners not familiar with with Beeson Divinity school. This this is really highly respected school it's it's known for his sophisticated theology and thinking this is not some Bible something in or just Christian Zionist shouting plate so it's an interesting place for you is Anglican, chair of Divinity at Beeson Divinity school to hold these beliefs how're they received by your colleagues. Well, you know, I'm not exactly sure yet because my two books on Israel have come out in a recently this book Israel matters just came out in May. My academic book the new Christian Zionism came out a year ago but I notice that some of my colleagues basically agree with me and others probably are not so sure and were probably going be talking a lot more about it in in the future.

Both both privately in our offices and also publicly with our students to use sink. I don't want to say Beeson specifically but in general among your academic colleagues that some would look at this is even a departure from orthodoxy. Somehow, probably some would you know, particularly those in the in the mainline Protestant circles in the Academy. Many in Catholic circles in the Academy they would say it's too hung up about a particular people too hung up about a particular land it's it's a species of modern nationalism and of course the nationalism today is a hotly debated topic so yeah II think so would now course, many conservative evangelical scholars do understand that there is a future for the people of Israel the future for the land of Israel and Zionism. In particular, is is is actually represented on the pages of the New Testament so you know you know this because you came out of the Academy and you were educated in the Academy very high levels and you know that there's a big divide, but generally I think you would agree with me generally save the American Academy of religion that Zionism, Christian Zionism is thought to be naughty cookie just the product of the domain of those crazy dispensational lists. Now I'm not a disposition of myself and I don't think the Nestl� you know there crazy, but is dismissed as kooky and a bad reading of the Bible by most scholars and the purpose of our academic book the new Christian Zionism was to disabuse scholars of that notion that that the main argument of that book and the main argument of Israel matters is that contrary to the to the presuppositions and teachings of many, many biblical scholars of the Zionism is actually in the pages of the New Testament. The major theme in the New Testament and the only reason why we have not seen it is because we been trained not to say it all right. So when we pick up. Let's go right there is an important new book. Very readable, very readable by Dr. Gerald McDermott Israel matters why Christians must think differently about the people in the land assessment will find out which Zionism in the New Testament sing number and it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, a friends Michael Brown here.

It is thoroughly Jewish Thursday, I'm delighted to have on the phone with me. Dr. Gerald McDermott, author of the great eye-opening simply laid out book Israel matters why Christians must think differently about the people and the land, and trust me for listening and a bunch of questions are going off in your mind what about this.

What about the does New Testament say that church's spiritual Israel, but what about what about the other promises covenant each of them dealt with clearly in understandable language by men is a solid theologian has the ability to communicate simply and clearly so Dr. McDermott the idea that Zionism is taught on the pages of the New Testament that something that very few scholars even think about or entertain or many Christian pastors and leaders that everything that we discover the Old Testament and try to prove that it still applies to today but you say that Zionism itself. This idea that there is a future home and for the people of Israel that God has promised a slant to them. That's in the New Testament. Yes, I am saying that Dr. Brown so Princess� Look it uses Peter Paul and John, the author Revelation personal. Jesus says in Luke 13 one day Jerusalem will welcome me now you say one day the whole world will welcome me one day Jerusalem talk about the future will welcome him now. That day hasn't come yet but that the future for the people of Israel. Then Jesus in acts one was asked by his disciples after he rose from the dead before the ascension Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel. Now he didn't say oh what a silly materialistic worldly thought, why you even asking the question know he said it's not for you to know the times or seasons that the father is fixed by his own authority. So in other words, it's going to happen, but is not for you to know when. So that's the future. The restoration of the kingdom to Israel than Peter in his second speech in Jerusalem. The next chapter 3 verse 21 he says at time of the time of restoration is coming in the word he uses there for the time restoration is Applica discusses which is the Greek word that is used over and over and over again in the Greek translation of the Old Testament the supplicant for the coming time when all the Jews from all around the world will return to the land not Peter said that may be in 3334 A.D. there was no return of the Jews in Applica discusses the Peter was predicting that the heat that that that he said has not come yet but is going to come in the future.

There was no applicant assesses until the end of the 19th century, beginning the 20 century Wood went to start to return in large numbers to the land of Israel from all over the world. And then of course 1948 they gained self-rule. Paul says in Romans 11 in the future. All Israel will be saved when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in is very clear the fullness of the Gentiles has not come in yet all of Israel has not been saved yet. Whatever all of Israel means I hi think it means a large proportion of Israel.

Not every last two and but that still the future.

John says has many references to the world of Israel in the book of Revelation, but let me point out one Revelation 2112, he talks about the new Jerusalem, with 12 gates, and what can be inscribed on the 12 gates the names of the people of Alexandria of Rome. No, the names of the 12 tribes of the sons of Israel future for Israel. Israel will be at the center of the renewed world. So this is the user for four signs in Jesus, Peter, Paul and John that Jesus and the apostles were looking forward to a future for the people of Israel in the land of Israel that Zionism, yeah. So even though they were in the land of Israel. Then there were two scattered all around the world and they knew that that was, not the ideal state Jesus when he speaks of the time of regeneration, of all things. Matthew 19 or speaks in Luke 21 of the scattering of Jewish people from Jerusalem until there there is always this expectation of selling tobacco and when you mentioned Jesus response to the question in acts 16 John Calvin said there more errors in the question and words and but Jesus didn't rebuke them exactly society faces a good question is a great question, just not what you concentrate on out at what I found fascinating servers looking at some of the messages of the Spurgeon's and the Bishop JC Riles in the John Owens that some of that the famous theologians and leaders of the 16, 17, 1800's and in England. The Bishop JC Ryle since he sees it, they can come back to the land and unbelief. He actually is not just talking about when Jesus returns that Israel be regathered in the land or some future glorious frustrations. It is he understands the Scriptures they go to first be regathered and I believe he was, not of the sensationalist this in the 1800s.

So we go back true through church history, if I hey there others who believe this to based on the testimony of Scripture, Jonathan Edwards, one of my fields of research and writing has been the American theologian Jonathan Edwards 18th century, the greatest theologian of the Americas.

That's of prevailing scholarly consensus, not just my view, and Jonathan Edwards was a descendent of the Puritans. He was in a Puritan per se but but but he was schooled in the Puritan theological tradition and Edwards believe in a future return of the Jews from all over the world to Israel that he was a scientist I just published an article Jonathan Edwards Christian Zionist and he said the following people like increase.

Matthew Mather, the great Puritan theologian and I and one of Edward's predecessors that when the Jews return the land they would not be converted yet to Jesus that would come later and some of them appealed to the great vision in Ezekiel 37 of the dry bones coming to life and they said notice it proceeds in stages by step, first dry bones and then say news and then later fleshes added then breath, then they stand up and then God puts the spirit within notice the stages and the last stage is God putting his spirit within them spiritual renewal.

So things seem to be proceeding according to biblical prophecy yeah and even just from the simple Scripture sovereignty of God question we know that if God scatters no one can regather if he blesses no one can curse if he opens the door. No one can shut as he shuts the door. No one can open it. Theologians say that God scatters the Jewish people in his wrath and anger. When they finally rejected the Messiah brought judgment on Jerusalem scatter the people living who regather them if if if we could regather ourselves as Jews are not usually read we got ourselves that we could undo what God did, and then the other question to ask World War II Nazis restoration was what was God doing nothing, throw the stop is.

Is it just just happened. Now, suddenly, against all odds, the Jewish people back in the land. I think not. Got a couple more minutes with my guest, Dr. Joe McDermott get the book Israel matters what Christians must think differently about the people and the land. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6634 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown looking friends to our early broadcasts, this is Michael Brown for the recall 866-34-TRUTH any Jewish related Hebrew related middle string related question you have of any kind that we can help you with Jewish tradition Old Testament prophecy Jewish back into the New Testament.

Anything we can help you with an effect I want to talk about the solar eclipses that tie in with some prophetic data but will talk about all that 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 87884 the number to call, but first I have the joy of having guest with me is gone for a few minutes but rarely get them to come on just for a few more minutes.

Dr. Joe McDermott. He is the Anglican Church of divinity at Beeson Divinity school author edited numerous books holds a PhD from the University of Iowa. He is a theologian all of his believing life teaching life. He understood that the church had just placed Israel and God's promises that Israel as a nation did not have special future promises juice and get saved. Like anyone else within that special future promises for the nation of Israel and the modern state of Israel did nothing to do with prophetic fulfillment and then something happened that dramatically change his life. He tells a story and opens it up scripturally in the new book Israel matters so Dr. McDermott just really quickly and folks have to get the book to to get the rest the turning point.

The thing that started to open your eyes you are in Israel. You are on tour. What is it that God used to really get you to rethink your position widely. One of the critical things. Dr. Brown was Romans 1128 and 20 9II did I read it hundreds of times.

Of course in all the sudden under the pressure of being in Israel and being with some scholars who recognize these things who were asking me probing questions.

All of a sudden these verses jumped off the page as regards the gospel they know who the day. These are the Jews who did not accept Jesus as Messiah. You and partly you notice the Romans, Paul is writing this roughly 30 years after his conversion toward the end of his life. It's it's it's it's the most mature expression of other's theology and he says they these duty don't accept Jesus are enemies of God for your sake but as regards election they are beloved, now that that that that word are just blew me away. Hence, they still are beloved to God for the sake of their forefathers and I had never seen that present tense are I mean I've seen it, but I hadn't seen it, they still are beloved 30 years on Paul is still saying all of his thousands of Jewish brothers and sisters who had not accepted Jesus still are beloved to God. I thought God given up on them if they had accepted Jesus, they were cursed they could not be in a beloved in in you know they could not have been beloved to God. But Paul says there still beloved and then he says for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable cannot be revoked in all the gifts involve all the covenant promises including and especially the gift of the land which most Christians don't know that's repeated a thousand times in the Old Testament. The longing for land scholars of said is a greater longing, the Old Testament and then anything else except for God and and we Christian scholars have really missed the boat on this deep connection of land to the covenant we thought. Covenant is just the Jews relationship to God and our relationship to God. But what we really missed in the Old Testament. Also, the New Testament is that first is that if there are two critical things that God promised to Abraham his progeny sons and and and land on the land repeated a thousand times.

I friends I met her time with Dr. McDermott so you need to get the book but God bless you for having the integrity to file the testimony of Scripture, Everett led the new book Israel matters by Christians must think differently about the people and lead secretary.

Thanks so much for joining us today is my pleasure to bless the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 86. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us on a modified broadcasts. This is Michael Brown. It is thoroughly Jewish theirs that we are having a computer problem playing some clips you don't get to hear the Israeli music used to hearing at the beginning of each segment. Let's let's talk for a moment about the coming solar eclipse, 8663 per 87884 any Jewish related question you have. Let me know and it will be my joy to do my best to answer that question. I am looking at different websites that are suggesting that the solar eclipse taking place on Monday and depending where you are in America will be different time and it is some it can be seen across American space. The over America is a clear prophetic warning to our nation and there are various reasons for saying that now it's not just some Christian leaders in America that are saying that I have read some quotes from rabbis rabbis living in Israel right now. For example, Rabbi Lazar Brody American-born, but ultras of Orthodox rabbi with a large following in Israel and on YouTube and NG saying that this is a special sign as well. So a few questions.

Number one is it possible that God is using the eclipse to get our attention.

Are you sure sure, in principle, I have no argument whatsoever.

No argument whatsoever with the idea that God can get our attention through natural phenomena. Note no issue with that whatsoever, and in fact it's something that I respect as as a general way that God works.

So that's the first thing again. I have I have no problem in series with something like this that God is using an eclipse to get our attention. The question is, is it tied in with a clear prophetic warning so somewhat similar look. It's happening on a Jewish day on the calendar which is actually it's in the month of of and some have pointed out that in Judaism. It's called Yom Kippur, Canton, meaning the minor Yom Kippur.

The minor day of atonement, the, the small Day of atonement that it's a day of repentance and Judaism as the high holy days are getting closer so according to Rabbi Lazar Brody and Kabul law Jewish mysticism. The sun represents the nations of the world and the moon represents Israel. This eclipse is only over the United States. That is a shout from above saying America, get your act together come back to the Almighty and cast away all your legalization of what the Torah calls abominations idol worship isn't only bowing down to idols in the US there are people who worship homosexuality and perversion. One of the reasons the Talmud states for a solar eclipse, so again first first question is God using the eclipse to get our attention while I don't know.

In the natural. The words I say is not living today are Jeremiah set living today to tell us in Scripture, or their prophetic voices are the people here.yes, of course, but as it would have Scripture we don't have the authoritative witness saying something to us. However, God can certainly speak to us by his Spirit and speak to leaders across America who say God is trying to get our attention with this solar eclipse, so it could well be. I just haven't heard it shouted yet from the pulpits in a way that God is clearly speaking this if he is I trust that we will hear and make it known the fact though again that it's specifically over the United States looking at some comments on breaking Israel news the upcoming eclipse is exceedingly rare and viewed from a larger perspective, the heavenly bodies creating a picture that clearly has divine important though it is been 99 years since eclipse traveled the length and breadth of the US.

The next such occurrence will be in just seven years and April 8, 2024. Another total solar eclipse will transfer as North America. But the visible path will go on the opposite direction passing from the northeast to the southwest. In other words, you're going to have one that goes one way when that goes the other way as if there was a giant acts a giant acts over the nation. So, according to Rabbi Brody in the Talmud supercar 29 a babbling Thomas a coach when I may if it eclipse appears in the West. It is a sign that idol worship has prevailed, and Rabbi Brody sister man's actions. God's influence in the world is being hidden in the state of Hester pie name, which is not hiding his face. This all very very interesting and has my attention without doubt, without doubt is a time shaking in America with or without an eclipse without doubt it's a time of real chaos and darkness. Does the eclipse get our attention will let us pray Lord if you're trying to speak to us through us. If it is your intent to speak to us through this get our attention, let it be clear that our hearts and minds be open that to be some sense of awe yes it is a natural phenomenon that can be explained and predicted scientifically and it is an awesome phenomenon and a breathtaking phenomenon, so my scientific friends of St. don't mess. Seeing this is a rare opportunity. Don't miss seeing. According to Rabbi Brody. This lunar eclipse said to me that there is a blemish in the face of the Jews and I'm nuts about the nonreligious the religious Jews need to repent even more faith in its photo commands list of lifters above the stars. When we cling to how sham got above we don't have to worry about what's happening in the world global when Jews cling to the ways the American lifestyle we lose the connection with a sham. God again, this is the position of an ultra Orthodox rabbi and I'm reading from Adam Eliahu Berkowitz's story, a major upcoming solar eclipse holds divine moral warning for America acquaintance rabbi on breaking Israel news.com so what am I saying what am I saying what I am saying is this, I cannot say with any certainty. Just because in my own heart. I don't understand it as such, that this marks a major wake-up call to America and God is getting her attention.

However, he may well use it that way.

He may well turn this together with a call for repentance and look were were in volatile times and I want to speak to us candidly as I can. I I am finishing soon as I have the opportunity an open letter to our president to be able to read it.*Brown.org probably later tonight it'll be on numerous websites tonight and tomorrow. Right where I am appealing to him to be a father not a fighter right now from appealing to him to be a unifying not to fighting force in the nation's that's the tall order. I understand he's the president is our president so I can think of a worse person be present. Right now, that's semi-feel at what he's our president and and he is the man right now, put there by God. So so we are praying for him when you voted for him and not praying from just like we pray for Pres. Obama. When we voted for him or not. It is vile and evil and ugly to say that he is some type of Nazi sympathizer.

I'm looking at magazines where it covered the front cover of major magazine economist Rupert timer others in a date related directly or indirectly making it clear he's the mouthpiece for the KKK or he's a Nazi hateful sympathizer or whatever it is that's ugly he has utterly and clearly denounced neo-Nazis, white supremacists is evil and you watch a video clip from during the campaign went over it already repudiated David to what degree. I repeated over and over and over and over right, could he have made better statements in the midst of Charlottesville yes yes are we looking for him to not be so combative with the media right now and trip to rise higher and to say look right now is not the time for more hate and more anger and more violence.

Yes, he had every right to condemn the violence on the left. But there is a way to do it in a place and time to do it. That being said is going to slam the matter what, but he comes out with a statement on Monday by name, slamming the Nancy condemning neo-Nazis and white, white supremacist KKK was response.

Well not enough of your body language should you rent really worth you really weren't into it. That was really you write that listen. There is a ferocity of attack and anger on both sides on all sides right now is getting people worked up into a frenzy.

Let's step back.

Let's step higher. The say Lord here I am using Lord here I am, send me Lord, I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem and let us pray for Pres. to stand tall as a unifier of people right now. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I yeah great great point FrontPage Magazine. Thank you for making this by let's let's play fair right to play fair. What's good for the goose is good for the gander ready to play fair here on the line of fire. If you get a difference with me at issue with me, tell me 866-34-TRUTH 784 okay throughout the campaign candidly trump called on the carpet leaders, Democratic leaders brought Obama or Clinton who would not say, by name, radical Islamic terror right column on the carpet. What would you say it won't. You name and then he explicitly did he did during his inaugural speech he did even a speech in Saudi Arabia mentioned radical Islamic terror terrorism by name by name right so did he ever right to do that yes was he right in doing that. Yes. Should he have called out leaders who didn't do it. Yes, so then the immediate aftermath of Charlottesville, where he draws attention to violence on both sides and Eve on both sides. There was there was, however, that context the best thing to do is to start with this.

I categorically condemn neo-Nazis, white supremacists, KKK, I am poor with a stand for their anti-American they stand against this presidency and the direction that we are taking this nation have the right to march peacefully and I is the president have the right to say. I deplore what they stand for now. I just ended. People were upset but you don't respond to that with your own violence in your own attack.

Then you can deal with the site but because he did not call out those other groups by name, but supremacist neo-Nazis KKK. All right, whatever because he did not call them out by name. He was lambasted Dan Knight by the press and others until Monday and then Monday he made a statement which the press is not far enough for us too little too late. I would like your body language whenever and to say things got really heated were not rehashing all of that, here's what we can say Chris will be canceled.

Now that he has done what he has needed to do named things by name. Call them out and he was called hypocritical for not doing it. Okay, so now the left-wing media that is shouting at him there screaming at him. What you say what's promised when you say what's France's one you see KKK one you say neo-Nazis okay. He did, he did all right now let's turn around so the political leaders who went after him this turnaround. The liberal press that went after him is been another Islamic terror attack in Barcelona, Spain. Right Islamic terrorists killing innocent people in Spain wounding others, killing 13 at least. So to all the left-wing media told left-wing journalists to all the liberal bloggers to all of you who have been going after Pres. trump day and night since Saturday through Monday what you call when you specifically what you name names are it will all of you right now. Call out names will all of you name this for what it is. Radical Islamic terrorism, as this is none to do with Islam. All will hang on hang on your the present to name names and be specific in certain ways and do certain things you you want him to do that.

But now you want a new hypnosis, terror, etc. they identifies Moslems look you want me to say white supremacist as a white I can call White's risk is the sobbing of white and white has a new superiority be medicines with hatred now unit label it that's white supremacy and and I rejected. I deplore it. I hated nothing in common with quite well why not name names now. Why not say we reject radical Islamic terror.

They claim to be Muslims. They claim to be doing what they're doing in the name of Allah. They they are they are doing things for which they can find justification in their holy books and sacred texts. Many of them are very devout and pray numerous times daily in at least outwardly live by the Islamic precepts, why not call them what they are with their perverting Islam right that just like the KKK uses their tax and they can okay, so what we say about that. Here is the difference disable seat you said it right there. The KKK the claim to be Christians but not these guys going to most of that that's where you're missing the parallel the fact of the matter is there is nothing in the Gospels is nothing in the teaching of Jesus. There is nothing in the New Testament that supports the KKK in their ideology zero nothing. Nothing at all, but there's plenty in the cross and there's plenty Islamic tradition and there's plenty in the teaching of radical Muslims through the centuries that supports radical Islamic hatred and terror.

It does, that's why. Often, Islam has been so bloodily.

Yes, others read the text different. I fully respect Muslims that reject the terror I deeply respect Muslims say this is not a religion world where was I was taking a taxi ride somewhere a few weeks ago. I guess I was in DC, and the taxi driver was from Afghanistan and he was a very serious Muslim nicest guy in the world.

We had a great talk EE I a prayed blessing for him before he left and talked about Jesus, but he said like I've studied this out. I watch what happened in my country.

I watch what happened with the Taliban said that is not as long I'm telling is that is it. I can back it up. I can back it up with the life of Mohammed.

I've studied this and he was devout and he was hers. I respect that.

I believe that you can be a sincere devout Muslim who denounces and renounces terror attacks and all those things but I also believe that you can be a sincere Muslim who does those terrible things and commits those heinous acts back based on your religious sources based on your religious sources. I believe and that's why we must denounce it by name, but it's call it out and say radical Islamic terror in the late every Muslim stand up and say we denounce it with you to as many do, and I commend those who do as to what is the true interpretation of the carotid when others debate that.

Suffice it to say that radical Islam is a true interpretation of the carotid all right friends I am out of time, but I want to tell you something I I am not I am not here to sell your book. I'm here to sell you on having hope I'm here to sell you on having hope it is not to late for America. America can be changed is not too late for great awakening is not too late for gospel based moral and cultural reformation. It is not too late in my new book, saving a sick America dripping off the pages jumping off the pages shouting from the pages is the message of hope. Hope hope America can yet be changed and touched and transformed go to saving a sick America.

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