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December 13, 2017 4:50 pm
From the elections in Alabama to a Christian perspective on feminism or come your way today it's time for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your exam is Dr. Michael Brown. There's a whole lot talk about your process immediately after results were in the election was called for Democrat Doug Jones in Alabama last night. I put some thoughts out on the video immediately and actually wrote to articles will be getting into some of the contents of that shortly. But, as always, we want to come from a gospel perspective. As we look at what's happening in the world around us. This is Michael Brown. Welcome to the line of fire and today the first half-hour were going to focus on the Alabama elections and try to estimate larger questions and get a divine perspective if we can, or at least questions that will help us to respond in a gospel based way will be doing that. If you like to call in 866-34-TRUTH 866-348-7884 but I want to start off with something a little different been listening to reading as much news coverage as I could follow.
Since the race was called last night for Democrat Doug Jones in Alabama and I haven't seen this angle talked about much, but it's got me wondering after I wrote my first article about this issue last night. I thought you don't let me write a separate article addressing this.
Here is my question did Matt Drudge in the highly conservative Drudge Report website, which gets some months well over 1 billion page views is a news aggregator. It just puts headlines up on the page just historic headlines and obviously reports on what it thinks is important and obviously influences people and that way is strongly strongly pro-Tromp pro-conservative and yet hotly opposed Judge Roy Moore why was because there it appears to be a personal issue between Matt Drudge of the Drudge Report and Steve Bannon of Breitbart. I want to just look at some of the recent headlines that were on Drudge Report, for example on election day. Just take a look at some of these headlines judge does interview with 12-year-old girl shows up to vote on horseback.
Friend gives brothel defense, more is less. Push it's me or the lynch mob media Scarborough hits back at Bannon nation watches on eve of toxic collection. Unlike the nailbiter drama in years explosive and judgment day. Okay, so most of those disparaging headlines about Judge Moore and now the main headline on the page look at this. It's got Judge Moore riding on horseback and it's is broke back election broke back the argument to broke back Mountain with the infamous movie about two gay lovers Kate kcal. But what broke back election and then when it was called for Democrat Doug Jones. Remember he is a staunch liberal Drudge Report is staunchly conservative. The main headlines that that ram and for those watching on YouTube are putting this on the screen now those are the watch later on video you can see this look at what the main headline read damn wins Alabama White House shell shock and then Bannon busted that this is the major headline on Drudge Bannon busted because Steve Bannon made it his personal cause to see Roy Moore elected basically guaranteed present job.
He's going to get in endorse him.
That's what we understand so Drudge Report read by a lot of people were more loses by what 20 1/2 thousand votes 20,500 roughly I wonder if Drudge Report discouraged enough conservatives in Alabama.
They weren't sure what they're going to do and all the negative headlines gave them the further incentive for getting your just not about being Matt Drudge negatively influenced elections against one more just because her by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown is transferred Alabama and shocking.
On the one hand, that a liberal Democrat one and very conservative Alabama not shocking when you realize everything that was up against Roy Moore. So, not just the fact that you had the Republican establishment coming against him, and then the Democratic establishment coming against him. Even Pres. Obama putting out a call to counter the call from Pres. Tromp trumps a vote for more promising vote for Jones. That's is that the big issue.
The sexual allegations the sexual charges that I've said this repeatedly. If I believed he was guilty. I could not vote for him in good conscience, you say, but it was four years ago God can forgive. I agree with all all of us are forgiven of something on some level right on a daily basis. God forgives us. Certainly many of us have histories that are anything but savory in God's forgiveness of those things. But here's the difference in one point this out again. I saw an article I was alerted to unfriendly atheist attacking me once more for my position on on George Moore as he attacked me once more we get attacked there with some regularity, which is finds laws that are rehearsed often and watching videos.
That's great, but they they seem to miss my point that I say that if I believed he was guilty I would not and could not vote for him use a gambit that there's been no pattern of that for decades. All the accusations are so old I understand. But if he was guilty. Then he's lying about it today. That was my issue was if I thought he was guilty. I wouldn't and couldn't vote for him.
Why, because he was guilty then and is lying about it today. Which means he's guilty today and when you are 10 Commandments person when you're known as a Bible-based 10 Commandments committed conservative Christian and you are a lying hypocrite unless he is a government I make that accusation, but if he was guilty then then he is a lying hypocrite today.
Not only so the women that he would have abused or been guilty of having misconduct with either the teenagers these young women right if if he was guilty of that and they're coming forward and saying now is denying he's further sinning against them is a habit but hang on. Were talking about saving baby laws were yeah I am still up and I am not going to vote for someone that I know to be a hypocritical liar claiming to be a Christian is one thing of voting for Pres. Tromp to get what we expect to get meaning I'm not expected to be Christian. Pray that he will be but not expecting them to be. And knowing it's can be a mixed bag week when it would come to Roy Moore, ID voting for him because he's conservative Christian and yet if he was lying. I can vote for now because I didn't know if the charges against him are true and it's wild I hear from people every day all day long that say how can anyone think he's guilty. How can anyone for a split second think it is guilty he so clearly not guilty. These are false allegations and I'm looking over it YouTube comment from Kristin get ready.
The Democrats will throw sexual allegations of every Republican from now on.
They found a working tactic now will it if that was the case that's true you can falsely accuse anybody and it was there tarnished. Everyone has to run from them. But if I wasn't sure, and that's the case, I read every day people thing of course is guilty. It's clearly did a lousy job of denying to change the stories and on and on and on. So the one hand the other hand, is how you possibly think is guilty so my final conclusion was I don't know therefore if I was planning to vote for him. I would vote for him with the expectation, not that a course with take him to trial would be that he be held before an earthly judge but ascetic ethics committee would be forced to investigate and he'd have to swear under oath and the people testifying against it would have to swear under oath, and I would believe that we would get to the truth. In that case, and then either he would be vindicated and exonerated or he would be found guilty which case you have to step aside that we have another proper election and when that hopefully we could just vote on the issues and not have to deal with the allegations so that was my position is very difficult decision for people to make and even so, the election ended up being very very close if George Moore had done a better job of handling the accusations and how you responded. Perhaps that would've made the difference. If the Republican establishment hadn't been against him that have made the difference a little bit more advertising funding and backing were people voting against Pres. Tromp and in this is a backlash against him with his low approval ratings. Conversely, that is endorsement help. These are questions that others will sort out but let me refer to an article that David French wrote attorney conservative columnist. He was in the never Tromp camp. II agree with so much of what he writes differ here and there but so appreciate his writing on the national review in the corner.
He has an article Alabama conservatives made their stand and they read the beginning of his article.
Let's plainly state the reason why Roy Moore lost tonight. Alabama conservatives took a stand by the tens of thousands a the state home voted for other candidates or in some instances voted for Doug Jones to say the conservatives be more Roy Moore is not to take one thing away from junk Doug Jones. He ran a smart race immobilized Democrats and as voters came to the polls large numbers large enough to win, but this is Alabama. He could've run the perfect race and he still is lost if conservatives supported their party's nominee. Very true. In other words, when the vote started coming in.
Even the Roy Moore was the head. The projections were that he could well end up losing by a few points. Why, because in the areas where he expected massive support massive conservative Christian support. He ended up getting less support than expected. Just a little increase there would've made a massive difference in the voting and he easily were of one that turned out wasn't there. Now the question is, is that a good thing or a bad thing for David French is highly commendable. Now someone ended up voting for Doug Jones, a conservative voting for Doug Jones instead of Rome right so that's ridiculous because he is a strong liberal candidate. He is a strong pro-abortion candidate and you don't and conscience both for settlement agreement, vote for pro-life candidate.
You think your scandalous associate with a person. This vote for someone else. You don't vote, but don't throw vote in the opposite direction, but David French thinks it's highly commendable. His wife is written on this as well with sensitivity to women or been abused and and they said good work, Christians, conservatives, and Alabama. You did the right thing you showed integrity.
You didn't vote in lasts. The whole thing is a headpiece and unless this is a political hit job against a good man.
Otherwise, yes I would say they did the honorable thing now, Cal Thomas has an article published in a number of different websites and Cal Thomas is an article Roy Moore gone and the choices evangelicals must make. This was immediately before the election, and any says this at the end of his article. So you both that the chief priests and others who gave you this money to betray Jesus as then today's chief priests and church members are being asked to make a choice.
One choice might give short-term satisfaction as Esau experience with us temporally filled stomach, but it leads to a loss of credibility in the eyes of the world. It demonstrates that the Christians attaining earthly and temporal power is paramount. Yes Cal Thomas used to be part of the religious right and then really pulled away from that over period of time he still a strong conservative a strong conservative voice really question a lot of with religious right is doing that reflects his thinking, but I respect that as well. In other words, were we saying I don't care if he's guilty or not.
I don't care if the charges are true.
Not unclear if he is lying through his teeth are not. We need a Republican majority. We need another pro-life senator in there to get the president's agenda accomplished and therefore will vote for him. He saying you do that you're like Esau reselling your birthright just for for a little porridge now to your hungry, you're not thinking long term anything. If we voted like this, we would thereby sacrifice our integrity. So maybe we get the extra senatorial seat right now but it will cause more repulsion towards our position as believers, less respect for our integrity more and more people thinking that we just compromise will vote for anybody.
We don't care about ethics anymore. I think that's an excellent point as well in lasts.
The charges against Roy Moore were false. You have to just realize many fine people voted for him because they didn't believe the charges were true, and if they believe the charges were true they wouldn't have voted nonetheless. This is where we stand. Nonetheless, there has been much prayer for this.
Now the question is moving forward. How do we deal with this. How do we address this, we come back. I want to raise five questions for you. Of great importance for evangelicals in the aftermath of the Alabama election to light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH paradigm is Dr. Michael Brown want to do something cool. If you have a cell phone you got it android enough. You drive your cartilage right now right Michigan pulled for second but you get it android phones of Samsung.
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The best statements and other issues in our past that I understand all that anyone talk about when America was great. Yet even yet would get. Slavery was bad.
We are great that what I thought he was saying was a lot of great things in our country, then of course we had the heart of slavery which is terrible but yet there were great things in America. During that time, and not all of American slavery, but we had the terrible blight the horrific inexcusable blight of slavery. I didn't think he was minimizing epithelia.
Statements like that you Wish you would say things differently. Obviously, but I want to step back and said okay he didn't get in and we pray, and it may not be the outcome. Some of us wanted and again I don't know if he's guilty not be skilled at the monument right so here we are. How do we respond, I wrote an article last night entitled five questions for evangelicals in the aftermath of Roy Moore's defeat five questions for evangelicals in the aftermath of Roy Moore's defeat on shirtless five questions with you now number one will be guilty of putting our trust in the Republican party overreaches okay we can keep the central regatta and and know all of goes this way. No real live majority, 51 to 54 that you actually think the Republican Party is going to be God's agent of change to bring about more on cultural information in America all yes by large Republicans are on the good side of pro-life issues and religious liberty issues standing with Israel issues and national security. Those things are important to me. But just think of political establishment that reminds you you cannot put your trust in the party and one of the great failures of the moral majority in James Robison's been on the air many times to say this with me was that it made itself an appendage of the Republican Party.
There are white evangelicals still looking to the Republican Party bring a change black evangelicals into the Democratic Party to bring about change and and we cannot put our trust in the political party to bring about changes were involved in politics.
Yes, with your independent Republican Democrat go regatta because you would get involved as he calls you to be but we cannot put our trust in the party to bring about change. That's someone so were we guilty of putting our trust in Republican Party question number two, number two. Do we pray for the elections more than for awakening, come on.
This is a serious question that we need to ask, do we pray for the elections more than for awakening. What's more important to get selected or the church coming alive through awakening was to have a greater long-term effect on the nation. Yes, who's in the Supreme Court's important.
Yes, who's the present support yes is in Congress is important, but far more important is awakening is nothing to change everything from the bottom up to the top and back down if we only gave ourselves to prayer, fervent prayer we we give ourselves to talk about the elections of getting involved in the elections and even pray for the elections. I believe America could be shaken. Question number three will be willing to trade our integrity for us each and Congress will be willing to trade our integrity for receipt and Congress. In other words, if you said the I think Roy Moore's go to the charges and is lying about it now, but we gotta get somebody in there to stop the liberals and stop the baby killing you don't find that problematic. Again, we don't know if he's guilty or not but you don't find it problematic that you would say yeah I know the guy is a lying hypocrite.
He claims to be a committed Christian, but is lying through his teeth. He's defaming the women that he sinned against years ago doesn't matter if you can vote for that person with integrity of heart.
Again, I see this very different voting for president trump what went when they came up that horrific tape of his that audiotape of his from 10 years ago this ridiculous crude, ugly, inexcusable, despicable comments about women alright went when he did that and people were mortified that so I thought the guy was back then and hopefully taken some forward steps, but that's what I thought he was didn't surprise me at all. My hope was that God was working in his heart and that he was taking forward steps that somehow God was using this unsaved man to be a friend of the church to help in certain key ways. But to this day, his weaknesses are glaring and and cause problems. That's very different than someone lying through their teeth, claiming to be a boring and Christian and and and being an outright hypocrite. I can vote for that person and conscience get we don't know that's the case, but subset Autocare. I vote for him anyway. That raises questions of integrity. Question number four. If our greatest weapons are spiritual while using them. If our greatest weapons are spiritual. Why aren't we using them.
Why are we giving ourselves to prayer, fasting, evangelism, reaching the lost. Isn't that going to have a greater impact on our culture.
The church winning the lost and seeing a massive harvest of souls isn't that going to have a greater impact on our culture than whoever's elected to Congress then question number five. Are we willing to trust the Lord regardless of the outcome of the election.
I know the questions of God's sovereignty sets up and removes kings let's kings because people can vote when you vote to see just let you vote and you get what you deserve. While ultimately, we pray and we ask God to work and we have to trust God with the results, whether they are blessing or whether they are judgment, but the key thing is we must put our trust in the living God that if Roy Moore was shafted and am a good man was taken out. God will ultimately turn it around for good, and if we made some mistakes along the way government teach us turn the shifting subjects very important discussion about feminism Christian we come back.
It's the line of fire with your host activist and author internationals leader and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown welcome welcome to the line of fire from the end we have a special you and I'll tell you about that in a moment last night after Judge Jones was declared the winner of the elections in Alabama. I immediately put out a video commentary with some spiritual reflections. Then I wrote an article on five questions for evangelicals after the Alabama elections and then I wrote another article asking if Matt Drudge or Drudge Report help take the election away from Roy Moore. Everything is up online or over at the stream so you can watch on Facebook by video commentary.
You can read on the S. Dr. Brown website or on the stream.
You can read my articles and we just been talking about this the last half hour, roughly, so you can catch the earlier part of the broadcast. But we are shifting themes now for some weeks, I've wanted to get a radial colleague on the air with me Julie Royce. She's written a brand-new book redeeming the feminine soul redeeming the feminine soul God surprising vision for womanhood. I first connected with Julie and her husband in 1993 when they invited me to debate Orthodox rabbi in Chicago. To my shock, the debate actually happened and how that happened. That's a whole other story we been in touch with different ministry things over the years and she hosts a terrific Saturday broadcast on the movie network is carried by hundred 45 stations are more called up for debate. I've been on it several times were you have really lively, intelligent debates about different theological areas. Areas of real division so it's been a joy to be on Julie show a bunch of times and the timing of this is just right because Merriam-Webster every year they say here's the word of the year to be some new word that's coined or the word that's in a come back in. In an interplay in a major way will the word of the year for Merriam-Webster was feminism feminism, so I want to go over to Julie now and Johnny.
I just need you to to connect us. They are not able to access my computer.
If you could put Julie on the air now that would be great, but generally it's great to have you as a guest on my show on our river article in the only thing is you don't get to debate anybody but but maybe I'll play devils advocate here and there, so we just got a short segment now but but just take a minute or two to explain why you felt you were the right person to write a book on the subject. Well a lot of redeeming all-around personal journey to embrace anyone because I got a weapon in a lot of ways I think a lot because we have and a lot of character to vision 100 and neither one of them I think are particularly attractive women you have answered of your traditional fundamentalist division of womanhood and I think a lot of women feel like actinide, their basic humanity and it doesn't take into account the gifting and there the way that perhaps they don't get that sort of hyper feminine caricature that they sometimes feel that those Turkic minutes.
I feel that a lot of chafing against bad and a lot of churches, but I know what that's like Baptist Church. It felt like because I'm a woman that they the opportunities are not there and that I'm not repeating the think training and really doors are being planned in my faith because of my gender. I understand that struggle and it's funny that you say that feminism I read that this morning gifting date the word of the year and we have a lot of feminist churches and banging on the other hand had this vision of one where male and female are really interchangeable lightly and can do whatever Magner meant when I was in my 20s not, I actually leaned Mark on it that I do come full circle cut when in my life there is there is a difference. Yeah, we just didn't just a jump in. Take a quick break here maybe right back with Julie Royce.
Her new book redeeming the feminine soul God surprising vision for womanhood with a forward by Kay Arthur Murtha.
The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown best friends for joining us were taking a break. Alabama elections Jones and all of that we got a lot of commentary and video and article form from last night till this morning, but we are talking about God's view of womanhood and God's view of of feminism is feminism always a wrong demonic ugly saying is there something positive that we can associate with feminism is is a way to redeem it. Julie Royce, my guest is written the book redeeming the feminine soul God surprising vision for womanhood. If you've never listen to up for debate. It it's really really well done on the upper debate show the Julie house on Moody radio and not only did I have gas good guest taking up different issues, but the interview other people in advance and you get lots of really neat perspectives on issue so if you've never listen to that. Just check it out on Moody radio Julie, when you hear the word feminism when comes to mind first when you hear that word contrary). A lot of people say that because feminism writing in our culture. I think that because we think of auditing relate to Brandt Roy Margaret been talking a lot about today. We think of misogyny literally means hatred of women we think of that introit.
I the abuse and harassment. Exploitation of women in Matthew real overt misogyny, but they're the kind of health misogyny that I talk about in my book and it is not the hatred of women but hatred of the 19 that rampant in feminism today because what Gloria Finan felt proudly proclaimed in about three decades ago. She said were becoming the man we wanted to marry another person. I when believe that being done is better than being plan that we actually have a bias against our own gender that we don't value anymore.
What we uniquely bring to the table, looking at is a tragedy after tragedy and interesting even when when you saw all of the activities and on every think about it. What happened with Bill Clinton and yet it back kind of people that are the women under the bot. It was glorious in my life. Thank matter or a Ari Denny you know the law acolyte feminist movement sheet that I nonparent but Bill Clinton did in supporting abortion.
Talk about a misogynistic bank actually encouraging women to kill their own progeny. I can't think of anything dormant. Other than that it had been a part of feminism and that the reason Benny and Dan that we support Bill Clinton, even elegant abused women sort of thing for me at the train. Women need a fact that even have to earn it out feminism Bannon anything in the name and a part of me as a woman because it so fundamentally betrayed who we are and what we pamper and what God designed us to be yet not want to get into the positives and explore that in a moment, but again Merriam-Webster says the word of the year is feminism a feminism beats complicit to be Merriam-Webster's Word of the year and defined as the theory of the political, economic, and social equity quality of the sexes feminine feminism spiked in online searches. After the global women's march and revelations about Harvey Weinstein.
All right, obviously, the more that we can point to inequality mistreatment abuse. The more we highlight those things, the better. But in your judgment, since the rise of the feminist movement, or are women happier and more content. Today they were not, in fact, there. One study that has been following women are like the past five decades.
We actually reported that we are happier than men, and over the past few decades. It actually went to Cornell man report that there happier than women with movement. If it had a true solution to the problem of women's oppression in the world.
If that was the true solution. You would think Michael but that the fact of feminism is that many died in our culture that we would be happier or not, happier, and a true care that it never actually book that was published a while back, ecology, cloaking feminism in payment. As believers we can embrace the thing and that's subtitled about it, the radical notion that women are people too and that to me now disingenuous because that is not at all and is about and I'm glad the new definition can take that into account in ideology and if an incident you know it can't ignore that it's not about women wanting to be treated equal and then ran it really is an ideology that fundamentally anti-Christian idea and will explore them as well but let's let's talk personally to new book by Julie Royce redeeming the feminine soul God surprising vision for womanhood. So we will before this interview is over explore some of the surprising vision Odyssey folks after read to get the rest put you into a personal crisis in your own life almost destroyed your marriage told us about that company.
I never would've expected that I've encountered at three and pairing perfect likely doing ministry right and found myself in the extremely codependent relationship, but I don't know whether the time.
Now I understand that it is sort of a dependency on someone being dependent on you and getting your knee and I have it unmet need and you try to meet and functionally for caring for somebody out awful situation and I know how I got there really it. As I began the healing process after I broke off the relationship which was incredibly difficult to do, but after I did that and I began to hear and thought that I began to understand that I had done deficit in my childhood because my mother had placed my siblings in boarding school to favor missionaries and a kind of a mostly cut off from our kids and I created a situation where I was perfectible to codependent. But the thing that really floored me. Don't know what to make of a codependent Indica 85% of the literature codependent literature by women at the predominantly not likely, but predominantly female dysfunction and so you know today society can't figure out why that is because they faded nothing mental about being one in our mail. They parroted my fifth minute women are are somehow conditioned to be that way but I knew that I wasn't condition to be codependent. In fact, I was brought up to be fiercely independent and that uniquely Bannon dysfunction and innately suspected that point Michael that Mandy my femininity isn't something that Anthony in on the external my body needed something actually woven into all and I am essentially different than a man in my all and not with something where ballot the new idea because, again, at this point in my life and in my early 30s I leaned feminist & wondering what is best about it really rock my world, but any ~well for God to begin to plan something new and teach me a little bit about what it really mean a lot. It's so why then did God make us male and female is is it only a matter of procreation is simply a matter. If you need a male and female to produce a child to raise a child, is that it or is there more to it while I'm on my question and I would start a garden investment I wear one plywood 40 years old when I grew up in the church. My whole lineman I'd never heard it before but I began reading something called theology of the body and it really took a compilation of sermon by John Paul II. I'm not Catholic, I have real problems with Catholic theology, and I wondered you know that okay get out of it is a product we can better what he writing about Orthodox and I never going to the professor that Moody nothing. I have to dig military theology, but I learned at 127 it said in his entity created us male and female he created a male and female that reflect the image of God won't like that when you go to Genesis 224 that the two become one flask and I learned that union of male and female to separate person different person becoming 1/actually been considered by theologian and a Trinitarian thimble of God the father, son and Holy Spirit. Three different person is one and then you get bored to Ephesians 5 anything that that one flask union and guarantors), but this time it that it is a mystery revealing Christ's relationship with his church and so I began male and female merit. One flask union actually had a sacramental purpose in that it revealed these mysteries of God in deep spiritual reality and it Scripture begins in Genesis with the letting it been revelations with the leading ethernet marriage really at the grand metaphor of Scripture. It is one of the key to interpreting everything in between. And so Michael I began to realize why that under 100 hacked because Satan out if he can destroy our understanding of male and female and of the union of husband and wife that we will have trouble not Apprehending God himself, but also how God relates to pride and then I began to understand. I'm living into a much greater reality when I embrace my design get out little things I is a lot to unpack to your friends than you thought. Julie Royce redeeming the feminine soul God surprising vision for womanhood right back. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown just want to mention how reels of link there. My article on five questions for evangelicals to ask in the aftermath of elections in another article that will post later asking another question.
The influence that Matt Drudge and Drudge Report may have had negatively on Roy Moore just perspective on here a lot talking about but my focus now speaking with Julie Royce.
Her new book redeeming the feminine soul God surprising vision for womanhood. Julie what about marriage and motherhood due to women need to find a passion outside of that, should everything be found within marriage and motherhood. How how you sort that out.
Well, it cannot tell her story in the book. I went to a conference and a woman speaking in her home pocket about her mother and how her mother and devoted her life to raising children, and then he or she got middle-aged, she realized that she didn't know who she was, in an order purpose was for the gift question lock yourself out and at raising children, and though she began going to a counselor going overseas and began getting involved in activism and all the different things that she found her epiphany throughout the whole process was that she was much more alive, but you doing all that activism and she was doing the job of being a mother to take on what your mother did nothing but you need to find fulfillment outside of those things you know the finer things that really up to fill you in. The other passion for and pursued out and listening to that horrified by because I'm thinking one made this statement. I had to get out of the house and one fill it out, but I understand and I will never back when my kids were little and only have to do something in addition to what I was already dealing pretty all-consuming job rate in children when they're young and I thought, why are we encouraging women to have their passions met outside of the hunt one out and and felt.
I remember talking this one woman who was Babylon and I see we die after what she thought Jake had a hand in hobbit and yet what you think about the thinking a lot Mike had killed around the house that one still here and I can honestly tell you I also handed radio job in writing career and speaking pale in comparison to how Mike at 39 one shot at raising your cat one shot and when it done. There's nothing else that really matter much more to you than how you did with that job it went right. Give yourself to it and really Michael, I am much of that women speakers you know that you have to find your passion, but fell in Abraham Maslow all you know self-actualization but that's what life is about badly finer life by losing the total reversal that they don't think our parents and that we think our purpose and cry and we sacrifice ourselves or others, and through that we become the people God intended us to be and we fulfill his purpose, but not his purpose, but not about her passion and so I really encourage women find your purpose fill that purpose.
Finer calling in God and into your passion often follow your purpose in now and when you understand your purpose in raising children in eternal soul. Somehow you become pretty passionate about it and you fall in love with the CAD and in the back your stage in life. Give yourself fully to it.
It doesn't mean it can't do anything outside of it, but it does mean they get number one data first, and those children and then you know as God permit and at times bear, but I really think it the destructive methods the women today telling them they have to find something other than motherhood at the belt.
What about single women. What about women that at this stage in their life, either by divine calling. The third embrace and adjust where they find themselves there there single would you say to them in terms of finding a sense of purpose and identity. Maybe they know God is going then to be married, but it's not time yet. Or maybe they don't feel that the call to be married at all. What would you say to those women and out, the women that I would pay Mother in spiritual war children than anyone, and I know are single women. I have the van mentor doing back to it. Scripture set up the older women younger women have done that on a larger scale than I could ever do they provide biological children and I take a lot of my time but I thing my friend is a professor in youth ministry professor at a Christian University. You know I am. I guess that doesn't need even in over 100 women and and some men that she has mentor and really disciple in ministry and she's had an incredible ministry dynamics. I think there's always this fulfillment that women can have in doing that and I think it is part of our unique meant that we had incredible capacity to nurture and mentor and so I really encourage women, whether at your bylaw.
The biological children.
Spiritual children invest in them you think anything I got it given you and and flourish building. Julie what you hope that readers of your book redeeming the feminine soul. We hope this infinite take what you've obviously got women in mind, but women that's that could be anyone, anywhere from 15-year-old girl to 88-year-old great-grandmother. It could be the someone active in the ministry scheduled to to someone whose whole calling is is homeschooling raising a bunch of kids of which are hopeful that the major takeaways that women will get reading this book while it been heartening to get the backing out. I got an email week, 120.
She cried all liquored up, but because one bad because I shared my frustration and and did my difficulty even navigating in the church where I think sometimes there's misogyny there it when we don't recognize that, but because you shared that I was able to relate but I'll tell the vision that you gave was something I could really embrace particular pelican break and on beaker level than I ever have a foot before I know it 11 and it was older and save you now in her mid-50s and she said she read the book into thinking of doing my whole life I felt like that over the time that I invested raising my children because I didn't have a career and I felt like I should have and she spent in the first time I realized I don't need that bad time, I realized I did what God called me to do and not enough and I've heard interestingly, though, who from Nan Michael and back I go in and I'll do redeeming offenders will convert the and recently I met with the church and there, like now, we don't want you to doing for the women talking want to doing it. The husband and the pampered to talk to me because he liked many need to hear that because they don't understand we don't understand black women in ministry and how to really help them flourish as though we didn't need to hear and we don't understand even the way I talk about the way that we as women have embraced misogyny not logged the feminine in ourselves.
But not until need to understand ways that they have done that, you know it, we all participated in.
I think some ways in that span of not really valuing women and femininity. In this aspect really a characteristic of God have both feminine and we need to value them equally.
And so I think there at both men and women something to be gained from the book is from understanding women better Julie. It is great talking about the subject, especially in today's climate covering calling for men and for women. Thanks much for joining me on the broadcast again. The book redeeming the feminine soul was Douglas Julie. Michael died by think this all right and friends.
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