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We got answers for the light a fire with your host scholar and cultural commentator Dr. Michael Brown your voice for more rationality and spiritual clarity 866-34-TRUTH to get him a lot of wire and now there's your host Dr. Michael Brown you got questions, we've got answers, so any subject of any kind that relates in any way to anything that we ever talk about on the air in the article of written book I've written sermon I preached so it's all as a whole lot of potential topics or something that that's connected. In other words, the whole bottle we get all theology, all Christian ministry culture was politics Israel a lot of things 866-348-7884 is called the sooner you are able to call the better chance we have of getting you on the air with us. Let me just mention something that I think will be helpful to many of you not everything that we go through we receive opposition we go through hardship and difficulty. Not everything is because of the gospel. Sometimes it's because of her own sin, own foolishness on stubbornness. Sometimes it's not the devil, supposing us, but the Lord who, supposing us and there was a colleague of mine who told me a story about a friend of his. His friends had been going through a protracted difficult trial and he kept wrestling and it was was a very hard time, and he felt there was a lot of Satanic opposition. So we kept rebuking the enemy rebuking the enemy rebuking the enemy rebuking the enemy and one day he felt the spirit of God say to him you and I would get along a lot better together. If you stop calling me Satan does Aldo sit in a rebuke to Cigna would be well. It was the Lord working in his life and the Lord try to bring into place and he spent his time rebuking Satan so there are times when it's the Lord working in our lives to teach us to humble us to correct us and I can tell you this, I wouldn't be who I am today and I wouldn't be where I am today in the Lord whatever good I been able to do whatever example I been able to set if I had not listened to wise counsel from God. The elders over the years.
If I did not listen well to things that my wonderful wife Nancy has said to me over the years and even some things at times from people who were wrong over all who were critics and hostile over all but yet there was a grain of truth that I need to hear sausages last thing that I'm going to phones. I remember early on preaching ministry is probably around 1984. Summer on their I was on the road preaching driven a few hours to ministry engagement upstate New York and in those days. Maybe if it was 85 maybe had one book out. Otherwise, we had these cassette tape series of of my preaching were classes I taught. So we had a little book table and somebody handed a letter to whoever was was running the book table for me. They they handed this the letter to me or to be given to me and when I brought it home.
I looked at it and the person is just attacking these ugly stupid and I told necessarily believe that this is his early days of of having people actually tell me what they were feeling negative ways like that so I give to Nancy and she saw one look at this, since it is is a true stress and how the guys office was yeah I know one of his or her interest to us a different approach about that sort try to do over the years okay with this person's way out there, but all their something valid and with a have to say so, let's grow go through the book of Proverbs.
Look at all the times it mentions correction, rebuke and let that be your lifestyle.
Because when you receive it is life-giving. All right to the phones starting with Peter in California. Welcome to the line of fire. Hello hey you're on the air I'm coming out of annihilation is him and I have a few question, true, and I thought you can help me go the one thing I want to looking at Malachi chapter 4 verse one through three, and that the wicked will be ashes and you'll trample them under your feet in the day the Lord benefit and I wondering how a believing Jew or an early Christian might understand that before the book of Revelation was written sure will. Some just take his metaphorical language this month and will be destroyed. Others would take it literally that your enemies will be defeated in front of you and that you walk over their dead bodies or their decomposing bodies and that so we could easily be taken so they wouldn't be taken as any type of reference to eternal punishment.
And that's not what speaking of their this document had a temporal judgment in this world. Yeah.
And just like at the end of the book of Isaiah are in the 65th chapter of the choice of a new heavens and new earth.
And then the 66 chapter that from one new moon to the next one Sabbath to the next that the people walk out and look at the corpses of the dead that have been destroyed by God's with a similar kind of image that you see the destruction of the wicked. Generally have a idea of how presented in the Old Testament, so wouldn't be that like that I mean that Daniel 12 choose the closest statement.
That would be made, but the further beliefs in a place of of ongoing punishment really are from little bit later. Starting at the first say that literature Pharisees and things like that some intra-testament the literature and you do have some early Jewish references to. There are some people who go down and then go up there and some people go straight up that would be the perfectly righteous and there are some people go straight down and stay down. That would be the perfectly wicked so you know that's that's how it would be viewed as duties and develop that it does not hold to an eternal hellfire view. Okay and looking at Matthew 1028 that.
Don't be afraid of the one who can destroy the body, but everyone destroy both soul and body in hell. People say that destruction there could be better understood as ruin he really didn't help, but if that's so, why do the translator keep band yes. So in other words, that would be strong and I annihilation is verse actually Matthew 2546 is uses a strong eternal punishment verse so Matthew 1028 is strong annihilation dispersal, yet it is possible that the the Greek use. Therefore, destroy can mean ruin of the question would be, though, what, what's the analogy there and in other words, don't open for those who kill the body but cancer so rather different one can destroy both body and soul help so does he destroy the body that this does that mean utterly wiped out. So let's just say that the more natural translation is destroy their there are arguments they can be made in the Greek that it's talking about. Bring to a state of utter ruin so it's possible it's just not the most normal translation of the verb so that out there that want to get look the there. There are many verses that can be used to argue for annihilation is him affect the majority you know speak of parish order, destruction, or death, or things like that. And then there are other verses that do speak of of what appears to be eternal conscious suffering and that's why the issue is really debated for me but I determine Peter decades ago was to quote Scripture and that and let the word stand on its own. If you follow me, and in other words, rather than preach Dante's Inferno right to quote Scripture and let the words carry the weight that they carry and let people know that there are eternal consequences to their actions as to the nature of the punishment and the nature of the of the suffering that simply with the word speak for itself. On that and since last thing on the one hand you don't want to minimize the gravity of the consequences of rejecting the Lord, but they are irreversible and that they last forever, even if it's by forfeiting eternal life you want to minimize that. On the other hand, as I've been attracted with atheists in recent weeks and reading a lot of their comments.
One of the strongest reasons that they defunded and unfathomable that there could be the God of the Bible to be real, is that is the issue of eternal conscious torment and if if they were told others.
Destruction in the final and it it would it would be less of an obstacle to overcome. So you could you could argue either way. In terms of how it affects people question is what is Scripture saying to me the best thing is to quote the word and with the word have its impact on people is the here okay with one more question. The I go for real quick quote better yet eternal consciousness in hell. Why is the reward of having contracted as eternal life with some people say that is good eternal life and health right so that we that's it again. And annihilation is an argument which is a fair argument, the answer would be that life consists in a relationship with God that existence is different than life. That first Timothy six tells us that God alone has immortality of but that we know that eternal life is not existing but rather having an intimate relationship with God and his son Jesus. So that would be how those holding to eternal conscious torment would answer, but the annihilation us would say the controversy.
Matthew 2546 is between a eternal life and eternal punishment so that eternal punishing.
So those would be some of the answers in the debate continue to study the word and asked the Lord for insight, 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go to Angela in Kingsport, Tennessee walking Salina file. There were how are you doing great. Thanks. I want to personally thank you for the work that you do prior Lord you have taught me a lot and I appreciate that my Marlin Western Mark how close the Bible in the original language translation is very close it. In other words, in other words, any language when you go from one to another second exact because the different languages you may have different word order have different emphasis and things like that. But, no, no book has ever been translated more carefully.
The more scholars working harder than the Bible. So in terms of what when I when I read the English Bible. II feel like I'm reading God's word speaking directly to me and I was even though you read the Hebrew well like I read English or I could read I can read English. He read the Greek and more slowly but I'm reading English.
There there excellent translation so here there Angela are some verses that are available exactly how but English translation is yes very closely regulate it is saying plus in English. The authors were saying in Hebrew and Greek to feel confident in that really had a thank you Angela for the call right back to the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown got on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown explained yet you know about it yet roughly 2nd half of May next year 2023 fabulous tour great sites great tour guide great extra attractions five-star hotels yeah so semi-amazing time. Google website ask.run seating is limited this out. The sales boy seating is limited so if you're thinking of going and you want take the step to sign up, ask Dr. Brown ask a DR Brown.or Cato.
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Let us go to a Seth in Kansas walking Salina fire. Thank you so my question, concern, date the Bible and related Department equity. Do you have like any resources that you would recommend just in terms of how that even happen that like just very quick story you not talk no idea friends before and like a through prophecy of Daniel is remarkable any account for that. And you know you can you do feel a thing LOL it must've been written later than right right up. Not a thing like where you start to even begin getting into that world of how they think that okay so it's this multifaceted one for you think you are call screener does a great job, is that they get a ton of calls especially on a Friday and they gotta quickly get the information put up on the board for me so your question is posted correctly as resources on dating but I I thought it was daily in terms of euro thought out.
I don't want somebody that I was good so I really don't. I don't focus on a lot of the resources I'm glad your question was, what was that lately the regular properly but okay so this is multifaceted in terms in terms of their a lot of different ways that things are dated for example weight when you're looking at archaeological evidence so you have you have what's called to tell right so that's that's it. A heap of ruins and you might have a city built on a city built on the city built on city's archaeologist can tell say this was Bronze Age.
This was Iron Age. This was this, this was this and they can tell it by the types of pottery and things like that right and then if if the biblical book is claiming to be from a certain period of time they can compare all its it accurately represents this, and so on. And then you can say will this was an analyst, we got this one piece over here but must've sunk down over time is it there so there there's the science of that right then you'll have things like carbon-14 dating with a looking in an ancient manuscript, Dead Sea Scrolls, and in the how is that to be dated and then you have things like Pell geography with type of script is used in less it was used intentionally to try to re-create a feeling of antiquity.
They can see all we have an ancient manuscript from the Dead Sea Scrolls and of choosing a particular script that seems to be a few centuries early with a using after the filling of of of make it look more archaic and okay then there's linguistic evidence in the first things I mentioned really don't tie in with dating a biblical book is we don't have the original copies right we don't have an original Isaiah or any of these things, and especially written on papyrus and in that ancient it would've taken a miracle for them to lessen the ones of these things will still have that are that old like inscriptions on the wall or inscriptions of the rock in a like a law code are you stealing something like that was engraved that would that would remain with the biblical books were written like that so how do you how do you date that so there is linguistic evidence and we know that over period of time is a book of the Bible was being copied out that there might be spelling conventions that would change over period of years they might even be some linguistic normalization, but you can't have something early that that now is is is completely out of town. For example, you won't have George Washington quoting Ronald Reagan right so when it comes to Daniel. Oh we we we do have Daniel in the Septuagint so that's that's telling us something that we also have some later books Maccabees and and been serial Ecclesiasticus and things like that that are later we have Daniel Dead Sea Scrolls. Okay that's telling will now linguistic analyses have been done of Daniel by some aromatic scholars and they say this reflects earlier aromatic as opposed to, say, the Aramaic of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the earliest rabbinic literature, we should argue for an earlier date. Other things like if you're dating parts of the book of Isaiah right if Isaiah mentioned that a historical event that happened 300 years after his time then you have to circuit you. This is a later addition or it's it's it is evidence that that the author himself with the later proof, one was something received." It when you see references throughout the Old Testament to to the law of Moses or the book of the law, so it is something is been there for very very early times in Oso.
There, there are some ways of looking at this.
There were scholars, critical scholars, a century couple centuries ago that basically determine that the priestly literature was the latest in that that represented kind of a breakdown in Israelite religion as opposed to earlier so a lot of it was theoretical amendment. The theory gets debunked so it's it's complex.
Generally speaking, if you will look at a solid introduction to the Old Testament by good evangelical scholar right in the same with an introduction to the New Testament.
They'll give you a good idea New Testament is more easily datable because we doing with more recent documents than the Old Testament with a better history that we can trace out but Rachel basically tell you. Okay, here's the critical discussion. Here's here's how we date this and why so that's that's if it if you get just into books, you know, a good introduction to the Old Testament introduction to the New Testament and and just well known evangelical scholars in a letter involve a cucumber longer than the Old Testament or the dismembered gate course with the new delegate a lot of info. The other thing is, this little book by FF Bruce that was then revised, updated by NT Wright. The New Testament documents are they reliable and then I believe Walter Kaiser did the one on the Old Testament documents via Old Testament documents. Are they reliable and and relevant and in the New Testament documents are they reliable, so FF Bruce Walter Kaiser that'll give you further aspects of manuscript evidence and and why we find these things to be reliable, so those are good resources. Really miss disco back. Listen to the broadcast and and catch some more light.
Thank you so much.
All right let us go to Anthony in New York. Welcome to the line of fire. Thanks for joining us through law. So my question is about 1300 and wondering how look at how the power the canopy. It gives a kind of updating but all is going to be going to give it all, that the thing with living like a company dictating. Trent did the Dr. Mark K. Howell, Dr. Condon went out to get me to get married. Travel and how it.I love the questions Anthony so here's the deal. I can answer one thing definitively in the rest I can't say definitively is therefore right about the thousand year reign, that we who are believers will be glorified. Those will will be our glorified bodies with focal spiritual body. We will not be marrying anymore. We will not be having children, we will we will not suffer death or sickness, but is not that we will be glorified with the Lord and the rest of humanity that the survivors of the nations that attacked Jerusalem that will enter the millennial kingdom will be in regular physical bodies the live longer. The earth will be filled with righteousness and justice will be the most beautiful glorious time in world history, but people will still be able to send in people will die. People will be able to marry and have children populate the earth so those things will happen, but anything beyond that, we don't know when you read the same Bible I do right you you might save Dr. Brown.
You know the Bible better. What made maybe in some ways I do. But it is not there.
Information is not there. There is no evidence, for example, that human beings will be supernatural at that time with it. Human beings who are not resurrected will be able to fly or walk through walls noticeably human beings but will they walk everywhere. Will they ride on horseback, will they ride in advanced technology that we can imagine now you know better than airplanes and don't know. Will there be stockmarkets of the week. We simply don't know what we do know is it will be a glorious time on the earth, the likes of which was the receiving the knowledge of the glory of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the seas, which is just extraordinary glorious beautiful to comprehend and will be no war will be no more and the Messiah Jesus will rule and reign out of Jerusalem at the end of that time, Satan is loosed. Revelation 20 right. Satan is loosed and deceives masses of people which indicates that even in the world like that people still want to rebel against God, and then the final destruction and then new heavens and new earth were everyone there is is only the represents only those who have been glorified resurrected forever. Thanks for the questions and soon enough we'll find out the answers to the other things I thank you so much for the call will be right back on this of the break 866-34-TRUTH line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown got on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown truth. Let us go to London. I guess Mary couldn't hold that's all right.
Let's go to Spokane Wally world went up in a film appear right let's try to los Angeles Paul in Los Angeles.
Welcome to the line of fire. I aim what did they think God a great document for your buying in the dog you like victim I… During booking everything but I don't do what I want to know about background and and I love boating got so I love boating and butting about the Son of Man and thank God and I'm just wondering really.
My question is basically in the mind with the title of Messiah connected with the title of the son of God with the Jewish background. The apocalyptic the three surrounding you know son of God. Mine yes so a son of God can have several different reference in the heat in the Hebrew Bible, of example, in Exodus 4 of Moses is told to tell farrow of the need for Israel. Israel is my son, my firstborn to let my son go so many Jewish people would immediately say will Israel is God's son and then the king in Israel. David and his successors would be called God's son, so that was also another referent and then in a more unique way the Messiah could be called God's son, you have that in some of the super graphical literature where there's more of a connection between son of God and Messiah in Jewish tradition, perhaps as a reaction against Christian teaching you don't find a strong connection with the term Messiah and the term son of God. Even so, a traditional Jew would use it, meaning God son like David or Israel. Though it's not literally begotten by God or proceeding forth from the father or divine but but rather a highly exalted beaded angels could be sons of God as well individual Israelites could be sons of God. So in traditional Judaism.
The term son of God. It is not widely associated with the Messiah. You can make a case more from the Hebrew Bible and from super graphical literature. Some of the intra-testament to literature, you have more references like that so the Messiah God, nor the mechanic rolled it up from conclusion of funky but you'd never thought know, and in other words, they would say that the Messiah fulfills his role by by being agree to David know if you want to say will David was the son of God.
Okay, in that same way the Messiah would be based in second Samuel seven the David's line goddesses will be a father to them and they'll be of the be sons to me right, which is then quoted in the New Testament with with reference to Jesus the Messiah about that.
We just yet. That's in second Samuel chapter 700 word that's there that's quoted in Hebrews yeah you yes so we had that reference EF Psalm two is is quoted you know several times in the New Testament which is best seen as spoken ritually over the Davidic king but with ultimate reference to the Messiah, but again in the Jewish mind, the Messiah is is an exalted human being is someone who has been anointed by the spirit of to do God's work and will turn the hearts of Israel to the Lord and then what will bring about righteousness on the earth and bring the world into the knowledge of God, but will be is a thoroughly human being who will who will be born, and will die but you have my series on answering Jewish objections to Jesus.
My.my other okay will volume 2.
There's a lot of good information in there. Volume 2 of answering Jewish objections to Jesus, you get to look especially for Jewish background or find a lot there. There many other academic works on son of God and things like that.
But the question you're asking, you'll find it very helpful. Thank you very much you're very welcome and blessings to your dad as well. 8663 for 87884 by the way, because we had a couple callers Spokane London truck out, got a couple phone lines open so if you been trying to call just as some for myself and I was like to let you know when there's a better chance to call okay let us go to Mike in Salt Lake City, Utah. Walking to the line of fire every okay yeah I can. Okay okay I come from a long line of morbid pioneer kicked out of Warminster 14 and told me I was a heretic about the war you know what to do so.
So a heretic is someone who is holding to beliefs that put them outside the camp of orthodoxy than in other words, if you are a Muslim, and Sybil actually I I believe that Jesus is the son of God been to Muslims. He would be a heretic. If you are a Christian all. If you are Christian and and you said I believe Jesus was a man like anyone else will you would now be a heretic.
So a heretic is someone who is outside the faith. So within as as a Mormon. If you said I don't believe Joseph Chris Smith was a prophet.
I don't like the book of Mormon is the same as the Bible, then you become a heretic and went there, in which case it would be a badge of honor because those are correct statements, yet no it is so when you stand. Now my concerns your beliefs are well. I read the Bible you know and boiled bad luck, start and begin value, but will bought a computer things in the Bible like the Lord our leader nodded why would God want is not. It's just it's just a Hebrew way of saying things.
For example, in Isaiah 54 no weapon formed against him will prosper.
The way that's written in Hebrew is every weapon formed against you will not prosper. So lead us not into temptation, you're praying against the negative. Is it your way of Avastin, Lord, keep us safe.
Don't lead us in this way or that way.
Also, the word temptation can can be translated testing so you're asking because it for his mercy as well, but your you're praying, praying a a a positive by praying against the negative right everybody out there. They told me God. I'm going not talking called.
I forgot what one and and I heretic… Lord, I will add though don't believe die now will call you in the bishop's office and that failure that you know what you don't lead the only true church. I don't believe it. The only true church, and I don't believe the Mormon and I don't believe the Bible is so like the key thing for you is to get into good Bible believing church.
You write in rejecting Mormonism.
You're absolutely right, Joseph Prince was not a prophet. The book of Mormon is not a divine book. I never speak in Salt Lake City would become a great station been there for many many years. I don't go bashing Mormons every day.
I'm sure there are many fine sincere people in the listening right now within a five Mormons but Joseph Prince with the stress of Prince Joseph Smith, what was that is not a Freudian slip for the stress that a Joseph Smith was not speaking for God in any way. In the book of Mormon. In no way compares to the Bible so Mike you do well to get out of the Mormon church with get into good Bible believing church in good relationship with the Lord and get the word of God in your heart and mind is the path to life.
A thank you for calling 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go to Berkeley and Winston-Salem North Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire called a quick question going to get your thoughts on that may or may not be a barrier watching Christian Michalak, but all on that stroller church may think that after the bachelor preaching on the book of Revelation and I walked out only watch the minute nothing about him or about him. What are your thoughts don't hurt other noted don't know anything about him. He may be very well-known, but I've not heard the name and I've not seen the show I watch much TV on Christian TV, but some am completely unfamiliar with the was making specific see may be wonderful but I don't know model was anything specific that he said that because you wonder you like a lot of things, but only what you minute nothing, a lot of going to believe your little target budget had the weird feeling about art almost think that it'll run key thing is to give someone a chance towards. I've had people run from some of that was wonderful. And I've had people drink in stuff from someone who's terrible. So sometimes the first glance, the first feeling is is not always accurate. So find out first. Please get online search see if that websites through the do doctrinal statements. Major teachings were they known for and and and hear them out. And if in fact something is wrong will good then then you felt it directly at the beginning, but there was plenty things were my initial reaction. The first reaction is not accurate as I just don't hear enough and and and you want to be fair right so that's what you're calling to get more info but I'm totally unfamiliar with the the man and the ministry because it could be wonderful.
You could be way off. Something don't know but best thing is just to check further.
If you have an interest check further and gather information and then make a good righteous decision. Hey God bless thank you for the call 866-34-TRUTH. I will get back to your calls immediately.
On the other side of the break don't go anywhere will be right back here on the line of fire skillet taken away the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown back start with Mylan in Kansas City, Missouri. Welcome to want to fire. Dr. Brown, are you doing very well thank you off a mop so I had a question regarding eschatology, I've started to study it a little bit and get into upper thought I was saved in a family of God church and he is pretty hard-core pre-tribulation rapture and premillennialism and so I just kind of always accepted it without even thinking it and I still tend to lean that way. But my question is regarding both millennialism and correct me if I'm wrong, but for their you to be correct. First of all they would have to say that Satan is bound now correct, no, no, that's the millennial's in the post-millennial holders overlap between them. Though they would say that they would simply say that the gospel will will win that the world will be fully Christianized before Jesus returns so that Satan's ways will be thwarted. They would not say that Revelation 20 is is happening right now.
That's the distinct millennial view.
The view which title to be very bizarre believe. Very bizarre that that Satan right now is bound so we can deceive the nations no on the post. My nose don't normally teach that okay well look around thinking clearly not bound to me that the argument with all respects by millennial friends who hold to it is that Satan is bound so we can't deceive the nations into the final and Time Warner which is reading so much into the text. It's clear I'm in the New Testament is warning against Satan and Satan's deceptive ways. This is clearly not bound and and to argue that he is to me as a complete a complete rejection of the plain sense of of Revelation 20.
Especially in context between Revelation 19 over the return of Jesus in glory and power.
The new heavens and the new earth yet but but post-millennial us believe that that the gospel will win out that that everyone will ultimately be reconciled to the Lord that not not Satan himself. That would be an extreme form of universalism that the parable say of the of the 11 that's put in in in four different modes abraded all rises up so it resonated the increase of wickedness around the world.
It's the fruit of the gospel around the world. So the positive aspects of post millennialism is that the very positive and thinking and believe that God will change the world in righteousness will rule and and Jonathan Edwards was supposed millennial list who believe that the millennium could be very close to Charles Finney was supposed millennial is to believe that as well and they of course were active, especially Finney and and and social change, but I find it utterly unscriptural. Now I myself and post rib. I haven't been pretrip in 45 years and that to me is self-evident. Once once of the Scripture again. But there's just too much in the word that I see about the end of the age parallel extremes and and at the end of the ages. The harvest was good and bad, and yet the separation of the sheep and goats and and I the nations attacking Jerusalem at the end of the agent. It's clear that although will have great light.
There's also great darkness right right until the end. Okay, so I made it billable ignorant on both millennialism but I I thought that for that character. According to Scripture during the millennium thinking about correct, yes. What about the spiritual millennium and isn't that so in other words what you're saying is I I had it wrong. Both millennialism doesn't say that the that the ruling and reigning thousand year reign of Christ is right now correct. We have gone through yet okay and even the post-millennial premillennialist with would agree with that but it's not here yet. Right so so what yeah the post millennialist does not believe that were in the millennial kingdom yet and whether it's an exact thousand years in art or whether Satan is bound at that point in the future. That would be a separate question for post-millennial, all that on my computer and will write some real money at the millennialist leaves. There is no millennium on the earth. It's all spiritual. I it's it's a virtual Jesus is currently ruling and reigning in heaven and and we are in his kingdom, which is a spiritual kingdom at the end of the age which will have a lot of darkness, etc. at the end of the age, Jesus will return set up his kingdom and that's that that's really just going to eternity right so when I got an honest blue supposed minuses.
We haven't gotten into it yet that the gospel is not triumph over the world.
Yet then will usher in the glorious kingdom through the gospel at the end of which Jesus will return. I literally pretty much the only difference between premillennialist and post it, and that the post believe that the gospel eventually win. And at that moment Christ will return and start the thousand year reign. No, no, no, we will have the millennium here after his post-millennial Jesus comes after post after the millennium, not pre-millennial post-millennial, okay here for the millennial reign not in that same way, not physically on the earth, and that same way correct this and so here's here's where the confusion is which is totally legitimate, totally legitimate, which you've done is taken the premillennial view of the millennium, which is a literal reign of Jesus on the earth for a thousand years out of Jerusalem right correct okay and now assume that that's what a post millennialist leaves. They don't they they believe there will be a glorious kingdom on the earth with Jesus ruling spiritually but not physically here on the earth, they, they, like electing a man right now in your it ends then he returns we going to eternity new heavens and new earth.
Okay, I think I basically stated that both millennia millennial, it would say Christianity will rule and reign, but Christ will return until the end of exactly so. Christ will rule through the church, but he himself will not physically return until after that post-millennial. There we go perfect that make much more respect.
All right great good good weather if it helps your thing all right and and and look this can all be confusing. The key thing is to live lives worthy of the Lord to bear much fruit to shine the light in the midst of darkness out we go to Hank in Charlotte North Carolina. Welcome to light a fire hi Dr. Brown thank you protect my call. I I read an article about Rawls and how the man had committed bay between ancient Jewish where they had a debate among as to whether not the text revealed Messiah or to and in recent years. That debate has sorta been hidden away thoroughly talked about much. Some of them don't reckon Jewish world the secular world. I guess you are usually with that debate that that was installed some debate actually ends. This is been hidden though some debate.
Rather, there was an ancient Jewish belief that there would be two messianic figures. The Davidic Messiah in the priestly Messiah that was that was believed by different groups. We haven't already reflected everyone knew that was reflected in the test was called the Testament of the 12 patriarchs which we had for many centuries, which spoke of of the Davidic Messiah, and any priestly Messiah, but in the Dead Sea Scrolls so so the particular sect that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls. Aside from just copping Bible things but the original sect that wrote that the most likely the Essenes.
They also believed in tumor size but Michiko Geraldo David, the Messiah, excuse me Mr. Calderon this rail.
The messiahs of Aron and Israel.
So there was an ancient Jewish belief is not set a debate there. It's just that is reflected in their writings that they believe that there would be a priestly Messiah as well as Royal Messiah, traditional Judaism did not recognize the priestly Messiah aspect so it's just not been taught in traditional Judaism, traditional duties, mostly for the Messiah son of David and then later Jewish traditions after the Dead Sea Scrolls have looked for a Messiah son of Joseph that a priestly Messiah, but a suffering Messiah, but Hank if you just get online and search for two messiahs in ancient Judaism. You should find a lot of information there and it did it again. It wasn't a debate.
There is just these were some of their beliefs which are which are reflected there and the Judaism that prevailed was the Judaism of the Pharisees and the rabbis but if you just check online tumor size and ancient Judaism are two messiahs in Dead Sea Scrolls all you get the info there and for me, sir, it is very important to recognize that this is biblical, not to messiahs but to aspects of the messiahs work like David, who was a king but the priestly work as well write the Messiah will be a priestly king so Jesus the Messiah is both priest and king. So there were ancient Jews, looking for two separate messiahs we say no that you separate messiahs. One of the same Messiah who comes in two different times to fulfill two different aspects of his mission.
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