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Talking About Our Doubts

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Talking About Our Doubts

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So what do we do with our doubts for the light a fire with your host scholar and cultural commentator Dr. Michael Brown your voice for more personality and spiritual clarity.

634 truth to get on the line of fire and now there's your host Dr. Michael Brown John in the line of fire today.

Are you have a special guest to that's what was in my mind, Dr. Jonathan McClatchey so it's it's gonna be really helpful show today can be edifying to be constructive and I believe that you will be blessed and help as friends, we are here to strengthen you in your walk to infusion with faith and truth and encourage we are all called one layer that would be on the front lines. We will stand with you to help you. Be strong, 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 784. If you are struggling with doubts if you are having questions about your faith. Those only calls were in the top. Take today and I guess to be joining me at the bottom of the hour has started a new online initiative scholars and specialists and apologist that are helping people with their doubts that are giving them one on one time to get them through hurdles and obstacles to their faith. So II want to talk about the subject of doubt and unbelief. Today I mentioned yesterday show.

Repeat this for those that didn't hear yesterday's broadcast that I wrote an article a few days ago some honest questions for atheists and asking a when you became an atheist, or if you've always been an atheist. Was it based on your bed experience is used to be a Christian prayers were answered. Or is it a matter of as you are studying and learning the questions came up. I just asked a bunch of different questions to try to understand why people would say that there atheist.

Some all it has always been atheist never question it.

Are you sure there is no God but if the God of the Bible is real.

Would you follow him are you a materialist meaning that what you see is what you get this physical body matter. That's all there is there is no spiritual realm is no afterlife just questions like that and I said look at replying to comments will be reading this you can't send in an email with your comments to to us through our ministry… Thought get a handful of people would do that because I'm assuming the that there are a lot of atheists who are were following me in reading my articles or what you listen to the broadcast. And even so, describe each person's will and I could take the extra time to email someone and you write something up response with seven or eight different questions so I just got another hundred 45 pages of responses sent over me today after 45 pages were sent yesterday.

This just people took the time to email our ministry.

Everyone's getting a note back from me through my team thanking them for writing and letting know I'll be reading their their their emails with interest of started reading and I plan to continue to read them with interest is as promised, but I have seen some who said I was an evangelical Christian and I prayed for guidance and direction my life and never heard anything from God or prayers were never answered or things didn't line up with what I see in the Bible another others that went through the same hurdles same obstacles and in you. You cannot strong in the faith. You you've made it through difficult situations, painful losses in your faith today is stronger than ever, but others struggle and let's be honest in many of our churches. Doubt is not something you're allowed to talk about why show you an interesting passage in my life. The only time I ever heard anyone preach on this is what I preached on it in the last couple of years was either preached on this verse. Like I said I've never heard anyone else preach on it so it's in the book of Jude starting verse 20 but you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith, and praying in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in the love of God when he for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life, and have mercy on those who doubt that's verse 22 of Jude have mercy on those who doubt save others by snatching them out of the fire to show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh, have mercy on those who doubt will hang on for second let let's look at another passage. This is in Jacob James chapter 1 and look at what he says there if any of you lacks wisdom, verse five chapter 1 the Mascot gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given but let him ask in faith was no doubting one of doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. That person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord is a double minded man unstable in all his ways.

While this seems to say if your doubting you're doing something wrong if your doubting your double minded in your unstable in all your ways was June says, have mercy on those who doubt so which is it, I believe there are two different classes of people being spoken to hear there are the people that should be trusting God that have had enough life experience in God, and know him well enough that they we could be trusting and not to trust him not to believe in him as being double minded as being unstable is not responding rightly to our walk with God through the years. There are others who are struggling and hurting and trying to believe and not able to be sure about their faith meets with one person and they know that they know that they know that they know is some born-again disposition forgiveness. God is good.

I know what I know what the Howdy, I just know it and you talked of hers. Another person that I want to be sure I want to feel sure I want to know that I know that I'm born-again forgiven the God is real, but I I have questions. I don't know I'm in a try to believe will get mad at that person was wrong to do but you have faith, was wrong with you know we have mercy on those who doubt because those people want to believe and are struggling and having a hard time now. In many of our circles to show weakness in your faith is not acceptable that that if you open up to your friends.

I'm really struggling.

I just I don't know I mean I don't know if the Bible is true and having questions. I the God we believe is really there. I'm struggling having questions that in some circles of what we never question your you and I believe you saved talking daughter so good got us a powerful order so amazing how can you doubt. So you open your mouth and run getting help you get judged you get condemned, you get misunderstood or let's take this will further, let's say that your leader that said, your pastor said your seminary professor say that your Sunday school teacher.

Let's say that you have a radio broadcaster TV broadcast or large social media following your leader in the body, but you are now going through a season of difficulty in your faith. You are now struggling who you talk to to to announce it publicly is is not wise your pastor of the church of 300 people and you get up on a Sunday morning and tell your foggy.

I just want you to know what I'm really struggling in my face right now and I don't really know if God is real run of Jesus really rose from the dead and only if we can trust the Bible all asking to help them. Being sarcastic as I can help you as I can help you people it's gonna send some into a panic.

Let's say you're a well-known Christian apologist in your doubting the arguments that your brain is your is your speaking, your doubting your very arguments you get up on the college campus.

He just give the presentation, but it's true that note, you need to get resolution in a way that will not be so painful and harmful for many that are looking to but you need to get resolution. You can't just sweep those things under the rug and think that they'll just disappear so how then do we handle our doubts. It's really important first to be honest with God and yourself he knows. Anyway, he sees through our façade. If we are trying to act like we have faith in faith is also the youth to try to do in that sense if were trial can or pray like I really believe I and I'm gonna try and I am talking about my struggles for God knows the struggles and so you might as will start by being honest with God. He he knows it anyway and he wants honesty better say God I'm talking to right now but I don't even know. There, I'm often just talking to the walls, but honestly that's how I'm feeling.

God and I hope you are there listening in this ability I know how to do's to communicate, but I gotta be honest or you know I don't I don't know if Jesus is the only way run of the Bible is different than other books or I believe everything except this one thing I can't get over or here. I see all these promises in the Bible and and I tried to take you up on the promises you said that if all do this you will respond in this way, and as far as I know I did this and you didn't respond so got I don't know what to do with that gorgeous throughout the promises that I said try hard enough. It is, it is a true so you start by being honest with God. And if you don't get resolution this between you and God.

That's where you look to someone or someone's they can help. And that's when you say okay, it looks like I could use some support and how amazing it is when you pour your heart out to someone that you which was an elder or teacher, counselor, spiritual mom or dad this at all. I went through the exact same thing. And here's how God help me get through it.

When we share this with you. Suddenly the mother bird looked on the loan.

All you think I'm crazy. All I'm not the only one that had the struggle or had this question is kind of a big sigh of relief. Let me tell you wherever you're struggling with your not the only one not the first one of us have gone through the same Valley and on the mountain today fixed relative faith to faith. If the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown have our first registrants for our trip to Israel would use another E blast yesterday will be physically in the land.

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So many of you know when I came to faith here was that heavy drug user for two years, ages 14 to 16 got radically born again and my dad was thrilled to see that I was off drugs because he was concerned he didn't know the full details, but he knew I become it.

Heavy drug user and he was concerned as any parent would be so when he saw the radical change in my life.

The submicron glitter of drugs, but we Jews would not believe this, so he brought me the local rabbi local rabbi was 11 years older than me.

He was fresh out of Jewish theological seminary brilliant man. We were actually in touch again, go couple years ago module commentary came out reached out to him and wanted to have a copy because I knew he'd spent a lot of time studying Job many years ago. Again, brilliant, brilliant man, deep into the Hebrew language so he took a personal interest in the we would talk about the faith and you know I was brand-new but started get some good foundations and as we talk more eats a look it'll it'll McKeever. How can you teach us and I said well you not take to keep her when I go to college and Linda said in the meantime I'm using the Hebrew dictionary in the back of Strong's concordance, which is not a reliable dictionary by the with this long story but but anyway I sit in the meantime using that his answer was meantime she meantime, if you don't know he would just mean a thing.

What he took such a personal interest in me that he kept bringing me to meet different rabbis and he just thought maybe something would connect may be something that rabbi would say would get my interest. Maybe they'd raise a question that really got me thinking three brought many different rabbis over the years, culminating with the two kebab rubbers to Lubavitcher rabbis so ultra-Orthodox Jews that were active in doing outreach to people just like me. So was 18 years old eating 1/2 years old when I met with them at that time I had read the Bible cover to cover.

Probably five times the King James.

I had memorized maybe 4000 versus the previous six months I had memorized 20 versus a day without missing a day so I was immersed in the word in English and I was immersed in prayer and I had a very solid relationship with the Lord. But she's with these men were immersed in prayer as well.

It's been hours and hours and study every day and were devout Jews and very caring very interested in me as a young Jewish man I spent hours with me and it really threw me because everyone I met with up to then other kids in school with their different beliefs Jehovah's Witness knocking on my door somebody with some other mystical beliefs. Whatever was that I had an answer for everybody and I was like it was like a machine gun with the Bible is not a novel wisdom and compassion, but man I could quote Scripture and and I demolish these other arguments with these rabbis. I quote Scripture like the English it's it's none of we got with the Hebrew and the testis got it wrong and and I didn't have the academic ability to respond to them and I can read the Hebrew barrier is just some of the letters so it remains like a little child in the presence of adult teachers and who was either differ with them and they were so sincere and devout and seem to love God the way I did this really threw me. It it it raise some questions. I thought okay I must study more, I must go deeper. I must learn more. A must get a better foundation because I I've got to follow the truth wherever the truth leads and and I didn't doubt for split second that time the goblins will. I didn't doubt that God called the Jewish people and therefore as a Jew I had a responsibility to God question was who was Jesus and that the Old Testament was the word of God was the New Testament also the word of God saw it.

I struggled really struggled, but I determined I am going to pursue God with all my heart soul in the study and learn and all of the professors that I studied with college to get my bachelors degree and get my Masters in my PhD all of them were nonbelievers in terms of not believing what I believed. Some were atheistic and hostile, some were religious Jews, summer nominal Christian some phenomenal Jews. Some of the backgrounds but I did not study with a single person believe what I believe and that meant four years I was in environments. My beliefs are being challenged by very well educated man. In some cases women and in addition to that I was still dialogue was rabbis. I always was still meeting with rabbis so I constantly had my faith challenge and my determination was before God.

I will follow you and your truth wherever it leads. Regardless of cost consequence. Interestingly, in a letter that Rabbi Berman wrote me early on in our relationship.

That was his prayer for me that I would have the Kohler courage to follow the truth wherever it leads and and that's been submits is been in my heart as a believer, and what happened was studying with all these people did not believe what I believe having my faith challenge four years my faith deepened my faith was strengthened my confidence in Jesus.

Yeshua being the Messiah will strengthen confidence in the Bible being God's word was strengthened so somehow my walk with God and in the intellectual answers that I received. Rather than weakening my faith strengthened my faith so I want to encourage you that there are answers that you don't need to stick your head in the sand and just so Believably by believe.

I believe and God does invite us to really get to know him to really spend time with him to really make a quality commitment to be with him if we will do that he will reveal himself if we will do that he will open up the word to us if we will do that.

He will reward those who diligently seek him right so here's what we can do out.

We are going to get what got Jonathan on the I'm going to introduce our guest and and then we will interact will take some of your calls as well. Auto observing often on the bottom of the our prehistoric right here hate that Jonathan welcome back to the want to fire. Thanks for being on with us or you are you doing very very well since you are out a few years back.

You've done a little bit more academic work. So where you stand with that yet.

I completed by. Fear that you got the University you evolutionary biology and I currently professor of biology at a Christian college in Boston Massachusetts cope better college where I've been for the last three years that what I'm currently doing okay so just explain to us if you can simplify what you got your PhD in. You've explained the overview, but what is this exactly. Yet there I did my PhD on the evolution of the eukaryotic cell division Bible elevated Bible attire felt divine interbody eukaryotes are organisms that have nuclei. We are the eukaryotic organisms and the way the ark felt divided by profit as mitosis and that was that the subject of my PhD dictation done so for for those listening to your head spinning of these are serious academic pursuits and we just got a minute before the break, but have you always been a Christian or did you have your own season of not believing. I grew up in a Christian rather than elder in the church I grew up in. I became a Christian myself when I was about 87 and I I've been a Christian since then, I've never had time I walked away from Christianity, but I have become interested in and really had a heart a passion for helping people with intellectual doubt concerning the variety of the Christian faith. I watched hundred five of the conversion story on YouTube.

I purchased and read books by people that have struggled with faith that he converted I've also engaged one on one privately with people that have either be converted or considered the converting and minding my heart and passion is to help people cheat you at least have to sell assets as if overcast for the hard wooden fortress's friends back with Prof. Jonathan with questions of assembly who takes a leader calls to the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown got on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown 634-8784.

If you are currently struggling with doubt.

Question about your faith and want to talk about it.

By all means give us a call so that we might guess. Prof. Jonathan McClatchey so Jonathan, it's a big subject, but if you had to list the the the top causes of people D converting deconstructing losing their faith. What would you say are the principal things that you hear over and over again, absolutely and very diverse. They are eligible better.the one to convert one peak under the diverse pool of reason, but elaborately converting unimpeded a diverse pool of people have accompanied 30 conversion but the more popular concern people have the reliable trustworthiness reliability of Scripture, especially the gospel in action by popular topic that we get asked about the case that the resurrection the possibility of miracles.

Objection to Merkel. The problem with the bonded myth of the popular subject, as well as the problem of evil and all support by the objection to the Scriptures of the well is probably the most popular topic to get right. Yeah those are certainly common ones that that we run into why do you think there seems to be an increase in this phenomenon.

Now as compared to maybe a generation or two ago that a good question is not clear whether it is an increase in people D converting from the crater whether it increased and it will be willing to talk about her diverse and often way. It could be either buried or perhaps both, but I think that there's wider access to the Internet and that the dissemination of information and that that think so. Everyone eventually with a WebCam and microphone and keyboard and hat platform out a lot of information out there on the Internet. Much of it critical of biblical Christianity and unfortunately we haven't done a very good job as at the church of equipping and educating our those there are in our congregation concerning the objection to the Bible and the evidence the burial Christianity.

Yeah, I deftly see it the same ways would you describe Jonathan you'll have say the books of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens Sam Harrisonburg Herman became bestsellers and then their sayings, their arguments, became popularized and then filtered down to is the man on the street or 15-year-old kid online and filtered down through memes in" and things like that and suddenly stuff that maybe you would deal with. If you were in grad school and had a professor raising issues or you were at some liberal seminarian they were questioning the Scriptures now is just country condenser average person so that's what we have to do a better job of getting solid answers out that you started a new initiative which is very exciting and very unique so little listeners know about this later. The website talk about and eventually we've assembled a team of more than $50 in expert in different subjects from New Testament scholarship ~scholarship the Glebe Rd., Old Testament archaeology technique at the battle of them philosophy astrophysics and geophysics biology, biochemistry, pathology, therapist. After the fourth and basically we are human dollars and thinkers who are willing to do one-on-one private call with Christians who are struggling with their faith struggling with that regards to the breathy of the Christian faith. Essentially, any topic that you can imagine we have caller specialist is able to you do private mentoring with people concerning that issue and including emotional concerns. A lot of people either. Not so much for intellectual concerns but is also emotional about as well. We have people who have degrees in psychology. We have therapist to pastor and the fact that eventually what were trying to do is talk about that and I have a discourse community for Inquirers to talk about that facilitate community and further discussion public been contacted with people that would be in touch with in the past.

We also have weekly hang out with inquirers. The document that where we are alternate we tweak when we get the emotional or I would like to run the one of her former inquirers for free for inquirers that are part of our team, and every other week we have an online course on the evidence before Christianity to talk about is the website for the weight work. The someone will website the form and then we distribute that to the relevant caller at the end that color will bank contact with the individual schedule a private conversation concerning the Dutch citizens… Incredible initiative Johnson and I was the much needed but that you have specialist willing to take time.

This is this is people say have a lot to help and I'm willing to take time with people. This is this is really remarkable and you could talk with her tough skull Prof.

When I got hit with objections to the face this new believer, especially Jewish objections in a way to go. I the only Christian scholars I knew of were in book form. They were brilliant but didn't have sensitivity to the Jewish objections the Jewish believers that I met were more evangelist's love women lost but they did have academic background. The professors on the college were not believers, and I really know where to go and it was a matter of having to pull myself up by my own bootstraps that was was a challenge if they work well for me but it was a challenging time and if I had known some of this existed, would be incredible.

So what. What a godsend. Talk about doubts.calm so one more question, and then will open the phones starting with Joseph and boss. This will come your way in a minute.

Joseph anyone else that wants to call in with questions, doubts you're struggling with 866-348-7884 so give us an example obviously not the person's name but give us an example of someone that that wrote to you on the website. Inquirers are struggling and then they spoke with the specialist and other faith has been renewed sure one of our members here restart while go over a year ago.

I'm way the government that launched officially November.

I already went with putting something on my personal website, that the most recent version of it, but on the bow year ago I heard from a guy named Justin actually you question concerning the true Christianity basically looked into Roman Catholic doctrine.

I'm attracted restart and limit default of them and then occurred to him. White.

I have never actually applicable question and we know the Christianity is to recall, looking ahead to pick between Protestant of the McCormick of all the support that it never occurred to him. She left me with a question at the Bell might not be true that he restart the and I we a document that we have several of his mentor him for a period of nine months and at the end of my mom got sick and visited me in Boston and told me that at that point he was never Coptic Christian and being for talk about that you were to be an atheist or an agnostic and that we actually brought on her team McCue burger unit relating to people you are struggling with that emotion surrounding I doubt concerning faith and throughout your actually be.are you most of the progress that we run on Tuesday night a four pack inquirers as well that how gratifying the truth really does set us free. The doubts the questions disappear. You can breathe deep God's truth, the word is true friends you may be listening. You may be a scholar in your field.

You may be a theologian you may have years of ministry experience to people with emotional hurts and perhaps you can help serve in these ways is as well. You should contact talk about doubts to see if your services could be used for Jonathan. Let let's take some calls and will continue to interact source will start in Boston Massachusetts. Probably not far from you Jonathan out walking to the want to fire Joseph, thanks for calling Dr. Bernard "don't think the only Republican call though I am also the guy, I also know David Cabello got the Old Republic took and up with getting me to think about the divinity of Christ and after having with that. I'm actually starting to gold with the little bit of church fathers started building to Eastern Orthodox when you call Dr. my area. I've been busy and I'm wondering like you know some of the early early church fathers like Oregon claimant told him they seem to have had a little bit of a different outlook on the Trinity, though some of the other non-Chalcedonian curtain things like that. Note if I could. You got on the ballot, Chris. Not a good umbilical but still valid form of unity, you know, maybe some people like me court building 1/3 form of Christianity. No more deconstructing not to reconstruct it to another form Christianity and would still be good for what you guys think about Jonathan curative birth of all I do encourage people to do thing was between high stake objections and lower stake objections are there certain lower stake objections that Christians can bring over an example of that would be out of the birth of their meaning or younger versus older integration of the moral order eschatological perspective, the report where young Derek. There are Christian conservative evangelical Christian youth prescribed to you a diversity of people and legitimately I would argue that in the case at all reasonable. She revise one interpretation of the biblical text rather than drive Christianity into their there are other rations which are there other theological points which are more high-stakes, such as the resurrection of Jesus and the deity of Christ at the Trinity, and so forth and I want there to the document Trinity which is not the question and that I'm just about we I need to basically only what the Bible teaches concerning these matters that I think the Scriptures are very clear on the on the monotheism that there's only one dog and got his complexion is unity there being three divine persons. The father-son Holy Spirit to share that divine essence fully and completely.

Very clear about the absolute deity of the father, the absolute deity of the son and the absolute beauty of the of the Holy Spirit distinguishes between those individuals that yeah I mean something that are not as document count you out of Christian, but if you look at it you know maybe like Billy Oakley or something like that would be the problem that was a cute debate but nevertheless the still Christian so it may be looked at as a whole city is still his grace is one of the spirit is the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown to visit. Talk about If you have friends that are struggling levels of the struggle you're struggling maybe some of actually falling away, but there's still openness to dialogue.

Talk about hey just this one less thing out among the sea to weigh in on my and Joseph when he came to David and I felt terrible for him.

After the show what I had no idea that he was in that level of confusion that level of misusing rabbinic sources that level of denying essentials about who you shoe is an you'll find a very steady affirmation of the deity of Jesus among early church leaders as well.

The later fine tuning in and trying to come to very specific philosophical statements to me is some of the Bible doesn't do it just presents the nature of God in print presents as Jonathan said the full deity of father-son spirit.

I believe it does a quite categorically it is a high-stakes issue of Jesus is just another created being. If if he's not himself divine.

That's a that is a massive issue.

Of course you'll find affirmation of his deity in Protestant, Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox circles as well as consistently. In the early church leaders so II just encourage on that line Joseph that you want to major on the majors you have to ask yourself what does the Bible say clearly what can I say states clearly can I fill in every blank in terms of how it all works know because God is transcendent and and is infinitely beyond us. We intellectually know he always existed and yet that breaks down in our logic because everything I sever the beginning. The way we think, but I just encourage you as as you look start with Scripture, see what Scripture says plainly and then see dude do I need to be able to figure out every detail within that or are there certain things that are mysteries are above my intellect in terms of understanding. Celeste is the other thing I would I would throw out to you so you can respond to that. This is my last thought of joy. I know I don't always understand everything but claimant a claim with the Bible claim and all the detail we can comfort computers… What I've been doing lately is getting into the Bible of the original language in Hebrew, the Greek and some of the church fathers.

Also, I don't completely public body theology come out ill all the thing and helpful. I am trying to go to Starbucks. I can't even go to Gary controvert all the work that out but that it helpful to hate great Joseph and and you're ready in dialogue with folks talk about so that's that's good and and positive light. Let's set let's go over to Paul in Richmond Virginia you're on the line of fire hello yes my concern. I'm 61 years old.

I accepted Christ when I was nine years old, so I've actually struggled with that somewhat because I was a child but I was a very mature child but one thing that contributes to my quote confusion" or quote down "is all the different denominational differences and I know he alluded to the smaller things the previous call but of all the different denominational beliefs, how they all differ even on the same radio station that I'm listening to in Richmond Virginia. I hear one minister say one thing and I hear another minister.

An hour later say something else.

Yeah that's very first question Paul and I'll just go a little further and and and get Jonathan to respond, but if you Jehovah's Witness that's it. This is what all Jehovah's Witnesses believe if you're a Mormon that's it. This is what all Mormons believe or if you Roman Catholic. This diversity paid. This is what Roman Catholics believe. But when you get to Protestants analogy have Protestant, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, would you have an endless array of different Protestant teachers erosive radio show and they're saying different things so as not in marketers Protestant basically is a child influenced heavily by Southern Baptist, but I have attended Nazarene at Vineyard, but I have not attended a church 20 years because I finally got so I don't know what the word is quote frustrated unquote that I Jesus have saved me, and that the only thing I need to go I Paul, thanks for your candor number one and for expressing its inclusive Jonathan of what you say.

The point yet. I think the God delight in the study of Scripture, and not every topic in Scripture. You clear the every other topic there certain topics which I think are the Scriptures are very clear on the deity of Christ would be one of those. For example, there are other subject that theologians of long debated and are not we are in Scripture.

Eschatology would be a good example of that. At that one of the apostle Paul have to say about the book of Romans chapter 14 we read my quote. As for the one who is weak in faith welcome, but not to quarrel over opinion one person believing it eat anything but the other what whether we first need only vegetable but not the one by one thing I let not the one good thing judgment on the one you eat for God is welcome him.

Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another. It is before his own master that he stands her.

Paul and he will be upheld.

The Lord is able to make and spend wondrous machines. One day is better than another another state all day alight each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. One of their they have there is not in honor of the Lord one deep even honor the Lord to give thanks to God the one of the things in honor of the Lord and get back to God, for none of us both to himself and none of us dies to himself live live to the Lord. We die, we die to the Lord for that whether we live or that we die we are the Lord so am Scripture teaches that we should be charitable to the work the to take different theological perspective on the nonessential. I would argue that we should go back to the eventual of the faith which Scripture, the Scriptures are clear on an old with a loose grip.

The nonessential issue to be charitable towards the cute take a different perspective on the minor nonessential aspect of the day that answer your question somewhat odd to have one final quick question because I know we're getting close to you, Dr. Brown ordered your guest think that hearing reports that in October through February were going to be entering into every dangers.

Which some are calling Gog and Magog.

I wouldn't put any stock in that whatsoever.

Paul people set dates all the time and was reading one book about biblical prophecy that says it's very rare that within the Bible.

The prophets even set dates as to when things would have noticed. You can safely ignore that and I'm sure that's quite fringe the plug adjustment throughout this one of the thing to to Edgewood Jonathan so beautifully said Romans 14.

I've traveled around the world. I've been overseas more. The hundred 60 times and then just outside the US or Canada Mexico it's a truth so total over 200 times. I think and I work with people from all different backgrounds, believers, and yet amazingly across culture but across denomination all the fundamentals were the same on we we believe God the same way. We believe the Bible the same way we were born again the same way we it's it's extraordinary.

I've been so many different churches, some of the cultures are so different and yet we have commonality, so could be that this diversity is a healthy thing and knows what I have to agree on these other areas because it's good it's it's fine.

It's part of being in relationship are being family and part of having some latitude to do some things differently, but the fundamentals that's what think you may drop the fundamentals are organically the same. And that's what makes us want to maybe if you connect with some of the believers in your community and be built up to get a thank you for calling Jonathan. I'd I'd love to pursue this again in the future get you back on talking in more depth. Take some calls again friends talk about with a great way to to reach out to experts get one-on-one help with extraordinary initiative. Jonathan Inc. in less than two minutes. If you were talking to it a scientifically minded atheist and wanted that person to think about one scientific fact that would make them wonder if there is an intelligent designer creator. After all, what's one single thing to use the most compelling scientific argument for a Creator designer to the Wi-Fi that I think that one of the most compelling life argument for me is the information content of valid especially in the digitally encoded information content that runs along the spine of the DNA molecule in every liberal Experian.

We die we usually associate information content, particularly in a digital form with conductivity at the the observation that we find information content of the spell is not particularly surprising on the hypothesis that a mind was involved in the organs of life, but I would argue that by collecting content that bed on the other. On the other side of the coin it is. While the private on the quality of advice at all, but that the member you have a top-heavy likelihood ratio where the observed data is much more expected on one hypothesis versus the pulpit about this and therefore tends to confirm very strongly confirmed the hypothesis that a mind was involved in the working of life on our planet and therefore that the Bible comfortably with a few thick worldview with a nontheistic will well well said and concisely and you nailed the time was Jonathan friends, go to talk about share the site with friends, loved ones D converting, deconstructing, or for you yourself very issues questions a Jonathan, let's do this again. So glad to have you states with establishes another program powered by the Truth Network

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