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July 3, 2019 4:10 pm
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This book in America. What makes our country great and what makes our country great stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of the fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH. Jim is Dr. Michael Brown.
I would love to get your perspective on our country on America. If you're born and raised here. If you come to America from another country.
What makes America a great nation and outstanding nation an amazing nation the nation that in many ways stands out in world history and and what are the significant shortcomings of America. What are our greatest problems and deficiencies to me being truly patriotic means that you look at both the good and the bad 866-34-TRUTH this is Michael Brown delighted to be with you today. 866-34-TRUTH 784 so you can weigh in on my question give me your views, which are peerless top two or three things that are great about America top two or three things that are not great about America which your take on it and foam lines are also open for any question of any kind on the to be doing that is much as I can.
These days you got questions, we've got answers once more 866-34-TRUTH so I was in New York City yesterday and I'm born and raised in New York City, New York City and Long Island spent the first six years.
New York City then raised on Long Island.
So this year I both spent the first half of our lives little over half of our lives in the New York area.
She Long Island.
The entire time he New York City and then Long Island I love New York.
I think a mate. It's an amazing city absolutely loved being there. It still in my blood. I if folks say where you from, even though I lived in North Carolina since 2003 and appreciate North Carolina and has been a home for family when people asked for you from I say New York originally North Carolina since 2003. Since certainly I have more of a New York personality and attitude that a North Carolinian personality attitude that I say that with deference and respect folks in North Carolina. I say that positively towards them not positively towards me.
As I say that the August I still got that kind of pushcart aggressive New York attitude. I am at the airport I get dropped off early expecting traffic. There's no traffic I'm two hours early. I'm still in a hurry I store get to the front lawn by sky taking so I am just always always, pushing in that regard, that's just in my blood, and that that straw you know that the that the New York type what you see is what you get. Hopefully Jesus is worth a lot of good qualities in the as well, but I love being in the city. All of the activity and everything goes on at the same time I grieve over the sins of New York City, a grieve over the wilderness of the city and by the wrong things that it exports and stands for it in in the same way I love America.
I'm amazed at her country. I was being driven to the airport yesterday leaving Manhattan after broadcasting from there yesterday and I was going to the airport and is a Pakistani cabdriver and he's been in the state since 1992 and he was seeing everyone to come to America from another country. They don't go back to their country and I said what is it that makes America so special and I heard this answer over and over and over folks who come from South America from folks who come from the Middle East from folks who come from Africa from folks who come from Pakistan and from Russia and other country after country opportunity opportunity. This is the land of opportunity. It's really amazing. I told them you will be in born and raised in America, you take it for granted. But you come from other countries and the opportunities here are extraordinary. The joke is told about was a famous joke. A friend told to me as Russian Jews were making all the out Israel emigrating Israel so fleeing from the anti-Semitism. There in the problems they're having their they came to Israel. On one hand it was wonderful to be in a in a Jewish nation and to not have to deal with anti-Semitism enough to deal with an X essential X essential's threat like this because you are a Jew them in their hostile forces wanted to attack but we have our home with Israel so very positive and so much opportunity in many ways to grow and thrive.
On the other hand, you have these Russian scientists coming over these highly educated people. The elite of their society. They came over Israel and they didn't have the same opportunities. So my friend told me the joke that you go over to the gas station and and as the guys pumping your gas. He's explaining to you that the chemical breakdown of this gas versus that gas because the guys a chemist. The scientists from Russia but he that many jobs available is only available jobs there were to gas station that might be slightly exaggerated, but there were folks came to Israel. Men were disoriented, went back home or office. It's it's a small minority, but that the I and I know there those who hear America working hard trying to get a job, try to get ahead and struggling so I don't mean that it's infinite and endless, but it is an amazing land of opportunity and it's an amazing land of freedom and it in fact it's it's amazing land of independence and can-do attitude. I was talking to one of my friends. His daughter had been married to a Russian and they were both Jewish believers in Jesus, they were living in Israel and the wife follow fell away from the Lord and left him. Anna and I asked I asked the father-in-law the father follow suit. So is your son while pursuing her because now this, though she left. That's it.
Nothing you can do. He said you know he doesn't have the American anything's possible can-do mentality was thinking yeah a lot of cultures do not instill that in you.
You grew up in, and the skies that the limit in America.
Other countries, the ceiling is the limit and the Pakistani Jos� look you have poor parents in Pakistan. You're going to be poor, you grow up in a certain social status. That's the status you understand very difficult to get out of. So America is an amazing land of freedom and amazing land of opportunity and I'm quite sure that whatever greatness that we have is due to our spiritual roots or Judeo-Christian foundation that the fact that we believe that that all men are created equal. By God at this me that every behavior is equal or we desire is equal her every action is equal that her humanity is equal yet times pastor history. We didn't live that out, but it's because of the Christian roots that we ultimately have sought to live that out and triumphed over slavery and in races over several ways to going certain ways yeah but but the fact of the matter is we we are an exceptional nation. When you compare us to other nations on the goal, so I've been overseas and come back to America so glad to be back in America and I'm going overseas and come back to America so grieved be America because I see how we have exported superficial materialism, a narcissistic, self-centered, carnal culture around the world and how we have exported porn around the world and in our violent movies and culture. We exported in certain ways around the world. So there many things about us that are outstanding and wonderful and beautiful. Many that are not in the prophets of Israel love their nation as much as anyone on the planet and yet and yet they often have the strongest words against their people.
I know that when Pres. Obama apologized overseas in different settings for America shortcomings. It riled a lot of Americans and their feeling was the president of the United States must give a strong feeling of national pride.
The president is not proud of America or Americans can be proud to be American.
The many who are not proud to be Americans and and shame on Nike for dropping of Betsy Ross sneaker because of a protest from calling Cabernet can others.
Yes it is true: capric when when the issue is no-no is not protesting the flag yes the flag was a big part of the protest from the start, but many Americans were upset with Pres. Obama doing that and they want someone that's proud to be American to be the president of our country not apologizing for shortcomings and I fully understand why many were upset at that. At the same time from the prophetic perspective understood Pres. Obama's perspective. In other words of the prophets often recognized Israel's false when I have done outreach to the LGBT community.
For example, I debated Harry Knox gay activists and professing Christian in 2008 began by confessing the failings of the heterosexual church in our shortcomings and our failure to set a holy and godly sexual standard and are wreaking havoc in marriage started there in our failure to reach out to LGBT identify people with compassion and kindness assert without apology and then sit.
That being said, I'm not going to fail you now by failing to tell you the truth here's the truth. According to Scripture, so I understand with Pres. Obama was doing understand why people were upset over it and understand why he felt the need to do it it that now there is a liberal American attitude that is constantly denigrating the country and constant speaking evil of the country, whereas when you compare us to the nations. We excel in many ways those other nations do not. And the same left-wing Americans off in will excoriate our nation and mock our nation and speak negatively of our nation will looking the other way at the crimes of other nations around the world that and an almost exonerate, say, communists and others with all their evils while excoriating American our liberties and and that to me is offense, but for someone to honestly say the Americas grape in America's failings.
I think that's commendable for someone to to set a look when I hear people chanting America America. The political rally or make America great again. What is it means that mean make us bigger stronger stronger military strong economy was a mean doesn't mean make us godly or make us humble, make us more God-fearing for America to be great.
America has to be good, America be good, America has to be godly right will hear from you on the look in a moment of the survey I did on Twitter asking this very question. What are the strongest points of America were the weakest points. The phone lines are open for your input as well.
As for your questions on any subject under the sun that relates to the line of fire. Yet if you differ with me.
I'd love to talk to you and find out why.
By the way, I I just happen on something was sending a link to a friend and I noticed that this this one filament online who this puts out videos critical of other leaders had one last bed and watch our two hours on watch I just know about this. People told me about, but I just checked to see others in good company.
These done videos attacking Ravi Zacharias Francis Chan Matt Chandler John MacArthur.
Oh yeah, I thought I'm in good company get attacked. But hey, if you're one of those critics must: let's do it not time to wash you our video but I constantly call 866-34-TRUTH of right back on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution.
Here again is Dr. Michael Brown and the fire grants or calls here quite good of the phones at the moment but let's look over Twitter and let me just see as I asked folks to weigh in what you think are some of our greatest strengths and weaknesses.
Let's see John our best Christian heritage freedom football is meaning American football and worst.
This sensate culture feels good do it nominal Christianity that tolerated racism now tolerates morality to Christian movements like the Mormons or JW's Church of Christ liberal denominations of let's see one offered positive opportunity go from nothing to a gazillion air to medicine three laws negative systematic racism, white privilege hypocrisy than another three best qualities charity working around the world.
Freedom, opportunity, three were sinfulness. Liberalism, freedom, double-edged sword.
Interesting. Another our individual liberty. Based on the word of God and our people's ability to love God and be charitable is best qualities worst qualities is the recent embracing of anti-Christian secularism and leftist ideology is destroying parts of the nation one more best striving after liberty, the worth of and protection of all persons in constitutional rights that that we have attain perfection in these categories.
The worst cell finalization of money progressive decline of morals and virtuous character that everyone thanked God yeah I I appreciate input don't agree with every line of every tweet, but agree with much of what I just read to you. There are, let's all go to the phones will start in California with Daniel walking to the line of fire doing well are you speaking right into your phone because it's a bit of bad connection. Yet the idea� Park better okay yeah sounds better now. I want you I meeting with him dollars when tomorrow and the other PhD in phonetic language in what they bring out when I bring up comment on Jesus thought they say what I would know my Lord and my God idiom you know I really thing I lowered my God I can't believe it, but how do you dispute that it obviously your expertise in the language the same way I dispute that there's a man in the moon made of cheese that was completely bogus. There is it's it's it's it's it doesn't exist. It's utterly imaginary and and say show me somewhere you show me in Hebrew literature, which is like that your peers, the skinny Hebrew Bible out to show me, show me where they choose doesn't exist 100% bogus and you know not not only not only that compressed Jehovah's Witnesses in John 11.
You know their translation that the word was God so so you so you believe into God's people into God and asked them to believe it's in on the Bible. They worship Jesus so they bow down before him on some level so you bow down to another God didn't the Bible tell you not to bow down to another God, you can point them to Isaiah 96.
Where the Messiah is called mighty God same way there you can point them to Colossians 29 with the fullness of of the deity dwelt in him in bodily form. The key thing is though Daniel to be candid yet truly determine if there's any openness in them there only going meeting with you is to change your view and persuasion so the only time also with Jehovah's Witnesses. If I see there's any openness on their part. Obviously I can in my sleep, demolish their errors.
It's not hard to learn to do that but can I win them to the Lord only if there's some openness on their part so they have one going meeting with you. That's persuasion. That's it. That's though it it and if they give the appearance of all normal that's talking to find out more.
That is purely to debate you in and to talk with you.
So, in their view that you you are the fish and they are the hook. It's it's that simple of the cell. If Bible yeah got it yet, so you'll be able to perceive whether either one is listening at all. Or there's any openness or someone seems to just as you give the answer. It registers from a split second before, the that the cultlike way of reasoning jumps back up. You can ask them in the book of Revelation. How is it that Jesus is identified is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last one. That's how God is a dinner. How is he that the beginning and the end if he has a beginning.
How see the beginning and the end. You know you could also point out a course in John 858 that their translation there of the Greek and the so-called Greek and definite tenses is completely manufactured just like the, the cheese man in the moon you know so it is easily demolish one other thing. Have you been to the Karma website, Karma.org yeah yeah yeah that's really good systematically breaking down beliefs of the cults and just lay out Scripture about the key thing is obviously no pray for them that God would open their heart open their mind and if you see any openness great not telecommute. You may just say his goodbyes really sharpened and that's what I'm getting with them to sharpen my apologetic sword.
So to say you have a better understanding of beliefs ill that's that's valid but your many people don't know who they're dealing with. Same with Mormons and time. I remember Nancy was speaking to some Mormons. I was away on a trip. It was winter and snow in the came to the door and she said well you must will be back. He loved to talk and she said to me, I think there's some openness with these guys. That's why I told him that. So the came back over to the house and and I sat with them and they began to give me their pat answers and and I said listen, I'm not here learn from you.
I'm here to help you. You're in serious error and and one day when you have kids and grandkids enough to give account to God or for deceiving them and raising them in error and one guy was really shaken cassettes. I have a charger so we better know what you doing math is government had no answers for anything but middle you should Daniel and yet, zero, 100 I can categorically say that their interpretation of John 2028 when Jesus appears to Thomas and Thomas is my Lord and my God does not mean my Lord Jesus, oh my God or as some of argued my Lord Jesus, all other looking up all God for forget about it. Is this in your thanks Daniel the logician, 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go over to Alaska David how you doing there. Good how to go Dr. Brown really well.
Thank you.
Sorry, I just wanted to appreciate your ministry wanted done for me. I like to listen to a lot of different speakers and different pastors. And you're definitely a good charismatic one that I like to listen to and I guess relations to questions on America. I grew up in the church. My parents more charismatic but when I grew up. It seemed like it gets less churches get less and less charismatic and more towards reformed type like Calvinistic perform type churches in. I guess that's the church part of, but I don't not necessarily company Calvinistic for believe miracles can happen today because I think you can especially improved in the Bible that the post happened for these days from just wondering have it.
Have you noticed that all over America or you will. That's David it's it's a it's a broad question. America is a big country of you and all of us only know so much in touch so many people and see so much data in us a few things out. First, there are Calvinistic charismatics historically this century and last century that is not been the norm, but there are more now than they were a generation ago as the charismatic movement and spread more and more and more that's one thing is a second thing is that I went that same direction late 70s early 80s that as I became more Calvinistic. I became less charismatic and I'm not faulting anyone but for me it was part of a of a heavier intellectualism and theological emphasis that downplayed relationship and encounter.
So I have you seen churches that as the leave their first love as they leave dependence on the moving of the spirit as they leave a burden for the lost and begin to get more theological that they have been that Calvinism has an appeal to them as a more corporate Orthodox system or a more systematic way of thinking and that draws them in. Now I know others that say that their own lives to be revived by becoming Calvinists that he gave a greater love for God's appreciation of grace on I'm not obviously I can't speak for everyone all but what I I also see is that a lot of the charismatic church has has gone in such a direction of a superficial self-help gospel AMI centered message that there is a rightful swing away from that within the swing often goes so far in a God centered way that it goes in my view to a view that that is beyond Scripture, and that would become Calvinism. So it Calvinism in a sense is the answer to the self-centered gospel with an answer goes too far and sometimes those in the charismatic movement were swinging away from this, everything predestined by God and from salvation, message, and then swung this way were now man's in the center or at Satan here in God here and we cast the deciding vote.
That being said around the world. The churches that are growing the most rapidly in terms of conversions of the lost and sustainable church growth around the world overwhelmingly they are charismatic Pentecostal of overwhelming and sometimes as they settle in more ends and see less of the supernatural and and start to get into more theological reflection they become Calvinistic in some ways there's a healthy movement in other ways and unhealthy for me emphasize first love, passion for the Lord. Intimacy with God burden to reach the lost countering cosmos.
We may draw on those things will come out well. I thank you for the call number is said and it's the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown category, but I just spotted on Amazon that just bows North America, which comes out in slightly over a month now the number one release new release and history of Christianity on Amazon if you haven't yet ordered just bows North America do so today go to Jezebel's war with America.com will give you instructions on how to preorder that if you preorder from us to sign the recopy with the spiritual warfare series that's that's all done and will bless you with a free series as well, but if you order Amazon, Barnes & Noble Christian book any of the online book dealers trigger just bows North America.com to get the e-book free also, you get playing with wholly far the e-book of that free and then a bunch of other resources free when the publishers along with the redoing. I was shocked.
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Any comment of any kind, but in particular with joy forthcoming. Tomorrow if you have some thoughts on what makes America great. What makes America not great. What are her greatest qualities were worst qualities will take some calls.
I asked the same question on Twitter we read some of the responses. One of the best qualities are America top three still have a God-fearing core or heart to give the Constitution bottom three are people too na�ve sleeping church, large godless population 123 allows evil to thrive and pervade every thing. Here's one higher British guy was visit America giving his opinion here. Thank you three best Constitution approach to apologetics, theologians three worst seminaries pervasive cultural Marxism, consumerism. Yeah, I agree. What makes America great is that were free to talk about what is. It is great about America law places you can't do that or here's another all good Democrats and anti-far and another the best of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the land and the people when confronted this individual worst of the government and so forth has been corrupted its government worship of all of above all else, and the people when confronted is a mob with the left or right leaning I will more best underpinning of biblical worldview slow but real cultural progress in some areas. Rule of law.
Worst inflated sense of godliness and healthy marriage between economics and politics, but it honestly assess its moral track record. For example, braces appreciate the thoughts, contributions very much right back to the bones over to rush on in Florida. Thanks for calling the line of fire and there.
Dr. Brower you doing very well thank you sir. I recently came across the channel. I love what I heard God brought sweet.
I'm so glad to hear that you are one of the world.
I think part two of the word aspect of America, one of relative prosperity gospel being adopted by the church. Overall, I think most people we've gotten away from you know really seeking God for our purpose and is defined in our life in focus of you know, achieving wealth or name or you know just really trying. I get that build the resume trying to take money and I think that you know with with especially even in my search for instance you if you pay your tide. God bless you with with with with. I did millionaires near but know God never said that he can give a rigid and and in pain. You know you can you give a P and love go to the spirit� Blessed with, you know, I really think we know current back of biblical foundation at most people with pain and secondarily I think that another another issue that really plaguing America but the church primarily is the fact that they're not aware of the spiritual walk of warfare. You know, in other country, especially on the Middle East.
Great, you know, in the Bible it says that you don't being manifested something that was normal. But in America were not easy. We don't see the thing you know as prevalent as in other countries you are not aware of ELM part be a part of it is is a bit of rationalism and naturalism. If you go over states of the continent of Africa spirituality there basically takes the spiritual realm to be as real as the natural realm, that's just commonplace. Their Baptist Church is no non-charismatic Baptist churches in Africa.
The drive demons out of people and things are so much more open overt here. It's much more hidden and and people who can be really demonized. People can rise up the leadership in the society ideologically and otherwise the spread. All because of perversions around the nation and they get they get celebrated the rest of the prosperity gospel would grease me. There were shot, especially as we picked we've exported it around the world. We we have we have preached it and look I believe in provision. There's an unhealthy mentality that thinks you know we never have enough.
And we never have, and we can never give so there's a spirit of generosity that the word of God encourages and and we could have a giving spirit and because were a prosperous nation all the more. Should we have a giving generous spirit into that extent, America's really helped fund the gospel worldwide it in amazing amazing ways. At the same time. The other part. Where's the cross in the prosperity gospel. Where's the deny yourself, take up the cross, follow me by life or by death. In the prosperity gospel, the American mentality is Jesus died for me, meaning it's all about me, as opposed to Jesus died for me so that I can live for him. So though those are weaknesses for short, no question about it and and by the way, my Jezebel book, which comes out in a month. One of the big things is to say, open, open your eyes, friends, let's open our eyes to the reality of spiritual warfare that were in when receive visibly or not we see all the evidence of a thank you sir for the call and for being a new subscriber 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go over to Russell in Georgia. Thanks for calling the line of fire photograph. I have a quick question. My wife, who is struggling to believe after her mother after two years ago. I've been trying to point her or start your braided struggling a lot and wonder evidence was for users to despairing her almost agnostic sort of view is usual computed is that there is no evidence for distorted Bibles been manipulated by the default of all the stuff I tried pointing her to some of James White's textual criticism material about their current bit go our department to more negative there anything your whereabouts or reading material which got any strong evidence that supports the biblical account of Exodus. Yeah, of course, you think about Peter Jackson don't write as much of it recorded they would've recorded yeah that that that is an argument that's raised in other words this substance to that argument. Where is it chronologically.
How does it fit at the same time the Egyptian leaders were famous for not talking about their defeats and their failures. So that's the other thing what type of literature did they write and would they be prone to admit such devastating calamities and losses in the. The answer is many cases, no it what I'd encourage you to do is check out the writings of Kenneth kitchen, Kenneth kitchen. He's one of the world's foremost Egyptologists okay very very few Egyptologists beyond him. I mean, among the most highly respected in the world for many many years. Work with the primary sources and he wrote a bunch of books attacking the higher critical views of the Bible.
Beginning in the 60s with ancient Orient and Old Testament. He wrote a book about 500 pages.
We put a lot of stuff together.
Dealing with the criticism and the mockery it's called on the road on the reliability of the Old Testament Kenneth kitchen area go Kenneth A. Kitchen on the reliability of the old testament. That's one book and it's it's quite comprehensive in terms of of what he deals with with these he knows his stuff, let me mention another scholar James Hofmeyr HO FFMEIER also one of the most respected Egyptologists around today and he has a book specifically dealing with the Exodus itself are. I remember getting a call from a 16-year-old Jewish man who was really searching for the truth and coming to faith in Yeshua and asked me this very same question and I recommended this book to him Israel in Egypt is the name of the book by James K Hofmeyr FO HO FF and me.
I also these are both highly respected Egyptologists out there there both evangelical Christians, but outside of their Christian faith.
They are highly respected as scholars of Egyptology, so one the kitchen book is much broader, but also deals with the Exodus question the Hofmeyr one is just focused on that. You know, obviously there's some disappointments, something or some hard to support someone with your wife. That's the deepest issue and as you pray, ask the Lord for wisdom and insight as to what's the root of her training from the Lord. Sometimes it's disappointment sometimes it's it's it's rebellion or seduction of sand or whatever you can hit different ways but many times what happens is when there is a a solid intellectual response. It opens the door for face to come again. In other words someone loses faith and right now it's more emotional thing than an intellectual, but when we give them something that's intellectually sound it opens their their heart will maybe I can look at this again slowly pray for Russell's wife to get open her heart and her mind respond to true.
They should be restored to make you know you away. She never has before he Russell wisdom will be right back. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown and voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 86643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown my friends forward to us on the line far you 634 truth hey let me draw your attention to an article will have time to go through it now, but it's at my friend Joseph Matera's website.
So Joseph Matera M ETT ERA.org Joseph Matera.org it's called our declaration of independence from God. Joseph is a careful biblical thinker solid in history and philosophy is analyzing issues an elitist leader. So check that out Joseph Matera.org or Declaration of Independence from God relevant on this day before July 4, 866-34-TRUTH I'm going right back to the phones over in Arkansas.
John, welcome to modifier. Thank you Dr. Brown yeah got a question about the firmament and or direct Kia yeah and am right now.
In particular, I'm looking yeah you know we know it goes back to Genesis 26 but in there at all.the heavenly water and any Ezekiel you can see that he, you know, as a microcosm of that with the masse Maricopa above their heads was the likeness of firmament, and in it and it was likened unto you know Cara are product eyes are crisp and you know, the Septuagint followed that with Crystal and then you find that reference when you go to Revelation or before the sea of glass, you have the same identical crew, the loft being used in Revelation. I believe chapter 4 right and so gets her down.
Listen to okay so you know I'm not and I'm I'm August and I'm am an evangelical and I used to believe in the theory that in the flood, you know that it firmament came down ending on that. How you're able to flood the earth, because you can't put your 50 just dump the water on the sea. From the interview to Colorado scene. He put on plan to go back into space in the face.
He got have water from an outside source, but we know that you know the story of creation, but according to David, you know like you go to Psalm 19 landline and yet it actually though it's a backup which is about the Septuagint is not accurate. By the way you get the words rhyme their yet that the Septuagint is Prince hung when he was on Crystal area, what you mentioned Crystal to mention Crystal because Larry Omar is not know what famed doctor in an end and that the Septuagint when you go to the standard stereo with stereo as the crystal that is just a translation of her kidneys armaments or firmness, so the crystal is likely to carry on my decor. He called it something heart you know and that's where it you know Milligan hello hello okay you're missing you missing the point. Missing the point.
All looked like it looked like Crystal didn't say that my Maricopa you're looking at that, you know his vision of the you know of the cherubim federal court is going to be what would that the mood or some like that is like the appearance of seven so we know that recce of the word rockier can in Phoenicia, for example, I can just refer to something like a beat out piece of tin or metal right if you're looking at in the most natural physical terms you got this this this substance of some kind that separates the waters about floors below and then when the windows open. The waters come down through that that would be the most natural way of looking at things but but nowhere is the recce actually pictured as some kind of metal dome or anything like that. It's it's something we yeah all yeah you're wrong about that in the book of Joe you don't know it says that that that this Kaiser card at a molten looking glass number where wasn't talking about the direct Kia your you're sure that the sudden appearance that something about how skies appear use in the body that that the author just like just like Kate, Kate, Dr. and the ancient world, you know, like you, Gavin.
Not like you can go to the Egyptian creation story you got you got yeah she sees the sky got it embedded in her. If the stars and the firmament okay and you got yeah you know down below and now and in the Babylonian creation story you have the same thing. I mean, you got you got it all, but you okay so when you look at, you should know this. Then the Bible stands out like a light from massive darkness in the Babylonian account, is cut in half and half is heaven and half his earth and you got a battle between the deities and some of the DVDs are upset because didn't give is too much noise going on, so that a battle between them. We get you terrific literature where this beast reality occurring in or with the with the divine beings and things like that to Genesis 1 stands out and start contrary read Genesis 1 where did I know I totally agree with you and enjoy you know I got highly earth on nothing but way I appreciate your familiarity with this in the languages. That's great.
So your bottom line question that I'm not quite sure with the question okay so my my my questionnaire that it is something that is hard because it operating the heavenly ocean above. As we know from Psalm 148 port that you note that David says rejoice. You waters with car above the heavens. So you know that the question right was the question, though that's times are disinherited. That is that that is that that that that the Bible have a different cosmology. Dan a modern evangelical scholar would adopt because according to Psalm 19.
This is what is what moving you know it. It is a patient ready for his observation have let me ask you something's on. If the Bible talking about the earth moving around the sun.
Then everyone in until Pritikin does this lesson than everyone until the Copernican revolution would've thought know in until the time of shift with Galileo and all the they were both of the Bible is wrong.
It is using observational language and it is describing things a certain physical terms but also says that mention of God hangs the earth on nothing mentions things like that so yeah John II read Genesis 1 to understand God's order and to understand how he sets things in place and then out what what you may want to do though if if you haven't done this. I'm not sure if you've seen Jonathan Saar fought these commentary on Genesis knows the Hebrew well he's a young earth creationist and I be curious if you have the chance to look at a junk is obvious why I have bathroom on commentary and angle of the restaurant is eternal and I will get this followed exactly the a 8 that you know he knew Millie and me with the problem of it being made.
Okay, so John just it just dump it actually Vester Mann is his brilliant critical German scholar but Vester Mann differs with most critical scholars in his right and he does not believe that the Ed Newman and the opening clause is found in Genesis 11, but rather in Genesis 1 to this woman standing by itself. That's all of the subject get Jonathan Saar fought these commentary on the opening chapters of Genesis. Okay of course cost restaurants and said these are brilliant but liberal critical German scholar course all right. One of the thing get the Bible and the ancient world by Kenneth kitchen. I just reference them. The Bible and the ancient world by Kenneth kitchen. He will demolish the idea of a direct connection between the Bible and creation account in Genesis 1 and since you evangelical. These will help you, Kenneth kitchen, the Bible and the ancient world. That's one and then Jonathan Saar fought these commentary as a young earth creationist on the early chapters of Genesis. I think you'll find it to be very interesting reading. All right, let's see do I have time.
Okay let me try to go quickly. Brian and California dive right in. Time is short.
Okay Dr. Brown very good yeah just speak up and go for it all off so they like but in order to talk to you.
You quite a bit really quickly.
My question is in regards to salvation actually burned like language, that I I've just come across a book. I don't know if you know what just come across.
I've been reading a book by David Hoffman. I don't know if you notice coursework yeah yeah you bet.
And I really like I I've been really checking a lot of it with scripture and I one thing that like a conviction that I've developed is like language, like I keep seeing everyone think I'm Dave and she's bathed in these data need not be an really coming to Steve salvation out the process.
I feel like that like this is a tale and I'm just jumping in the time sake. So did David Pawson let him challenge you highly respected British Bible teacher scripturally.
The word so-and-so save we have been saved.
We are being saved.
We will be saved. That's a scriptural way of looking at it. We have been saved, no question about it.
We are being saved me and become more holy and growing into the image of Jesus and we will be saved.
Many final resurrection and be with the Lord forever. So yes, it's past is present his future in the David Pawson question is will will you be safe from being saved to better yet who are you surveying friends will be live tomorrow on July 4 Douglas