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September 9, 2019 4:30 pm
So what are we to make of people shaking, falling, laughing, crying when allegedly touched by the Holy Spirit.
How we judge these things stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown we are good to get to the word today and we are going to raise some fascinating questions and we are not going to shy from controversies because we want to welcome everything God does everything God sends want to reject what the enemy sends we want to be very cautious about what people do we want to look to the Lord for wisdom. I we navigate the waters of the moving of the spirit. The charismatic gifts alleged manifestations of the spirit, outpouring revival, how do we navigate those orders. This is Michael Brown. As you can see back in the studio fewest things you sound exactly the same but back in our home studio so doing our proper live stream on YouTube and Facebook and the phone lines are open 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 7884.
I'll tell you in a moment why I'm addressing this today, but I want to invite you to call with honest questions.
One invites you to to ask things that bother you right now. You may want to ask about a particular ministry or video you saw, and I might feel at liberty to speak to that specific situation, or if I don't know about her son appropriate. I want but feel free to be as specific as you want.
Okay and just don't mention your local church or home church. If you have a question be generic.
There, but if you saw something on TV Christian TV or or saw something on YouTube and this is public and you have it on this question, especially about alleged moving of the spirit. How to discern the how to recognize please by all means call. I'm inviting you to eat it. You might save Dr. Brown discuss. I can be critical of you, that's perfectly fine.
You may have questions that others have. We want to do our best to clarify all right on the one hand, many consider me to be quote the, the foremost apologist for the charismatic movement today and in other words, the best known voice or the most respected voice. I'm not saying that about myself and say what others might say in defending the gifts and power of the Spirit for today so the charismatic Pentecostal movement at the same time I'm probably the best known critic within the movement, having written whole books with titles like whatever happened to the power of God or playing with holy fark.
The subtitle of whatever happened to the power of God is is a charismatic church slain in the spirit down for the count. That cannot in 1991 and I wrote that as a Pentecostal charismatic last year playing with holy fark about the subtitle to that wake-up call to the Pentecostal charismatic church. So the one hand, I absolutely believe in the moving of the Holy Spirit for today, the power the Holy Spirit manifested in signs, wonders and miracles. I believe that people can be touched and overpowered by the spirit many glorious life-changing ways and at the same time. I hate fluff I I hate bad teaching. I hate manipulation, emotionalism, abusive leadership and an end unaccountable prophecies in an on and on and on. Right doesn't mean I'm perfectly balanced, but it means that that because were also involved in the culture wars and were also involved in Jewish apologetics and outreach and were also involved in biblical scholarship that a lot of you who listen and follow me essay. Following in the right since the work on some cultlike way, but many of you who listen to be read by right follow me on some level you're not charismatic and Pentecostal for the life of you. You can understand how I could be involved in certain meetings or work with certain people on the five people would work with under any circumstance and plenty people and reach out to behind the scenes on them to accounting and asking them to repent and get things right. Say what it will have reached out to be on scenes for recent behind scenes okay but but II want you to understand why I believe things are valid and how we look at them scripturally is the word of God is the ultimate God, not my feelings that your feelings that my experience that your expense with the word of God is our God on the word person you know that you know me and follow me word person my Job commentary comes out late October early November. In fact for everyone.
That will be at the Southern Evangelical seminary apologetics conference in October.
All right, this is actually early October. I think right second week of October for all of you who sign up for that and go there. I'll be bringing a plenary session on Job and we will have advanced copies of the Job counter that's where it doesn't officially come onto the next month, but we will have advanced copies. There's on I may word person all right wrote a commentary. Jeremiah contracted in the future to write a commentary Isaiah on the word person I love the word is as hopefully so so many of you do the word as our guide and I know that a good tree cannot produce bad fruit in a bad tree cannot produce good fruit and I know that we don't want to go beyond the word and the famous dictum of Jonathan Edwards. The great philosopher, theologian and leader in the first great awakening in the 1700s. Edward said we ought not to limit God where he has not limited himself.
So the Edwards principles were simple that you cannot make an evaluation based on shaking, falling, crying, various things like that people at entrances, etc. simply because the word of God doesn't tell you to evaluate based on that, although he thinks for good reason people might fainter groan and cry in the presence of God are overcome by the word of God places that doesn't prove anything. You do what you have to look at the fruit in the life afterwards so I bring all this up because this this past week I was in Pensacola Florida and I was participating in a conference call like the fire again and there were well-known leaders. Leaders that have been involved in past revival movements and I was speaking as well and every night at the end of the night.
There was, if it's relevant an altar call for people to get right with God do with sin in their lives or get saved but because many many people are believers and just coming for refreshing. We also laid hands on people every night and some of this is on video and I'm laying hands on people and their falling to the ground and some are shaking things like this you think will.
How can that be got. How can that be God and others are watching us and how Price got its powerful so how do we evaluate these things. I can tell you I felt the Holy Spirit move through me in touch people. People could tell you they felt the Holy Spirit.
Someone else could watch you say I didn't feel the spirit. Obviously the feelings are not the test. So the first thing we do in friends if you have questions, please call with questions. 866-34-TRUTH 784 or a relevant testimony. Either way, positive or -866-34-TRUTH okay so I go to the word and I search the Scriptures. Does the word of God, tell me that I can evaluate whether something is of the spirit are not whether people fall or shake or groan or cry out, or laugh or weep. Can I evaluate based on that. I search the Scriptures Genesis to Revelation. And I see zero in the Bible that tells me I can evaluate based on that right someone could just be emotional. Someone could be copy what they saw. The people do someone could be under demonic control someone to be genuinely touched by the spirit and outwardly you might see the same thing happened you don't test the Bible never tells us to testify that now people sit with the fruit of the spirit of self-control from dispersal control for this result. Yes, moral self control is not. It does not mean that when the message is so convicting that that you can help us all got Sir Brother Burger self-control. Where was the self-control of the people in July 1741, when Jonathan Edwards preached in Enfield, Connecticut's famous message sinners in the hands of an angry God, and they began to scream and cry out fall to the ground. I grab hold of the pillars of the building and and there it reportedly nail marks in blood as he was scratching the pillars as they were falling to the ground, think, and it was sinking into hell and trying to hold off.
Where is there self-control.
That's not the self-control it's talking about when you're so overwhelmed with the joy of the Lord, all you can do is shout and praise him and jump and dance and celebrate it is not lack of self-control or lack of self-control is is one you you know you're supposed to be watching your diet and and instead you eat for Dunkin' Donuts and and a gallon of ice cream, lack of self-control is is you know God calls you to purity and you spent two hours watching pornography lack of self-control is somebody cut you off in their car and you get angry you swerve at them, cursing and yelling and try to drive them off the road that's lack of self-control but was John lacking self-control and Jesus appeared to Revelation 180 fell down like dated his feet were when Ezekiel collapses in the presence of God. Ezekiel to or Daniel in the presence of the angel in Daniel 10 with a lacking self-control know that's it's not dish with the people. The book of acts were crying out what we do what must we do it in acts 237, with a lacking in self-control were Cornelius and his household when the spirit came on them and they spoke in tongues with a lacking in self-development. Self-control's moral discipline moral self-control so someone says Lord touch me and that we pray for them and and some stand and some fall on their faces and some fall to the knees and some falter back and some cry and some are silent and some weep and and some shaken where's the Bible tell me that that's irregular it doesn't. Where's the Bible tell me to beware of this, it doesn't.
On the flip side, where is the Bible tell me that's the proof of the spirit. It doesn't it doesn't prove that's the spirit people falling, shaking, crying. This improvements in spirit and could simply be the way different people respond when touched just like someone screams when they see a mouse is so mouselike a mouse. What was our manifestation of amount.
No, no, that was how people respond so since the Bible does not tell me to evaluate. Based on this ongoing evaluate based on the fruit that comes and having prayed for thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people all over the world for many many years and having heard the consistent fruit of people impacted lives changed as a result of which they love Jesus more. The Jesus of the Bible the that one and only son of God God in the flesh, the eternal son of the Trinity, the Redeemer, the virgin born son of God, who died for sins, rose from that is returning that Jesus, they are more in love with Jesus. They are more in love with the word they turn from sin to holiness and they have a burden to reach the lost to the point that many of those we laid hands on who wonderfully touched years ago.
The Browns revival had never on the mission field, preaching Jesus and living sacrificially from us. 20 years the pray for him just part of what happened but they would say they were refreshed and blessed saw the cancer. Praise God. God is moving and plus I'm not doing it. All I'm doing is laying hands on people in accordance with Scripture. Lay has a meant to be touched and filled with the spirit, that's all. And I'm not doing the rest all right but as I evaluate Scripture lesson. Praise God. Three. Good fruit is not a bad tree being that fleece is not a good tree and visitor eventually very good. This work your calls come back. Her plan and by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. You might say to me, look, I understand what you're saying. The principles, but Paul talks about doing things with certain order and Republic Services that things should be done in order because God is not a God of confusion.
The first one says God is not a God of confusion with the context.
The context is that one prophesy can stand up and say God told it's gonna rain tomorrow, next prophets of God, like the rain tomorrow and the next prophets of God and telling you anything and then that's confusion Gonzalez not speaking through them or for prophets get up and offered representatives all speaking at the same time that so that's confusion all right. But here's what's fascinating here is fascinating in first Corinthians the 14th chapter 1, Paul talks about doing everything decently and in order the service for most of us would be somewhat scandalous piece from a house meeting really that's how they were meeting there so not thousands and thousands of people. This would be possible maybe got 1520 people and in it in house in a room and he says this is the right order one of you as a tong one has an interpretation one is a prophecy one is a teaching one is a song and how many of our meetings are like that right here. Let let's scroll down first Corinthians chapter 14. I'll keep scrolling down here and if you say scrolling down on the radio. We got a text on screen for those watching. Keep going keep going and Paul's giving guidelines about tongues, prophecy, if messages everyone speak in tongues at the same time and in terms of everyone here it right you get this go back a bit of art right there. We get rigid so there's confusion people insecure mad stones with interpretation great alloys prophecy that we know at Pentecost.
Everyone was speaking at the same time within the speaking different languages right so first rent is 1426. What is it than brothers when you become together. Each one is a Psalm in teaching Revelation, a tong interpretation little things be done for edification. So, it's so interesting, as a lot of people quote this and say look, think should be done decently and in order, but that not even charismatic or Pentecostal. I don't mean that as an attack absently saying that's that's the order of which Paul speaks with the gifts be manifest in orderly way from my perspective, and the services in Pensacola and other services you worship. You have preaching from the pulpit of altar call, you have prayer time during the prayer time because touching people in various ways so it's it's all within certain constraints and it's interesting that an environment like that in Pensacola for years.
We saw literally thousands of first on conference literally. I was talking to one of them down in Pensacola this week the first week I was in Brownsville in in 1996 it was I think the first Saturday in June 1996 that I remember seeing the sky big hokey guy and he had been a drug dealer and a bar bouncer and a violent guy wants to get wonderfully safe season. Following Jesus loving the Lord married kids do ministry work and and you know living living his life for many many years and it we saw that all the time so it's sinners came and they were saved left and right in that environment. They want scandalous and there was order there was worship.
There was preaching there if if there's prophecy or gifts that was done in the proper way and in prayer time people being touched and I can tell you first and I pray for people who were skeptics and mockers. But they were there they stood on line for hours to get in the family brought them they were there and by the end of the night. They were gloriously born-again, weeping, repenting, getting right with God. That's us and I was looking for. Okay one quick story I've heard from many people who came to Pensacola and observe that in the past and while was there 96 to 2000 and during the Browns revival and I've heard many testimonies of people who were there, so the meetings were good, but I was expecting more.
The ego God move but I was expecting more and and then then they left. And when they left driving in their car alone on their point back in their home in the church, the Holy Spirit fell on them dramatically, sometimes with multiple people who are all there at the same time. All the same meetings were good but we expected more all traveling independently.
Different parts of the plane all touched at the same time to get off the plane to semi-go there weeping, overwhelmed by the spirit and and and this lasted for years of fresh touch and love for Jesus and the laws and God didn't like that so that would be separate from a crowd separate from anyone touch them so they would know it was the Holy Spirit. That's when the great signs of revival that that it's outside of the meeting and beyond the meeting, 866342 effectively just jump straight over here to Minnesota.
Deborah, you are at the light the fire conference in Pensacola. So please love to hear your thoughts on it, but I watched every organ of it God and wish I could've been there but one thing I want to stay if you don't know how many times the camera panned to you when you were not on stage and I was so impressed.
I mean, I know this about you any help but that you were still engaged with the other speakers and you know someone like you who spend so much of this you know you could have easily depend on whatever this is that now you are still engaged in life. Such humility and such on engagement and and and that you are stoked for the other one younger one. The older one thing just so respecting of what God was doing to each person and then when you got up and spoke, you prayed a prayer, torture and better toward the end of your session and you spoke such words of encouragement on talking about God's promise that the end and just trying to encourage people in youth for chapter 1 Chapter 2 Chapter 5 might have looked faster but God still can fulfill his promises and I just want to thank you this isn't the first time.if you you so powerfully to give me that encouragement when I was ready to sterling the towel, that saying thank you for sharing that you're very gracious and in the Lord is this wonderful so thank you for sharing that and and may he fulfill his promises to you, may you live to see the promises that God spoken to me� You can fulfill in your own life. God bless you, 866-34-TRUTH out. We go to Stephen in Atlanta.
Welcome to the line of fire grabbing me, you bet you will wait, movement, and was a very long although I get the more back the cost will be logically now, but anyway thing that you empathize with the idea like different levels of anointing like it on the back accused.
In light of this guys more anointed this questionnaire by the and oh appellee would do years ago on careful study, I came to reject that notion on that I can definitely stay in the Old Testament were certain individuals were annoyed course for the purpose them were annoyed to be profit rethinking etc. but it face to me in the New Testament that God and like all believers, though there's not really a system of anointing you know I will. And so and I think the only exception be them Jesus Christ just be anointed so that L think that this is even would you recognize that God gives different people different gifts absolutely right, and that some of the gifts are more public some more private.
Some can seem more dynamic. Some more behind the scenes. Would you agree with that. Yes, like I think for for lack of better precision. That's what people were saying it. And yes, we all have an anointing in Jesus as sons and daughters of God and in his sight. We are 100% equal as sons and daughters just mean that leaders don't lead and that is been under leadership over the years that I submit to those leaders that's disposition that's function but we are equally children of God and his real danger Sir at and you probably saw it in our Pentecostal charismatic circles that when someone is conspicuously gifted a certain way that they can almost manipulate others if there if their carnal or they could take advantage of that. Hey look, if I just prophesied over you, and I knew your name and your address and what you were dreaming last night. I can also say you need to write me a big check and II just send grievously against the Holy Spirit. But I used a gift eminently manipulative way. In the same way you might think well how can I possibly argue with that man's doctrine when he sculpts so anointed was a sips of the gift on that person. The words so I may be gifted with a certain power ministry to set captives free and drive out demons or someone maybe gifted with a certain preaching gift and their words are like thunder right but they're still just an equal in the Lord and in that sense we equally have the spirit so I think as long as you can recognize the distinctions and that we call it different levels of an or that one super anointed, it would be better to say that one has this particular unique gift and this one is that particular unique gift rather than hey man, I'm more anointed to new drug prayed for people more people fell over a more anointed than you may be the Lord anointed and do that right can also get to a point where you know you want my anointing you need to go through what I went there and all that other stuff and I'm just glad I don't think that's right, all artists are yes and I think that you know the really got were anointed with the Holy Spirit restricted by state. So I mean it's not yes earn. I don't think you earn. You know, got gifting bidder given. In fact, Daniel Calandra, preaching in in the conference actually one night he didn't bring a full message you sent a file to do this, he reminded us from acts one and in Luke 2449 that it's the. The promise of the of the spirit. The promise of the father, not the reward of the father. So yes we reap what we sow in certain ways in our lives.
Yes God and trust more to people as we are more faithful to much is given much is required and for faithful Little who makes faith with much at all. That's true at the same time we have is gift we got anointed me to preach when God called me to do things with gift. Now I have to walk worthy of that.
Yes, I think we hardly Stephen. Blessings to you meant that the cost of to be pretty good to all right write back more calls level share the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown know something happened this past week.
This ever happened to be before I've done a lot of ministry and had the privilege of being in all kinds of meetings. But something happened. It never happened before today, but that the minute Michael Brown 866-34-TRUTH you have questions about discerning spirits and how to know what's from above and what's from below, and how to attest to how we do that 866-34-TRUTH looking to comment on Facebook Frank. It's too bad you never provide a transcript after the broadcast broadcast for the deaf and hard of hearing. Sarah would love to. If God provided budget for that and someone could do that that would be wonderful and awesome it would be our privilege to reach more people. Right now it's some possibility for us, but perhaps someone listening, watching slot I like to do that, even if it's one day a week writer or whatever that would be a blessing to too many. If you felt led to do that you had a family member that was deaf or hard of hearing and you understand the challenges of new people calling you can hear that. Maybe you can read my lips pretty well with the mustache hurts that but but you obviously don't get to hear him do an interview you don't get to hear the callers and things like that so appreciate those listening were deaf and hard of hearing to take and what you can put someone out there says yacht.
I do that I like to volunteer my services. Great wonderful is someone else like what would it cost on support that great. That's go all right before go back to the phones so I spoke Saturday at the light the fire again conference in Pensacola and the scene was for my new book Jezebels war with America.
If you haven't got your copy adjustable's worth America.com is the place to go to find out where to order easiest ways to do it and if you've got the book been blessed by please post a review on Amazon if you didn't buy it on Amazon. Please post review there because it's the most viewed website with books and it's a great way to tell people hail was blessed by the books of amazon.com. Of course you can order there, but if I preached I was asked the conference what I do a book signing. One day in and to me it's an honor to do it to me when I get a book from a colleague and they signed it to me and especially math 20 years later, it has meaning and so if it can be a blessing if it means something in its can enhance the value of that book to you and maybe even make it more likely for you to read. I consider it an honor to sign unofficially on the man I consider it an honor to sign the book so we we went out left others to pray for those that responded to the altar call and walked around the convention center and sat down to sign books and there was a long line waiting you have to understand as an officer is very humbling.
I see that I see all goddesses. This is sacred to me that the people have this much interest in something I've written. And I'm doing my best to honor the Lord and be right and true and what I'm writing and speaking and I and I know that I know that I know if the read the book will impact them. I know it so it's it's humbling to see that.
But I said to sign books & books literally not not an exaggerated number not of Anne's elastic but literally sign books for two and half hours to half hours. That meant it was during right through lunch break. There's a two hour lunch break now into the next meeting, which means the lights going down to just be convention center. The worship team is coming out. It's the music loud is filling the convention center and cease like on a 9000 people and is now dark. So what you can't.
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I was literally having people write it on on the white tablecloth on the table. Just write it so I can see on the paper there and then I had someone next to me holding up a microphone with the with flashlight so I could see what I was siding so literally. That's how it was done, but what a privilege and joy and what excites me is a lot of people got a book that I know I was stirred to write and I'm I really know is the reason to be impact this member. If you have the book you been blessed by please take a minute share it. Tell a friend post a picture of you with the book on social media at post review on Amazon. Let others know that's why rights of people get the message and be blessed, edify, help, 866342 let us go to Jerry Kia in Texas.
Hey buddy, it's good to have an unusual name because I can always welcome you back this from not too many of you kind of is going to speak and write the phone yeah on their way to verify that I hated good things. They have a quick question about basically the condition of the spirit. So basically and Titus one line. It is that weird thing refute every right and yet ministers and pastors were teaching and using the leadership in it.
They came into apologetic and upbeat things like only scared the convict and I think that's one of the requirement being an elder. So will will will you fade. I would say that there are many people functioning as elders who are not pros or pastors or other public ministries, evangelistic ministries and things who are not properly grounded in the word. Now apologetics. This is not necessarily time is being grounded in the word.
In other words apologetics is defense of the faith in first Peter 315 tells us that that we should be ready to have an answer for everyone. Right when you have a defense, but that doesn't necessarily mean scientific apologetics are Islamic apologetics apologetics dealing with the Odyssey and the problem of suffering and things like that. It simply means that you can give an answer for what you believe and to me the key thing is not initially grounded in apologetics of all that's wonderful. That's part of the person's calling and ever increasingly necessary but grounded in the Scriptures.
Having an understanding of the word of God and being apt to teach the word of God so they must know fundamental doctrines. They must know how to handle Scripture and the does mean after no Hebrew or Greek does mean after seven.
I never went to seminary or Bible college and went to secular universities, etc. but that's the key thing or are they grounded in the word or are they able to teach sound fundamental doctrine of the able to to make disciples through the work, those would be the requirements and other things that might be excellent are not necessarily part of their calling certain not required by God to be an elder. Now if you're going to do certain type of ministry at and you don't you let see you doing college out college campus outreach and you know anything about apologetics. You probably need to learn some stuff you know are you doing Muslim outreach and you never never dealt with most apologetic seem to learn that just be pastoring leading serving in different ways, sound doctrine, grounded in the word apt to teach along with the other moral requirements that would satisfy that I like Brent and quite good when you basically like making me think that it only comfort we had at their and the light you will the gift of the spirit versus being able to apologetically you Are god it got it okay and forgive me if if I answered the wrong question that you were asking something different.
Okay, this is nothing to do with discerning of spirits, discerning spirits is is that the demonic spirit of the Holy Spirit, etc. discerning the snow discerning spirits of this is Dr. this is doctrinal error. The word of God refutes that the word of God refutes it so that is someone who is teaching an error now. The person may be called by God and anointed by God to say, serve as a pastor, but they have this area of doctrinal error and with the need to do is read my hyper grace, book, or better yet just get to the word even more and and look at the Greek word for convict. In John 16, eight and look at how to use for the rest of the New Testament for the Revelation 322 in context of Revelation 319, but said that in short, we don't need discerning spirits are were not discerning whether a person is anointed to be a pastor and may be qualified in a thousand of the weights that's an area of doctrinal error and we need to be able to refute that we need to be able to show them scripturally. I heard apologetically.
I'm sorry I read more it's within your asking. We need to be able to show the Riviera is and show others scripturally where the error is as as well. And then if the person teaching more and more and more error than their disqualified from being a leader. So why go to a thinker like I know God at a minister not like that and what I learned that the correction object lesson a lot of pond when I was doctrinally in error by you and your mentoring. I've been pretty clear over the years. More than once. Yes or no innocent leader will not be correction but so here's what this review number one if it's the pastor of your own church and are called to correct the leader.
Your call to respectfully ask that leader to examine what there with your teaching and you respectfully asked them to read my book hyper grace that deals with this look at certain Scriptures. If they refuse to then use Erica's not the placement it's a significant error that the Holy Spirit doesn't convict us of sin all go somewhere else. As I recall, you want to. Someone teach on television. So your calling will correct them. Let God give your own TV station around network to speak. If that's the case otherwise your own circle of influence. You can correct that I am you can write to the ministry and maybe the letter will get to that person able to read it maybe don't have an awakening in their own hearts and lives, but otherwise your own circle. You can talk to friends and they can see I was watching so-and-so on TV the other day, or the system on radio and there was in the Holy Spirit doesn't convict to sin anymore what to make of that usage gets real serious error but slicker with the word system within your circle, you can bring correction right but an elder you don't correct the elder you appeal US other elders to address the issue and if not, it's a serious issue than you respectfully leave the church and of some symbolic beliefs about this different with some of the past was teaching you try to spark a division and you lead a mass exodus to dishonesty set a different with what was being taught feels important that the step away from that and that's a healthy way to do it all right thank you for the question and I answered extra health that's relevant to someone else as well. 866-34-TRUTH, Oscar Sherry in Utah. Welcome to the line of fire. How are you doing great. Thank you. I think one. I grab dinner and a church that way.
Why didn't grow up in it.
But when I went to church it with Ali non-Kennecott with Ali in a very calm and today that kind of thing and it just seems like lately when I'm in church my couple years. I get it. We being and it it's been it's been beautiful because generally surrounding the cry whenever talking about gated what he did on the cry until I felt like I feel I can dictate just like the spirit with anything. Jesus is celebrating his parents during their stare at this juncture to self-control. You should be weepy. She's weeping about the cross. Jesus and the love of God. I say God probably said how come everybody else is not.
We it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown and voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 86643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown back to the line of fire. Each will minds and jam today.
If this is a conversation that you want to continue this week maybe first half of the broadcast tomorrow or Wednesday if this really of interest to continue what will see with phone calls and responses been a very open to continue the conversation. If it's helpful in one go to the Scriptures again in a moment, but a back to Sherry in Utah so Sherry is your weeping. It's not like you got overtaken by some outside force that controls your will and forces you to weep as much as this is your response went when the beauty of Jesus and the cross hits you that all you can do is weep is is either inaccurate waves that which is very sacred that beautiful thing and I and I and I don't I don't have it on the current minute.
Generally, like I said when when working worshiping and his work on the cry that I may one thing and in Pentecostal churches and it made me uncomfortable. Not how you why because I feel like I'm standing there in worship, weeping.
I feel like I need to be very careful not in any way. The worst father or are in any way draw any attention to myself because I always try to remember in Oregon instead like I must decrease in human yeah like got it. We don't we don't want to take anything away from like if somebody preaching or if the spirit is moving during the sermon, then God forbid that I would take any right ran attention away from that evening and I think I'm current when I've been in the service. It just in. I just feel like the person is perhaps then I know in our heart. Of course I'm wondering are they one and found our data as it is a great question. So first thing is it's great since the part you have in respect for others, that's one thing. Second thing, what may be normal in a Pentecostal service for bunch of people you're there different allegation seems abnormal to you, so it's like totally normal for them and those distracted by this distracting for this one possibility. Another possibility is people are out of order. That's the possibility or someone wants to draw attention to themselves or cover uses and I've been in meetings where a member Leonard Ravenhill meeting in California with over 4000 people, and as he was preaching city Manaus God speaking to you don't need to cry out to God repented he could finish the message because all over the building. People started falling on their faces and running to the altar and screaming and crying out in weeping and heat, he couldn't do anything because of hash and in other meetings have been at just I was teaching a class and we were to my pro-life issues. One of the students discovers Dr. Burkett. We prior to the next thing. Solving the started to sob and then the whole class everybody sobbing and weeping and it it was one the more sacred things that happen in his last year just that Etta time together with students so yeah if something is distracting disruptive what went in Brown's revival.
If we saw someone drawing attention to the cells and usher would just come over to stay, get a grip on yourself.
If you wouldn't they be taken out as we don't want to draw attention to ourselves. But sometimes the Holy Spirit's presence is to deepen the conviction so deep.
All we can do is cry out that triggers many others crying out repentance breaks from it but thank you it's it's a great question so this quickly.
John five John five that Jesus heals a management cripple 38 years is on the Sabbath, so he doesn't attach them separately could done in any other day they tell cement pick up your mat. The religious leaders, the Jewish religious leaders see it and and they say who who do talk to carry Matt right, Jesus says, pick up your mat and walk at and what happens the rights of the Jewish leaders and Judeo leaders were sent to the Manor seal at Shabbat at Sabbath supplement.
If you carry your mat is that while rather than saying is Americo even cripple the praise God bye-bye the Legion care that met because it was a violation of rabbinic tradition about carrying on the Sabbath based on Jeremiah the 17th chapter and an prohibition of carrying loads of Sabbath circuits extended to basically carrying etc. in their thefts, etc. three or four times in the program to today's it's too many etc.'s art, etc. so they they don't see the miracle they see a violation of their condition. That's what concerns me with hyper criticism and by the way, this note there's been no hyper criticism' zero Nono 00 Massena, but I've seen people reject with the Holy Spirit doing is different than their expectation or violates their tradition. That's a problem that's a problem right and that's we have to be careful about doing that might hurt well is your church exactly according to Scripture everywhere. And N.
Are you sure that your December 2 look, I've been in meetings were two people, godly people, discern the exact opposite.
What you make of that I could. I bet I could find every major church in America and give you and hear great testimonies and hear stories from people left and said it's a horror and their how do you evaluate not by the stories of one or two but by evaluating things in terms of which preached and taught by the word and then the character of the people who been allegedly touched. What's in it an overall matter you look at if you had 100,000 people in your meetings in the last 10 years and and 90,000 have been wonderfully touched in 5000.
Nothing really happening 5000 are disgruntled you say praise gaga was arms moving and people are disgruntled as her own flesh or two things were done perfectly, say, praise God is good fruit that tree doesn't produce good fruit, like that of summer fruit of disciples freedom, Jesus loving word based people loving holy living disciples. The devil will produce that in the flesh can't produce that simple biblical principles of let's go to Janice in Durham, North Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire hello are you there Janice are you there facilitates underwear turn your radio down yes go ahead please go ahead. Yes, please hello can you hear me go ahead and speak. I can hear you. Okay I yet Dr. Brown yes okay okay yeah yes I am. I usually write about show MRI show with shutdown quickly, abruptly, unexpectedly, and on the way home I turned the Truth Network on and I heard you talk about out bound to worship and in the comp Pentecostal game. Think by now the epochal evening and called out my gosh I okay need big revival. I have family that attended that specific revival and they came back and mean you think on it. Hate and outfront there's been stuff in my life at that time and alone in my bedroom. I listen to that hate completely positively alone and I will be shipping God, and I was grateful because I had God deliver my family on something that and legitimate and grateful that I was worshiping God and and I think basement out little girl, but this is different and he actually felt my head to my care with a very strong presence of the Holy Spirit.
It was made beautifully.
Never had my life.
I never forgotten it that Satan has done quite a bit of my life to try to try to make that memory more more down it in, and more and more unit not as meaningful as they act you yeah and that I get 21st of all I want to thank you because I have listened to you many time and I want to thank you for taking the time to think about what it what it true not like the Pentecostal charismatic movement. It would doctrinal stuff that was taught from them to me when I was younger. At one point that with false doctrine and then later in life I learned the truth. They learned the truth yeah and yeah my heart. You and Janice. You can have that everywhere we see the Baptists the Pentecostals the Presbyterians, the Methodists, you can have people been teaching false doctrine, but will be majoring on the majors.
That's the big thing we majoring on the majors or people coming to the Lord, remaking disciples, and you know the experience that that you have experience that you had being overwhelmed by it because presence is filled full this holy present Fred to tell it when I was first on in Brownsville and Pensacola). With this little neighborhood in Pensacola and when I was there the first week. I remember driving from where they put me up friends put me up thing a condom on the beach and driving from there to the meetings each day that I was listening to the worship and I would get so overcome with God's presence. I was weeping in the car just overwhelmed by God's loving goodness and joy and I was so overwhelmed that it you know I had to use like with the windshield wipers like Ottawa Avenue.
I get to get rid of all the tears because I was so overwhelmed and a lot of it was overwhelmed by by joy by holy presence and end by the love of the Lord.
So amen and and look this is this is our issue. This is our issue and thank you for the call and apologize obviously never get to to every call but we we do our best and and if you really want to talk about these issues about the things of the spirit in testing the spirits and how to evaluate by all means let's continue the discussion. If there's interest on all take calls on this tomorrow as well.
Perhaps even the next day also got an important interview with Dr. Richard land of second half of the hour of tomorrow's broadcast. You don't want to miss, but quick note was just pointed out to me for those hard of hearing or deaf, if instead of watching on Facebook you watch on YouTube. You can click to get live captions on YouTube. This way you can view it on YouTube.
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