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Were tackling a wide range of questions today or you love it time for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH.
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Jim is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us on the line of fire Michael Brown here is Friday which the questions we got answers. But as we do periodically for schedule reasons or to give opportunity to folks other platforms will be taking calls today. All I know the corporate side will be taking calls today, but come on, let's be fair. You know on lots of other days on days are Friday we open up the phones for your questions of every kinds we do our best to make up for it. But today I posted a few questions on twitter for responsiveness a few days ago, so don't post now but I'm going to be responding to some questions some challenges there posted on Twitter so I asked this question, I said I'm gonna devote some airtime to answering areas of disagreement you have with my biblical theology cultural political poster questions and concerns your nonanswers music and probably next Friday show which is of course today so I got a few people that posted some questions or concerns. So, not necessarily disagreement with me some disagreement but I'm gonna respond to them here and I think again as always you find it helpful in lightning fill assess my pastors believe Christians can be possessed and the deliverance I disagree due to how can the Holy Spirit dwell with evil spirits. What should I do okay.
I would say first I would want to say exactly what they teach and believe.
For example, I have no problem with the idea of Christians needing deliverance if they've open the door to the enemy in Jesus we are free in Jesus we are overcome his in Jesus we have died to sin and live to God. In Jesus we have authority over all the power of Satan. That's all true.
It's also true that we can become bound and enslaved.
Even as believers, let me just ask you a question in the natural. Is it possible for Christian born-again spirit indwelt follower of Jesus, is it possible for that person to have a physical addiction. Is it possible for them to have a drug addiction and alcohol addiction.
This would be obviously yes. Is it possible for them to have some other type of addiction, like pornography, which is physical as well but but is one that affects you different. This would be yes. Is it possible for that person to get bound up say have what we call a soul tie was someone they're not married to.
Maybe their married person and they have this emotional involvement was on their married to them becomes lustful as well and it had physical contact with their dog pound is possible. Yeah. So in the same way. It's possible for Christian to open themselves up to the enemy and they become enslaved to fear to lies to panic to depression to other things that do not have a physiological explanation other words, it's not something that there is a disordered and in the chemicals in the brain or something like that or some brain trauma and it's causing this know it's it's actually something spiritual it's going on that has the bound and they need to be set free. Now, in theory, if they take all the truths of Scripture and who they are in the Lord, they can simply say no to those things in Jesus name.
Find freedom, but often people find themselves so bound, so enslaved that let the enemy insofar as they going so far the wrong direction as believers that they need to be set free so if this is what your pastors are teaching and just the semantics are little different. I would get overly concerned with what about the idea of demons dwelling where the Holy Spirit was not here once again let me ask you like to bet a question, but according to Paul in first Corinthians 3, the church, the body of believers. We are the corporate temple of the Lord, agreed individually, our bodies physical bodies are the temple for prescription sex, but corporately, first with history of reasons to first Peter two. We are corporately the body of the Messiah and we are corporately the temple of the Lord so the Holy Spirit corporately indwells the church. Are there things happening within the body that are demonic that are ugly, that are satanic and the answer is yes, anyone you gather in a church service. Are there people that could be demonized.
Don't know the Lord follow the devil sitting there right next to you.
Okay, that's a building right but but what about in the corporate body. What about if some believers are living in sin and living in disobedience are they opening the door to the to the devil Jesus asked the first Corinthian six we take your body and joints of a prostitute. If you're wanting spirit with the Lord.
So even in that sense, they can be demonic activity side-by-side with the Holy Spirit deceptive work right. Satan Cummings, a deceiver. Counterfeit miracles covered prophecies that can be happening so in terms of the inner sanctum of our spiritual being with the Holy Spirit dwells. Can demons dwell there as well. Not to my knowledge, not to my understanding, the answer is no. So I would say in that regard.
A true Christian cannot be demon possessed, but rather demon. Oprah spent others rescind that you're making semantic divisions of the Bible doesn't make because the Bible just talks about being demonized and demonization can have different levels.
It can be totally can be partial, so using that terminology can a Christian be totally demonized. Honestly, not if they were they would belong to Lord the Holy Spirit would be dwelling in a can be partially demonized. Can they give certain areas of their life over the satanic influence activity there answer BSO I would find out exactly what they believe and if it's something closer to what I'm saying is not not a reason for concern.
If it is a major teaching point to major doctrine and every week there trying to get Christians delivered from demons and you come in every week you get a yummy look for forgive the terminology but the old barf bag saying that yeah I mean you bring a brown bag to church with you and could you vomit out demon their churches exit practice stuff like that I get out of there in a hurry. I get out of there quickly, but otherwise if it's more a matter of semantics and the potential the possibility that a Christian could be demonized, then that wouldn't be that big an issue for me. If all the other practices in teaching were sound right. David, I don't agree that Catholics can have salvation, especially because they go back into an institution that practices idolatry and worse. Is there a Catholic no salvation leave the Catholic Church. We didn't have salvation does a dog return to its vomit.
David that the church in which I came to faith with pretty much seeing things the same way Italian Pentecostal list all the people in that church are the older ones. The family members all came out of Catholicism and many of the women were more devout than their husbands and and they had collections of statues to the saints that were very very precious to them and when they got saved, they they destroy the to come in their backyard. They smash them. They destroyed them and that was very important for them to do.
And if we knew some of it was Catholic and claim to be saved.
We we deeply questioned my position would be this. There are things within Catholicism that are absolutely false and dangerous doctrines.
The veneration of Mary perhaps being the most serious along with that the nature of the celebration of masses of Jesus was suffering again and again there other things that I strongly differ with such as purgatory, but that would be lower on the list of of the biggest concerns the veneration of the saints of use of the pulp. Obviously these are things I categorically differ with a teaching that would open the door for salvation by works. I say open the door because you have different nuances of understanding. All that being said, I to the best of my knowledge, no Catholics who are true Christians who are saved in their still within the Catholic Church and Catholic charismatics that seem to be Bible based in their theology. In either they have a different view of the things I'm talking about, in which case you could say, well, they haven't really fully embrace the Orthodox Catholic view or they look at things differently set not I'm misinterpreting what Catholicism says, either way were not that far apart in the things that we leave so that to me would be someone being saved despite the teach of the Catholic Church as opposed because of what I said despite I mean the teachers of the Catholic Church that add to Scripture and go beyond what's written in Scripture, maybe a Catholic listeners that offend you.
I certainly apologize, but I don't mean to be offensive by simply means to be true if if I'm speaking truth and the truth offend you.
I don't apologize if I misunderstood you or misrepresented you. I apologize for that but if I spoke truth and the truth offend you.
I don't apologize that I have Catholic colleagues that I work with that. To my knowledge are committed Christians hold the authority of Scripture and salvation.
Only through the blood of Jesus and by grace and and worship Jesus alone is Lord over the reviews or of Mary or other things or not damnable differences and then of I know some folks that have say were born-again evangelicals and of converted to Catholicism and now they have entered the true church and now they're there posting veneration to Mary that deeply concerns me. To me they have gone away. The truth of the gospel. In doing so all right. Susan, I heard you start this question before. So are you old earth creationist or young earth creationist. We know or should know that this is a salvation issue. Someone answered thanks have answered Susan not skirting it based on Scripture. I'm not sure if if the earth is older the earth to jump so about science. I'm not a scientist and have young earth creationist on in a week or two to present some of his viewpoint. I've had many old earth creationists all over the years but that's only because they reached out to be more in hate that this book coming out of the subject want to have us on lately have young earth creationists on if they reached out more and they were credible leaders is as are the ones that have reached out to me so as I read Scripture I could make an argument either way. Okay, I could make a youngers argument. I could make an older's argument using Scripture alone. As to the scientific debate opposite the vast majority of scientists look at an old earth versus younger earth than I've had younger scientists like Johnson's are faulty on raising compelling arguments from their viewpoint and I don't have the scientific S.
Here is to Tia right just like I will have the scientific expertise to debate Richard Dawkins I debate on Scripture and grandma theology I debate about spiritual issues and moral issues, but debate on science is a joke when he sees a scientific scholar and and I know very little science I'll present my arguments by great arguments of the within seconds he'll demolish them and then I don't have a comeback know if if I was in.
I feel if I would if I was a John Lennox Follows William Ln., Craig revolves to Stephen Meyer if I was Jay Richards was one of those costs.
Dawkins would come with his argument boom I demolish him. Okay but I don't have the scientific knowledge to debate and evolutionist except for basic points. But then when they get the nitty-gritty I'd I don't have the ability to answer right the same way and am I comparing and evolutionist or young earth scientist, but younger scientists will raise various issues and I don't have the know-how scientifically to rebut that person to tell mother wrong so I stay in this area and in my place of expertise which is Scripture in understanding Scripture in particular deal with Old Testament Hebrew language and I could make an argument for youngers are also not skirting anything, skirting nothing. I just don't have a firm opinion either way and everyone that has listen to me watch me read me file you know I have all the controversial still have one out here will say this purpose. In Genesis 1. Jesus is God sent emphasis to teach us about God and his way to the right will be right back here on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us on the special Friday of the line for not taking your calls today, but I am answering questions that reposted a few days back on or twitter account that you will follow me on Twitter. It's real easy. It's DR like Dr. Michael L Brown but make sure you get the middle initials of the two elves in the middle, DR Michael L. Brown is you can follow me on Twitter if that's where you like to go in and interact Facebook follow us on Facebook that's Esther to Brent a SK your rent just like are you to channel a SK D or Brown or website route got thousands of free resources waiting for you in other classes you can take in and enroll in fire school of ministry are our full online school that's Esther to Brown.org a SK your brother when you go there, take a minute you asked Dr. Brown.org. Take a minute or less and you see free e-book plus weekly updates. Put your email address there. So if you don't get our weekly emails. What this means is normally every Monday. You'll hear from us with a special announcement to be a testimony to be a new book release great resource off, we put together on Wednesday will send you all the new videos we put up over the last week I me my daily readership at special videos. Key topics are all of away and political issues.
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These were where I asked folks to post disagreements that they had with me or challenges or concerns. Rick, how can you keep from giving a strong warning against Bethel with the blatant endorsement of witchcraft in the form of books, like physics of heaven which I've sent you videos about numerous times with the popular Bethel businessmen sharply address there bring people into spiritual bondage.
Okay Rick with all respect we get hundreds of thousands of comments of requests of emails of posts of people will send me things take. Check out this video. It's three hours long so as much as we appreciate you sending us things if you want my personal response to each that you sent me and I put you in the order, which was sent, I would.
I would die before I got to answer. You know, some 64 now if I stopped and went through every request. Dr. Brown please look at this. Please review this. Would you please read this book, give your input would you please watch this video and give your thoughts which I wish I could do okay enough if I put you in the list of everyone that sent me something.
I took the time to watch it you have a look to be 100, and was in great shape at 100. I don't think I'd be able to get to what you sent yet, so please don't take it personally.
Just understand that we do our best to answer questions.
We actually have team members that that's their job. A PhD in New Testament PhD in Old Testament one fluent Greek one fluent Hebrew right and they assist me with questions that are sent into our website so were doing that were doing the radio show. I'm answering as many things as account social media, but please understand I can't response everything as for Bethel, giving a blatant endorsement of witchcraft.
I don't know of them doing that all I've interacted privately with Bill Johnson and Chris Valentin about areas of differences that we have as far as I know on the majors.
We agree on the basics of the gospel. We agree that we have other areas, either in practice or theology were we have some disagreement and I reached out to them privately in dialogue privately. I have not read the physics of heaven. I did buy it because some people were concerned about it. I bought it and and I started to go through but I barely touched it so I can't comment because I haven't seen what's in it yet but is it blatant witchcraft. To my knowledge, no.
Is it mainstream Bethel teaching. I don't know. I don't know. It's not that I'm unconcerned but where things have come to me, that raised concern.
For example, the statement that was made by the organization within Bethel that's helping people come out of homosexuality. There was the reserve social media post that had some real error in it or was reaching out to people in a way that really open the door to terror and run understanding. I immediately reached out to one of the pastors that I knew there you meet Lisa. This can be corrected. I have since been in direct contact with folks involved in that ministry. They assured me that a major statement will be made that will clarify that will be thoroughly biblical. So I'm waiting for that. I asked Bill Johnson to read select chapters in hyper grace and give me his feedback and he was step for step point for point with me in agreement on the points so that's what I know I've interacted with Chris Valentin at times about certain differences so so here's the deal. There certainly things within Bethel teaching practice that I differ with as far as the main message that's preach the gospel far as understand it's the Orthodox gospel message you say hang on way to second this is Bill Johnson teach that if you don't say it's always God's will to heal the sick. It's a false gospel stuff like that you might like. Just we should use the term false gospel anymore.
Then when when Bill says that it's always God's will to heal that that's false gospel and by the way, my understanding of healing is much closer to bills than to a secessionist eye much more with him in terms of the God's disposition is to heal, and that Jesus is the will of God in action. If you seen Jesus you seen the father and Jesus didn't go around making 60 making people sick.
You went around feeling that right as to the notion that Bill teaches that Jesus ceased to be God on earth.
I asked about that plane them a radio show. I look at statements that he made that allegedly said that I don't see him saying that if he did plenty confronted but in any case, if I have more time to get into physics of heaven, and I see some real issues with it. I'll contact the Bethel folks privately invoke a good response.
I'll address the public.
That's the best I can do all right so Rick, I'm not minimizing your concerns. I have differing with your idea that Bethel is doing a placement, a blatant endorsement of witchcraft right if your concerns are right. Trust me, trust me Rick. I will shouted from the rooftops. I will shouted from the rooftops.
All right, let's see here of John in Genesis 2335 1148 to Jacob Israel, etc. properly be a company called Hall of People's nations.
This is a show the true Israel visual of God was always defined by faith, not ethnicity, and so is the church okay great question number one, the Israel of God is only mentioned once and that's Galatians 616.
It clearly is not speaking of Gentiles that are the most natural grammatical reading of the Greek is that Paul is wishing peace and blessing to all who follow the rule of what he is laid out the Gentiles do not have to become Jews in order to be say they don't need to be circumcised and obey the law of Moses nor the be safe peace and versatile who follow this rule who recognize that circumcision in and of itself does you know spiritual good and of itself. It doesn't save you it doesn't damn you salvation. Damnation comes through accepting or rejecting Jesus the Messiah of Israel and then add that only peace and mercy follow this rule but also upon the Israel of God that the Greek hi the most natural reason there is I sees me as and rather than even so peace emotional follow-through gentle he was and is of God hate Noah was pulsing on the trashing. I'm not trashing Jewish believers on the trashing others who were Jewish believers and and who live Jewish lives in the summa trashing them right you say don't know he's referring to the Gentile Christians.
There is Israel God they just undid his whole letter he just undid the whole thing by saying that you don't need to make these distinctions in the Messiah. You don't need to Gentiles don't need to become Jews to see the vast majority of translations and interpreters understand Israel. God is not a term for the church as a holder. The Clay Celia the larger assembly of Messiah is Jew and Gentile in Jesus and what joins us as being in him. All right, so being a Jew, being a Gentile this and give you better, higher status, lower status, just like male-female are there male-female distinctions in the body.
Still, of course, there are Paul teaches mental teaches women topple teaches husband Paul teaches wives to go to your local congregation got men's rooms and women's rooms in the building in men's meetings and women's meetings because there male-female distinctions it in Jesus is no male-female was a mean this means distinctions goal weight means that there is no class distinction. The cast distinctions we explained many a time in the Messiah were one if the distinctions remained same with Jew and Gentile in the Messiah were one distinctions remain right that's part of our unity, namely our diversity, but in these text that you mention were Israel is going to be a company of of nations.
It's really talk about the 12 tribes and their expansion is talk about how these now become kingdoms of People's if you want to say will there's a spiritual application. A larger spiritual application that that is referring to Gentiles as well. Okay. Is the church that the take-up of God, the new Jacob sing out what there you have it, Jake. The this about Jacob/Israel okay and and when Paul speaks of all Israel being saved in Romans 11 it's in contradistinction to the fullness of the Gentiles and the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Redeemer coming for those who turn away from ungodliness in shakeup right so the church that Clay Celia is saved uses a Gentiles now, the same word can be used for the people of Israel is the sum of God in the Old Testament, but that also included then who Gentiles that were living among Israel under the law.
They become part of the nation was they were considered part of the car Hall part of that a Clay Celia.
Now the borders have expanded and that the vast majority believers are Gentile, so that since the Iglesia has expanded, but Israel remains Israel, Jewish people remain Jewish people. Let's just see here. I tell you what, there's one more going to get to in this category and then go over to another category on twitter I asked folks for their toughest apologetics questions, things they run into challenges to the faith, hate, are you standing with us on patriot on are you one of our supports our goal for 4000 patron supporters were somewhere around 190 now, but if you haven't stood with us just pennies a day. What what an opportunity be a blessing to us and allow us to be a blessing to many many others to get to bonus videos $10 more per month is different patriotic.com/ask your patriarch.com/ask Dr. Brentwood] the light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks for joining us on the special Friday edition of the questions we or you pick up the phone to call.
I solicited questions under number of categories on twitter for today's broadcast already did this, I solicited the questions the end of last week and now answering them this week, so don't post now this one of those days we are doing this for scheduling purposes and to allow folks that can call in to raise some objections or post questions so I think you'll find the ones we covered today.
Really interesting. I first asked for areas of disagreement and only had a few people that wrote they are but I want to take a moment and respond to those and then as folks for their toughest apologetics question so what I want to go over to those next right and true. How about how you can approve a false teacher and clearly disqualified men for ministry like Todd Bentley Kubiak discerning if you think a person was drunk and having an affair is qualified for ministry. But no, you will not address it as it could hurt your platform of Angela's ally now. I did my best to address you on twitter as opposed to publicly in this way, I did my best to say post. This lets was go back and forth with the dolly about privately, but when you refuse to retract this and kept accusing me of avoiding it challenge my integrity and said okay your skirt for seven okay so in answer to your very explicit request, I will not start this letter you asked for. You got it is light about me on twitter. You bore force false witness right as a fellow believer. That's a sent so that really concerns me with folks are so free to do this so here's the deal are not aware I'm overseeing a panel that is been charged by other leaders of the leaders of come to me right and said there's a flurry of allegations. Dozens and dozens and dozens of allegations new allegations against Todd Bentley and they need to be investigated. There needs to be accountability would you lead a panel to investigate that. Would you be part of the panelists I can't be part of the panel because I have a ready come out against Todd Bentley's ministry for many years, so it's not right for me out to be on the panel because I'm ready prejudiced.
In that regard. This will what could you lead a panel could be in these are some of like for example supportive. Todd said Dr. Brown, might you be a perfect one because you set the bar high because you you have issues with his ministry in the past and and she'd be the right one to oversee it was going to accuse you that what I get you through everything was can secure your your biased towards them because you've opposed his ministry since he divorced his wife remarried and said it's not valid and should be administered so I can oversee a panel I can guarantee that I'll operate ethically. I can guarantee that I'll call people to investigate facts and look at information so we we put together a panel of five highly esteemed, nationally recognized leaders.
Some of international ministries out we hired investigator with over 20 years of police experience in some very job-related specific and investigative background in his life he spent countless hours, weeks, meeting with people asking questions, trying to get to the bottom of things right so everything to be done righteously. He's just as a few last things to wrap up and then things will be submitted to the panel for the response but I am not on the panel because I have a ready-made public statement so the moment it was announced that Todd had left his wife and had remarried in in over 10 years ago we made a public statement to our entire church community and I met with Rick Joyner, wrote to him explain plainly why I differed with that said that's number one in my book, authentic fire, which is my response to John MacArthur strange fire. I noted explicitly that I had journaled during the Lakeland outpouring that this was a disaster waiting to happen.
I expressed plainly, they are my differences. When Todd was publicly we call it saline coronation night and in a sarcastic way of II publicly wrote about that ends and spoke of biplane differences there are right and then when all of this surfaced.
I explained that the reason I wasn't making a new statement about the allegations was because I depose the ministry for 10 years so the fact Andrew that you may not be aware of this. I am I supposed to email each person in the world privately and sleep.
I want to make sure you heard statements that I've made okay but invoke whatever been asked about on the radio for years.
For years by critics, even calling a big public plane statements so it just troubles me when someone who needs a ministry or is a spokesperson for discernment work whatever it is that they so freely post falsehoods that's unethical and in them in a responsive, that's false, do not support the ministry.
I did not support the ministry and and then my integrity is challenge see that this upset me from me, I'm fine. I'm here, I'm talking to everybody. It upsets me for division in the body it upsets me because people are sniping at each other as opposed to coming together for the common good that you say will Brown I differ with you because your charismatic great.
Let's discuss that.
Give me a call. We had we had secessionist call and days were people call and give their best arguments, whether believe the gifts sign gifts for today.
Great, let's have that discussion. I disagree with you because you stand with the monastery was great, let's have that discussion. Fair enough.
No problem.
Let's do it. I think you're wrong about age there.
I think you need to be dogmatic, one way or that great. Fine, let's have that discussion. Dr. Brown I think you're wrong, I believe there is a pretrip rapture but I think you're wrong and expect a millennial kingdom, or find wonderful. Let's have that discussion Mike, I think you're off on Calvinism. You need to embrace communism is what Scripture says oh great, let's have had to scout perfect differ with me on a thousand different points. That's perfectly fine, but don't openly post falsehoods and then when you're corrected stand by them standby them stand by them. That's what troubles me and that's why I'm on those gentlemen law, but that's whether some critics just don't deal with anymore. Again, don't know this man person here all their croissant simply don't deal with a reach out to privately have my phone number supposed to talk by phone doesn't have were supposed to talk my email doesn't happen. I've offered them dialogue, discussion is there was one guy you back out of the baiting bell when he was publicly dishonest to retract. Things are not my current debate you now I do that I can dignify you if if you publicly post falsehoods and then I correct you privately and ask you to correct them and you refuse to do it and you blast me falsely without even reaching out. You have my personal contact info not can give a platform to someone that unethical now. If it was a rank unbeliever that was known for her for being diabolical and deceptive and I have the opportunity to publicly expose them, so I knew who I'm dealing with. Everyone understands what's going on here you know may be it. Some God marking hostile Satanists ACS, but some are less long-standing than on a big following in their posting lies about me day and night by publicly debate them to expose them might do that.
If someone is claiming to be a brother or sister is acting unethically know won't give them the platform with the time did act ethically, then we'll talk soon friends I've taken time on this because the issue of bearing false witness is of great concern to me is one of the 10 Commandments and when people just entrench themselves more deeply rather than humble themselves to hate my bet.
Let me say this. I've blown it. I've made mistakes. I've said and done things I shouldn't of humbled myself. I've gone to people I receive forgiveness from them and from God and we go on and and all is well and all the time people do that to me they sin against me. They say something that misrepresents something they come with an apology they get it instantly and I now become closer with them through that and I now respect the more because their humility in point of fact, there are things that have happened that I totally I completely totally forgot they ever happen, no saying cannot forgive from the heart site also fits for you to tattooed with years ago.
Whatever forgiven that the story I try forgive the Lord forgives, but the lack of integrity and humility that that concern is quite let's sum let's go to another set of questions here and let's see okay as for some Jewish related questions and let's see Troy to modern Jews still look for the return of the lodges in Malachi 45 do they think will come before the Messiah. Some Christians also believe Lodge will return as one of the two witnesses. Yes, traditional Jews do believe in the literal coming of the law of Elijah and that he will set of he will clarify legal questions. What's unclear what's clean and and who's really descended from this and who's not no legitimate things like that yet. I think he will come as a forerunner of the Messiah. And when you have a Passover Seder the Passover meal. You always leave a chair open symbolically for Elijah yeah a for his spiritual presence but leave it open symbolically from so yes, traditional Jews do expect a a a literal Elijah to come before the Messiah. Ezra, the Talmud has an explanation for the greater glory of the rebuilt Temple regarding Haggai 29 but is there an explanation of the second part of the prophecy in this place I will grant peace to my knowledge, Sir.
The Talmudic passage that deals with this does not deal with that part that that the question is how can the glory of the second Temple be greater than the glory of the first Temple so it's an duration of its size and you know that's what's being discussed is it obvious was greater glory in terms of the presence of God unless of course the Messiah came with the presence of God set the spirit to the very place that would be the answer, but as I just reviewed it earlier. I do not see any reference to this place grant peace.
How is explained in some of the rabbinic commentaries will a rug Doc Rabbi David Kimsey. His answer is that even though there were many wars during the summer second Temple. That's recent long stretches of times there was peace in the land. That's the explanation. Jeff has a couple wire Psalm 22 Isaiah 53, etc. considered forbidden chapter skipped over reading will not do not considered forbidden chapter Psalm 22 is not considered forbidden chapter is a 53 is not considered forbidden chapter. However however in the weekly synagogue readings which are selective. Isaiah 53 is skipped so if it's not part of the weekly synagogue readings. It's not part of daily prayers and their traditional Jews who pray through the Psalms regularly.
Some even prayed entire book of Psalms every day can imagine.
It also Psalm 22 is part of that, but as to other words of Scripture. Traditional Jude is not read through the Bible where Christian does the read through the five books of Moses, select other passages they pray.
Many other passages in daily prayer and then and then there are extra readings in the synagogues and high holy days and things like that. Isaiah 53 is skipped. Is it skipped because of the Christian interpretation of Psalms say yes say no dismissing extra synagogue is many traditional part of the Bible with all the commentaries on this. Not considered to be it. That's all. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution.
Here again is Dr. Michael Brown, I am responding to questions that I solicited Michael Brown delighted to be with you, but not taking your calls it one more question from Jeff to the Orthodox ultralights really believe that the oral traditions, etc. more important and are above the Bible the word of God, no and yes, by no, I mean that there is a distinction in rabbinic thinking between the the law as written and oral tradition. You have what's called a bead all right tie me to Robin on that which is from the written law and that which is from the rabbis right and if you ask with which is the holiest of all. Example traditional Jew very very Orthodox to if they came in a room and you had no rabbinic books. He said you know of a functional tolerance 2020 volumes is no reprinted magenta volume from the tome right and then you had on top of the newspaper and comic book.
They look great big long shuffle that move those weighted of the. The Talmud, there are if you had if you had some modern Jewish author on top of the Talmud know that they would switch it right because you you want to put that which is to consider the holiest on top in the pile things on top of it. If you're very very traditional okay what the Bible would be on top of the Talmud right the Bible would be on top of the tome. So in that sense there is a distinction however the reason I say no and yes Reese for the distinction is the view would be that God did give an oral order. Moses on Mount Sinai which is just as binding is what is written in fact is the explanation, interpretation and expansion of what is written and that without the words of the sages you cannot understand the words of the Scripture. So even though on the one hand, the final, the ultimate authority is what is written and everything is subservient to that. We are also told that something equally authoritative is been passed down orally and that even the rabbinic developments. Without that you could not understand Scripture. So in that sense, it takes on a greater role because we are told that, for example, the death penalty on the Sabbath don't work on the Sabbath that the that the written Torah never tells us what work is. We need the Talmud rabbinic tradition to tell us what work is an and therefore without that you won't know God's heart God's mind God's plan. Even though it's written is the highest authority, interpretation, explanation of what's written is considered to be the essential key to understanding it and spy no and yes answer were really get the depth on it. Good volume 5 a by series answering Jewish objections to Jesus. Volume 5 answering Jewish objections to Jesus.
It's now available in August. By the way as well to get the print edition e-book or you can get it digitally on Lagos so answering Jewish objections to teach us find five Daniel this probably is the question for the show but is there a book on answering Christian objections to Israel.
Jewish people and the turnoff actually. I'm hoping one day to write a book on answering Christian objections to Israel.
I'm hoping to do that. So those that consider Christian Zionism to be an oxymoron. And those who don't believe the modern state of Israel should be supported by Christians or is connected to Bible prophecy and things like that.
Now my book.
Her hands are stained with blood. The new addition discount September is vastly important in terms of some of the theological issues and some church history, that's very important and some Christian objections to Tanakh.
Yes, absolutely.
I did, I did address that in hyper grace. I have a couple chapters in hyper grace dealing with Christian rejection of the Old Testament so find information they are so hyper grace.
Hence, they would love those books will be helpful to you. Tom, who was the first messianic Jew, Paul, Peter, all 11 disciples went missing a Jews care so much is about your Judaism not asking a question, assuming they should care about the Jews and just generally curious. Seems like Paul really felt betrayed by his upbringing repented holy from his legalistic pharisaical hardhearted Judaism Art a few things first messianic future. All the first believers were messianic Jews. There were Jews who believed in Jesus all the first followers of Yeshua were messianic Jews. Jews who believe the Messiah may never stop being Jewish. Paul still referred to himself as the seed of of of Israel know Israel of Israelites and see the Benjamin button boast about that one point is likely boasted about his lineage.
He boasted about his heritage, as if that made him something special. Note now.
He renounced all such claims to being special because that are being righteous by his observance of the law and said instead. No, I renounced all that and farmer righteousness alone.
The righteousness of the Messiah in a changed life through him.
At the same time. When he stood before the Sanhedrin the next 23 Saddam a Pharisee visits. I lived but he said he still lived this Jewish man is still Certain Jewish traditions, but is his source of righteousness is source of spiritual identity was different server messianic Jew they're just following the footsteps of Christians Jewish followers of Jesus who lived like this for centuries and and was just reading some scholarship and Wetherington John Gauger different ones who talked about how Jewish through the face was an and even John Chrysostom was in 386 preached his infamous eight sermons against the Jews. Many scholars believe the main reason was doing that was because there were Christians who founded the biblical calendar beautiful and wonderful and who honored the Jewish believers in Jesus who who still That is where here at simple question for you. Where does the New Testament say Sundays become Sabbath doesn't where is the New Testament tell a Jewish believer. Don't observe the biblical holidays which find their fulfillment in the Messiah doesn't write so all messianic Jews are doing similar school back to biblical practices. That's all.
And telling our Jewish community can be doing believe in Jesus echoes the Jewish Messiah is the Jewish Messiah came for Jewish people first and for the rest of the world. Why should you stop being a Jew is if all Jesus. Should they stop following traditional Judaism and submitting to the authority of the rabbis, yes other certain customs and traditions that they find beautiful and valuable to one fall day traditional Jew.
It's your custom bus is a Sabbath to to bury a lover that dies within 24 hours. Very traumatic for intensity but travel from parcel to get there but that's the custom that's the tradition. Many find it to be preferable to say having a body lie in wait for days and funeral put offer weaker things like that. Is it wrong to do that now. What will it be wrong so that the issue is for many Jewish believers in Jesus to just say were still Jews, but we don't submit to the authority the rabbis and we differ with rabbinic rejection of Jesus. Personal Jews what why should we stop close quite explicit about that first Corinthians 7. Your call. Been called to salvation, circumcised, or become uncircumcised.
You called uncircumcised often circumcised, pretty simple. Let's see here. Okay there was more from Tom, so let me go to one other set of questions that I posted where is here we go. What are some of the topics objections to the faith that you encounter. And Eric posted bunch. So let me, let's see here. Okay, thanks for the kind words Eric about this one go all the way down towards the bottom of Eric's posts have is a community of God wrestle against power and principalities Ephesians 63 be concerned about such a thing. What should be we be concerned about. So my hobo Jezebels North America seeks to uncover and expose demonic activity.
Is this a principality so so if are looking hierarchical that that this is greater power in Satan's army, one with higher authority, one with demons under kids we say his is generically here under under his control.
Okay is is that the case of it.
So when I just am an individual demon restaurant. Satan, dammit someone in between. Right. So if Satan was the general just be a sergeant in the Navy demons a private practice. Put them in simple military terms for the crates.
I'm not trying to compare them in exact form.
Okay so my book Jezebels North America seeks to demonstrate how a coalition of demonic forces working together. A concerted way, just as they work through Queen Jezebel.
The Bible are at work in America today or there is a principality operating in this way, but it has these Jezebel attendances hugs from speak of the spirit just about the ghost of Queen Jezebel the same demonic forces with us and you might principality operated Jezebel of old operating today so we should be aware of these things, you may go into a new region and you're going to preach the gospel and people said that we we been sharing the gospel.
Your for years with no fruit, but we find out that mission has been coming here for 500 years with no fruit. Was there some principality there there some stronghold or there's something there that is resistant culturally and spiritually to the gospel in an extreme way.
So what you do, you give yourself all the mortar prayer and fasting. You give yourself all the more to seeking God for the fullness of the spirit you ask him to bring down every lie. Every stronghold that stands in the way and then you can engage in preaching the gospel and speaking the truth and thereby casting down imaginations and laws. If you look for example China powerfully impacted by the gospel with massive revival and outpouring and maybe 100 million Chinese Christians today. You look at Korea powerfully impacted start in the north and went to the South.
The last hundred or so years with with remarkable numbers of conversions and great impact in Japan and ends met their churches like 3040 people people praying and crying out very very little fruit. There's something there. It seems like some type of stronghold's where you do, you may take many many years, but through prayer, through fasting since seat seeking the face of God through through in in Jesus name, engaging in spiritual warfare post out preaching the gospel, speaking the truth. You believe that one day. Somehow this thing will that best exposes Chris how like that gospel is now Jezebels war right