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December 19, 2019 4:50 pm
You have an amazing discussion on messianic prophecy today with my special guest Dr. Michael Rideau make stage for the line of fire with your host activist all the international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your Jim is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us today on the line of fire. It is thoroughly Jewish Thursday and we are going to focus on the Messiah and messianic prophecy not focusing on the impeachment not focusing on everything swirling around that, but we are focusing on the preeminently important subject Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures your somebody call with any questions Jewish related of any kind, but in particular related to the Messiah related to messianic prophecy, 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH 87884.
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According to the Hebrew Scriptures you think the New Testament miss translates or misquotes versus or takes them out of context. By all means call with your questions.
Again, 866-348-7884 when I came to faith in 1971 December 17, March 3 grade transition point when I surrender to the Lord by his grace and set the report in the arm against every drug use or for couple years radically save the little Italian Pentecostal church. It was, not the messianic prophecies that led me to faith was an encounter with God was the Holy Spirit working in my life.
Conviction of sin and then encountering the love and goodness of God and transformation that took place out of that. I heard from my friends that there were some prophecies about Jesus in the Old Testament. I heard from my friends that were sharing the gospel with me themselves brand-new in the Lord that there was some verses that clearly spoke about his suffering and things but I know where they were was in familiar with them and then distribute into the New Testament you see references to these things and okay we have a fear we have here we have here and then I started to talk to rabbis in the Rabbi said no it's taken out of context, butchered or mistranslated is not reliable so early on I was challenged.
I mean, very early on before I could sort things out. The Hebrew before I had other resources to go to early on. Confronted with this, and there were big questions, serious questions, hard questions, talk to my pastor and that was not his line. In other words, this is not an area of his strength, his strength was more devotion to the Lord in meeting with the Lord in prayer and the word sharing the gospel with others and things like that and then when I started college member talking to folks from Jews for Jesus and even though there were some scholars that they have access to people like Raquel Friedland that new rabbinic literature well. Their emphasis was evangelism evangelism of evangelism and their literature was meant to reach out reach out reach out.
So when I came with my questions I and then a lot of people go to and then I discovered Christian scholars and great learning and knowing Hebrew well have a great understanding of the Old Testament and the New Testament, but didn't have a sensitivity to Jewish objections that have a sensitivity to Jewish objections to Jesus because of that the answers that they gave didn't really satisfy the question, in other words, if you're answering for a particular audience or looking through particular lands and someone's coming from a very very different perspective, it's very possible skews me three possible that that you rescan, passage of like ships in the night skews me and then when I began to find others that were scholars and more sensitive. Jesus you some were as conservative as I was, so they didn't take the text is literally so II had to literally without God's help and grace pull myself up for my own bootstraps. In other words, I had to dig how to learn. I had a study and ultimately wrote five volumes on answering Jewish objections to Jesus, which was the Lord's help a been a great blessing to many and set a certain standard but there has not been a comprehensive book by conservative believers sensitive to Jewish objections and with solid learning of the Hebrew and rabbinic literature one comprehensive volume that put everything together in terms of just messianic prophecy. One of my five finds line 3 tackles objections to messianic prophecy and we chat.
We spent a few hundred pages doing that, but there is so so much more to be done so I'm absolutely thrilled now that my colleague Dr. Michael Donnelly together with Dr. Edwin Bloom has put together a volume with dozens of top scholars called the Moody handbook of messianic prophecy. I'm holding it in my hands right now it is in total how many pages you over 1400 pages amazing articles great scholarship. Very readable. I am, I knew it was going to be important. When Michael asked me to contributed when the final volume came out it was far above my expectation. So if you have a question messianic prophecy related related to the Messiah described in the Hebrew Scriptures fulfillment in the New Testament. Any questions like that would be especially appropriate today because I bring on now to the air at last my good friend Michael Della KMan asked for joining us today. Yet skews me great to talk with you. When did you get the idea of putting this together. How did this arrive. It was this something in your heart for many many years to do this, you know, you interviewed me once about a book I wrote called the mechanical yet the Hebrew Bible really messianic in it and that I try to dictate that, though many evangelical scholars were abandoning the idea of direct messianic that it needed to be reconsidered and not rhetoric.
A score and I only gave one example of that book from the lawn, the pop and the writing at the end of the book after I make the case that we could review passages messianic liana at that time I thought what we really need is a book that's far more thorough goes through virtually every passage that you can think of messianic and so as result, the kind of thy mind, I thought about it with.
Publishers and then what happened was I was just finishing editing the Moody Bible commentary was won by a commentary on the whole Bible by the faculty of Moody and I mentioned to the publisher. Let about six years ago. It would be really great if we did a handbook on the our dictionary or something like that and he jumped all over.
I thought wow I was waiting to make a value now that that I would have to go, but the commentary that was done been returned or I turn my attention to Trent so so how long did this project take and how many people were involved in terms of the major contributors David E. Contributors think only over five years in the making and look their contracts were signed before I finished the commentary for started work on the minimum five years ago I started work on it. That's why your member I contacted you and asked you to write and you know then, of course you know how it is my some people just don't produce Newsweek. We have some really great people find out and then they just never turned anything in my couldn't get him to turn it in so that we have a go back and I had a right of article you had to write an article. I think I will write. I have your have a go back and and find other people to write to an undertaking little bit longer than we owe but the actual process was beginning to finish her recruiting and editing in writing and doing all that was about five years and really considering the scope of the project, and as many people as being involved that that's really not a lot of time, been involved in projects that have been sent that you you get everything in finish the deadlines that it's five years before the stuff that's out yeah exactly so so obviously this is to the glory of the Lord, you have to worry about sounding proud in this because we know that the ideas from the Lord, but what is unique about this. What makes this really a landmark volume in terms of biblical scholarship and the whole study of messianic prophecy, first of its kind.
What you don't really think about that. There have been major works at back of the chapter and you're not going over all the different big work there. We think of thanks to Gerd Ernst and convert multivolume Christology of the Old Testament and most of those are dated. That doesn't really deal with contemporary scholarship or literary analysis and sold wanted something that would stand the test of time that would be a resource for people for years to come out who want to be what the Bible says about the five Bible and so that I think what made it uniquely. We have really how I like that this week we have top notch scholars writing in it, but they all affirm strongly the authority the inspiration of the word of God and you know that so often thought what what will you do when you have people write yet, get scholarship, get believers to either Lawrence and I both ask both Van and be there. It's really compelling. I think it'll be a resort.
I think that's what I wanted to be and I agree with you but the Lord put on my heart. There's no doubt about it the more he even put on my wife's art. She was the one, whispering in my ear about this and everything and that resonated with me and it I really do believe this will be a resource for many many years for generation yeah there's no reason not you it's it's not like there's things that are dated well is just going with the latest scholarly trend and in those change like fashion changes exercises agree with Scripture that you did know what what the Scripture actually say how do we understand them at your I have to say the work you did agreement the current exit was I thought was just exceptional Passage really work through well I was. I was just so pleased that of course he wrote rabbinic literature 63 you gave me that the 3:53 PM what a blessing to blessing me so about that one did we did an annual I'm just a jump and we would get a break but that the neat thing is for Michael and I we been in constant interaction rabbis and others for years and years so that that sharpens your arguments are you to call 866348781 I want to get some perspective about the Messiah in the Psalms from my: intentional editing of the Psalms to link to him right back her and the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown yes Brown supposed to be with you, holding my hands.
The Moody handbook of messianic prophecy. Co-edited by micro delegates Prof. Drew studies in Bible, Moody Bible Institute and professor Edward Bluhm, Michael, you and another colleague Seth Postell were greatly influenced by the scholarship of John sale hammer and he and others have looked at the book of Psalms, not just specific verses, but the structuring of Psalms Seth has an article on that you you've looked at that as well. Can't can you explain this to our listeners and treasure the evidence that that the book of Psalms is structured in such a way as to point to the Messiah.
Yeah, you don't know that Dr. Vale, who Lord I want to make my favorite doctoral about the book dedicated to Dr. but the British scholar by the name of David E. Mitchell was written a book on the message of the Psalter, a remarkable book and also John Bruce walking what name everyone snow on the great Old Testament scholars ever motor a chapter in a book honoring Charles Feinberg called the canonical process approach to Psalms that sounds impressive, but very close to works influenced me as much of John influenced Seth as well.
Here's the idea that the book of Psalms should not be written like the old song put together the Jesus movement. We wrote a new song every week. Went to Bible study attached to the back of the no that's how often we think of the songs that they did, got stuck in there one after the other, but there is really a plan and a process and putting it, and also that this was done after the exile. David certainly wrote on his lifetime, but that the book was put together after the exile, the reason we know that if there's exilic, 37, no by the wars of Babylon. There we did lay down and wept. Psalm 126 when the Lord brought back the captive. Once design left after the exile, so as a result, we have to see it as a book put together after the exile with a plan and a purpose where there's words and themes that link one Psalms of the other so there's actually a flow of thought in the salt and that that is being most up-to-date approach to the book of Psalms right now in terms of scholarship.
What's so significant about that is there is this character through the Psalms that keeps being honored you the king of course there was no Davidic king after the exile. They were looking forward to the coming of the son of David, the messianic King in the future, and so as a result, when this book was put together with her singing the songs in honor of the king and looking for the messianic, and I think that's why Dietrich Bonhoeffer called the book of Psalms, the songbook for the prayer book of the Messiah, so it's a Psalm that may originally have been talking by King David in prayer for the king of the exultation of the king or were David praying for Solomon in Psalm 72 that now that this is part of the literature of Israel and its being recited and prayed and there in exile or its after exile and there's no Davidic king and there is no Davidic throne in their speaking of the king or they just looking back to the good old days or are they looking forward to the coming of the greater King. I think it talking about the coming of the greater King and I would go further. David anticipated that he was writing about future King.
I wrote a chapter in this book, and second Samuel 23 about the content of 23 and a second Samuel 23 there's a variant reading it. You know, I'm sure your listeners due to the rocky scholars right that that the Hebrew Bible didn't have any vowels when it was written. The vowels were added between 800,000 A.D. so very, very recent, relatively speaking, and in seconds and 23 there's a war there.
The board all in it either means high or it means concerning depending on the valve but it while the Septuagint read it with a different bow. The Greek translation of the ABC, then the Masoretic text recently and so I'm going to read this to you from second Samuel seven to start second Samuel 23 when David is writing his last words. The recording of his last words of this is what is best. The Oracle of David, the son of Jesse Oracle. This means the prophetic or the Oracle of the man raised not on high, but the man raised up concerning the one anointed, the anointed one God of Jacob the delightful. One of the songs of Israel. David said I am writing concerning the anointed one. And then of course the next word next question I would ask David how could you possibly know about the anointed one, and he says that the spirit of the Lord spoke to me and his word was on my tongue later described what he told him about one who rules the people, just as we need your God, and then in verse five. There's no there really is no question though some English versions have a questionnaire. It really says or not so Pelo came or not. So is my house with God. I'm not that righteous king, but I know he's coming. The Lord will raise him up yet not raise them up yet will be raised up in the Lord raised up her spring up. They were the branch in the Jeremiah 23 is the verbal form. So David is saying here in his last word we write about David Wright about the Messiah hockey write about. Well the I was a prophet and then he said I know is coming to because you made an oath to meet his work covenant give me a greater sum and a great passage is banging on writing about this was, indeed, in keeping with what of what Jesus says regarding Psalm 110. Would Peter says regarding Psalm 16 that David expressed on the Messiah, and spoke about and see would just say yeah that's literally what happened exactly and in fact I would even go further. I believe that Peter was taught mechanic proxy by the Lord Jesus himself messianic optic and we see that Luke 24 and he is using second thing on 23 to guided interpretation of all 16 is of the very same thing David was writing about himself. He was writing about the Messiah David that he says that he was a prophet David word was on my tongue and then the third thing he says is that he knew that there was a covenant made him about the Messiah, the son of David, Davidic covenant, you mentioned that they think the David mentioned right there. I think that Peter was using second and 23 is back and did you think that one when Hannah gives praise to God in first Samuel to this is before you have solved is decaying.
It's obviously before you have David as a king, and she says that he will give strength to his king and exalt the horn of his anointed with that indicate you there was a hope like this in ancient Israel. Yet, I do think that that was okay going all the way back to where King was promised in Genesis 49 the one to whom it belongs in Numbers 24 the king star that will rise out of Jacob and so there is always an going back to the tour there with and it is the patient that the king would come. Yes, I think that that Hannah was thinking that this wonderful article. In it, but done by Prof. at Moody Bible to James Coakley on one Rachel friends. This is this is all in the Moody handbook of messianic prophecy studies and expositions of the Messiah in the Old Testament.
I have it in my hand. I have it at home.
I just sent to volume 2 to 1 of my colleagues telling some kind of missionary friend about the importance of getting the book fact offered to send him a copy it's it's that important. We are not selling it through our ministry, but wherever you get your books Christian book.com or Amazon get a copy and then if you're blessed by post review on Amazon.
That's the most traveled site in terms of people looking finding out post review let others know about it is it's an amazing resource. I would to take some calls of Jonathan Mississippi to be up first but don't want to do so. Right before the break really quickly.
We just got a minute.
Other articles that really got your attention that you learn something your or or you found something new or exciting when you read, and any others that that comes your mind, you felt about the song he wrote one of the Old Testament and the old testament and I love that article because what he right there, is that the Hebrew Bible. It felt having a conversation and that the later prophets are reading the earlier prophets. In the later prophets are confirming that the earlier prophets were reading the Bible were writing mechanically in their reading it mechanically, I think that's a wonderful chapter of the Old Testament, the oldest, my friend Larry Feldman whom you know you recently read that one is best articles I've ever read.
Yet exhibit there really are amazing insights and you know so is Michael Fishman talk about is called intertextuality. So looking back to see where later writers quoting an earlier making illusion my coming turned on the book of Job I get into that a lot with the book of Job is making subtle allusions to other parts of the Bible without courting them directly.
It's pointing in that direction. So is this really a treasure trove of the word of God is an amazing treasure in this book. The Moody handbook of messianic prophecy will help you dig into the treasurer of the word right calls to follow as soon as we come back my special guest Prof. Helmick from the Bible, we will file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown looking guest Adele make dear friend, we'll get to hang out that much, but we do.
It's always rich refresher of Jewish studies in Bible at Moody Bible Institute. But most poorly today editor when the coeditors of the Moody handbook of messianic prophecy over 1400 pages of landlord work is my privilege that I get to contribute to it as well. I lets it. Let's grab some calls your own talk show on on the a Moody radio so I'll let you answer some questions I Jonathan Mississippi you are up first, hello Dr. Brown how are you doing today are just great. Thank you. My question is for your dad when witness into Jewish people is it effective to use like Psalm 22 and they have 53 to prove the issue is, she absolutely I think the problem is that too many people today would argue that those passages are not met in one of the reasons why I'm so grateful to have this resource available that if someone were to save you all know that's not messianic at all. Sounds like he was David talking about his own suffering. This book will help you understand those passages better and make the case right. Psalms.
For example, the use talking about the Messiah, so indeed I think those are our terrific passages to use are there so many as well.
So many others in suits of angular yet. Thank you Jonathan for the question; the priests pursue something with you about Isaiah 53 in your mind. Was there an original context for the prophet.
Was there anything he was looking at in terms of vicarious suffering substitutionary suffering up righteous person suffering bringing healing tell this was it pure Revelation of the coming of the Masai was ready pattern he was looking at what your understanding but I think that he has three servants and you in the second half of the book of Isaiah and one servant is a failed certain Israel observant � but always in the context of the servant not succeeded in all apartment be it not been a light to the Gentiles. The servant Israel. The second servant is one that God would use to bring the people back from captivity and there's a prediction in their several ups can fire even mentioning him by name and Isaiah 45 King Cyrus to serve political servant. Then there's this sort of mysterious character in the for certain songs who is not just going to bring political deliverance but you will bring spiritual to look.
He will succeed where Israel failed he will be not just the glory of his people Israel will be a light of the nation and so this one is depicted in the for certain songs and that's what he had in mind to give her about an inspection Israel know you haven't got it temporarily and an end time am going to use virus now to bring about political restoration pot. There's going to be future son of David King coming from the line of David who will be that suffering servant who will provide not just wealthy and kingship but also spiritual deliverance.
I think that's what was in his mind, prophetically, to give hope to Israel of of redemption.
By the way, you mentioned great articles.
There's a great article and Isaiah about Isaiah 55 it was written by Bob Chisholm who was the chairman of Old Testament at Dallas theological seminary, and what he does is he shows how Isaiah 55 325 is designed to show the fulfillment of the Davidic promise in in the servant and so this is a great capstone article for the four servant song primitive 42 Isaiah 49 women article that if the men of course you did.
The 152 13 353 12 but then R. This article shows how that was indeed what Isaiah was looking forward to yes assure the sure mercies of David Winterset commandants, out of the blue, talking about David again so that Chisholm's is known on the blue and all it takes exactly on the heels of these previous scriptures and and by the way friends. Everything is laid out going right through the Bible and another registrant Genesis you going right through and in the order of the Psalms and Isaiah so it just in that sense even though every article is standalone that when you get when you get into it if you just going through a carriage. I just wanted to study in and read the whole book through you can do that but I have to say is I've been flipping through articles I've been thrilled because for some of the years I've I've entered dig in and go back and forth with Rabbi Cincotta missionaries brilliant arguments and challenges in responding their look at rabbinic literature looking at the Hebrew Bible and and all of that and it's a kind a step back and get some other perspectives from people coming from different angles is as been refreshing of for me, as as well. Inspirational Maya like you only know how much of you that you like the book value that with my great pension. You know my well what will my friend like Mike Brown who I really want to like this book. What will they think, and so I am.
I am really really grateful that you like it and I really do think it is a good resource not just for scholars like but anyone who really is knowledgeable wants to know the word of God. The baking they can begin and say okay I stretch but I will learn a really, really and and those that want to go deeper. You have that and notes. To do this if you want to dig deeper. Here the senescence you usually got into but really available for others and and the if you're if you're listening thinkable.
Why would there be any tension and understanding between two messy MGs who are both into Scripture and believe that Jesus is the Messiah. What we know that the Masai was in the mind of God from before the creation of the world, and it sure was the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world so we know that we agree on that. The question is how much was revealed to biblical authors. How much did they know how much was it in their minds and that's that's a thing you can really look at it from different angles and really try to understand that and and I think the argument that that this was known to biblical authors even earlier than many would think early in many critical critical scholars would think sometimes early that I might say I think the arguments presented wonderfully well and certainly that was always God's intent as you know that God was always doing this. I love you grab another call here Courtney from Alabama. Welcome to the line of fire. All I want you quickly add. I think this book and other messianic prophecy book out there because I turned in late and I'm very interested in netbook dig deeper into the Scriptures which other ones you have in mind to be lifted and the other is very familiar with any others yet all apartment. I don't have my library that at one girl that gets really at about a year ago. I have that one but a lot of party knew about them looking for things that I am not At might not have known about think that that second annual reference is one that I didn't know about that interesting things. I got yeah I think that I would say that there are some really wonderful resources out there and I don't want to minimize them. I think there are obviously I did my doctoral research on and off, they written another book on the it further. The most important subject to me. I can't face. Now that that I think that this book tries to be a little bit more comprehensive than other books that are out there in the sense of trying to get as much as we and about it so that as you say you do know about because they were 23 I venture to say you all about Joel 223 which is another passage that I got to write on and no, I don't know of hardly any other book that writes about those two, 23 and the Mexican messianic XO is more comprehensive and also we do have those endnotes to support that. You don't need them both out in a people want to know where you based on where you're getting it from there. I was really determined to have endnotes so that you going and dig deeper if they wanted to and so I would say that I've saved. This is not about the refinery act of Scripture in context as as the author would've intended to read yeah and yeah just a few of the thoughts for you Courtney if you go back to the old lion that Michael mentioned early in the show. UW Hank Stenberg Christology of the Old Testament. Two volumes brilliant but also reflecting scholarship in the 1800s and not always sensitive to Jewish objections to Jesus. Walter Kaiser has a great photo Messiah in the Old Testament, but it's it shorter doesn't get to go into his great depth. Herbert Lockyer had a book at all. The messianic prophecies of the Bible which is more of a list and compilation my volume in answering Jewish objections to Jesus. Find three answers objections to the various messianic prophecies, but doesn't lay out the comprehensive case for all of them in the model is about 300 pages similar to the atoll bar volume that you mention one for Israel about refuting rabbinic objections to Christianity messianic prophecy by 300 pages, but answering objections responding to the objections. Where is this is 1440+ pages going through every possible messianic reference in the whole of the Bible within a real solid waste if if if, for example, Joel 223. You may read and think what's messianic about that when you get into Michael's article, you'll be forced to think. In other words, is not one of these is pull a passage out cited and throw it out to the wind.
Each one is going to give you a solid Scripture argument. So yes there is responding to some of the objections as well as course we do that, that's inherent in in answering questions that we know people are going to ask, but there's so much in-depth exposition that it really is a treasure. So Courtney, I'm sure you'll enjoy it again. Moody handbook of messianic prophecy and Michael glowered up and I'm grateful that that will Kaiser contribute an article on the covenant is such a great scholar and author wrote forward yellow. Let's I am so thrilled that he did that. I'm really grateful yesterday.
See you got your top people writing in it all right.
We just got a few minutes left one more segment with micro delicacy will see if we get to another call or two and we had joked one time that I come to moody and dress up like a rabbi and debate him as to why Jesus was the Messiah.
And then we'd switch on and I think the other side of business, we lived in this and avoid the word is amazingly rich and beautiful. She will open the disciples mind want there it is there.
He is called Expo line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 86634 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us on one of fire around with my special Dell Nick professedly Bible Institute coeditor of the Moody handbook of messianic prophecy Michael, when you mention the excellent article by James Coakley on first Samuel two and the song of Hannah. I just was flipping through the pages now in the book of Daniel, one number yeah you did. You did that was my subtle polite way of of the track, but trust me, I've done that after the shows like did I say all know I clearly my said that anyway yeah we will do it so even in on page 367.
There is a chart that says lexical similarity between first Samuel two and in second Samuel 22 so the Psalm of of Hannah in the Psalm of David. And it's it's really quite remarkable in this would be one of these areas of intertextuality where you can't deny either by divine intent by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, or that the author was was conscious of this as well that similar vocabularies used similar words are used in and you can't deny that it's the same subject that's in focus.
I agree and you know I think too often we think that there was like a transcriber going there with Hannah wrote her Psalm right, but really what you have, the author and we don't know who it was of Daniel who would deliberately framing the world so that we would notice the inner biblical interpretation with inner biblical interaction between birthday. It is deliberate by the author so that we would pick it up.
I remember when I was writing my Jeremiah commentary and I came across a verse, Jeremiah 21 prophetic contracts between Jeremiah and Zedekiah, and three different words for wrath were all used in the same verb and in the same sentence. And I doubt that's that's strike. It got my attention so I immediately looked it up and found that those three words only occurred in the same verse one of the time and it was in Deuteronomy. When you went back to Deuteronomy things.
All this is the point. This is the the connection and and God. Again, his wisdom has inspired things on some secret codes but in in words that are clear, that are indisputable, but sometimes you have to dig a little bit to find work in Ohio.
Biblical interpretation ability and I would pick a right on the expert rule of biblical interpretation. In order to understand the Bible. We need to read the Bible and you're one of the things that happened, as were reading it work efficiently reading work and pick up on these inter-textual allusions were going required reading. It doesn't just Yet.
You know that I was asked will speak in Silicon Valley Sunday night this past week about which translations the Bible is best to use. I went through all the strengths and weaknesses. From my perspective of many different translations that are available.
Thank God for the abundance us a bit. You know the old saying the best translation is what you reach.
I listen looks like we got a former student of yours a Rochelle in now in Raleigh, North Carolina. Walking to the line of fire.
No, I will hear your voice. Thank all Scripture and I think that the powerful layout people understand.
I got it. I don't get it out in and found out I backward and now I different event that I was one of the stock market, but I'm on your door during the election so that he could get for my yeah, and being sacrificed about this awesome hey things are called to show you. It reminds me I was about to do a seminar on answering Jewish objections to Jesus at the Met big messianic congregation in Dallas, Texas and before I started that we people were there. It was well attended. I said let me show you that you need this class. I sit right Hoosier number one person near your sharpest your best, so they put out so so he's really a cyclonic fear I'll be I'll be the rabbi and really minutes I had demolished you know the different views and positions and and so on.
Of course there, look, we wouldn't be believers following the Lord. All these many decades. If we were following the truth if there were one solid objections, but I remember talking to a well educated lawyer who actually did apologetics and was on the front lines of the culture wars. We were sitting them over dinner any civil what possible objection. Could you have, to Jesus, I thought. It is wonderful that he has such strong faith, but amazing that he so unaware of that but Rochelle thank you for the call at your and my book on the on the cobranded with the story to story out.
I and we had a car payment now. I won't mention his name, and he he actually gave electrolyte. You should not believe Jesus at the Heber carbon is no one to answer and selected at the end during question time and I thought well I'll just answer him and everything I went I started Genesis 315 and he explained to me just about humanity and snakes and we want to stop on the head may want bias on the heel.
We went through the Army, not just gave everything I could and he demolished everything that and I thought God will never use me again. I will never let me state again because you know I just failed, but it is what drove me to want to study messianic prophecy in a deeper way so I could answer those objections and that life in such a focus of my research for years and years and years. But the good news with many, many years later I was given a seminar in California and I rented one of my old high school teachers and he didn't even know it was me, but you remember that incident. That is what drove him to get a Bible and read the Bible for himself and he came to us he just never know. Even our worst failures got back and look what went I came to faith and then the little he brought you for my bar mitzvah.
You had a bit more religious upbringing that I did much more really, so I did.
I just barely even remember the Hebrew at that point, just even the letters SOI I came to faith.
The difference in you.
You came on a journey to messianic prophecy only learn about the prophecies after I was a believer, but immediately challenged by the rabbis, and here I'm memorizing 20 verses a day and I'm mowing down everybody except the rabbis it I just can't answer every objection number one rabbi said to me in a seller Hebrew later in the meantime using Strong's concordance, the dictionary in the back and remember Sydney conch meantime, if you look Heber doesn't mean anything and then he brought me to meet ultra-Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn and that's what really threw me I was 18 years old had been through the Bible probably cover to cover five times memorized maybe 4000 versus praying hours every day and I meet these guys in their studying and praying hours a day in they know all this, my heart, and they seem very nice and very devoted difference in the Jewish men in my synagogue right grew up as they were very nominal and everything I threw at them. They have an answer harassing, I want the truth. I want to be a loyal juvenile you were ever the truth leads and that was I was like in a study to prove I was right was a study to please God of the truth lighting here these decades later, the truth keeps opening up to us in wonderful ways. In two minutes before the break, Michael, in your own journey you determined to prove your faith right at any cost.
We determined to go with the witness of the Scriptures. What I think I can break through the witness of the Scriptures. I bent the truth, even as I stood there responding to that guy when I was in years old when I was in that interaction. I knew I I had the truth I didn't have to prove it myself. I just needed to articulate it better.
I needed to understand his arguments better and I needed to articulated I was going to follow God wherever, but I was convinced that the simple reading of the text that I had done made sense, but I needed to get deeper so I could make a better case so people could see it.
I really believe that so about I just want to follow your site and that's what caused me to believe in your shoe. In the first place to be a good UI but I have to believe all the prophets foretold and and they foretold the Messiah, Jesus.
So yeah, I think I just wanted not to confirm it myself but be able to better articulate it for others. That's why I've made it in depth study, I guess we don't have much time, but I remember one of the think take the spirit of God to open people's eyes and ears to see. I really believe that once talking to a rabbi and I answered all his objections and his wife looked at me is that you know your problematic and I advised that you know better. You actually don't even let it urinating. I had to pay the proof though is when God opens our hearts felt like that.
Luke 2040. Just open their minds to understand Scriptures, and that that's over hoping for looking for. Yes we we present the truth as best as we can and then we pray for friends of the Jewish community. Rabbis of the secular Jews, religious Jews gobbled up in their hearts, their minds friends. II heartily strongly recommend, and the messianic prophecy.
Michael can't wait to see again. He also I think that I