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January 6, 2020 4:41 pm
So how do we establish accountability and ordering the church and parts of the church where there seems to be none stage for the line of fire with your host activist all the international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of the fire school of Ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown can leaders be trusted. Can spiritual leaders be trusted can pastors be trusted is their accountability or their standards or people living by the word. What if they're not, how do we deal with it friends. These are pressing issues in the church today issues that I'm right in the thick of myself as we talk with other leaders and do our best to bring accountability and hold up standards and we felt that it would be important to devote a broadcast right at the beginning of the year to the subject, this is Michael Brown you have tuned into the light a fire broadcast. If you have a question that relates to this in the charismatic world and the larger world of nondenominational churches within a denomination how accountability functions what should be expected of leaders by all means give us a call. 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 87884 last week.
Panel issued a statement I oversaw the pound was not on it, issued a statement concerning the ministry of Todd Bentley, an investigation that had gone on regarding many accusations that have been brought against his ministry. I then issued a statement after that explain my own role and tonight on Facebook RS Dr. Brown Facebook channel do my best to bring the father's heart and the most redemptive way possible to answer some questions relative to that and give us the ability to move forward in a godly way. In today's broadcast though. I want to look at some broader issues and I can think of no better person to have on the air with me today than my friend Dr. Joseph Matera. He has been a respected pastor for many years in Brooklyn respected city leader in the church with and beyond that, a national and international leader, and author also engaged in leadership training around the world. So without further ado, Joe. Great to have you back on the air. Thanks for joining us today. Dr. Broderick. Great job.
Thank you. Thanks so much. How long have you been burdened and concerned about the issues of accountability and standards and in Christian leadership.
Well, you know, traveling a lot. The early 90s my turn got greater because of poor health curtains around, and how other ministers were doing things without any kind of accountability but my concerns of heightened in the last several years with the advent of the nation of hyper great teaching which seems to have made matters much more with people thinking they could live in sin intentionally throwing now there intentionally sending it thinking that take you to minister and/or you know you corrected quickly get out you like to ask forgiveness and everything will be fine and that the content you wanted to my concerns up in height lately right so it's one thing to have nonaccountable leaders and as independent church networks have been burst as many people have felt called by God to plant churches and do new works and things like that you have the potential of unaccountability that a pastor is kind of the head and the chief in the end all and maybe has a board and he has the power to dismiss that board so what if he falls into sin. What if their financial issues, sexual issues, different things.
How are they dealt with.
Then you add in beyond that in charismatic circles. Often we can hide behind the anointing.
Look at how God uses me look at the gift operating in the how can you question me and then you add in doctrinal error of hyper grace, so they were forgiven. We just keep going forward. So it is a serious situation. Let's focus for a moment on within the charismatic movement. How is it possible that perhaps we who are charismatic Pentecostal believe in the gifts, and power. The spirit today.
Kent can hide behind the gift and the noise anointing and use that in an abusive way. Currently it is a chapter that church camp behind it and looked over at Bill O'Connell in chapter 3 like grapes in Christ.
Even though evidently they operated in all but nine gifts of the manifestation elucidated currently 12.
He had devote a chapter to love walking in love, which means that just because somebody can prophesy. You will have great that blue Mountain doesn't mean that there walking in holiness is currently 1300 x 2 molding springs but have not love, I am nothing. So God can anoint somebody because the gifts and calling of God are without repentance told 11. Being that God is pleased with that person and that that person is actually walking with the Lord's right so you can be. Perhaps like Samson and have a supernatural gift.
But if the character is not right if they're not right stretches of accountability among other leaders and things like that the gift could cut potentially destroy you and destroy others.
And yet, the mystery say touch not the anointed you know I have a healing ministry a prophetic ministry.
How dare you question eight, but standards of leadership are there for a reason. Why would you say the first Timothy three Titus one. Some of the classic passages about standards for New Testament leaders. Why did Paul put those in place. Why are they so important well pattern of living which goes along with repetitive good doctor in that role in the old Timothy three and patterns for living, which have to do a character have to do with managing one's own household well have to be employed to the church as a family of family and if we have leaders that are not managing the house as well committing adultery constantly abusing others a limited number of them, which could happen is we are to be modeling dysfunctional family that is proliferate to the church in every hundred cups of the church everybody we disciple will mimic our behavior. If the foundation is faulty old buildings could be built the wrong way. That's why it's so imperative that the leaders wanted standard of righteousness that include laid out being that they don't sin means that they have not intentionally living in a habit pattern of sin is different for everybody but not everybody's intentionally living in a habit pattern. So what you say to those who say they look unforgiving to the cross you just being a legalist and the Pharisee and in your throwing stones at people the reason Jesus said not to do, how you respond today I made a great not talking about talking about.
Lori got into the ministry of apostle, pastor, teacher, and eventually Ephesians 411.
He claimed that by saying in verse one of chapter 4 that we have to welcome the calling with which we have been called not to do with salvation.
It has to do with after we saved walking a certain way according to the assignment. We haven't got the calling not worthy of salvation.
Joe, you don't only engage in teaching, preaching around the world, leadership training, but you've pastored for decades. So you're dealing with everyday life with moms and dads singles with with young people with older people and you seen a lot of things firsthand your average congregant doesn't realize how much a pastor gets hit with his all the problems, needs and issues get thrown on the pastor and people look to you know that suicide the family. The cancer diagnosis of financial crisis there calling their needing prayer needing help.
That means that over the years, you must've seen people who were terribly hurt by sin among leaders by abusive leaders and things like that. Can you just paint a picture of what happens when we leaders abuse or misuse the authority to God's given them what the repercussions could be our order. You devoted totally to functional leadership, which include leadership and wrecked havoc in the church because people look to you like a spiritual parent and when you don't walk in a manner worthy of the calling and you use there calling P using your title to try to have a sexual relationship with a woman or man leader and your kind of counsel somebody would you want to have sex or to control or too late. Eventually people are going to blame the whole church and leave the church and may even want to blaming God.
So it just is just right at the fate it's crazy just so we've all seen this where a leader sins against the congregant takes advantage of the country at whatever the cases and that person doesn't end up just leaving the church. They leave the Lord they they their whole faith in God is shattered so there's great responsibility for leaders.
The book friends poisonous power we had you want to talk about it when it came out I was looking at the government just now before he raised it and just posted in our you to chat and and on twitter what did you feel the need to write the book. Now, well I will be, I really like we don't have transformed leaders how to get a different culture like the character was sitting quietly and I'm not saying we focus on cultural currents abated. But if we just focus on cultural transformation, but we don't care about our personal walk with God then we get a conflict people are even recognizing nation to what cannot carnality will be no different than just another political party if that's all we do it we have to be really really careful that we don't neglect God as well a personal Lord because we are so active and sometimes we think the beans justifies the end we think well used to style you want to use another one until I keep it out to accomplish my goal and then we forget about the person we can use prophetic gifts to money their influence and I believe that God values people northern programs.values men both in the ministry can sometimes God will remove someone from ministry because he loved him so much he doesn't want to have ministry to be their God be the mistress with something that captivates their heart so much that it destroys them because they are lifted up by some pretty intense words friends. I hope you cost him a lot more to come.
Joseph is this relevant book on the subject. Today poisonous power. Take some calls back saying it's the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown talk about leadership standards in the body.
The need for accountability in the body for the question about this, by all means give us a call 866-34-TRUTH and then tonight at 8 o'clock Eastern standard Time on Facebook of the Esther to Brown Facebook page is K DR Brown doing a live chat just giving a father's heart perspective on what happened with the Todd Bentley investigation answering some relevant questions but everything we do will be redemptive so that we can constructively move forward and begin the book that I highly recommend in the context of these issues is Joseph Matera M ATT ER eight poisonous power so Joe what we do in a situation where you have lots of independent churches through region. Not saying it's wrong to have independent churches. Neither of us are Catholic or Greek Orthodox or something were submitted to a worldwide system. But how can we constructively as leaders in the city bring greater accountability, greater fellowship. Is there a plan.
A method is it all just kinda random and do the best we can.
I think anybody out of order so I think what we need an interdependent weather data from a denomination or an informal network of formal network will need each other and so we lead United States coalition of apostolic leaders that and it dependent group of leaders who work together and who thought each other and I laid another Christ covenant: should think about local level and so even though not a denomination are not independent work into dependent and I believe that leaders isolate them so you just get lonely and too difficult to deal with all of the pressures whether it is about her precious family pressures are dealing with budgets real estate domain. It's just so hard and so throughout the years we done regular pastors prayer meetings. I have a monthly resume clerical high level leaders, we pray for each other. We check in, but we do retreat we have the roundtable talk and cursing like that and I think that everybody needs to connect to network. Are you part of a denomination with a lot of systems like look at the Roman Catholic Church doesn't mean that it prevents people from sitting at the end of a very you could have someone to play with you every morning but it's up to you to drive all your heart and to be transparent and many people have the place to people a place to find someplace even a network to going astray because you as an individual responsible to confess your faults to one another as James received press and we could be healed and not everybody does that right so let's think this through for minute right. Let's say that you are the leader of the ministry and see your man leading the ministry you're pretty well known that you been struggling with pornography right you think yourself okay I shafted get victory over this with with Jesus, help II know I'm more than a conqueror and and and this is beneath me in and I know the power the Holy Spirit can help me overcome some just to get victory over this and and because I can't tell anyone because if I tell you one then they they might think that it's even worse. Or maybe my board would find out who my supporters would fight out of my parishioners would find out her and so I just have to overcome this and fix this on my own and and then I think it's all were okay mom struggling even more. But if I tell anyone that things are going to happen. People have doubtless been in struggles like that. What would you tell someone a pastor leader that's in that very situation now and they're afraid to be transparent you're afraid to do what you say, what would you tell them, well, you know, there are counselors, in actuality not allowed to reach you not getting help but open bail and lead to eating counseling center gender to help people talk counsel nobody like him. And then there should be people that you walking with peers or some kind of father or mother that can help you keep things in confidence the same time you should be willing to step down and/or take a sabbatical or period of restoration and if you're afraid to tell you that the your putting yourself before your family. You want God in your ministry so the other day. You gotta be willing to submit even if it's going to be painful and I'm so glad that you said that. So one help is available and into our relationship with God, our walk with God is more important than ministry and anything else in the whole idea. Well, if if I mess up and I step down.
Then all of these all the support of this is that if God's called you drunk and resurrects things God can bring greater favor in the body does respond well to humility and repentance we can deal with something and fix it. Behind closed doors and really get things right and before that's always best. But there are other things that need to come forward and when they do they come forward with it. It may be painful, but the process will bring life in the end let's grab a call from Chicago. Rob, thanks for calling on the fire which are question today. My question, I work with our Bible Chapel Donald O. And I question how it hurt but when what qualify, but bent it out. We bought Lippert started� Egg or about the important question Joe.
What would you say well I mean pastor down to GoToMeeting been restored.
There have to be a body of leaders that we carry determine whether or not is true repentance restoration whether adequate counseling is taken place and also to interview the spouse and the family that they have a family just to see it all behind closed doors what they think of repentance, so just taking time off doesn't mean anything they could take the time off to go to a hotel and look at pornography all day so I mean they have to be Presbytery that is trusted. Given that responsibility for determining when a person is ready so that you can receive forgiveness instantaneously, but restoration is a process just like if you had an injury right in and takes a while for that injury to it to heal, and not only that the elders are called to be above reproach. So if there was something reproachful. The trust was lost and has to be a period of every building that so restoration is is possible, but it has to go through quick process so you are saying that there can be future someone can commit adultery, confess it be grieved over it broken over it go through a process of making things right with God and man, and then come to pointed being restored and perhaps even have a more blessed and broken ministry humble before the Lord. After that, but there has to be a process so Joe would you say that in many cases there is not a setting where there is a Presbytery where there are leaders that can really oversee a restoration process where independent third girl born to a network.
Most networks are no have some kind of very deformed immediately throughout your network. On no leadership, maturity and proximity to the person and all that geography so I would most likely to usually get a beer Presbytery that can be formed if it's not already formed an independent minister even though you could reach out to somebody else that they don't know well or perhaps a note about a dinner party in the same Association or denomination, and I can probably help them as well to do so many people that can reach out to him for help.Rob, thank you so the question again.
That's where leaders that are trusted to be trusted. In other words, that people who are known and respected in the body and have good accountable relationships and in their finances are aboveboard in their depersonalized or aboveboard they been in ministry for periods of years that that they are then trusted to oversee a process if they themselves are corrupt to say that the Catholic Church of the priest is corrupted and the bishop is corrupt and the Cardinals corrupt that obviously your big problem. Thankfully, there are men and women of God. People of integrity and and that's a thing if if we want to do things right. Then there are right ways to to do them at thank you Rob. So Joe, one of the things that we sought to model with this coalition of leaders of Pamela five they came together and as you know, you are the very first when I contacted out when I greets it to lead this in the Todd Bentley situation and the goal is to honor the Lord that this is not a witchhunt. This is not an exoneration attempt that the the whole goal was to honor the Lord that we were hoping we could say hey this is this is a way for others to do another words are there leaders in your city that are respected that you can come to and submit a situation and then they can look at it in and give a ruling or pattern.
So Joe just got a minute before the break, but in your book poisonous power out what will readers get that will be helpful in this situation.
Well, you trapped in dealing with restoration. Chapters dealing with not only functional leadership but functional leadership and there is a chapter understand the standard for no leadership in an age of scandal I just launched a podcast up so excited to say on your show for the first time you give me advice launched at today's agricultural material we deal with this very object of general Todd Bentley, the panel in the process of dealing with these kind of things and so there's a lot that has to be done.
We need to get trusted leaders together to find out how to listen to that list of questions about the so-called lower 7 ounce mandate some of the controversies with my guess that this is a file. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown broadcast accountability standards. Leaders these things are super important in the sight of God. Leaders lead leaders have great influence. Bad leaders can bring bad reputation to the name of Jesus. They can hurt.
Otherwise, they can drive people away from the Lord. Good leaders can help people grow become more and more like Jesus is my guest today, Dr. Joseph and Tara has said we are a family of families and leaders are leaders within those families, as the Lord's representative so it's it's a serious thing at the look every one of us fall short one where another we go to the Lord for mercy and grace. And sometimes the more serious issues that have to be dealt with. To the extent everything can be dealt with before the Lord. Behind closed doors wonderful do it with his repentance with his fixing of things but when there are things that are habits are patterns, there is no sign of real repentance. That's when the anti-get stopped and that's when it is often necessary to take further action. That's what's happened recently.
That's with Dr. Matera and I were involved with with a recent investigation with Todd Bentley want God's best for everyone involved. But there are standards in Scripture for a reason. I Joe you just started a podcast.
How can people listen to it will make you all right and it's on all the major platforms spotted by capital several and all of the major ones have it and they could just check it out.
Just put my name. They could find it. So we really excited about it and where launching guy we launched a ready with dealing with the subject or subject that we talked about so excited, so let's just shift a little bit, but something very interesting happened last year I interacted back and forth was with some authors who had written about the so-called new apostolic Reformation and raised all these concerns and I dressed and sang a lot of what you're talking about is mythological as if there is a coalition of hundreds of millions of Pentecostals charismatics from the world that are under some type of unified apostolic vision or leaders and I said there was something Peter Wegner identified his new apostolic Reformation, etc. in the in any case, you are leading a coalition of apostolic leaders. Interestingly, you ended up in dialogue with some of these very authors and and last we talked about use of the dialogue is been actually very fruitful.
I know there's certain things that that you might not want to raise or talk about that may just be between you privately, but was that the results of that what what was the nature of the interaction and how did you basely help each other in terms of your perspectives well together. Evidently you got a great with them on some issue and then I had to order me to look at your articles and limited concerns and I emailed you back in until I actually agree with them but to go with Holly pivot Dr. Abbott and open new apostolic Reformation argument? In one called super apostles are concerned with the same thing that I am that people using the title apostle using the title that you know my position is apostles born function, not a title upholding the apostle Paul is an apostle to that you are concerned people would use their authority to usurp the authority pastors because I dare you know apostle.
They have the right order. The pastors in the region around in that very rarely happens. But it's it's been done, but I would counter that abuses of evangelist profit of teachers that does that mean that we get rid of the other ministry gifts for preconscious deposit abuses. Every one of the fivefold ministry gifts listed in Ephesians 411 and that means we do not need to work see how the Bible functions are shown how to scribed in a digital FIFO ministry gifts and we need to have honest dialogue and hold each other and check basically comes down to accountability as well and also correct teaching and be transparent with one another, but I had a conversation with them turned out to be lovely. We can be half-hour letter speaking for three hours on first time on the phone together so well. I have high regard for Doug and Holly and many of the concerns of my concerns in the United States:� Leaders right so what I find interesting was from the critics that you and this coalition with the very culprits. Those are some of the things I was trying to address that that the thing was being misconceived by thickets the specific concerns of course a method that's what I found so ironic you are leading an organization that that some think is the very epitome of the problem in one of the reasons for your organization is to be able to address these problems.
So in your understanding as you mention apology apostles a function more than a title just if if your teaching on this and people are not familiar with it, because we got a wide range of listeners and viewers from a wide range of spiritual backgrounds. Just go through the fivefold ministry how you understand how each of these these gifting's functions within the body with the callings are why they're important. 11 50 ministry gets better. She ministry the gospel is basically a component or aspect of how to minister the quality apostle about faith in Hebrews chapter 3 basically 12 apostles 912 evangelist pastors apostles generally are pioneers or entrepreneurs there people who take territory used by around to depict somebody who was a military general and went out led ships to conquer territory to somebody who will likely not be comfortable staying in one little church building, but will want to multiply the gospel multiplied fivefold to plant churches start movement and have networks that would be a brief summary their visionary leaders that are by God to expand the gospel are profit somebody who is a real deep connection with God carries God's burden.
God's heart tries to speak into standards of the Bible and culture. Not only are they able to build them patterns like apostles, but they speak the same thing what it apostle may say, in principle, profit may prophesy. That's how we word and evangelist of someone who has a gathering anointing to somebody build a large church with the community not to make disciples have systems in place to pastor people they would be in the world you know that evangelism with the gift of evangelism using it in the context of the world you call salesman the insurance salesman there.
The marketers promoted, then you have teachers, teachers and people that could take complex concepts break it down for the average person and related not only they could stand up with practical steps of applying the truth that is cut bait and pastors and leaders of other shepherd's heart did not interested as much in the mansion, but in maintaining the flock maintaining what has already been gained from the apostle, the apostolic gift and their concern is just caring, loving, comforting and loving on the level of the fivefold description. I exhaustively in my book essays on apostolic leadership of the book. I have out so much interested in understanding the apostolic ministry.
I would urge him to get that book Amazon to my website@terra.org. So what if you have someone that is really burden to win the lost and they go out the plant a church in a new area but there is a real calling in gifting is to be an evangelist. What happens if that person in our culture and setting is a plan to the church, therefore, that the pastor say goes to few hundred people. They become the coach senior pastor of the congregation with the real gifting and calling is evangelist what's can happen to them what can happen to the congregation. Generally, the pastor will be frustrated about meeting everybody noncapital holding and doing counseling that pastor primary gift of evangelism there to get a costly one when so advertised. Reach out and belong to some of the largest churches in America. Unfortunately they not getting advice from pastors or from apostolic leaders. They won't know how to an maintain people so you might have front door. The but you might have it back to the Lord, you have a lot of growth, but a lot of people come and go so that is typical of many of the churches in America. Large churches do many of them secret and intuitive as we might call them, they might have thousands of people, but it doesn't mean that they have thousands of articles I so that's why it's so important for people to recognize callings in God to recognize their strengths and their weaknesses. You often hear you say we staff our weaknesses, so the goal is for everyone to function in their strength that everyone has to do certain things that that they don't want to do, but that they need to be done to me that's this reality and in the life and we take the time because we all have to have on some level shepherd's heart. But if you tried to two. It lets you set a business analogy that might help folks there. There is a difference between an entrepreneur starting companies and accountant that's counting every dollar and if you put the accountant in charge of developing vision and expansion or you put the entrepreneur in charge of counting dollars.
You have two frustrated people and into departments that go in the wrong direction. So it's it's the same thing in the body and I just want encourage pastors and leaders be securing God said if you have other gifted people there if they function in their gifts that you can better function your gift. If you have a real gift evangelist in your body then you want to nurture that person strikes in the Lord then empower them to reach the lost and to lead the congregation in reaching the lost and then you can be sure that the loss, the commander cared for and nurtured, strengthened and developed. We come back. I want to focus on this one last issue.
Insecurity among leaders. My guest Dr. Joseph Matera relevant books, poisonous power and essays on apostolic it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6634 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown friends. Just a few more minutes with Dr. Tara and Tobit leadership talking about accountability in ministry. Please join me tonight for very important Facebook live chat 8 PM Eastern standard Time, we've got many questions at a been sent into something to address the most relevant ones during the broadcast tonight, but it's can be a very important talk 8 PM at the Astor to Brown. It's a SK DR Brown Facebook page of Joe. One thing I noticed over the years and and I see it in John XIII chapter pattern by Jesus that when we are secure in the Lord willing to get low mobility to humble ourselves were excited about others who are gifted and who are anointed when were insecure in the Lord.
We have to cover-up we have to push others down there. Success is as a threat to us deceiving extreme saying about some the thing they'd rather be number one in hell.
The number two in heaven. I mean, since pride and ego issues tied in and Jesus is no problem washing the disciples feet because he knows exactly who he is a scum from God and returning to God over your decades of ministering to leaders. How often have you seen the root of insecurity is a big problem and then how can you help ministers leaders believers become secure well. Many of the many things people think about going up one of the largest church a lot of building in her ability and a lot of time it's on outward insecurities and the root of that has to do with not being affirmed as a child. A lot of people are looking for the affirmation of father and it's interesting that we see in Luke chapter 3 how she never ministered until he heard the voice of the father say you are my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. The father told him that before he healed before he preached before he pointed across the dead he went out to the firm And That's How He Was Able to Face the Devil in the Wilderness, You Many Many People Who Are on Affirmed and They're Trying to Earn Beloved Father Trying to Earn the Love of God, but What They Accomplish in Every Competition Because If I Think That by Doing Great Things for God. God Can Love Me Then I'm Good to Be Jealous of the Pastor down the Block Who Is Building a Larger Church That God Loved Him about a Million Lives like Both Go to Church but When We Receive after They Really Do Anything Where Our Identity Is a Child of God, Not NC Filter and We Are Grounded in the Love of God before We Reach before We Do Anything That When I Don't Approve Anything We Minister Because We Love God Not to Earn God's Love and I Think That's the Main Problem That We Have Many Many Many Leaders and We Find Our Identity and What We Do and How People Look at Us Rather Than Sign Our Identity and Being Children of God Sons and Daughters of God. Yes so so Well Put in in These Areas Look Their People That Have Mega Ministries That Have Struggling These Areas. There There Broken People in Other Areas for for Decades. That Means Is to Be a Certain Lack of Health Overall. In and Who They Are What They Produce out One of Your Songs Years Back Suddenly Became a Best-Selling Author and Probably at a National Level Just to the Secular World Became Better Known Than You and Sold More Books Than You Here. You Were Ministering Serving All These Years How That Make You Feel about John. John Rather That I Have No Greater Joy Than My Children Walk in the Client Router, Biological Children, and Even My Spiritual Children Because I'm Going to Father the Works That I Do You Do Greater Works Because I Go to My Father and so Is Already Setting Us up for Generational Blessing Where Children That We Have Greater Works Than Also I Think It Will. Walking with God We Securing God Will Actually Have More Joy When Our Biological Children throughout the Day. When We Do Well like I Can Take Great Pride in Nabbing Him to My Throat When I See My Kids Doing Better Today Than They Were Not Doing Yeah and That's Course I Knew That Would Be Your Heartbeat Even Talked about That Generationally Those Perspectives before, but I Want People to Hear That Because It Does Reveal the Insecure Heart the Competitive Heart Where If We We Could Not Rejoice in Our Own Physical or Spiritual Children Doing More Than Us, Then, That Does Speak of Something Very Odd Something Really Lacking in Rather Than Yourself over the Head of It over Just Realistically Sums Raw Father, Help Me to Get to the Root of This so I Can Really Have Your Heart and It Comes from That Sense of Security. Hey Look If the Father Says to You, Well Done Good and Faithful Servant.
I Really Pleased with You. It's A Lot Easier for You to Encourage Others Say Go for It Passed Me Do Better, but If You Feel the Father's like to Know about This Guy. He's Just Not Doing Enough.
He's Not Productive Enough Then You're Going to Feel Threatened by Anyone Else Is out There and and Unfortunately This like Ministers, Pastors, Leaders, Whoever They Are, Whatever the Gifting Apostles, Prophets There Just Human Beings and Human Beings Can Be Can Be Flawed. So Last Question for You. In General, If You Were to Give One Word of Every Pastor Christian Leader in America Was Listening to You and and You Can Just Tell Them One Saying for Their Life and Ministry.
What Would It Be the Main Thing the Main Thing the Church Relationship through All the Strength to Great Things, Not Grown Weary. Even Tried the Apostles Were Not Found of the Delighted Liars, but I Have One Thing against You, You Left Your First Love and I Will Tell You If We Keep God First in Our Life. Everything the Report Second Will Never Be Hurt. That's Those Wise Words and That Really Says It All and All Comes down to That. The Main Thing Being the Main Thing in the Things Important Than a Personal Relationship with God. Hey, What's Your Website Posting, Go to the to Disconnect with You My Name to Make a Retreat. You Are Right.org and My Team Asked Me Right Away What I Did Know All the Names of Broadcasting on Start up on Google Play in ITunes or the Major Platforms and It Shows up Mature and Alleged a New Podcast on the Lord.
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