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May 20, 2020 4:30 pm
French today you can hear the real story of Norma McCovey the row in Roe versus Wade stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown, what will the headlines are everywhere, wearing Jane Rose deathbed confession antiabortion conversion quote all an act paid for by the Christian right is this true. If so, what are the implications Michael Brown great to be with you today on the line of fire. 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 7884. I'm joined by David Benham together with his brother Jason. They have been in the front lines of pro-life activism reaching out helping caring for many years and they grew up under their dad slipped Benham, who was the man that God used to lead Norma McCormick to the Lord was all a sham was actually going on with you and it gets interested in going to play some clips from a new documentary that's coming out on on FX on Hulu that alleges that that she was paid by the right. The whole saying was an act.
Norma Korb is not here to speak for herself anymore. These are the final words recorded. What do we make of them. David, thanks so much for joining us today. In the midst your busy schedule all honor to be on what Dr. Brown thanked Raven let's set the record straight. First, what happened with Roe V Wade in the first place. What was normal, Cory, who was that the role in Roe V Wade what really happened with her. What was the real situation that led to the Supreme Court case well recorded it with that up because the the attorney and everybody that was involved with. It just needed a lady that actually wanted and they thought the whole thing up. Norma McCormick got a lie from the get-go. She writes about that in her both of her book. The first one before she came to know the Lord, which is eyebrow in and of course the second 11 by love. She talked all about how it was a lie and and it was it was just the setup but she would use by the pro-abortion community to set the whole thing up so did they claim she was raped or something. But what was that this outgassing like they claimed they claimed he was right, that if you were to get specifically with the story but missed Norma very much a people pleaser and would do what people would say and they told her that he was raped and missed Norma that is great and later on after she came to know the Lord missed Norma actually would be the public before she became to know the Lord.
She kept her conscience would guilty and she was on national television that I was not and I can remember that the one commentator I don't remember his name but I remember saying oh I would like a bombshell. He would like you and they were not raped and she got no I would not write another without a lot, so you're just being that Norma is being played like a puppet at the one week when we when our family got a note Norma, everything changed. I David, I want you to listen to this. This is a trailer from this documentary. I know it's grievous to hear this because you and your family knew her personally, but this is what's getting out and were doing our best. This is your family is to get on top of this to get the truth out. But friends understand this, regardless of anything that's happened since 1973.
The whole premise of the case Roe V Wade was based on a lie. Just understand the magnitude of that friends alright let's let's listen to this trailer is my deathbed confession became the embodiment of the pro-choice because I'm not a demerit like lighting she wanted to be an activist. She was not the poster girl that would have been helpful for me to. I was tempted to tell her alleles alright so her real story, David.
How did you and your dad get to know her, what's the history of that and why do you believe that the conversion was genuine. I posted a video this morning. Once we call the trailer video this morning of the real conversion of Norma McCorvey and I'm sure you'll be parking on your Facebook you go to your Facebook and I can say it and felt my dad put his office next door to the busiest abortion facility in Dallas Texas and at the time we of the family were ministering to these mothers and by the way the mainstream media all week that we were not about protesters and agitators and haters and all that America, but we would have these mothers in our home.
We would leverage the church resources to pay for vehicles for the moms that would choose life. I mean a lot of the date they chose abortion because they didn't feel they had any other choice. They were financially against all the hardships and felt we were just helping his mom's well that had no idea that Norma McCorvey was a worker at this particular abortion ability and and that he befriended her because they had a love for the beach boy she was a chain smoker. Daddy you chain smoker used to be an alcoholic and that she would set out a note on the bench out of the parking lot.
Dad would go up in and speak to her and talk all about the on the video and and and one day Norma had written a book called I am Roe and dad showed up to the press conference and he said very loudly missed Norma, how dare you arrive Norma McCorvey, whatever is that I'm paraphrasing now how dare you desecrate the lives of 35 million baby boys and girls with that numbers up to well over 65 million now baby boys and girls but telling about and it really cut her heart and he saw her a little bit later and he said I was just convicted that I came across very harsh and he apologized to her. He went up very far smoking on the bench. He apologized to her and it was at that moment and she she says on the video she went in 5.abortion facility into her office closed door turnoff like just started weeping and I remember Dr. Brown. I remember I was there when she brought her lesbian partner, Connie over to our home and I would dare when Ms. Connie and missed Norma work lying in Ms. Connie prayed to the Jesus Christ and Ms. Connie that my brother, not a Walmart get a blowup pool and we baptized her little church down the road called Metro church and I was there when we got a U-Haul trailer and helped missed Norma move out of her home into another home and and just her embracing our family. We were there at the picnic than all of the think just being in radical, radical transformation in David. I know you guys well enough I know the story well enough, but for the benefit of those who don't know you and for the critics and the skeptics was anything offered to her, did you give her financial incentive did you say hey look, you got a big story if if if you leave here and will pay you and will videotape baptized, not of course not that big lot about Roberson's weight was based on a lie and eight she was used in the Butte, and even in her death. It is absolutely based in a lot and cannot pay that she was never offered anything to convert to Christianity. Just watch the video and you could see her face and you could get her tears genuine relationship we had this relationship with her and she would never offered any that. Here's what she was offered she was offered the love of Jesus Christ with a helping hand community and the pro-life people when she went up the abortion that that particular facility much and I've got the name on the press release. I put like a Lopressor on our Facebook page and I've got the abortion's name in there, but I don't remember my head now but he fired Norma and he fired Connie.
Both of them without job and we as a family and as a church community came alongside her, as you would be expected to as any Christian should do when someone is job for coming to faith and that I have nothing. Of course you surround them. If the Bible teaches that if someone comes to you with any news they all pray for you going be well you have mean you're not doing what's right that we took care of Dr. Brown.
This is what the documentary talk to me and Jake and when I went and asked my dad my dad that make you another thing you know you are not always very bright, but they didn't tell him what they were doing.
Dad no idea when he saw the trailer Jack called me last night was mortified, hijacked, split Benham to bring some validity if they knew you'll get what Benham you don't really get the story, but I took went down.
They didn't tell that it all. Dad told me you like to come lately. Ms. let me I'm sorry I get excited your to completely list misled my dad and now he's ashamed that he's even on this documentary, but I talked to Ms. Norma personally on the phone before she died. No, not right before she got the government before she passed away and she was not doing good.
She was on medicine. She was really hurting and she was that she was upset. I mean missed Norma, she would say things you know, we walked with her for a long time. She would stay thing that were so off-the-wall and outraged. Let me know if you get a Gentile blog like the storm you know were all being sanctified here by Dr. Brett Davis to stay right there from the documentary.
Let's play click number two just to confirm what you're saying, click number two will I know my God just want to miracle. She jumped from spawn of Satan to a child of Christ without my right so she's saying she's going to speak her mind. It's etc. and that's that sushi is so first you guys knew when you minister to her that she was in a lesbian relationship all court so that was never on his yet I was not a secret. Got it. Got it. So we knew that you so you so you are saying that she would speak all kinds of things.
She was upset towards the end of life. So you feel that she was yeah yeah knowledge of all absolutely picked up that confession. I mean, I probably I don't know exactly when they talk to her and when I was on the phone with her, but this is totally different.
I missed Norma, I'm telling you she would say things just absolutely everything she come back and let you know what that what she did that on many occasions then you know I I is a believer of the walking with the Lord long, and I have besetting things in my mind or I have been setting up the hallway. I spoke with you about putting what we all deal with the thing well missed Norma would come back and stuck the records very well.
Unfortunately, the way that this was manipulated conveniently released after she said now she can't come back and what they're doing to her and off that you know with with Ms. Connie Norma love Ms. Connie. She was in a lesbian relationship. It was wrong. She confessed that with her. She knew that it was wrong and in Norma was still kind Ms. Connie. We took care of Connie as well and and and and what that this documentary I haven't been documentary not out yet, but my understanding is that you're trying to pit now things she didn't want to leave Ms. Connie and all those that now. I mean this is this is really good. It is insane because missed Norma really did genuinely love Connie and and Ms. Norma new that a lesbian relationship was not pleasing to God. But she submitted to the Lord. That's what she did. If you still have the longing and fiber stay right here Davis states napalm. This is this is a major issue for God to use this draw attention to the liable draw attention to reality or cessation will be like that. Number five. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. She was totally lost Mrs. from the documentary about Norma Cory claiming that she was paid by the Christian right that she was never sincere convert that she never really became pro-life people have known her known for years that are in the home, spend time with her very greedy very upset with this, it was she said was she passed away and now this is released to have with me David Benham. He is immediately involved in the story because it was his dad that God used to lead Norma to the Lord. David there is a clip on this in quotes from Rob Shank who was a pro-life activist for years and has had had a change of heart and he said, was the Christian right did you do this and you lose your soul.
Let's not speak about Rob here in terms of your opinion of why he changed. But what you say to that accusation that somehow you guys sold your soul stood to influence this woman and hang on. Let me, I was so passionate about this. Also I didn't bring her back on the air. David so go ahead please yeah you know it's hard for me to hear Rob Shank even because I am very familiar with everything happening behind themes and how I'm not going to talk about him all my dad, my brother about that later, but no one told anybody though myth Norma McCorvey came to know Christ. You experience the love of Jesus, and she had a genuine conversion and was not paid one red cent and and it was it was an amazing time and I spoke to her before she died and I have no idea how soon it was either before or after she did this interview but I was speaking with Miss milk Norma and she was doing fine and I'm telling you I have no idea how someone buddies up to missed Norma three months before she got her however the however long.
All of this took place. It wasn't the over three decades that our family with one of the time when Ms. Norma called me and my brother several months before she passed away and she knew when she needed some support who she could come to what family she could trust, but all of these other things, including Rob Shank just on trustworthy this stuff really bothers me in it. It's hard because I haven't been the documentary for can't really equip abundant clarity on a lot of deactivation, but the Benham family and the real biblical pro-life loving family absolutely do not sell their soul to do anything and did not tell her to be paid out.
We didn't pay her at the time to become a Christian absolute agenda by this is crazy know you think that the gentleman who did this documentary Nick Sweeney to think he has any reason to be accused of bias will go to his website and find out. The documentary don't and then just come in yet so you would see into transgender robot then I'm stuck in the wrong body, children as transgender children and any other things, the minute it, you know, I don't know this guy Nick 24 Adam, all I do know is that he took blood Benham and they were not abundantly clear.
They were not brought with what their intentions were interview from him grab a bunch a statement and a bunch of back and then go and I have no idea how you code Norma got a confession like this I have no idea what that I love. No idea what he did. Perhaps he was talking about her being bold and betrayed by Rob Shank and maybe that's what she was talking about.
I have no idea.
I've even seen it. I don't know any of the details, but I do know that when we posted the video she had a genuine conversion experience and Roe V Wade was birthed an ally and now even without her being alive and we know we know missed Norma very well. She backed off anything backtracking thing that wasn't right. I should set up that way and I should affect this and I lied about that and that was just something that in her and her maturing walk with the Lord.
That was just something that our family dealt with and we walked along side of her and now she can't set the record straight because she's dead and they release this movie after she's dead. Why didn't I get the last 25 years.
Why did they do it that because Ms. Norma would build up at the blowhole on deck away. What kind of gender you push in here and David's. The reason that you are in touch with her a few months before she died was because your friends and family absolutely and and that she was then not affect the as she reached out and she had she had talked with my dad. She wanted my brother cell phone and we talked told her how much we loved her we after all, about how the going impact that you tell us about the little place where she was living in some of the stuff that you doing, but she was really I mean she was frustrated because her health was declining rapidly.
She was frustrated some of the folks that people like the Rob Shank of the world that you know were not always upfront with myth. Norma, but that this is I still Dr. Brown. I'm just I'm I'm really just blown away that there now running with this saying that she was paid to become a convert to Christianity that is a lie that is an absolute line if you want to take biblical Christianity on helping somebody that was just fired from their job because they asked Christ to come into their heart and she was in a lesbian relationship and her lesbian partner desperately needed help in our family put them in in our church helped the port there need if you want to say that that is paying someone all will and out of the lie right out of the pit of hell did you remember a few years ago I got a call from a Christian woman working at Planned Parenthood and was wondering if it was okay to do it or not and when I spoke complaining and said you could never work there another day of your life. She was single parent needed the money. You can never work there another day of your life and I explained I said even though you're at the receptionist at the front your your guilty of working the whole thing and then she began to talk more broke down sobbing about going to the back of the building and seeing the products of conception unit was there, called the baby remains in an and came under deep conviction, and while I was talking to her. One of my colleagues texted me and said hey let's make sure we get her contact info she leaves.
We need to surround the spoon with help what she (she never worked another day. They offered her more money and I called you guys immediately and said, hey, your network, we may need to rally around connected with some of the strong pro-life ladies and then and then ended up she got married and she's got another job at all that the but you guys were there at a critical time she left everything with no hope of any money with no thought of any money she did it because it was right under conviction and she wrote me a couple years later said you saved my life.
I'm not anonymous anymore gave her whole name or storage in its come out afterwards as we Christians do for the world to then say all you gave them financial incentives to leave, especially when they're making a lot more money.
Planned Parenthood is so diabolical. David will yeah what would you say to two folks who are watching this whole thing. They're going to get upset is what we want to redeem this obviously really get your message out dad's message out as much as possible. We got a wonderful two minute clip will will play before this broadcast is over about her conversion experience. But in two minutes.
David if you can speak to everyone we want to redeem this house help what can can be done through this maybe to activate people to get to be pro-life.
Give us a practical step into the takes rather just everybody get angry or or boycott on Hulu. What can we do to save babies to save lives. Well number one we are entered, we are to join the conversation can't be silent because our silent doctor can only bolster this narrative. Another thing that we we need to do is even talk about our own salvation. When the gospel comes into some important shame transforms the data not from you. If that's not some paper plaything and and really the gospel is what center of this and another thing Lane people life, especially when their heavily medicated a specially when they have had just the roller coaster of life as Ms. Norma, you'll become some perfect little think this says everything right all the time and effort for someone to come alongside her. I mean heck, there's even even Billy Graham said something to eat probably would've absolutely love before he passed away any and all of these people this this is just manipulation got to step in and we gotta speak the truth and speak at 11 AM the most redemptive thing of all of the if this is all this only shows how desperate the culture of death has become that they are going to take a dead woman and rewrite her history, rewrite her story and shoehorn it into their perverted narrative into their twisted narrative. That's how desperate they are, because not only do we have conscience on our side because everybody truly understand it's a baby when they fit. We also have Brian on our side and now we have an unbelievable momentum. Dr. Brown at the at the height of the abortion movement. In 1991, there were over 2000 freestanding abortion facility there less than 700 day and not want Roe V Wade is not been overturned. What it is that Christian loving your neighbor as themselves. Loving the Norma McCorvey's of the world and thing if okay you're a lesbian like that's okay.
We love you were here to help you here in Charlotte over 5000 mothers in the last 10 years have chosen our life network and are getting support. They're getting help and if you want to say that paying people to not get an abortion that is a lie from Helen. We will stand against it and it's all this is doing is just mobilizing and magnetizing even more pro-life believers in David what's the best website if you want to find out what can they do to get involved in local city. What are some ideas we would you send them yes you need to go to love life.work.
Love life.organ right now we this is a ministry to Jason and I helped were were on the board and this is a prayer movement across the nation, and it is birthing sidewalk missionaries across the nation to make sure that we have a present-day loving presence to help his mother's at their biggest time of need on sidewalk that at the remaining 700 abortion facility and its plugging them into the Mentor network. It's helping people with fostering adoption love life.or is an amazing thing. We got an initiative we call love life now which means now is the time to assess and help his mother as my friends. I'm convinced God wants to use this in a exemptive way. Tens of thousands pro-life act.
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I want to play one more clip and this is from footbed of the minute God used to lead Norma McCorvey to the Lord you heard from family members flip sons. The new normal, were there when she got converted new her story knew the truth of it.
It's got me very frustrating.
Went live spread and you know how much truth gets out people to believe lies again to believe just to clip a sound bite and here's what I think about it here so that everyone of you will be able to relate to casino but their actual clips of Norma Carver there in the nursing home and she got breathing tube in her nose knows and she's saying that the whole thing was a live sham.
She was pays never real masses is a deathbed confession just throw something out you you can relate to how many of you know, a married couple, you know married couple and for 30 years they seem happily married, and then to the wife shock the husband announces were getting a divorce. I never loved you.
I never ever loved you what this is. He found somebody else and is interested in this other gal, and he's tired of his wife are they been having fights lately and and now in his mind he has reconstructed the last 30 years we've all seen this happen so who knows what was going on in Norma's life at the end of her days and who knows, maybe she actually questions Angel who in the world knows, but we've seen these things happen, which you do those people knew her for years and years and years and years and years and watched her transformation and end with talk about and were in touch with her for years, so check this out this is flip bedtime story and you'll hear things have Norma's own lips when she was introducing her new book. I sent Norma McCorvey and I set a very loud because the police were keeping as far far away, Norma McCorvey, your lie ushered in the wholesale slaughter of over 35 million little baby boys and girls. You ought to be ashamed of yourself and what I spoke those words.
I know that they shall into her heart and comes walking out of nowhere like God himself. Like the Messiah all times, and he's got on his saint and he's he stanching he looks great and tells me this precious and that hurt me and I know it grieve the Spirit of God, and I promised myself that if I ever had another opportunity to speak with her. I would apologize and God provide a better opportunity by allowing us to move here and then one Saturday morning, I hereby saw Miss Norma there was nobody around except me in this officer Miss Norm on the other side. I said Ms. Norma Miss Norma, I need to ask you something.
We set over on that right over there and there.
I asked her to forgive me for those words that I have spoken and you know what she did that one my heart when he said that Finch found that abortion sent Norma's totally wrong I apologize for saying that TI don't even remember if I said anything I would have to look at flip and saying I do remember I went back into the nail. I went into my office and I close my door and turn on my lights and inclined and she began to see that there were people in this place right next to her that did care about Norma McCorvey yeah and she gets born again has a real conversion was in a lesbian relationship.
Yes, when she is fired from working for the abortion organization abortion know when she's fired from that yes Christian stood around her to support as you would expect would happen, but let us pray that this will all be redeemed for the glory of God that we will talk even more about the lie that started this whole saying the lie was raped didn't have an abortion sitting have an abortion.
This is what birth Roe V Wade. That's the lie that burst it but the truth come out about that look like good people in America reckon with that that the case that open the door for the slaughter of tens of millions of babies in America is based on a lie. Let this be a provocation to us to get involved to make a difference in the pro-life movement, 866342's right to shift gears here can take some calls and then I've got another important coronavirus faith church related update for you. But first, to the phones and we start with William in Pleasant Garden North Carolina walking to the line of fire fighter Dr. Brown you're welcome Margaret McCall regarding the peace plan that a president, is initiated with Israel for the change of the temple mount to allow bill of the mosque to come under the Arab control. My question is do you see this as a fulfillment of Zechariah 823 where the 10 men from shall grab hold of the RoboForm Jew and say let let us go with you to worship. Did you explain how you would make that connection. In other words, why you would see any of this peace treaty with having to do with that passage well.
My understanding is when the Saudis take over control of the mosque of their going to allow all nations to come up to worship at the mosque, which of course is never been done. So I see this is a prophetical that that would be yet so okay I understand you think it's number 1 the Muslim authorities have certain control over the mosque in an Israel make sure that nobody violates what is considered to be the sanctity of of that and and in fact it is even hindered Israel's ability to supervise certain things regarding the temple mount because of of Housing Authority control, and in certain areas but the set Zechariah 8 can be read in several different ways.
One is an end time passage because of God's favor on on the Jewish people in Israel, and God bringing all nations to Jerusalem and the millennial kingdom that that when Simmons recognizes a Jew that means there a God fearing person that knows the Lord and and people will follow them and listen to them. That's one way of reading it. Some would read it is a messianic prophecy that that the Jew is the Messiah himself, others would read it in terms of just even now as Jewish believers bring the message of the side to the nations that the people gather and follow to their civil to potentially street. It would certainly know I would not see it anyway related peace treaty and the last thing I would see it related to is this people mouth going to to to the mosque of the Al-Aqsa mosque and dome of the rock in Jerusalem. I would absolutely not see that as all at will and all the nations will have access to that, but to be Muslim to going in there and pray hey thank you for for asking. 86634. I will send North Carolina Michael Louisville. Welcome to the line of fire concerning what you're talking about yesterday about hating directly from the Bible and your talk about the Mormon or not you have to follow the same thing where they have a great additive at all clear, warm, reading more into what you're saying you let me say yes and no.
I know in terms of Catholics do not have books external to what they understand to be the Scriptures of the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Apocrypha, they do not have other books outside of that that they considered to have supernaturally inspired authority the same way as the Bible, whereas the Mormons claim that this book of Mormon was supernaturally revealed to Joseph Smith and his is a divine prophetic revelation just like the Bible is divine, prophetic revelation, so Catholics do not have that but the reason I say the reason I say yes is that for a Catholic tradition is also inspired. Not every tradition but in other words, like one Orthodox Jew once said to be a rabbi. He said for me.
Our traditions are like another book of the Bible. In other words, it is not considered the Bible itself, but it has in the view of a Catholic divine authority. So if I say to a religious Jewish man.
Why is it that you're wearing a yarmulke head covering. That's not in the Bible that all he said. I don't get it from the Bible. I get it from tradition*you have no problem taking off know it's sacred to him right.
If I say to a Catholic, will you why you doing that it's not in the Bible that supports church tradition so church tradition. In that sense has equal authority to Scripture so they don't claim that it's additional Scripture. They don't claim that it's additional Bible, but they do claim that it has divine authority that if if something is been accepted as a church tradition are passed down or canonized in some way that is therefore sacred for a Catholic to violate that would be just the same as violating Scripture.
So there are similarities in that regard, and that's why everyone be being a religious Jew be a Catholic.
Being Eastern Orthodox Butte anyone evangelical Christian whatever traditions we have must be tested by Scripture because it Scripture alone is Scripture, so thanks for asking what bank or clarifying that night, YouTube appreciated 86634 to we go to Iowa Montel, welcome to the line of fire marketing every yeah I can hear you okay? I will regards to our you said yesterday our call and I didn't get you the whole thing because we when I hundred I have hurry up and ask you additional questions such a two-part question the real fact use that I called several weeks ago about your book about the coronavirus. My question to you is you said that there are some problems you the right and some that work okay with that one. I would like to know the one right on and then the second question is regards to the pinnacle art like what what is your you are there prophetic voice there's talking about right okay so Montel the second question I can answer very quickly. I still haven't read any of those prophecies. All I know about it is with the gentleman asked on the phone and he and he wanted to know is, as you rightly said what did I make of the prophecies that there's going to be a great outpouring this year on Pentecost Sunday as I haven't heard them so I haven't haven't had a second to think about looking looking them up and try to see so I can citizen work is haven't seen them but this this much we know if there were clear prophecies that this is going to happen. Some large-scale them will know about it if it happens and will know about it. If it doesn't happen. As for prophetic words that seem to be right on in terms of what's happening with the virus.
There are a couple that got my attention. So we come back on the other side of the break.
I'm going to explain which product prophetic words to write on an accurate and others are freely said not so volume is from the same people. This is right. This is wrong accountability things wrong, it will right that it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown my friends for joining us at 66 so Montel the prophetic word that Tracy Cook had given about everything being shaken. They can be shaken over of 4 1/2 month period beginning of the new year of you know, that's it.
It's not a specific mentioning of virus. But if he was in biblical prophecy it's it's often giving clear generality some of the thing actually happens again that that was real, that seem to be to to be a real word.
You were yet to see if the vaccine comes out of Israel that was supposed to be no major. We shall see now there's been tremendous controversy over the word allege word from Chuck Pierce saying that there would be a platelike test that would would come and it would test us through Passover and then something like that.
Anyway, Justin peters as a whole. Video out on it where he is ghostly documentation contacted Chuck Pierce. His ministry went review not a major prophecies for the previous year and said the whole thing is bogus. He's lying and also Justin is documented, it is best as he could.
I give him credit for really good and that together well. I pursued it on my end and what I discovered was that there were journal entries that Chuck has made known to others. Show them a head show them privately before this should copies of it from you know, etc. written out when they were written that he got this word about a platelike test that was going to come and test the world, etc. if in fact that's accurate this is me out.
Chuck Chuck truck a little better what Chuck okay I trust that the people that did the research work very hard.
I asked them to watch the Justin peters video I take with Justin did very, very seriously. He he put time and effort and energy into that although we differ on a number of points. II think he was as thorough as he could be any exposed a lot of false prophecies and wrong words and wrongheaded words. I don't want to mention it every no-no.
The Chuck Pierce thing is is he he investigated as thoroughly as he could, and I appreciate that. He reached out to them personally as I did the people that did further research because they're going to be writing more about this. They are convinced and they got other people that that verified.
Yes, they saw this, they heard this from Chuck. He just didn't have a release to speak publicly at that time.
I believe they did adequate research. That's all I can say I can say anything beyond that what's what's my own opinion that if in. Obviously if if true, than that would be very accurate. Okay, so when I suggested exposed air. I'm mean some other things that are unfortunate comments of Kenneth Copeland and the thing was called at this hour and stopped and that he amazes false system or didn't happen. Wrong false he was off.
And the subject but the Chuck Pierce thing. I can only say that within the last two days I was sent more information from very very thorough people that are are known to me to to not take an answer until they can verify it and they felt satisfied no iced. I haven't seen everything myself so I'm I'm still in between giving a final verdict is because I haven't I have laminated sent to me to it to look at but Montel that the people who did the research watch Justin's video. I told him everything I knew in terms of checking things out.
Why should be question, so I as Justin knows as I've informed him I was doing my due diligence on this as well. Psychosis of the people who did the investigation are very thorough. Beyond that, we so so stupid of things but look have no problems there were people were off its soul and we have to have more accountability and the other thing is I don't think that God shows us everything is good happen.
Sometimes he does and he does. It's wonderful. Sometimes he prepares us and wants us and and it's wonderful and important. When that happens, all the times we just go by by the wisdom of the word her own life experience and things like that, but thanks for calling Montel and I would suggest that you'll get documentation in the book called the Passover prophecies a Chuck Pierce book that's coming out shortly. You'll be able to research it, study it, look at the evidence for yourself.
So look for that took Pierce the Passover prophecies and a and I'll be conveying all this to justice will have written to them yet but I'll be conveying all this just as well for his further investigation began as much is Justin. I have very deep and profound differences. I appreciate him holding people accountable. I do hate thanks for the call Montel. Okay what should churches do right now. As far as regathering where his face involved worse presumption involved. Where is wisdom involved. What about pushing back against the government. So I've got some articles here of Department of Justice, so will bark, Department of Justice warning that California church closures may violate religious freedoms in a letter to Gavin Newsom and did farm justice is pushing back in state after state's and you are discriminating. You are discriminating against churches sorts of discrimination or wealth. There is a phase 2 reopening of businesses and other services.
Churches not included in that. And then there is a phase 3 in there including phase 3. I've spoken at length to a pastoral calling California who sent me that all the requirements. The onerous demands of what has to happen to have services do things this way this way that way etc. so so it's good that there's pushback because there has been discrimination in certain ways and in their has been overreached from the government and even overkill in terms of medicinal work overkill but going too far into began to this have to this, etc. right so that someone now here's another headline grabbing this here to southern churches forced to reclose after congregants get coronavirus. This is churches in Georgia and Texas. They open up their doors they did social distancing and things like that. Now, several people have come down a number of come down to virus and one is die.
Leaders died in okay what you do with that are heavy sort that have an end and then and then goes all the details. There word about a controversial Christian leader and Cameron laid hands on numbers of people with the virus. Pronounce them healed. Now he has died of the virus himself and other people he pray for wondering what will. But what about them now I understand that when you pray for the sick, you can really feel like I believe I have ever done that.
Pray for someone feeling really believe they were healed and they weren't really thought you believe there healed and and they weren't there even told some.
I believe God sealed you many of us have made mistakes like that in our zeal prayer praying for something else really think it's good happen you're confident.
I believe it.
That doesn't happen okay I condemning this pastor for this. I don't know his heart on about his life.
I don't know if you really felt he was acting in faith and risking his life to pray for people I don't know if he was acting in presumption that's between him and God. I make no judgment of but it it it comes back to questions for us.
This is now several leaders that I know about that. I've read about. That's it.
Were going all of their services. It doesn't matter. God is bigger than this or God can protect us from God can keep us and they are now dead of the virus and I know in other cases, people somewhat of these restrictions for their crazy and everything is being exaggerated in the media is exaggerating and health experts can't get things right. It's a it's a very difficult situation because number one we want to honor God and walk in faith. Number two. We want to love our neighbor and and not carry disease to them.
Number three there there is overreached in certain places by the government and we don't want our essential liberties restricted number four there are larger questions just in terms of economy and and and getting back to work at and and that affects us in many ways so all I can say is, is this number one, don't be reactionary.well government okay. Maybe the government your local government is going too far.
Maybe this on harsher.
Don't react in the flesh. Step back, get God's mind in city after city liberty Council wants differing treatment, even the part of justice there pushing back against the overreach of local governments right so the upper reactionary, but if you need to take a stand and then do it righteously. Do it prayerfully. That's 12. It is dull experiment with faith. I don't don't try out your faith is ill. It's one thing if you say I really believe Jesus healed me. I don't buy glasses anymore. Okay, well then you'll be able to see, but you don't get your car and drive without your glasses to test really know if you can see, you can see want to go off my my insulin because I believe them healed of diabetes feel the diabetes a doctor will verify that for you and then you won't need the insulin right so the point is you don't want to experiment with faith and if as a pastor you're confident before God with a good track record that your acting wisely and safely. Then, even though there can still be restrictions with social distancing things.
Do your best to act with wisdom for the sake of your community in your neighborhood remembering you're not going to know everyone that comes in the door nothing of the medical condition everyone to come to the door again. My own normal reaction to sky and all services get 10 million people in the building distrust, that's my normal faith reaction within you have wisdom with that so pushback in a righteous way against government overreach. Don't try to experiment with your faith. If you do feel it's right to go on with meetings just do them with wisdom for the sake of your community for the sake of your neighbors, and I trust the Lord lawn and bless my friends �30 Thursday a ton of stuff going on and your call sis. Stay right with us