The Line of Fire with Guest Host Stu Epperson

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's time for, The Line of Fire, with your host, activist, author, international speaker, Dr. Michael Brown.

7-8-8-4 is the toll-free number nationwide for The Line of Fire. I'm Stu Epperson, sitting in for my good friend Dr. Michael Brown, who should be back, Lord willing, Monday. He's recovering, and he is extremely grateful for your prayers.

I watched a cool Instagram video with him yesterday updating everyone, and he is very, very grateful for all the support, the love, the prayers. He'll be back soon, live right here in the hot seat of The Line of Fire. In the meantime, I'm asking the question today, all day long, should Christians ever use the words, let's go, Brandon? Now what am I talking about? If you don't know what I'm talking about, I would love to talk to you, and I would love to tell you right now what is going on in the culture. We have some headlines here.

The number is 866-34-TRUTH. I have been talking to people all day about this, and I had Christians who are replaying large crowds. Even one crowd at a church yelled, let's go, Brandon! Now it wasn't during the church service, apparently it was kind of like a conservative family rally for the family, talking about how our freedoms are being taken away.

People are upset at the socialism, the communism, the stuff, the anti-God, pro-abortion, anti-marriage, anti-family agenda of the current political leadership in our country. And some people just are getting flat out angry and vulgar, and they're saying the f-bomb with Joe Biden's initials, FJB. They're saying that, they're posting that, they're not even saying that, they're spelling it out. In fact, in fact, check this out.

People are putting the hashtag FJB, but people are actually spelling the words. I was just at lunch with a good Christian radio partner who was driving through North Carolina, and a guy put up an entire giant sign with the curse words spelled out. The f-bomb, and then Joe Biden.

And he was a fiend, he's got his kids in the car. So he wrote the guy a letter, he said, look, I'm a Christian, I'm driving down the road, and I see this, and I got young ears and young eyes in the car. Will you please take the sign down? Maybe say something different. And so some people have said, well, I'm saying, let's go Brandon, so that, I don't have to say the bad word, I don't have to cuss. And so that's what some of you were saying. So then I read one of my Instagram friends post, and they, very graciously, they said, very graciously, they said, no church, no Christian, should ever utter the words, let's go Brandon. They said, because it's the same as cussing. If you say the words, let's go Brandon, you're cursing, you're using the f-bomb. So do you think that?

Is that true? And so then the next question is, if Christians are upset with the way the government's going, if they're, you know, they see that Joe Biden's rate of approval is below 33 percent, they see these anti-God, just really evil things that some of our political leaders are pressing right now, pushing. They see that, they're like, well, how do I express myself? Well, I don't cuss, I'm not a cursing man. So I say the words, let's go Brandon.

So is it ever okay for Christians to say those words? I want to hear from you, and in the meantime, there is a man of God in the studio who's going to help us sort through this. I've got some headlines here, and I've got some other updates, and I want to hear from you on a Friday. It's almost a little bit like a free-for-all, and I know on Dr. Brown's show, he gets real on Fridays, and you guys pepper him with all kinds of great questions, and so if you've got a Bible question, we'll bat that around. It's a free-for-all, and I know on Dr. Brown's show, it's a very interesting topic today, because we're kind of seeing it as our faith crosses into the culture and into politics, and there's no one that does that quite like a guy named Chris Hughes, who's really a rising star, with his own show. I'm going to let him introduce that. Chris, jump on here.

Grayson, let's get his microphone up. Okay, Chris, welcome to the line of fire. Hey, Stu, it's exciting to be on the line of fire today. Well, you jumped into the fire.

And that's what I hear. You pulled me right into it. Well, I had to pull him into it. What an easy topic that you threw me into.

Well, this is big time. Now, let me actually put the mic right on your chin and tell me what is... Tell everyone the name of your new program. It's launching nationwide.

It's pretty hot. There's a podcast, Stu. Yeah, it's called The Christian Perspective with Chris Hughes.

We're going to launch in February. It's going to be a great new program, Stu, where people can come on and learn how to... What does the Bible say on issues like abortion, homosexuality, or let's go, Brandon? What does the Bible say about these kind of issues, and how can we apply that in our daily lives and have a biblical worldview? Biblical worldview is just the lens through which we see the world and live our lives. And as Christians, that lens needs to be through the lens of the Bible, where we can understand what God's Word says and apply it to every facet of our life. And the topic you're talking about today, let's go, Brandon, is that really what a Christian should be saying and doing? There you go.

So we're going to look at both sides of that. We want to take your calls at 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. If you're a Christian and you like saying the words, let's go, Brandon, call us and tell us why. If you think a Christian should never say that, it should be off limits.

Like, just literally the last three people I interviewed, I talked to you out there, Truth on the Streets, they said, this is terrible. Christians should never say that. It's just like cussing. And so let's explore that, Chris. So let's talk about that for a second, because you obviously are a believer. You don't think Christians should use those words?

Right. I mean, because you're saying the Bible tells us that we need to pray for our leaders, Stu. And I don't agree with hardly anything that President Biden stands for or does, but he is a leader and God's given him the opportunity to be in this position now. And I believe that we should be praying for his salvation and praying for God to give him guidance.

I mean, can you imagine, Stu, if President Biden got saved, the impact that it could have on our culture and our world. So what are we doing when we say let's go, Brandon, and for maybe some of the listeners, and I came in late here in the studio, I don't know if you explained, but what happened is several months ago, a race car driver was being interviewed. Did you cover that? I heard it. Well, no. Tell us the story. This is the history of it.

This is why it's important. So a race car driver. Smarter people than you on the show. The race car, this race car driver was being interviewed by a reporter. And what had happened is the week or two prior to that across at different sporting events, not just NASCAR, across the country, people started screaming.

And I'm not going to use the word, but basically F Joe Biden. But they weren't saying if they were saying the real world word. So when this reporter was interviewing this race car driver, whose name is Brandon, she said, oh, listen, the fans love you so much. They're shouting, let's go, Brandon. But that's not what they were shouting.

They were shouting the F Joe Biden. So people adopted. So let me ask you this, OK, say you're a believer. Let me take the devil's advocate.

OK, this is very sensitive. I mean, I may have I may be unfriended and unlike by all kinds of people once they figure out what they're trying to pin me down in a position. But I'm literally trying to as neutrally as possible. Let me tell you the long game on this show today, the long game on this show today is we want Christians to think biblically, to speak biblically and to, yes, pray for their leaders. And of course, you know, avoid profane language, avoid foolish things like the scriptures, you know, command. And I'm glad you're here with, you know, so I can put you in the hot seat on this. Chris Hughes with your biblical worldview program. But here's supposing you're a believer and supposing you're very unhappy with how the government is is really literally, you know, they're driving a communist agenda.

They're literally just destroying our economy, as it were. And, you know, your eggs aren't in this basket. You're you're heaven bound. But you want to be a light and light. But in your with your freedom of speech, you want to express yourself. You want to express disdain. You're like, well, I don't curse. I never curse. I don't want to curse on anything to do with cursing. But all I can say, let's go, Brandon, instead of dropping the F bomb. So that way it's a way it's a clean way of saying it.

Maybe like instead of, you know, using, you know, G.D. saying, you know, golly darn it, like a lot of Christians do or a lot of Christians will say stink or, you know, or snap. You know, remember my daughter Hope when she was little is kind of cool. All our friends were saying snap. I'm like, that's kind of cool or flippin. Yeah. Well, you know, so when you start getting the flippin and you started getting into freaking. Yeah. Then you start getting into, you know what I'm saying? Like that's like sounds like it.

Let's go, Brandon. Sounds nothing like, you know, the F bomb or the name Joe Biden. OK, so. So I'm just saying that's how people think.

And they're like, look, I'm just expressing my my freedom of speech to show that that I am not going to bow to to to an evil regime. But then again, you've got people say if you say that you're cussing. So let's get some callers in here.

Eight, six, six, three, four, truth, eight, six, six, three, four, eight, seven, eight, eight, four. And I would love for you if you're against it to say what's a good alternative. Throw your ideas out there. And if you think it's OK, tell us why. And and we'll have a good conversation. That's the other thing I love about this program. We're having a conversation and we're talking.

We're loving each other. And because our ultimate goal is to point people to Jesus Christ. By the way, am I going to not say that if it's going to cause my brother to stumble? Just like I won't eat meat at the end of Chapter eight of of First Corinthians. He said, I'll eat no meat if it caused my brother's double.

So it could be a weaker brother issue, too. So instead of, you know, blasting it in front of everybody, we should take pause on that. So we're going to jump all the way to Texas and we're going to talk to David. And David, you are on the air. God bless you. Thanks for calling in. Hey, God bless you, Stu.

I'm a pastor down here in Corpus Christi, Texas. And in fact, I did a podcast episode about this very subject. Oh, my.

And yeah, on restoring your voice. Yes. And I completely disagree with any use of it. Okay.

People are looking for alternatives. And I can give a biblical alternative, all right? Yes, sir. So in the Bible, it says to pray for those who are in authority, right? They didn't say we like them. We agree with them.

In fact, the Roman government at the time was the most oppressive government the world had ever seen up to that point, correct? Yes, sir. So in fact, the words of Jesus says, pray for your enemies. Wow. And so if people, and they may rightly see it, Joe Biden as an enemy, however, we are supposed to pray for him.

Wow. And yes, I'm going to be controversial to many. Bless him according to the words of Jesus. I didn't say it. Bless those that persecute you. I mean, look, you know, it's interesting, David, you're bringing these verses up. We like these verses when it comes to like, like, kind of like one of those enemies that's maybe a little more practical, maybe on the basketball court. We don't like this verse when it comes up in politics, because a lot of Christians, they do bifurcate, and this is why Chris Hughes is so strong. Chris, Christians, like, sometimes they're leaving their faith to go into the voting booth, and that swings both ways.

They're voting for evil candidates with evil agendas, but on the other side, they're not a good testimony in how they're treating their opponents. Shouting them down. Chris, comment on David. This Pastor David, he has spoken. What do you say? Pastor David, I agree with you.

I think it lowers, it makes us lower ourselves to their level, so we've got to take a stand and not say it. David, thanks for your call. More calls.

We've got a line open at 866-34-TRUTH. Hang on. Michael Brown. In honor to sit in the hot seat in the line of fire, Stu Epperson in for my good friend, Dr. Brown, who is recovering and doing great on his way back.

Lord willing, Monday, back in his chair, and he is very grateful to all of you for all your prayers. I can't think of three words that have made more Christians mad at each other, from social media to in the church, and these three words are, let's go Brandon. And the instant gut reaction, knee-jerk reaction, from a lot of people I talk to, I'm gonna play a couple clips from Truth on the Streets.

I talked to people out there earlier. They say, well, that's just like cussing, because it's the substitute for the f-bomb in front of Joe Biden's name. But then the other side is saying, well, look, it's just a free speech thing, and if I wanted to cuss, I would say the f-bomb, but I'm not a cusser. I want to honor God with my speech, and I want to speak my free speech and speak my frustration with the government, so that's why I'm saying it. And how dare you call me cussing, Chris Hughes?

Stu, I don't know, and I don't want to laugh about the cussing part, because I'm on the side of saying that we as Christians should not say that. But did you see in the news a couple of weeks ago, President Biden was interviewing a veteran. He was going to some ribbon cutting or something, talking to a veteran.

At the very end, the veteran said, thank you, Mr. President, for helping veterans. And by the way, let's go, Brandon. And President Biden himself said, yes, let's go, Brandon.

I support, let's go, Brandon. So should we pick on him? I mean, he shouldn't cuss like that. How dare a sitting president use that kind of language? But so anyway, I mean, we say golly and gosh and doggone and Bobby Bowden, dadgummit. He still say dadgummit an average of 1,800 times in one 20-second interview, two-minute interview, you know? But what a great man of God he was, and I'm glad he said dadgummit, you know? I'm glad he didn't use the foul language.

But there are Christians. I grew up with people that, literally, I grew up with people that if I said, oh my goodness, literally, they put me on a timeout when they babysat. They were babysitters.

Very conservative. And by the way, now I like that. You know, back then I wasn't happy.

I wasn't a happy camper, but I'm glad someone had some standards and values. But my point is, I said, well, why do you keep putting me on a timeout for saying, oh my goodness, you know, I'm probably what, seven, eight, nine years old? They're like, because only God is good. And when you say, oh my goodness, or oh my gosh, or golly, or, or doggone it, or gosh darn it, you're saying you're cussing without cussing. Right?

And so it's almost like, so we say things like snap or, you know, or something harmless like the dadgummit that, you know, Bobby Bowden popularized. Well, isn't, let's go, you know, Brandon, someone that's kind of conservative and Christian and wanting to speak out, is that their way of doing it? So we've got the calls coming in.

We have one line open at 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. Chris Hughes, nationally syndicated talk show host with The Christian Perspective is with us. The new show is launching soon, but you already have a podcast, right?

Tell everyone what it's called. We've had a podcast since June. It's called The Christian Perspective with Chris Hughes.

You can find it at the Truth Podcast Network. So speaking truth in these issues is so important, which is why we're on the air today and why we're so glad you're calling in. And we're talking to Spence. Spence, jump on in the hot seat, my friend. Welcome to the show. Hey, how's it going? Great, man. What do you think? Well, you know, I agree that Christians possibly should be encouraging more and not say that, but I also find that considering the gravity of the situation America finds in, I find it kind of a trivial manner to even be discussing, considering some of the threats for the faith-based families and people going on in America, you know?

Yeah, yeah. You know, that's an interesting comment, and I think that what we're trying to do is take something that is very trivial, seemingly trivial, but it has to do kind of with, you know, Jesus said, out of the heart the mouth speaks. So what comes out your mouth is a reflection of your heart. And so, you know, so how do we address this at the heart level, and how do we keep this kind of subject topic from getting people, you know, keeping Christians from strangling each other? I mean, when this church had a... it was a guy like a Chris Hughes, like you, speaking. It was a conservative Christian rally for the family in a church. It wasn't a church service. It wasn't the Sunday morning worship.

And some folks chanted, let's go, Brandon. They were talking about, you know, how the government is literally trying to make abortion more. They're trying to destroy families and marriage and all that. Right, so suddenly, I mean, the fire back from, I mean, the reaction from all kinds of Christian leaders, like, how dare they say those words in a church? Christians should never utter those words. So, I mean, I'm telling you... Well, that's the whole point of the let's go, Brandon, is with the faith, you know, people that have... that they don't want to say that, they've, you know, kind of...

Right. They say, let's go, Brandon. So what does a Christian... so if it's not... if a Christian is not going to curse, and a Christian is not going to say, let's go, Brandon, because now all the other Christians are saying, you say that, you're wrong.

What do they say, Chris Hughes? I think Christians should really... I think they should really take a look at where they fit into the political landscape a little bit more. You know, people of God don't really have a place in politics. And especially in these times, they're going to come... people are going to come to find that.

But Spence, why do you say that? Why do you think that Christians don't have a place in politics? Are you saying we shouldn't be involved? I don't think Christians have a place in the current landscape of politics, because there's nothing godly about some of the situations that these people are pushing, and it's not just a Republican or a Democrat. That's kind of playing the devil's advocate. Why don't more believers run for office? What about godly people like Congressman Mark Walker, who loves Jesus and shares Christ on the Hill with other people? He's friends with people that aren't his party. He's friends with liberals, because he wants to lead them to Christ, and he's gracious about it, and he's not mean-spirited. What about Christians being redemptive even in politics?

Is it possible? Chris Hughes, you think it is, don't you? Yes, I do. And that's exactly what... and people are starting... you're starting to see Christian people getting involved in that, and that's why they're quabbling over, should you say, let's go Brandon or not? Yeah, makes it true. I mean, really, that's sort of a trivial trivial matter at this point. All right, hey, I appreciate your call, Spence. I think they've already took the vulgarity out of it, and people are just, you know, saying what they believe.

This is America, you know? Yeah, okay, very good. Spence thinks it's a bit trivial. God bless you. Good to hear from Spence, and a little other perspective.

He thinks, hey, they're saying something that's clean, so they don't have to cuss, but they can express their frustration with the current regime, which has an evil agenda for certain, and so what about that? Let's see what Laura says. Laura, you're on the line of fire.

Stu Everson in for Dr. Brown. Now, if someone else wants to call in, talk about this. We'd love to hear from you. 86634-TRUTH, 86634-87884. Should Christians ever say the words, let's go Brandon?

Spence doesn't think it's that bad a deal. What does Laura think? Good afternoon, my brother. You're worth the wait to hang out with you right now. Well, God bless you. Thanks for saying that. We like hanging out with you too.

Oh, that's who's looking at me through the radio. Anyway, as Christians, we need to remember who we are. To me, you know, that's how I feel. We're children of God now.

We're in this world, but we're not of it, and we're just, you know, not just putting cliches or verses, I mean, we're just in this world passing through. That's a great point. And to encourage each other does not take any effort at all.

To pray for each other doesn't take any effort, and it, you know, makes me feel better, you know? As far as, just keep it simple these days. What about that, Chris Hughes? I mean, Laura, do you think that's wrong when they're basically taking a cuss word, they're using a different term, but they're still basically saying, if the President of the United States. What if they're not, what if that's not what they mean? Because if they were saying that, they'd say that. To Spence's point.

No, that's what they mean. Okay, all right, we got some pretty strong feelings. I agree with you, Laura. Well, let me tell you what Laura said that everyone should agree on.

As believers, we are in the world not of it, and that should impact how we communicate, and so we got to take that very seriously. Laura, thanks for calling in. We're going to talk to Russ, and if you want to jump in to the line of fire, it's 866-348-7884. Russ, you're on the air. I'm Stu Epperson, and for Dr. Brown, jump on in here, my friend.

Hi guys, great show, thanks. Yeah, Jesus was salt and light. He wasn't afraid. He would go in and say, you whitewashed tombs. He would go in and say, you brood of vipers. He said it like it was, he wasn't afraid, and Let's Go Brandon has so much more meaning than just F Joe Biden, that, you know, to say that's it and call it that is to miss out on a lot of the points that it conveys.

Okay. When he spoke, you know, there was so much meaning there, and to mean it, if somebody was going to say, like you said, F Joe Biden, they would just say it. So he said it the word, okay, what is Chris, why do you say that? Because there are people that say, like in the early days of America, when this oppressive British regime was putting the, you know, their vice grip on everything, there was a revolt, and it's a good thing there was a revolution. There was a revolution.

And it's a good thing there was a revolution or we wouldn't be here. And so Christians, you know, communicating kind of along Russ's line are saying, hey, look, this is kind of our expression to say, hey, we will not tolerate this type of oppressive regime and immorality. But Chris, what do you think? Well, Russ, do you think that's hurting a Christian testimony, though, when a large part of the public sector sees it as F Joe Biden? Do you think it's hurting a Christian's testimony when particularly like Stu is saying a group of people were yelling it in a church service? No, because if you tell somebody that it's offensive, what you're doing is you're using the tyranny of the offended. I'm offended, therefore, whatever I say goes, because now I've taken the moral high ground. Okay, that's got to be able to say it. And you've got to be able to say it in a way, you know, without being put down about it, because that might not be what you mean.

Okay, let me throw that wrinkle out there and get some callers on that. Russ, I appreciate your call. There is a heightened sense of which, well, you can't say anything anymore without offending somebody. So, again, you know, the whole idea, Chris, we're coming up on a break, I believe. Russ, God bless you.

Thanks for your call. We're going to keep this going, the whole idea of, well, how far do I go out of my way, right, to not offend people? And they're going to be offended no matter what I say. If I say, I love Jesus, they're going to be offended. So, but maybe we should say that.

If we said that as much as, let's go, Brandon, maybe a revival would break out. 866-34-TRUTH, What Say You? More coming up on this controversial topic on the Line of Fire. It's the Line of Fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. And then there's that argument. There's that argument we say, well, if everyone's doing it, well, do I do it? You're in a crowded room. You're in a crowded room with a bunch of maybe like-minded folks, conservatives, maybe a bunch of Christians. Maybe you're in a big church auditorium or something, and you hear everyone else saying, let's go, Brandon. So you say, let's go, Brandon. And for all you know, you're saying, hey, I'm against what's going on up there.

We want to change. Well, a lot of Christians are deeply offended because the original thing they were chanting is they were chanting the F-bomb, Joe Biden. And so we're talking about that right now in the Line of Fire.

Is it ever okay for Christians to say these words? 866-348-7884. 866-344-TRUTH. Now I'm going to get a selfie. Now these guys are doing a pretty good job dressing up, Chris. But Chris, we got to get a selfie with that wound. We got to show the scars because we got to show that this is real tough radio here, man. I got to put this on my Instagram, okay?

So we're going to do a selfie and put it on my story. You got to show this. Let me see that. Let me see that gash, man. You really want to see it?

Yeah. I want to see the bandage. We don't want to see the raw wound. You know, we can't take that. But hey, Christian radio is tough, guys.

Chris Hughes, with a Christian perspective. Everyone wave real quick. We got a lot going on.

Stu took me to the woodshed this morning. Well, we're having a lot of fun. Look at that. Just look at that. Look at it.

Awesome. So we're talking about the words, let's go, Brandon. Should Christians ever say those words? I mean, you know, what about this guy?

Are we over sensitive to the weaker brother? We're just going to stay in our closet all day. Is it a clean way for Christians to express their disdain for the the regime? Is it a clean, harmless way instead of cussing? Because a guy earlier said, well, what if I don't cuss?

If I meant, if I wanted to curse the president, I would curse the president. But I'm saying this to say, hey, I'm not happy with what's going on, but this is a kind of child-friendly way of saying that. You know, you're in the stands. Ref makes a bad call. The crowd chants BS. We know what they're saying. I don't chant that as a believer.

Right. But I might be upset about that call because my team's about to lose. I'm not going to cuss, but I might, I might, maybe I shouldn't boo, but I would say, hey, what are you thinking? Come on, man. You know, someone give that guy some glasses. He can't see anything, you know.

So what does a Christian do when it comes to this word? Chris Hughes with The Christian Perspective is with me, and we are going to talk to Clarence. Clarence, hey guys, be quick with your comment. We don't have a whole lot of time.

We've got a whole lot of callers at 866-34-TRUTH. Stu Epperson in for The Recovering Michael Brown. Dr. Brown will be back soon.

Lord willing, Monday on the line of fire. Clarence, what say you? Welcome to the show.

All right, thank you. Well, there's three points I want to make as quick as I can. I like to think that I'm intelligent enough. I don't have to use cuss words or code words to get my point across. I've never had to. If I say a joke, I don't have to use, you know, I don't have to cuss to make the joke funny or anything.

That's one. The other thing is, what if there was a song or something insulting women or people of color? Is it okay to say, well, I didn't say that. I can tell you now, I'm a black man, and there's certain words that if I heard, you don't have to explain what you meant.

If you said them around me, you might be in a lot of trouble. And the other thing is that, and I think the biggest thing in America is a lot of times we call people Christians that aren't really Christians, Christ-like. Is this something that Christ would do? A lot of people really aren't Christians, but we want to call them Christians because they live in Christ.

Wow, that third point's strong. Chris Hughes jumped up right when you said that. Chris, what do you say to Clarence? Yeah, brother, I think you're right on, and you're spot on, and all we've got to do is look at God's Word. When we're trying to develop a biblical worldview of what we should do and what we should say, Matthew 12 verse 37 says, For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. And I just believe that when we say that we are condemning, we're cursing the president. And I don't mean cursing by the curse word, but in the biblical sense, if you're saying F the president, no matter how you do it, you're putting a curse on him. I'd much rather see us as Christians concentrate our efforts on praying for the for the president, praying for him to get saved.

And I'm glad I'm not glad that we're using the word, but I'm glad that it's drawing attention to the changes and the differences that we have in our political process and what's going on. But how about we as Christians direct those efforts and get involved instead of saying, Let's go, Brandon, how about we go down and register to vote? How about we pray for candidates and recruit candidates to run for office? How about we help candidates like you mentioned Stu earlier, Congressman Mark Walker, men of God who are taking a bold stand for Jesus on the public realm.

We could get involved in other ways in putting a curse on the president. OK, Clarence, thanks for your call. Really appreciate you articulating three points on a on a national radio show. You've got me impressed and encouraged. And let's let's take another caller.

God bless you, my friend. Let's see. Let's go to Brooks. I got Brooks on the line. I got a line open at eight, six, six, three, four. Truth to Christians ever utter the words.

Let's go, Brandon. Are they in fact cursing or are they just saying, hey, I want to express myself without cursing? And that's why I'm glad to say that. Or is the is it so is that is the language so colored toward the vulgar language that no one understands otherwise?

And it's why a lot of people are upset. Brooks, jump on in here and help us sort this out, will you? Well, I can't really help you sort this out.

I want to thank you for accepting my phone call. Yes. But I have a question. Is this is this is this the best we can do with our time and energy to advance the kingdom of God? I mean, if we're in a room and I'm and I'm kind of going to go along with what Clarence said, if we're in a stadium enjoying a sport or even if we're at church and we're around other self-proclaimed Christians, is this the best that we can do to advance the kingdom of God? Or is there someone near us who we could witness to?

Yeah, I love that question. I mean, Chris, are we are we just are we kind of like missing the whole point here? You know, is this is this become a big distraction?

I think in some ways it is a distraction. But Christians do need to be involved in the political process, but not in an evil way. I gave a verse a while ago. I'll go back to God's word again. Ephesians four twenty nine says, Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying and that which may minister grace to the hearers. Are we ministering grace to others when we say something that means if the president United States, are we edifying him when we say OK, that's exactly why we're doing this show today on this topic.

And I'm glad you called Brooks. God bless you. Thanks for taking it to the next level. Why not sharing the Lord with someone else? Why not using this topic as a way to say, let's talk about what's really important, because let's suppose your guy's president. If he doesn't know the Lord, if you're not growing closer to Christ, you know, it's like, what's the point of all?

What is the profit you gain in the whole world? Lose your own soul. And with that, we're going to jump over to Doug. We lost Doug. Let's go out to Utah and talk to Skip, listening to us on AMA20 and 95.3 FM and the new 103.9 FM, The Truth Network in Utah. Skip, God bless you. Thanks for calling the line of fire. God bless you. Thanks for taking my call. What do you think about this, Skip?

Jump on in here. I don't mean to be ignorant, and I don't have every verse, you know, memorized, but I do believe that it does say that we as sinners and, you know, there was only one perfect man to walk this earth, and that was Jesus. We have the right to be angry when things, you know, are, you know, with what's going on, I think that people do have the right to be angry. If I think if, you know, what they're saying is, let's go, Brandon is the worst, I think that we could do a lot worse.

But, you know, it does say that we're supposed to feed our enemy when he's hungry and give him something to drink when he's hungry, so that's most important as a Christian. Well, at least we can say the words, let's go, Brandon, on the radio without losing your FCC license. There you go. I mean, I'm glad about that, it's just the impression that word has on people that it's... I'm not completely sold that it's a vulgar curse word, because it's not.

If I want to say a vulgar curse word, I'd say a vulgar curse word, and so I almost... Can I ask a question on it? Yes, sir. How do you feel about that? What does it say exactly, remind me please, about, you know, us as Christians having the right to be angry when things that aren't right are going on? Well, that's a great quote. Chris quoted from Ephesians 4, if you go back a little bit, it talks about be angry but sin not, let not the sun go down upon your wrath. So there's a holy indignation Jesus demonstrated, I believe the apostle Paul demonstrated if you read Galatians and how he goes after them, but in a redemptive, you know, holy, sanctified anger. So absolutely, the question is, are we gonna get in the mud with the pigs? You know, are we gonna be in the world and not of it? Are we gonna be, as Christians, are we gonna fight in a gracious way?

Stand up for what's right, but do it in a humble gracious way. I think that's what you go out a lot, Chris Hughes, with your national program, The Christian Perspective. Right, and I think he has a good point. We do have a right to be mad as Christians. We should be mad at the sin of the world, but really, we need to be mad at ourselves. The Church of Jesus Christ has allowed the situation that we're in today. We sat by quietly for years, you know, it's all fun to have this slogan now, but for years, just like the previous caller, one of the primary responsibilities of every Christian is to tell other people about Jesus. And the only way to truly impact the culture for Jesus is to lead other people to Jesus. And we have not done a good job of that. We pushed evangelism aside, and we've set by quietly why 63 million babies have been brutally murdered through abortion. We we've been sitting by quietly while people destroy the traditional family, and it's time for us to take a stand. But I don't know that Let's Go Brandon is a way that we take that stand. Yeah, so the anger, and that's where you, you know, that's where you walk with Christ, you're walking in Christian community, you have anger problems.

It doesn't justify it. We need to get, we need to be discipled in that, and we need to let the Holy Spirit work through us in that. And so we got to, you know, my old Bible professor used to be an ump for a church softball league, and these are churches that believe the Bible.

He said he heard the worst language, and he saw the most violent anger he'd ever seen umping a church softball league. Now I say shame on us, I say shame on me, because we should compete, but we do it in a Christ-like way, and that also applies to this sticky, crazy maze of politics. Skip, thanks for your call from Utah. God bless you. Great question. Stay tuned.

We got more of this going around. 866-348-7884. If you want to take a line on the line of fire, I'm Stu Epperson, in for my good friend, Dr. Michael Brown, Chris Hughes, with a national radio show called The Christian Perspective, that's launching nationwide. He's already got a podcast. He's already on some radio stations, too, with a great program. He's with me. Throw out your website one more time, Chris.

Folks are gonna ask me out. It's christianperspective.us. christianperspective.us. Now Doug's held on for some time. I want to get you in here, Doug, right before the break. Fire your missile at us, and we'll try to recover during the break, and come right back to it after the break. Jump in, Doug. Go. All right, thank you very much for taking my call.

I agree with the last three callers that I've heard on hold. First of all, we got to analyze what are we saying, and why are we saying it? Are we actually, is it beneficial? I mean, is saying that beneficial?

Is saying that going to be a good disciple, a good Christian, is that going to actually lead somebody to Christ? Second of all, love your enemies. Pray for those that persecute you. Paul talks in multiple books about being subject to our authority.

And finally, we have to remember, Jesus died for people like Joe Biden also. That's, I mean, we're all in the same boat. We need to just... Okay, wow. Chris, I see you nodding over there. You're having a hard time disagreeing with Doug. Doug, thanks for your call.

Wow. What say is we going to the break? It's a powerful statement that we do need to be witnesses for Jesus, and we need to be praying for him.

And when we come back, we're going to talk more about, is it okay to say, let's go, Brandon? Hang on, War on the Line of Fire, coming up after this. It's the Line of Fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Get into the Line of Fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Okay, and then in comes this text. I mean, you thought we had this thing figured out. Last five callers are saying, never, you know, you shouldn't use that language. It's offensive. And, you know, to say, let's go, Brandon, is the equivalent of cursing.

And of course, earlier, some callers said, we don't think that. But then this guy texts, he says, look, that expression means much more than than just bleep Joe Biden. It is calling out the fact that the media is so biased, and that we're going to battle, and blaming the church for everything that goes wrong is not appropriate. It's a polite way to make a stand. Obviously, our role is to bring people to Christ, but there are times when we have to make a stand against evil.

So that's what a caller who's a conservative Christian, who's not angry or mad or, you know, being vindictive, but that's what he just said about that expression saying, look, it's a clean way to say, hey, there's a there's a there's a whole lot of evil going on there. And so for instance, for instance, during this, this massive trial about this kid who defended himself against the pedophile who attacked him to kill him, he shoots the guy, and he's completely, you know, then, you know, vindicated, you know, what is his name, Josh, the Rittenhouse kid? Okay, yeah, well, okay, that trial was for everyone to see, see the kid crying, see all that. But there's another trial going on that fact all kinds of corrupt politicians, some in power, some not in power anymore, were their hands were were bloodied with children and sex slavery.

And there was a gag order on the sex slave trial with this gazelle, this, you know, this is this man, this man's mistress who set up arranged all this awful sexual slavery and just trafficking and evil stuff. No one heard about that trial. The networks, not even the conservative networks, hardly reported it.

It's because there were too many politicians tied up in it. Many, you won't, you still won't hear about it. And they have covered the Biden Justice Department, the DOG has has put a stifling, they've smothered that whole trial. So none of the names of the corrupt Democrat white male oppressors and men who were complicit in Epstein's Island, all of those guys are covered.

Now you go dig and you go look and you have, there's a lady that covered the whole thing called House and Habitat on Instagram. She is not a, she does not profess to be a believer or to be a part of the right wing. But she's aghast that all of these people, white male Democrat leaders are getting off scot-free.

But Gazelle took the hit. Yeah. And if it had been the other side, Stu, if it had been a Christian that had done that, they'd be all over publicizing, but they're covering up because they want to protect their own. But then, but even then, does that justify using the language?

Let's go, Brandon. It's a nicer way of saying what others are saying, which is horrible. But Christians are struggling, you know, because they're saying, well, that, you know, that that's like cussing. So if you say it, you've cussed and other Christians say, well, I didn't cuss. That's why I said that because, you know, I'm upset. But so, oh, Chris. Well, I think the text that you just read is symptomatic of many Christians. There are a lot of people out there who don't even know, you know, the story I shared from the NASCAR race. They don't know what it means.

They, they just believe in the concept, like your, your texture said of, you know, we've got problems here and we need to do something about it. Call in numbers, 866-34-TRUTH. I'm Stu Epperson, a special guest, Chris Hughes here, guest hosting today for my good friend, Dr. Michael Brown, who is recovering, appreciates all your prayers. He'll be back Monday.

God willing. We're going to go to more calls. The numbers 866-34-TRUTH. Now, as we kind of get to the, to the downward to kind of bring the plane in for landing trajectory of the show, we asked you to keep your comments as brief as you can. And we're going to thank Carl for hanging on so long.

866-34-TRUTH. If you want to jump into the line of fire real quick, before we get out of here, Carl, you're on the air. Yes. Yes, sir. How are you? Great.

Thanks for calling in. Good. Look, I really think it's kind of silly, and if I was to go to a church where either one was, then either one of those things, I probably wouldn't join either one of them, because the gospel's about more than that, and it's kind of just silly to be talking about stuff like that. Yeah.

I mean, it's like you, you got off the main river and got thrown down some tributary, and just staying on that. Yeah, Chris, let me ask you, I mean, is this the whole thing an attack to the enemy to divide us and to get us into the trivial things, kind of to be tossed to and fro? Does it reflect a lot of immaturity, maybe, in the body of Christ, to have this as such a controversy? I mean, social media, it's just sad to see Christians upset and other Christians, you know, just jumping right in. Well, I think people jump on the bandwagon, and Carl, thank you for calling, we appreciate you waiting. You know, when you look at it, I don't know, Stu, it's sad to see what's happening in the church, but in one sense it's a wake-up call, but another way it's a distraction, because we're over here fooling with this instead of concentrating on what the Bible charges us. What if we spent this whole hour praying? We have people calling and praying for the president. Or what if we said, pray for Job?

I was thinking about that when we started the show. Yeah, that's another thing. What could you yell instead of that that would be, you know, so, but then you also don't want someone to say, well, you're cussing, because you're chanting something, you know, so you got to choose your words carefully, sir. Nancy, you might just be our last call today, because we are almost out of time, but thanks for calling the line of fire, Nancy, you're on the air.

Hi, I'll keep it brief. A couple of things is, I really believe Jesus loves people, and it's the sin that he hates, and so you shouldn't be saying things that are like throwing rocks or, you know, cursing other people. I really think it is, we should be all praying, we should be having a revival and trusting God that he's going to intervene. And, you know, we're supposed to be praying for those in authority. It didn't say we had to agree with them, but it says to pray for them for peace for us. Okay.

So that's my opinion. I appreciate your call, Nancy, God bless you, and I don't, can't think of anyone that's disagreeing with that, but what do you want to say to that? Well, Nancy, I appreciate that. We do need to pray, and I would challenge our listeners, I mean, this is, Dr. Brown has a huge audience. We need to be praying for the salvation of our president and other leaders and pray that God will give them guidance. But specifically, I want to challenge you to pray for their salvation.

There does come a time when we have to take a stand against evil, but I don't know that chanting, let's go, Brandon is a way to take a stand. There are ways for us to get involved. There are ways for us to register, to vote, to witness to other people. And the only way to change the culture is to change the hearts and minds of people where they will turn their hearts and minds back to Jesus Christ, and that's what we're trying to do here at The Truth Network.

Yeah, and I appreciate that word, and you know, here's the deal. The bottom line truth on this, and Chris, I want you to weigh in, and I want you to talk a little bit about, because this is kind of where you're going on the Christian perspective. We have a whole army of young people.

Your daughter's in here, 20 years old, you know, aspiring student, doctor, you know, future neurosurgeon, but there's so many young people that are tragically buying into communism. They're looking for a void to fill, and I think sometimes they see the body of Christ as a bunch of angry, you know, angry conservatives, you know, chanting and yelling. And again, I'm not denigrating those that Christians that are in good conscience, you know, they're praying through this thing, and they don't find those words offensive like others do. But Chris, will you take us to a higher level for us, please, real quick, and give us kind of a bottom line in here, will you? Well, I would just challenge the body of Christ. We've shared several verses today, and callers have to this not glorifying God when you're basically cursing the president of the United States. Now, on the other hand, you will hear me on a national level taking a stand against the policies.

I don't support his policies on hardly anything, but I don't want to say F the president of the United States. I want to see him come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ. But you can get involved today. You can be involved by praying for your president. You can get involved by getting involved in your local community. You know, the school boards right now, which I know this show is not about, but elections are coming up this year, and we need to turn our school boards around for Jesus.

And that's something that every one of you can do in your own local community. You can pray for and recruit Christian candidates. You can support Christian candidates. It's time to elect godly men and women to public office. And when we do that, we won't have to worry about disagreeing with the policies of the president or anybody else. If we can unite as the body of Christ, which we have not been effective at doing, we need to quit fighting with each other and take a stand as the body of Christ and tell the world about Jesus. I love what this gentleman said earlier at lunch. What do you think about all these Christians yelling?

Let's go, Brandon. Is that is that appropriate for Christian to do? What say you know? The Bible says we're supposed to pray for those in authority over us and the church. We really have to make a separation between the world and who we are. And we just stay separate from the world and keep keep our stand with God and keep our salt. But Jesus said if the salt loses its flavor, it's good for nothing.

And we are the preservants of the world. We're preserving America as born-again believers, and we got to make a stand to keep America standing firm and strong, because without us, America is doomed. Boy, he's preaching it right there. How about that guy?

I've got some other ones. I didn't get a chance to play them, but the goal, really, and the gentleman on the show yesterday, we talked about how if every Christian would just share their faith, what kind of revival would break out? If every Christian would think about the unbelievers all around us, and I'm more concerned, I'm more anxious and excited about politics and vote in the voting thing than I am about leading people to Jesus. But I think what you're talking about with your show Christian perspective nationwide, Chris Hughes, is you're trying to say, look, it doesn't have to be either or. The church doesn't have to run away from politics.

The church can speak prophetically in the land, but do so in a loving, gracious way. Correct. And Christians as well get engaged. Young people get engaged.

Yeah. It's time for the people of Jesus Christ and church of Jesus Christ to get engaged, to get educated first. We really need to get educated on the issues first. And that's something that we have a problem with as pastors who don't preach the word of God. We have Christians who don't read the word of God. How can you have a biblical perspective if you don't know what the Bible says in the first place? So I challenge you as we're starting this new year to get involved in the word of God. You can, you know, you could read through the entire Bible by reading about 13 chapters a day in three months.

You could read the entire Bible. So I encourage you to read the word of God and I encourage you pastors to preach the word of God. Let's get educated, informed, and then engage to impact the culture for Jesus.

Yeah. We really got to start thinking about souls. We've got to dial it up for that, that we got to ask, what is God's heart? And of course, we've got to have the righteous indignation. But we've got to pray that as we express that, we better express it. We don't want those trains to go by silently in Nazi Germany. And the church is just saying louder, so they'd have to listen to the screaming Jews going to their execution. So we need to speak out, but we need to do so in love and in grace. And we need to do so with the goal of winning souls, not winning arguments. And taking a stand for Jesus Christ and tell everybody you know that Jesus is coming again. What's your website? Christian perspective.us. Another program powered by the truth network.