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October 22, 2021 4:20 pm
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Is this true or not, relates to us by all means give us a call friend or foe alike 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go to Vince and Rock Island, Illinois. Welcome to the line of fire. Hello, you're on their okay my question is in Matthew chapter 24 versus 36 and 37 on Judas talking about what on earth that only the father knew the viewpoint I know my question is, now that he's been resurrected and back with the father would he know fully of you is going on orally still placing under himself that limitation. Everything we understand was that that was while he was here on earth.
So even though she is still subjected to the father in a certain way for screens in 15 says one when we come to the culmination of the ages and the finality of God's kingdom on the earth and the sun will will submit to the force of God is all the losses of the great revelation we have an eternity is is is the one eternal God of and that's what Revelation 22 speaks of God and the Lamb, with one throne on one face right so this is fullness of of the one triune God that we worship forever, but everything we understand with those limitations pertained to the earth with his time so he knows he knows everything with full deity. Is he simply didn't use those privileges will hear okay one more quick short of course okay now I know that okay Jesus gave up his glory when he was born born as a man on earth now my question pertains to know, a lot of people believe that the angel of the Lord is the pre-incarnate appearing of the Christ. Now that is the case, wouldn't Jesus have had to give up his glory. Each time he appeared just to know. In other words, any time that God would reveal himself to human beings. There had to be some refracting of his glory right. Otherwise, people would die on the spot so there is but the idea that he, for example, when he appeared on the earth that he would've been tired as a human being was theirs. There is no basis for saying that it's only when he was fully human, that he took those things on so there be no reason to think that he was awfully omniscient one. He appeared as the angel of the Lord that he was, not of that this was not just a localizing of us on the presence as opposed to when he was physically on the earth.
He did take on human form. In a way that was was for several decades, but there be note there be no reason for that. The only reason was his him taking on human flesh is appearing as as a divine angel, a glorious know in the flame of fire, for example.
So he's obviously manifesting himself in a certain way right and localizing that is his omnipresence, but nothing else would have to be diminished. Note no divine privilege would have to be foregone in order to do that. Okay so would have been okay if you give if you keep pre-incarnate Christ without being like you look hundred percent sure that the really strong possibility of we see no reason to lease the only time there's any reference to stripping away of anything is Philippians 2 right and then the words of Jesus that not even the son knew so other otherwise.
There's not there's no other reference that not every time that the Hebrew Bible never mentions the angel of the Lord, does that refer to the set referred to the pre-incarnate son. In many cases a clue, because you can say that every time it's is the angel of the Lord is referring to, but as far as I know, according to everything I know in Scripture. The only limitation became self limitation when he was here on the earth. That's the only testimony that therefore I assume that it's never the case at any other time to be the reason for why here. Diamonds think logically but scripturally I would say zero possibility because the Bible is addressed, but what would be necessary knows why. If he's appearing sinful and in the flaming fire in the bush and Exodus 3. Why would she need to lay aside his privilege of of omniscience for what purpose for this is no sense. Truth is a reason for so I would even think of pushing that at all. But hey, thanks for the questions appreciated very much.
Thank you for your time.
That 866-34-TRUTH of its go to Adam in Montréal, Canada. Welcome to the line of fire.
I think my question today. You're welcome. My question is regarding you don't eat that Jesus really God at father and my question is how how was… Related. You know first century Judaism was not something that was common are known and how would the disciples have thought about the fact that Jesus refers to God as his father, referring to God as the father of Israel praying a prayer to our father in heaven with have been very common in Judaism to refer to him as Abba and to enjoy the intimacy that Yeshua did with have been very unusual. There are very few examples of rabbinic leaders referring to God as Abba. It's not in in any of the prayer books that have been developed over the centuries. We know, for example, what's called the Lord's prayer roof and in Matthew six and Luke 11 reflects a prayer traditions that were known in those is not every line but a number of the lines reflect traditions that we know developed in in early Judaism and that was it was not a prayer made up out of thin air. It was taking key themes and putting them together in a concise way but Romans eight in Galatians 4 that say that God put the spirit of his son into our hearts by which we cry, Abba, father, there's an intimacy beyond the norm that would have been experienced. Also notice the Lord's prayer is our father in heaven. Jews were used to praying in corporate ways so it's it's not that you could not say God is my King right but you would be more likely to say he's our King volcano machine or save your RVing in our father so that that's just typical it if you look at a Jewish prayer book today.
You see prayers addressing God is as father, our father, but it's all it's all corporate.
So even the relating to God. Corporately, they were more used to doing. But the individuality of it and in the closeness of calling God, but which is kind of in between daddy and father. It's very familiar but it's it's not quite daddy. It's kind of in between. That would be the thing that's more unusual and that intimate relationship and that closeness that perhaps the prophets enjoyed that would be unusual.
It reminds me of when I came to faith and was talking to the local rabbi conservative rabbi, we became good friends and he said to me. Likewise, it's seems that your relationship with God is like one of the prophets of the Old Testament. I thought, is this the way it is with people in my church. It's real seems to relate to God a certain way and have a certain fellowship with them as an intimacy and that it struck, it was very different than what he was used to it. In Judaism, and I would say is sincere and passion is my religious Jews are as much as they would say they love God deeply that there is something distinct be different in the born-again experience and knowing God is Abba.
Okay sure, go ahead okay very briefly from Galatian or would call it giving you know that all of you know patient there about you know, I bonded gently talk about law… Option one yet what the connection between the law unshipped area works out yet look at it like though the law is kind of like a tricycle that has that extra wheel to help balance you because you're younger and you can't ride a bicycle yet and then you graduate to the bicycle or look at it that the law is like the scaffolding on the side of the building that was the building is completed, the scaffolding is not needed. So when we enter into a deeper maturity in God. When we enter into a close relationship with him and mature on a certain level than those of the things that is necessary so when we are younger children growing up we need more structure and rules in our lives as we get older and mature.
We now live like that out of discipline and out of what we've learned and how we've matured so Paul sees the terrace divinely given holy, just, and good, but is bringing us into this deeper place with God and relationship with Messiah. Now, by the spirit we keep the righteous requirements of the law which are written on our heart that would be that the connection there.
Okay you are very welcome 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go to Carl in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire. I know not.
Dr. Brown will go well. Yes, thank you. Yeah I held to a quick question about Rick wanted from Daniel 927 where you fared that people give her he will make a firm covenant with many of you before to the prince who is to come or to cry, and it's also for one week right though. Second one we is severe. Yeah, right. So it's very controversial and difficult passage.
The three possible reference or this prince was to come. So this would be a Roman Emperor who would would make a treaty with the Jewish people and break it and then destroy so this would be culminating in the destruction your 70. Another way to read it is taking right rates than speaking of the Messiah, speaking of Jesus, who puts an end to sacrifice and offering by dying on the cross in the middle of the week right and that the middle of the 70th week. The last possible way to read it, which could be kind of a a a a final culmination of the tightest one is that it's going to be future figure with Antichrist and that he's the one that's going to make some type of covenant with Israel and and hence with the nations, and then break it midway through a final seven years. So it's controversial passage for plan by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown the questions we can answer still forget visit vitamin mission.com I just got in the quercetin supplements that Dr. Stanger has been recommending along with immune wellness to help fortify your body dealing with Colby and other related issues. So go to the vitamin mission.com website when you're there sure you use the Dr. Brown code you get a special discount and the donation is made for ministry. With every order so fantastic Health supplements, you get a discount. We get a donation were all blessed together. May God bless, Dr. Spangler and his team 866-34-TRUTH so I getting back to Carl called the the reading that to me seems the least likely is that it's referring to Jesus it in context.
There especially in light of the the destructive language.
I just want to reach you.
Joyce Baldwin. Her commentary in the book of Daniel in the Tyndale Old Testament commentary series. This is an excellent commentary. It's accessible.
It's not super lengthy, but it's a good scholarship behind it and she said that the last seven sees the completion of God's purpose if he refers to the lessening person.
The prince was to come. The subject is the enemy of God's because again it seems to be the most likely reading the unusual verb used in make a strong covenant bears this out.
For it has the implication of forcing an agreement by means of superior strength by causing sacrifice and offering to cc evidently was successful in his opposition to God's people of her half the week will mean for half the period intended by the seven God's people will not have to experience such intense suffering throughout the whole of the last period of time, but obviously that that end of it of that that last.
So again, it's difficult to be dogmatic because the languages it's prophetic and there's some mystery and it but that's me.
Seems to me that the best way to read it, especially because the events have to do with the destruction what what happens during the second Temple. Redemption being brought in by by God's anointed and then the spinal destruction coming so that's why it seems most likely to read it that way okay any other questions have to do with the parable in Luke Dr. we call Bob Don father that the start of my or my son would bid the live event but he talked to the older brother.
Your brother, you know your brother went to bed and now he's alive so that a reference to virtual death is when the Bible talks about us being dead in our sins, doesn't mean there are incapable of response means were separated from God.
You know Tyler Jesus says in Revelation 3 you have a reputation for being alive.
Your dead some of their members were were backslidden right so when when Paul says, for example, about that, the widow living in sinful pleasure. First Timothy five that the threat that she's dead right so that the Calvinist idea that your dead. Therefore, you can't response some of the language means and this is a perfect example in Luke 15 it means your you been separated spiritually. That's what death is not incapable of responding but spiritually separated and therefore lacking the life of of God, the divine fellowship, and will return to him than we we come alive we come from death into life right from the kingdom of Satan to the kingdom of God. But that's that's a good example of exactly yeah and also to God was originally but the father and he left and Debbie repented and came back he got it. I know you going that that means it is possible for someone who was in faith and spiritually alive to walk away and become spiritually dead.
Yeah, exactly. I even though it's a parable and you you want to get the main truths from it. It is in harmony with whether the Scripture say about spiritual that they thank you for the call appreciated 866-348-7884 we go that Andy in Hinsdale, New Hampshire. Welcome to the line of fire around. I feel love left to hear your theology in your wisdom.
Thank you very much. I do question I don't know referred to in the Old Testament, but I believe in the Dead Sea Scrolls with biblical they refer to God the father believed Eli and the plural the polytheistic or is it considering the holy Trinity.
First, it really just means my God that all really just means my God.
The word Elohim which is frequently used. To speak of God in the Old Testament is in intensive plural form the word for compassion in Hebrew is rock a meme that's a plural, the word for face and he responding that support so you have singular nouns that have plural forms and when it comes to you can speak of someone's earthly masters of the name Lords plural it. It is a plural of Majesty or a plural of ownership so Elohim depending on the context can speak of God's the gods of the nations you could describe as a Lim or Elohim, or you could refer to the one true God as Elohim and it's a plural of of Majesty, so there's nothing to do with polytheism. There simply has to do with the Semitic way of speaking of of God in empower or again, even in earthly ruler or authority could be referred to in the plural in certain cases the mandate. Secondly regarding the holy Trinity. My wife and I have a gift agreement should she doesn't believe in the holy Trinity initiative believe that the front of God and I believe truly man truly God truly God.
What is your take yes used truly man truly God that the bodies father son and Holy Spirit, I would. I would ask your wife. The simple question I am asking this with all respect understand why she would have that particular view, but I would ask you this. Is it only true that God has no beginning and no end that he is the first and the last is that true of only of God. If Jesus somehow comes after the son of God comes later in and is not eternally God himself that he could not be the first and the last of the Alpha and the Omega I master that and then I said what was in the book of Revelation that both the father and the son identify themselves as the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega, how could that be true of the son, I would ask that also ask you to read through Hebrews one with you and see if it does not plainly refer to the son as God so Hebrews 1 and if it does not refer to him plainly in Psalm 102 which is quoted Hebrews one as the creator so asking those questions and then blessing Andy on the website ask Dr. Brando so you want to ask about the first and last Revelation. How can I consider both father and son if the son is created being.
Hebrews 1. Why is he called God out right and why is he spoken of as the creator, not the one through whom everything came with the creator himself in Psalm 102 so I'll go there and then go to my website.
A stricter Brown.org and just type in tugging to you GG why tugging and you and she together can watch my debate on this very subject with Dr. Dale tugging and you can come to your conclusions based on our discussion there. Some of the Lord give insight as you as you open the word together 866-34-TRUTH. Let's go over to Seth and Moses Lake, Washington, which I've just heard her for the first time now.
Welcome to the broadcast. Dr. Brownback Remi on shore.
I got a question though I'm done preaching through the book agenda for Bento is just background what your opinion is, and cannot come out, come to the conclusion like I'm 100% certain that then of ham was not his being his father's nakedness. But that euphemism or idiom of uncovering the nakedness of your father is also equated uncovering the negative.
Your mother and that Canaan was actually the offspring of ham and his mother and then the Canaanite obviously are accursed know people then you go down to the many good under the curse and part of accursed is you shall be a servant. Your brothers and in the next verse is you shall be of service you Japheth and as well as Shem and of the brothers mentioned are the curse that if we look at a traditionally would've been an uncle not his brother, and then also you know you have a Canaanite lineup that would've come from our offspring.
But then you you be like a parallel story with Lot and his daughters upon the Camorra. Genesis 19 which resulted in the Moabites and the ammonites, I believe, which are also you know, for the people group that are excluded from the assembly of of the temple and so wanted to get your your taken up in things like feminine effect on like 10% or 10 and you know that potential maternal infant being the only potential scenario where the cursing of Canaan becomes legitimate or make sense versus some of the other other serious cyst under one question was Canaan all alive when that word was spoken when the Christmas spoken start early, how I've been looking out of the meter to option for food like a diet that when Noah was a 500 years old yet. Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Obviously Triplett rampant account of Scripture the chronology together so could be a potential squishing of chronology and that awaking from from that. For this reason I asked for your theory to be right that's that's the biggest glitch to me is that the impression that you have is that Canaan is alive and that this is spoken immediately after the CPC will help with sexual back on the other side broadcast address that and make but it is a fascinating theory you're presenting and it's so that the first time the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown joining us get answers 866 truth so getting back to Seth in Moses Lake, Washington. I appreciate the thought behind where you're going but here's what I would question it.
The Hebrew is used for. He saw his father's nakedness, which is different than the before uncovering the father's nakedness, which theoretically could refer to having sexual relations with with his wife. That's one thing at a second thing is that the brothers then go in and cover the father so it seems quite clear that something happens directly with Noah and and and with with his son there. So there's Jewish tradition that says initial meme since overuse from Reem Reeve oh, that there are some who say that he sodomized him and others who say he castrated them and Rabbi Daniel Lappin has the theory that because because had castrated his father, Noah, and therefore could not have another son himself that therefore judgment was placed on Ham's son. That's the argument that's raised Robert Caggiano, Prof. Guy gone is the foremost authority on the Bible and homosexual practice believes that it speaks of sodomizing that he he raped his father on.
I'm not sure that we can go that far in the text, but something horrific enough happens that this curse comes down the line so if you really put your theory forward, especially because Canada's immune exist at this point that it raises further questions. I love the digging.
I think it's incredibly poor that we do that with the word I just couldn't come to the same conclusions and out what one question when you mentioned the up the difference in in feminine and masculine pronouns were you thinking of, in particular, have in front of me, but their company was referring to whether the translation of and should have been hurt, right right is sought by just like with Abraham and Pharaoh either going into her pertinent all okay got our rights as I is that you talk about in the curse because I couldn't figure out what only I meant to write right know all all that is it. So it's orthography and other. In other words, the final hey if you difference now would be her but there there is an orthography, we can use a final hey with the whole of "o". It just means his soul again that that that would mean that that there was a change in the in the Hebrew text as we have it in the valves, which is not possible because the valves were not originally written but no that's that with that that form occurs quite frequently as masculine and as one of the aggregate on another another translation thing is that I and Leviticus 2017 talk about it actually uses the word what I think it being aggressive uncovering in relation to uncovering versus being the nakedness of your sister. I would think maybe another evidence that whatever happened at work within family sexual and that that the right to either stop or to uncover that that would be an argument against such language used is 18 in the same way but yet it knows if if you're making these points not making the medicine air yeah you have to push and speculate if I were you, right what I would do a because you pops a devoted time to this you feel strongly about it. I would say that most commentators understand it like this, but I want to present another possibility, and it would require this. This is an and give you evidence for it is supposed to present anything in a dogmatic way so I would differ with you but I don't think you're being ignorant or obscure interest or try to read something into the text.
But when you said you your your absolute convinced I will. I will, I would not want to present it like that because there's too much pushback you say hey here's another thing out. I want you to consider is of looked at and makes a lot of sense to me.
I just presented in a more tentative way of otherwise.I appreciate we going with it all right now. I got one on my progress without a of all the all the potential no interpretation of what happened in that Scripture what what in your opinion the most of the most logical are the pronunciation of the curse upon upon him, but upon Canaan right that I haven't landed in the it's it's it's one of these passages write us the arguments and I I have not come to a firm conclusion. I find the different theories interesting, but sometimes until I really follow it if if I know something in five different top scholars have five different views and I'm not sure until I really focus on it. Dig deep, give it serious study work it through till I come to conclusion then that I remain in a tentative about views and that's that's the case here. I haven't landed so yet I give you the different possibilities, but I haven't landed myself II really questioned the idea that there was rape that took place with Prof. Guy gone does present a strong case for it is book of the Bible homosexual practice. Hey, thank you for the call.
I appreciated 866-34-TRUTH we go to Shea in Boston, Massachusetts. Welcome to the line of fire… I think you're my call. I would question last night with with with the Muslim academic. The discussion was about numbers 31 versus 17, 18 and the larger context was basically no end anything out. I engaged a lot and apologetic polemic with the one thing that I bring up is Mohammed age that I should update should this was brought up counter that and I II there's a couple different translations that render the Hebrew little differently terms of like are you are you keeping the young girls here thoughtful young woman's yourself and is there any indication that anything is going on there in terms of sexual activity or slave or anything like that. I was arguing that that's not the case.
I write a little bit about the from Dr. Mike Kaiser and Joe, I'm John wanted commentary on and I was I was really confused working with words coming from in terms of making the accusation that this is actually about children and something to do with something sexual. I think I think in verse 35 actually refers back to the bank like it's recounting the ability of conquest anything like you know the.the other thing that refers back to in verse 35 back to the woman next to you that… Were like young in front of it, or that I think so you could shed some light on… Really appreciate that certain certainly it is part of ancient warfare that is part of the destruction that would come in in terms of killing men or more killing married women, etc. sparing children so that's that's part of the, the larger brutality of ancient of ancient war in the ancient world that the Hebrew toff.
Speaking of of generically of the of women there it is, is definitely a word that you used for four children it elsewhere, but this is nothing that says that even even if let's just say that that's what's being said that your despair, the young girls right where does it say that you now take them as wives and have sex with them as that's what the Muslims reading into it doesn't say that it simply said okay you know for sure that those kids have never been with a man I haven't had sex so there there virgins. They can be safely kept alive in them when the time comes for them to be married. They can be incorporated into the intonation and marriage. Also, there's nothing that says I'm not aware of of the Hebrew word being used for older women in the Bible. To my knowledge of and hereabouts. Let's just check really really fast will rehear NNR of looked at this before you know because the question does come up in Islamic apologetics but I would just push back and say okay and be logical that the young girls are virgins there with the been married they would had sex so there kept alive so that when they're older they can marry. Where does it say anything about being with them now was anything about having sexual relations with the now says nothing was we know about Mohammed, and I shouldn't and in the hadith being with her when she was nine, etc. so that's that's the pushback that out that I would give their one more thing… I made a statement and I that are somewhere in the course listed in your area but you as far as I'm aware people don't make that charge like people and in and not in your field of engineering study they don't make the charge against your like the of of marrying children articulate affect captains or anything like that. It is not accurate or did I respect percent accurate this there's no that's never brought up several brought up is never considered.
It's never addressed that this was this was a common practice know you don't even have your critical Old Testament scholars who are not believing the Old Testament just look at it scholastically. Making a comment over the look, the Israelites were raping little girls here under under Moses's approval know so that's something honestly the first time I ever encountered. That was not reading the text for myself, but someone asked me about a question like this from a Muslim apologist.
While I really appreciate… I think you yet and again just push back and say okay will since were going by text, please show me where it says the end and keep up the good work keep engaging 86634 to go to Joshua in Cleburne, Texas. Welcome to the line of fire. Dr. Brown, thank you so much. So, not like a lot of our equipment coming up with your book. I just ordered a book and there's certain things that doesn't make sense to me. Still, I believe God is good only does good people collect. My question is I do not understand Ananias the fire. Act 512 11. How would they did it in. It's like they died.
I don't understand that income time record high put into know what type thing like not take the Lord supper and I went on with the manner you know you better forgive CB forgive it. So I don't understand those two together and I have a second question yet sure what the first thing is, the Bible does plainly speak of God bringing judgments on people right so it's not set a blessing for obedience or discomfort, cancer education, pray enough. Today, but it is very verse Exodus 1526. Regards. This is Israel's healer and he won't put any of the diseases on them as she put which put on Egypt, he says. I put them on Egypt right so so throughout the Old Testament and write to the new God takes responsibility for bringing judgment on the wicked.
That was is a good thing, bringing judgment on the wicked is an expression of God's goodness, it would be like your your church building is surrounded by radical crazed terrorists and their about to start shooting up the building and killing everyone in size and a lightning bolt strikes from heaven and kills them all you off on your face and worship God and say thank you God for delivering us right so there it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 6643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks for joining us on the fire right getting right back Joshua so ask five is clearly divine judgment in the very beginning of this community of believers. When the Holy Spirit is moving so powerfully that they blatantly husband and wife conspired to lie to the Holy Spirit so no one was forcing them to give all their possessions so they had, but they wanted to put on the spiritual show, just as not of an obvious who the sons of of Aron in Leviticus 10 right when the tabernacle is being dedicated in their being set apart his priests that Aryan office of sacrifices and obedience in fire comes from the presence of the Lord consumes the sacrifices and his sons offer unauthorized fire and fire comes from the presence of the Lord consumes them. One of these moments when God's will present that their super judgment for doing something this ugly conspiring to lie to the Holy Spirit and they drop dead and what happens, great fear falls on the congregation as they realize you don't play with God you don't mess with God, so God judge them asked 12 when Harry gives his speech and all the people praise him. This is the voice of a God, not a man, and he doesn't give glory to God, the angel of the Lord comes and smites him and destroys. So God does bring judgment, but it's a good thing that the teaching that that one prominent hyper grace teacher has that Ananias and Safar were false believers trying to intrude on the body and and and God's save the church from their intrusion was is a great fear came on the on the whole church. They recognize the boy, this is holy and you don't you don't mess with God's was one of those times when God is so present and so real and so near and you do something that ugly that God God makes it a public display of it doesn't speak to what happened to their to their souls eternally.
But they certainly came under divine judgment in the here and now, which is another expression of the goodness and holiness of God. So can you take that and still use it with the Lord's supper when people you like that light, like a God done this before. Example this could very well happen right now. If you're grieving the Holy Spirit are pure conspiring against the church is can you biblically say that God takes people out better harm to the church, you son of like to know is if again we have to find things carefully.
This didn't happen every day right there and just like in ancient Israel. They ended up you know having homosexual prostitutes in the temple and worshiping idols in the temple and they didn't die but then the whole nation went into exile right but here, let me say this. Can we still play first Corinthians 11 absolutely inch in terms of if we were doing the Corinthians were doing so, they didn't just have a communion during service they would have no love feast a fellowship get together and in the midst of that they would celebrate the Lord's death and resurrection with with breaded and wine so you had people getting there early, getting drunk on the wine right and and eating all the food and then others poor coming and there is nothing for them and and this was supposed to be appointing to them symbolic of the body and blood of Jesus and Paul says that's why many of you are sick and some have died and then he said, if we judge ourselves, we won't be judged by the Lord. So during a time of great outpouring in early 1983 church.
I was part of the Holy Spirit was moving more powerfully than ever seen in my life in this church ever seen and it was communion Sunday and we were about to partake of communion and someone very sober in the congregation for the prophetic word that there was so much sin in our midst and gossiping division and uncleanness that if we partake of communion that we would come under judgment and we had all the elders there like no, no, sir. We all just step back and it turned into a time of people just getting up and confessing sin is the one only time I was ever in a meeting like that and I don't know what would've happened if we partook, but I felt like I'd warned us and but it was God was so real and so near and and it was a powerful time of confession in the spirit fell dramatically at night and touch some of those who confess by just remember one guy getting up. We know for years, the church getting up confessing to be an alcoholic in front of everyone and then that night, getting dramatically set free so we we can't, we need to cultivate and an attitude of knowing the love of God which which hyper grace teachers do you know and understand the beauty of his grace. So I live 24 seven. Feeling secure in God's sight feeling loved by God, I never feel condemned. I know his goodness, but the thought of like crossing certain lines and committing certain stands. I can imagine you know I'm saying it just imagined I II couldn't imagine doing that than just kind of go to sleep like all is well. It's like all my God you cross that line is I know it's the devil he's trying to attack us destroys seduce us and all of that.
At the same time we honor God and we recognize him as a holy God. We don't play games with that you know and and if if God forbid you know your son is leaving a ministry in their lying to the people about where the money's going and and secretly taking the money from the poor, the widows and Melinda Ravenhill telling me your big ministries and if you account for every dollar a widow old widow sent you. You know and and their their lying to the people and their secretly taking the funds and abusing them right now some guy is is feeding his prostitution have happened in Thailand or something, but raising money in the states and I would not want to be in the person she was for one split-second and yes, it could well be divine judgment that would form which is the exact opposite of how I feel before my father every day right is knowing his love known as his kindness is good and so it's a healthy balance take Joshua appreciate the call and I would see you got time for another call or two, let's go to and in Los Angeles.
Welcome to the line of fire enjoying and really appreciate your commentary on Job and I'm getting ready to go to a Bible class and I need to get Betty guide for that and wondered if you have anyone that you could recommend study kind on Job thanks thanks for appreciating the commentary and obviously any questions on Job that I if I have the answers there in the commentary but could study guide on Job you and I never even thought of that, once it by the commentary because of stress you are looking at of the scholarly literature… He is serious art.
One might JI Packer and II know that that could be good but I'm go because I think of him as maybe being tolerant and I don't want that. I don't want to read Job, what was it just the thing.
Yeah, I'm just looking at study guides that are coming up and it is I'm looking to see if there's any any that are unfamiliar with this one that that the navigators have and of course there well known for taking people to the Scriptures, and that might be worth considering. So what's the name of it yet it's it's life change that's their series Job navigator sought under this far as I know it's the it's a study guide as opposed to a commentary, but you have to you have to check.
I'm not sure, but if JI Packer is a study guide. Yes. So, here and there you will see because of who he is in his theology, something that could be a Calvinistic deduction may be going a little further than I would go in and how you apply Job wanting to etc. to today but JI Packer being so full of scriptural truth and wisdom and knowledge of God outthink you get a lot of rich stuff out of that when you say a study guide. Though you mean actually study guide. Not like a short commentary right now guide per group, right?
I can think about yet. So the unfortunately I'm a steady guy, personable me put out was was a multiyear process with with my series on countering the counter missionaries so I don't really think in those terms. But yeah, check out check out just to see one of the one Eric Cortlandt is 10 RTL you and the source is that the one okay JI you how JI Packer edited that series. Even writing right now is not okay. I was not aware of and thinking how did I not know Packer did that know it's it's a series edited by Packer by Eric Cortlandt yeah II would think just knowing that the scholarship theology behind it.
The bigger place to go and then look in the discussion group. That's always a healthy place to send out.
There's this perspective we agreed we see things a little differently right right and and and it's not like they're going to be end and it looks very good to be statements about the sinfulness of man that from there. There might be a little bit more said about total depravity in ways beyond what we might say it but it should be a good sound series and if you're evaluating one like with which a person is what your expected feet are really show up on the most, so I I would think there might be a certain application Genesis 1 into excuse me Job wanting to for today that that would not recognize that the beast that we have a different authority over Satan Revelation of Satan. Job would have it, on the other side of the cross so it might come up there more just like whatever whatever God dishes out to us. We except of course whatever God does. We worship except but we we have a perspective beyond what Job would've had so II would say that that would be colored a little bit and then perhaps passages like like Job for or Job 15 with his statements about the sinfulness of human beings and things like that that you might get a a statement about total depravity that goes a little further, but I would.
I would certainly your trust that the folks contributing to the series that it would be a good solid study guide and then from there that's where he was the group leader of you give guidance and insight say let's let's discuss this sort. Again, thanks for your commentary and may God bless all of you for study friends get my emails now.
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