We Warned Years Ago Against Experimenting on Gender-Confused Children

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That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Friends, I've been counting the minutes, waiting for today's broadcast since last week. Some things happened, some things came to my attention that were so jarring.

I wanted to shout it from the rooftops. I wanted to get with all of you and let you know some important things that have happened. Finally, today we get to do it. I was on the road speaking for about eight days teaching in different schools and ministering in some churches.

Because of that, we pre-recorded some shows. We put together a special set for you last week that, based on responses, you really enjoyed excerpts from some of our debates. We did four days of that, then back for a live Q&A on Friday.

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Let them know about this material because it is going to be super, super helpful. And hopefully, we'll give you insight into why we do what we do for your sake. Okay, here's number to call 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. But let me give you parameters for the calls. Then I've got an important announcement to make, and then we're going to dive right into a video back from 2009. You'll be astounded to see.

Before we do that, parameters for the calls. We're talking specifically about what amounts to scientific experiments on children confused about their gender. Children that would be called transgender today. In the past, they would say they had gender identity disorder. Then it got changed to gender dysphoric. These are children, young people, that really struggle, that really feel on the inside that they don't match their biological sex.

We have been shouting for years that the medical treatments, the medical approach is an experiment on children. If you have your own story having to do with transgender issues, how it's impacted you, your family, your job, you may be in a certain situation where you're unable to speak freely. Feel free to call in anonymously. You don't have to give a location. Give me an anonymous caller. You say, well, I get in trouble with my employer if I talk about what's happening, or I don't want to embarrass a family member, or I don't want to expose compromise in our church by name. That's fine. You don't have to give any details that you're not comfortable with giving publicly over the airwaves.

Fully understand that. But if you've been impacted directly or with gay activism, or this has directly impacted your own family, I'd love to hear from you. 866-348-7884. And if you think the approach that I'm taking is wrong, and you really differ with me and would like to share why or give me a piece of your mind, phone lines are open. 866-348-7884. Okay, important announcement. I told you on Friday that we were done taking pre-orders for the signed, numbered, special hardcover edition of Revival or We Die, which is officially due out tomorrow. That's the official book release date is tomorrow. I told you that we were done taking pre-orders. Just found out from our shipping department that the books hopefully will be printed in by the end of the week. COVID has just thrown a lot of printing schedules. It's happened with me with three straight books.

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Go to AskDr.Brown.org to pre-order. Okay, back in November of 2009, so we're talking 12 years ago, I got an email from Focus on the Family saying you may be contacted by a producer from the Tyra Banks show, and they want to talk to you about coming on the air with them. They're going to be having a show bringing little children out that identify as transgender, and then they're going to have a discussion with different people, and we couldn't, our people couldn't make it, but we recommended you, a few other people, but you were on our top list of recommended people. Well, then I get the email from the Tyra Banks people, and then the phone call, and we do an interview, and I said, listen, I want you to understand that my PhD is in Near Eastern languages and literatures.

It's not in family counseling or sexuality issues or anything like that that would be related, psychology, etc. And I said, I'm a minister, I'm a gospel minister, and so on, and my views are based on scripture, and they said, no, no, no, you're the right person. So chatted with Nancy about it. Is this just a setup? You know, because it's going to be prerecorded in front of a live audience, but prerecorded, they could edit, they could, you know, so we talked about simple, just be sure it's the Lord prayed more and felt.

Yeah, it's the right thing to do. So by the time I come out on the stage, there have already been, I don't know, 45 minutes of programming up to that point with children coming out. This is Jane.

Jane used to be Joe. It gets seven years old, eight years old. They're talking to the child. They're talking to the parents.

The parents are in tears and they are there. Well, tell you what, I'm going to dive. Well, no, I hate to do this. I hate to do this, but I'm going to set things up a little further because I'm looking at the clock and I won't be able to play the full segment. So let me set this up more fully.

Then we're going to come back. I'm going to play the full segment. It's about a six minute segment and there's a lot of back and forth in it going on. And that's what the producers like, Hey, we want you to interrupt each other. We want it to be lively.

So there's, there's a lot of that going on, but I wanted to set it up carefully. So you'll know why I'm talking about this today, why I'm talking about this today, 12 years later. In fact, guys, let's grab those slides from Dr. Paul McHugh. Dr. Paul McHugh, prestigious head of psychiatric department at Johns Hopkins university. He was the one who famously shut down sex change operations years ago.

And then recently they were restarted. And before I went on the Tyra Banks show, I reached out to Dr. McHugh because here he is again, Johns Hopkins university, prestigious, highly respected, a psychiatrist and, and well versed in these subjects as well as anybody. And look at what he said. This is what he emailed me. Look at what he said. He said, I hold that interfering medically or surgically with the natural development of young people claiming to be called transgendered is a form of child abuse. Whoa, let's look at that again. This is what he emailed me prior to me being on Tyra's show.

And I got it right before going on. I hold that interfering medically or surgically, so medically would be hormone blockers, puberty blockers, or surgically removing the breasts of an 18 year old girl. I hold that interfering medically or surgically with the natural development of young people claiming to be transgendered is a form of child abuse. See, I wrote to Dr. McHugh, not knowing if we'd see the email or not. With the flight of emails he gets, he can model just going through junk folder, but he did see it and he did respond. And I said, I know you've written about this a lot in the past. I knew you'd been very vocal on this in the past. He said, the problem is in the mind, not the member, not the biology, but, but the psychiatry, the psychology, there's something on the inside that you can help people with.

And that performing physical surgery on someone is like giving liposuction to an anorexic. So I wrote to Sid, you still hold these same views. And that's when he wrote back. Okay. So now let's fast forward and let's look at this quote from the Wall Street Journal.

All right. And this was May 3rd, 2019. So now almost 10 full years later, and Dr. McHugh is what?

I think about 88 at this point. The possibility that Dr. McHugh is wrong doesn't trouble him. This is what Abigail Shrier wrote in the Wall Street Journal. Either the plastic surgeons and the transgender psychiatrists are right and I'm wrong. And if that's the case, they will have done a lot of good by opposing me. And I will have been a drag on the system or the opposite. Suppose they're wrong and I'm right. They will have mutilated thousands of children and I will look good.

Who do you think is going to sleep better at night? Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

If we have one more slide from Dr. McHugh, let's put that one up as well. I mean, this is just heavy stuff to think about. Hey, if I'm right here, all right, he says, I hope I'm still standing when these forts fall. So at the age of 88 in 2019, that's when he said, I hope I'm still standing when these forts fall. And they are falling.

They are falling. There are different countries now saying, hey, we need to step back. We need not to do this to minors. We need to reconsider the puberty blockers, et cetera.

All right. So I know I'm going on Tyra Banks and I'm going to be opposite two people. One, Kim Pearson, who is a straight woman, so married to a man, heterosexual couple with a child who identifies as trans. And she has been a trans youth advocate, obviously feeling this is the best thing to do for the kids is to recognize that some really are transgender. And Dr. Marci Bowers, Dr. Bowers is a man, so male to female.

Dr. Bowers became famous as the rock star of sex change surgery and then became super famous as the doctor that performed the sex change surgery on Jazz Jennings. Boy believes he's a girl, famous in reality TV, one of the most influential teens in America. This is tragic stuff. It's painful stuff. So I know I'm going to be on opposite them.

I know that the audience is going to be with Tyra and with these guests. I know I'm the big white male. And I was heavy then too. So that adds to the picture, right? I'm the old white guy, you know, just probably going to be looked at as some conservative Republican gay hater.

That's not going to be caricatured. And the emotions of the audience. Now they've heard these parents and interviewed the kids and they play a video of here's an interview with Jane. He used to be John, maybe eight years old. And what about your private part?

Well, that's just a birth defect. I mean, you hear it like all these kids and the parents, like once we find out what it was and realize that that John was actually Jane, it's been so wonderful and they're all so sincere. So I was praying, okay, Lord, what, what message do I get across and, and how do I get this message across? And I knew that it had to flow out of my heart, which was a heart of love and compassion. And I had to get that message out. Well, we come back on and play the clip for you. And then I want you to hear what happened recently.

And this is why I'm playing all this now. It's amazing. Eye-opening, jarring, and very sad. We'll be right back. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks for joining us today.

866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. I now take you into my segment, which thankfully aired unedited. So just as it happened, that's how it was put out without editing, which I appreciate. And you'll get to hear this. Again, it gets a little intense at a few moments of people speaking over each other. And for everyone listening, as I began to speak, Dr. Bowers, who is sitting next to me, again, male to female transgender sex change surgeon, Dr. Bowers began to take my hand and just try to stop me from speaking.

It's very interesting the way everything transpired, but let's go into the broadcast. November 18th, 2009. They're talking about transgender kids, kids that are changing their genders at a very young age, as young as six, seven, and eight years old. And now it's getting very controversial because there's different sides to the story and to the debate. Can a child really know if they are transgender? What age do they really know that they are transgender? Can they get therapy and get over the feeling of being born the wrong gender?

So these are all the questions that we're going to talk about right now. Joining us are Kim Pearson. She's the executive director of Trans Youth Family Allies. Dr. Marci Bowers, who is a transgender herself and is a specialist in transgender surgery.

And Dr. Michael Brown, a professor and minister. So Kim is an advocate for transgender youth. Explain to me why you think that a child, like a six, seven, and eight year old child, not even to me, it's everybody, that you feel that they can make that decision to change their gender.

Well, actually, I don't believe it is a decision and I don't think they're deciding anything. Just as you knew growing up that you were a little girl, they know that they're little boys and little girls. Not every child, not every child who expresses some sort of gender variance is transgender. But it's my experience that transgender children do know. Now, I know Michael, you disagree on Kim's position.

Why do you disagree? Well, we're both here because we love kids and we care about them. Our hearts go out to them. But this is a known psychiatric condition, gender identity disorder. It's on the records. It's a known psychiatric condition. It's been diagnosed in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Oh, okay. And there are treatments from the inside out. Compassion causes us to look at the whole thing as opposed to... Here, look, there are people... Listen to the children. Listen to the children. The fact of the matter is, as parents... Children are crazy. Children don't start out crazy. There are plenty of kids at two, three, four that think certain things that are wrong. There are plenty of kids at six, eight, ten that do... We know there are anorexics, okay, who are absolutely convinced they're obese. You don't do liposuction on them.

No, you don't. And it's not the same. You're comparing apples and oranges. There are people with what is known as body identity disorders.

Scholarly studies in the archives of sexual behavior compare these two things. These are people who are... We're not going back to the 1950s. We're not going to put our children's hands in hot boiling water to get them to go back to their old gender.

We're not going to turn them back. I'm talking about Dr. Anne Lawrence, who is a male to female transsexual. Just like you just wrote an article in the archives of sexual behavior comparing gender identity disorder where kids convinced... Okay, Dr. Bowers, you speak now.

We're not going back. You can't get a kid to be a boy just because you hand them a football or a girl because you hand her a doll. Listen to the children. Love the children. We're about love and compassion.

Dr. Bowers, love tells the truth. Listen to the families. So how do you feel about gay? Just gay people, gay children? Well, this is not an issue of gay children.

No, I know. I'm just trying to get your views. I love gays and lesbians. I believe God created male and female.

There's a best order. I love gays and lesbians, but this is not a gay and lesbian issue. This is an issue of gender identity disorder. Conversion therapy doesn't work. I'm not talking about conversion therapy.

Here, look, Dr. Kenneth Zucker is one of the world's leading authorities on this. He's treated 900 children. So what age do you think is the right age?

What age do you think is the right age? We want to help the kids be at home in the biological body. When a kid's born, we don't say we don't know if it's a boy or a girl. It doesn't work, Michael, when that doesn't work.

Over how many years? Then you're going to put them on drugs, hormone blockers. Then you're going to chop off their penis and put on drugs for the rest of their life. That's the good solution. Do we make children miserable? How long?

What's the right amount of time? There are ways as parents and families that are proven. They don't work. They're not proven.

Why are you going to do that? Listen, you have your opinion. You have experiments here.

There's just as much medical. You have experiments. You're experimenting. No, we're not. Do you support the use of inhibitors and hormones used correctly?

Tell us that. The children that continue to express over the course of their life three to five years minimum going into puberty. What if they're wrong? What if they are? The question was, how do I feel about it and what do I have to say about it?

And what I have to say is that children that have expressed this about themselves all of their lives, their entire lives, and who have been properly screened by medical and psychological experts in the field. What's the test? How do you test it? How do you test against it? You don't have to test against it because you want to help a kid that doesn't have mutilation.

You're saying you know with 100% certainty? I'm simply saying the best course of action is for the child to be at home with their biological sense. And when that doesn't work?

How do we know it doesn't work with a three-year-old? There's like 18 year olds and 20 year olds and so even so when I say they're 18 just even just take away the whole kid thing. Legal adult 18 and they're saying that they're in the wrong body. Then what Dr. Brown? I still do not believe sex reassignment surgery is the best case anymore than the people who are suicidal because they have four healthy limbs with body identity disorder. You would rather have people die?

No, I wouldn't rather have I'd rather work with them, love them, help them. But what about the people that do chop off the limb of someone with body identity disorder? It's not the same thing. Of course it is. It's nothing to do with chopping off the body part. It is about restoring.

It is not the same thing at all. I know people that were transgender into their 20s that are perfectly fine today. That are functioning normally. That are perfectly fine.

That should be the goal. Look compassion often has to go against the grain. Dr. Bazz I'll let you sum us up. Well I'll tell you I do surgery on I do sex change surgery and I the average age of people that come to me for surgery is 48 years old. Of those 48 year olds it doesn't change over time. It has been there 90 percent of the report that they've felt this way since the age of two, three, four, five years old.

Just like the kids you just heard. It doesn't go away. It doesn't go away. There are plenty of people that have sex change surgery that regret it afterwards and it's too late.

It's too late. Okay that was the clip. Why am I playing it for you now?

Well there are many reasons I could play it but here is what is so jarring. Dr. Bowers the one that was sitting next to me male to female quote rock star of sex change surgery the one who performed the sex change surgery on Jazz Jennings for reality TV. Dr. Bowers who said listen to the children love the children listen to the families love the families. Dr. Bowers who I'm sure believes he is doing good and what he's doing and helping people that struggle the way that he used to struggle. Dr. Bowers has now changed his position.

Here I am. I'm not a medical doctor. I'm not a psychologist. I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not a family counselor.

Okay I'm not one with degrees in these fields. I'm not a medical doctor working with the children. I'm simply one that loves the Lord that loves these kids that are struggling that had that studied and learned and found out everything I could about the subjects that sat and talked with people that struggled in different ways from from gay and lesbian activists that just had issues with people like me but wanted to sit and talk to to those that are former transgender and sat and listened and understood biblical principles and and trusted people like Dr. Paul McHugh that said this is experimenting on children here I'm the voice saying this outside guy right who am I I'm the one saying that that these are experiments being performed on kids. Now Dr. Bowers earlier this month so earlier in October of 2021 so 12 years later Dr. Bowers has changed his views in terms of dealing with children. Look at this headline Daily Mail reported this earlier this month two leading transgender medics so Dr. Marci Bowers and Dr. Erica Anderson two leading transgender medics warn children should not be given puberty blockers that too many are being given gender reassignment surgery and reveal New York Times turned down their op-ed on the subject. You say Dr. Brown you feel pretty animated about that.

I am animated about that. How many kids have had their lives destroyed? How many kids have been mutilated?

How many kids have been hurt in the general natural course of development? How many how many will find out in five or ten or twenty years the effects of decisions that they made? Look many of you are wrestling with the question of whether they get vaccinated or not. You want to be wise. You don't want to be a sitting duck. You don't want to be vulnerable to to a potentially deadly disease. You want to be responsible but you have concerns about the vaccine and if it's put in your body what might happen and as as as many reports you're about people dying of COVID you're hearing reports about people sick with vaccines so you're wrestling with this right? Maybe you're 40 years old. I'm hearing from people constantly and they're wrestling. They're trying to do the right thing and what's the right thing and evaluating and taking months and looking at it and yet you're having kids six years old eight years old ten years old be the driving factor in decisions where the adults and the doctors pretty much reinforce yeah that's it's gender dysphoria yeah this is the treatment and yeah okay show me studies over decades and decades of the effects of these puberty blockers these hormone blockers on these kids and the lifelong regimen of hormones that they'd be on show show me show me all the data about there's more and more stuff coming out with wild warnings and then kids who are now late teens or young adults late teens early 20s and they're saying i made i made it terrible i made a terrible mistake and the doctors should have pushed back against me more strenuously just recognizing this was an impulsive teen an impulsive kid here i am the guy the outsider saying the obvious you're experimenting with kids lives and these guests no no this is the best way the safest way and that one of them saying we made a mistake a bit late a bit late it's the line of fire with your host dr michael brown get into the line of fire now by calling eight six six three four truth here again is dr michael brown please give me your best dear friends by god's grace i'm here to stand as your voice by god's grace i will continue to stand and shout and speak the truth and swim against the tide and go against the grain together with all of you so together we make a difference god's given me great platforms radio tv internet writing he's given me great platforms he's enabled me to shout my voice out on a good level to reach many people and therefore i want to do my best to be a faithful spokesman for the lord and for you to give vent to some of the things you feel and the burdens that you carry so that together we can speak these out and i can serve as your voice of moral clarity and spiritual sanity or moral sanity and spiritual clarity 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about quote transgender children and it was a tv first the first time that children as young as six years old the first time that children as young as seven and eight were brought out in public in front of a live audience to talk about yes i used to be joe but now i'm jane and even the it's the nature of it so you you change the name and that you you used to be joe now you're jane because you change the name is that just how it works now you can go back and change the birth certificate i was looking at something on a health website the other day checking some things out trying to get some information and one of the information about me it said what is your gender assigned at birth on your original birth certificate that's always worded couldn't even say you male or female no what was your gender assigned at birth so it's the complete radical transgender talking point that when i first encountered it over a decade ago it's like what is this gender assigned at birth so the doctor looks at you and because you're a biological male or biological female no ambiguity okay you're a boy you're a girl no that's that's not reality it's just the gender you were assigned at birth like what team are you going to play on you know where you're going to live or just it's arbitrary it can be decided later because we don't really know so maybe we have to change it late i mean what and then it's going to say on your original birth certificate this is how far it's come and then the next question how do you identify today is if that actually changed the reality of things wow so on that show i sounded the alarm you are experimenting with children when you're putting them on puberty blockers you're experimenting with children and sex change surgery for kids that are still teenagers that you're experimenting with children and sitting next to me dr marcy bowers saying no no no some male to female rock star of sex change surgery and i believe doing what he does believing it's right believing that this is the best thing believing he's helping people okay i genuinely believe that that many of these activists truly feel they are helping kids and that's what they're doing they're doing they are terribly misguided so october 6th daily mail reports two leading transgender medics warn children should not be given puberty blockers that too many are being given gender reassignment surgery and reveal new york times turned down their op-ed on the subject so i see this headline in an article that someone had sent me i go to click on the link and to my shock one of the two doctors was dr marcy bowers the one that i sat next to on the tyra bank show the the one grabbing my hand as i spoke and just trying to listen to the children of the children so abigail schreier asked bowers quote and this is on barry weiss's common sense website when i asked bowers if she still thought puberty blockers were a good idea from a surgical perspective she said abigail schreier who's written the book about girls here irreversible damage about the transgender craze seducing our daughters or our children refers to dr bowers as she i would refer to dr bowers as he when i asked bowers if she still thought puberty blockers were a good idea go back watch the clip from the tyra show watch what happened listen what happened from a surgical perspective she said this is typical of medicine we zig and then we zag i think maybe we singed a little too far to the left in some cases quote i think there was naivete on the part of pediatric endocrinologists who were proponents of early puberty blockade thinking that just this magic can happen that surgeons can do anything okay so let me just explain something for a moment one of dr bowers's big issues is if you put the kid on puberty blockers it's going to stop the natural development of their organs when they get old enough and say okay i want to have sex change surgery now they don't have the the the material to deal with to reconstruct their organs and therefore it's a problem so this is why dr bowers is saying well there's some issues here so schreier explains this okay the problem for kids whose puberty has been blocked early isn't just a lack of tissue but of sexual development development puberty not only stimulates growth of sex organs it also endows them with erotic potential so quoting dr bowers if you've never had an orgasm pre-surgery and then your puberty is blocked it's very difficult to achieve that afterwards i consider that a big problem actually it's kind of an overlooked problem that in our informed consent of children undergoing puberty blockers we've in some respects overlooked that a little bit so you're talking about someone that cannot have normal reactions in a sexual relationship for the rest of their lives what what kid a little kid especially they'll fully understand that all right sammy you're nine we're going to put you on puberty blockers whatever age they start 10 and but you may not be able to do the you know perform problem what what does a kid understand of this it is madness friends it is madness whatever is motivating it it's still madness it is what dr mccue said to me in in an email in 2009 it's child abuse we need to be shouting we need not to get used to this we need to say i will not get used to this i will not accept this as the new norm i i will not i'll come back to not accepting things in a moment and it's a reason that we return to these subjects to say no no we don't accept this as the new norm sorry so from the article on the barry weiss sub stack bowers told me told abigail shrier she now finds early puberty blockade inadvisable a little late i commend dr bowers for changing the position but a little late on that after all the damage that's been done to god those how many thousands and thousands of children i'm not a fan of blockade at ten or two anymore i really am not she told me using the clinical name of the moment when the first visible signs of puberty manifest the idea all sounded good in the very beginning she said believe me we're doing some magnificent surgeries on these kids on these kids just reading those words is so painful magnificent surgeries on these kids so much sex reassignment sex change and they're so determined and i'm so proud of so many of them and their parents they've been great but honestly i can't sit here and tell you that they have better or even as good results than that is functional i worry about their reproductive rights later i worry about their sexual health later and ability to find intimacy oh lord help us talk about a little late talked about what dr mccue said who's going to sleep better him for warning or those who went ahead with these surgeries and practices how do we let this happen friends i'm not blaming you i'm not blaming me many didn't know about things many others were outraged but what could i'm talking corporately as a society how do we get here how do we let this happen how how did we have an environment where after tyra did her show in in 2009 even if she thought she was doing good even she was convinced she was really helping and really doing good and and it was important to get these stories out and compassion said it helped the kids it's the best way to help the kids even though 80 or more on average of these kids who identify as transgender when they're younger when they get past puberty if they're just allowed to develop normally or not put on puberty blockers they're not dressed to know the clothes they're not called other names other than the real names when they get older the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of them no longer identify as transgender yes many identify as gay or lesbian that's a whole lot different than having mutilated your body that's a whole lot different than trying to be having to be on hormones for the rest of your life and never being fully the other of what you want to be friends it's time to say we told you so and how do we fix it now how do we fix it moving forward how do we deal with this moral madness and big shake-up in loudon county schools because with the big protests their families so upset about the bathrooms being gender neutral you know if a boy identifies as girl can use the girls room etc really pushing hard for that policy and then reports some disputed them but others reinforced that urinals were being removed so that this they'll be gender neutral stalls that they want to offend etc etc i mean madness cultural madness so last uh was it a few a few months ago earlier this year a man is is is uh escorted out of the media at loudon county uh public schools and he's he get he gets ballistic when they say no there's no but there's been no issues of rape or issues and his daughter was raped his daughter was allegedly raped but it's it's on the books it's reported and the guy's been arrested was was raped by a a teenager a guy who identified as a girl put on a skirt and went to the girls room and raped his daughter and the board denied any knowledge that's why he went ballistic and that sparked the whole domestic terrorist these parents his daughter was raped by a boy wearing a dress because of this madness yes i'm passionate about this because lives of children are being destroyed and society has gone along with one of the greatest deceptions known in our history god help us god awaken us oh there's more to come there's still more to come stay right here it's the line of fire with your host activist author international speaker and theologian dr michael brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling eight six six three four true here again is dr michael brown i i tweeted this out over the weekend and it seemed to resonate with with a lot of folks i said sorry but i refused to get used to kids being raised by two dads or two moms however loving those couples may be it robs the child of a mother or father it violates natural law and it is the opposite of god's best plan for humanity truth say well dr brown why why do that why why beat a dead horse and why appear to be a bigot to people and why sound hateful well i've no desire to sound hateful and there's not hate in my heart if people judge me as being a bigot that's their business but in point of fact it's love that compels me to speak it's god's spirit within me that compels me to speak because if we don't keep saying sorry that's not norm sorry that's not what god intended i don't hate you i'm not against you you may really care for the kids you're raising but this is not god's plan this is not god's best otherwise we just get used to it that's why i'll talk about gay couple quote married oh in their sight they may be deeply devoted to each other they may be more committed to each other than then heterosexual couple down the block that's not the issue but it's not marriage i refuse to accept that as marriage otherwise we just give in and then what does it lead to it leads to the types of things that we see in our society with with transgender craze i'm not calling people crazy who identifies trans no no no i'm talking about the craze of what we're doing to the kids and what is happening to the kids and the influences they're under in 2011 we published my book a queer thing happened to america and what a long strange trip it's been and i use the word queer because queer been mainstreamed in our vocabulary remember queer eye for the straight guy and all that so i wrote the book it was over six years of research of prayer of interacting with those in the gay lesbian community of reading everything i could from their perspective to try to understand from theology to personal stories etc and still have i've got a large library of books as children's readers and all of this and i wanted to get the book out i felt it was super important but we had a wall when it came to publishing uh and this is what we ended up doing look at the back cover of of the book we ended up publishing the book ourselves we formed our own publishing house called equal time books and put it out and on the back cover we called it the book that the publishers were afraid to touch here a conservative pundit said book publishing is a difficult business now and no media is willing to promote a book that opposes homosexuality economic self-interest is going to make it very tough for a publisher to say yes 2011 conservative publisher there would likely be a very concrete though difficult to measure financial penalty to pay for publishing your book practically speaking it could actually destroy the firm from a best-selling conservative author honestly there's no new york publisher who will touch this manuscript from the head of a new york city publicity firm unfortunately he spoke with his team and he doesn't have anyone willing to take on dr brown's book in other words we couldn't hire a publicity firm to publicize the book from a publishing insider it'd be better i'd be better off burning the money in my fireplace the economics of publishing a book like this are bleak and then a top literary agent who farmed the manuscript out to a number of major publishers most thought the material was too controversial all felt that the title would need to be changed when i got that email i knew we had nailed it put the book out by god's grace it's been used to touch many we're looking to get out a second edition of it as soon as we can as it's 10 years later in the the first 10 11 000 books and sold out ebooks out etc so it had good distribution but we would not be silenced because we knew the word had to get out and when people began to ask me 10 15 years ago going back to 2004 mike why are you dealing with this why are you addressing this why are you talking about these things i told people i feel like an umbrella salesman in the desert and people saying why are you making all these umbrellas and why do you have all of these warehouses filled with umbrella why are you doing what you're doing my answer was there's a storm coming and you're going to need the umbrellas now people can't get their hands on enough materials for me and many others who've been on the front line speaking we do it out of love the commission reach out to the people with compassion resist the agenda with courage and friends by god's grace we will continue to stand as your voice doing that very thing back to the children female to male scott nugent we're in an article in newsweek we've been in touch since then and according to nugent who has no problem with me referring to her as her according to her she did an interview together with dr bowers and some others and utterly destroyed their arguments utterly demolished their positions to the point that they had no choice but to change their views publicly so that that's what she believes is the driving force behind them making these changes i don't know i'm not there i don't know what's in their hearts i i'm glad they're they're saying what they're saying now but again grieve over all the lives destroyed thus far but in her article on newsweek scott nugent said this and and again remember that uh i've shared this before i think she's trying to get this article published with major sites for two years before they do this we need balance when it comes to gender dysphoric kids i would know and now let me just go through the list when you put kids on puberty blockers what the the side effects are all right decreased life expectancy and if you read the article if you haven't you ought to scott nugent n-e-w-g-e-n-t read the article and this is someone who's not a believer as we are has very very different views on many many different subjects but look at this what are some of the results experimenting on kids decreased life expectancy increased risk of premature death from heart attacks and pulmonary embolisms bone damage possible liver damage increased mental health complications all these documented increased chances of mood syndrome symptoms higher suicide rates than non-trans population 12 higher chance than non-trans population developed symptoms of psychosis chance of stunted brain development much reduced chance for lifelong sexual pleasure higher chance of sterility infertility no improved mental health outcomes not completely reversible boom and this is known this stuff is known friends we must shout it out for the sake of the children i appreciate deeply nugent's courage in doing what she's doing it's difficult it's a price to be paid i deeply appreciate the courage and having spoken with her on the phone at some length it is love for the kids that drives her okay one last thing barry weiss and herself doesn't like to speak of her sexual orientation but is quote married to her female partner so has been in several lesbian relationships now quote married to her partner is liberal worked for the new york times and then began to sound the alarm last year about the cancel culture and and what she said is distributed vastly well here she is with brian stelter on cnn cnn i want to play about oh about 90 seconds of their interaction so this is a liz a liberal lesbian feminist or liz liberal bisexual feminist however she categorizes herself and listen to what she has to say the lights are going on for more and more people check this out you're right there are tens of millions of americans who aren't on the hard left or the hard right who feel the world has gone mad so in what ways has the world gone mad well you know when you have the chief reporter on the beat of covid for the new york times talking about how questioning or pursuing the question of the lab leak is racist the world has gone mad when you're not able to say out loud and in public that there are differences between men and women the world has gone mad when we're not allowed to acknowledge that rioting is rioting and it is bad and that silence is not violence but violence is violence the world has gone mad when we're not able to say that hunter biden's laptop is a story worth pursuing the world has gone mad when in the name of progress young school children as young as kindergarten are being separated in public schools because of their race and that is called progress rather than segregation the world has gone mad there are dozens of examples that i could share with with you and you often say you say a lot of knows this and you say we're not allowed we're not able who's the people stopping the conversation who are they um people let work at networks frankly like the one i'm speaking on right now who try and claim that you know it was it was racist to investigate the lab leak theory it was but i'm just saying yeah and judging by brian stelter's body language he's either acting as if he's surprised like he knows he's being nailed here but it's acting as if he's surprised or give the benefit of the doubt is genuinely surprised to think that his network would be biased it would be one of those that is hindering the free discussion of ideas or or censoring certain things that are unfavorable to the network from getting out it's extraordinary but here's barry weiss a liberal either bisexual or lesbian feminist talking about the world's gone mad when you can't even say in public there are differences between men and women recently saw things circulating about yeah well because you can't say women you you have to say well non-prostate owners i mean it is madness friends let's keep speaking i'm not discouraged in fact let me end with this word of tremendous encouragement the same god who showed me that all these things would be happening in society and i documented go back 15 years or longer and we've been talking about these things and laying them out and saying where things are going to me it was self-evident where they were going it had to be i believe this same god that showed me these things would be happening or gave me the insight that they'd be happening also showed me that there would be a holy pushback a gospel-based moral and cultural revolution and friends we're going to be on the front lines it's how the pushback has been rising by the month by the year we need to couple that pushback with the fires of revival and america will be shaking another program powered by the truth network