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WAR ON CHRISTMAS: Secularists Target Military Gravesites

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December 15, 2021 12:00 pm

WAR ON CHRISTMAS: Secularists Target Military Gravesites

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December 15, 2021 12:00 pm

As we're ten days out from Christmas day, the attacks on Christianity by secularists are ramping up to a truly absurd level. The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has launched its latest attack, this time targeting Christmas wreaths being placed on military graves. MRFF has gone as far as saying these wreaths look like "Christian gang signs." Jay, Logan, and the rest of the Sekulow team break down this anti-Christian attack. This and more today on Sekulow .

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Christmas returns numerous military gravesites now want to hear from you, call one 800-6843 11 broadcast. Well it's getting very close to Christmas, which means the annual what is some group going to target for this holiday season.

The target of choice this year seems to be, and I think this one is really offensive is by military freedom from religion foundation of the military religious Freedom foundation. They have targeted a Christian gang symbol that Christian gang symbol to according to them is REITs that are being put out by an organization called wreaths across America.

They lay about 30,000 reefs, including at Arlington national Cemetery. There's a picture for those watching in our social media outlets and TV. They ladies at military outlets and cemeteries throughout the country west.

You said you seen the major event during the holidays at Arlington national Cemetery and veterans and military cemeteries around the nation. Arlington is the largest cemetery where Reese crossed America placed the reef, but is not the only cemetery. No, no, I'm the big the big event is going to be on Saturday so this is like that of the leader of the military religious Freedom foundation Mikey Weinstein said were not saying you gently reefs but you can't blanket like that, that looks like it's a Christian gang sign. These are his quotes that you're creating territory that is Christian territory. He then said that's like carpet bombing that looks like it's a Christian gang sign that you're creating again. He's he said territory that is Christian territory. Reese across the America organization, said that organization is really not involved in religion or politics, either for most of us probably didn't even know the recent traditional reason this is specific Christmas rates but that they are claiming this symbol of the wraith is a Christian solo Christian symbol, giving most of us to think of it as a principal, nice gesture flower arrangement you have it. Funerals are, or at least have the largest service is like Christmas, but we accepted the couplers REITs. Admittedly, this is just a course. Another way to insult even though they are the military insult families.

But one thing interesting explanation for reef. I'm a Christian and an Episcopal priest. I did know that the circle circle represented everlasting life to Jesus Christ. Maybe he made it up for this essay remembers that when you remember that will sure there are wrong is right is a tradition what's wrong with that, exactly, and it's another of the Savior to try to find some adults got on the screen. This time though it's different is consulting people in military that's that's that that's the main difference we designate as they don't put these Reese on if there's a star David on the on the on the marker. They don't put the wreath on their if there's precedent start putting imprisonment and not putting up Christmas wreaths, playwrights, and therefore very sensitive to this service. Members can observe at Arlington and cemeteries. Most servicemembers, you know, for whatever reason back, I guess because 72% of Americans claim to be Christian most military tombstones have a cross on them even if they never went to church unless they specifically put on their military record, not religious, you know it's interesting because we have we done battle with them before him in in cases and I just think the date date.

They do this just to aggravate you know it's interesting PR. It's interesting to me that they've that lesson they have the right to their opinion.

With the right sharpened by the way of God. We got a team-based LJ larceny letter together right now, especially to Arlington national Cemetery because we know that event is on. On Saturday, but you quickly running at 46 before the break, but it just Washington there's other things to worry about in Washington than this. You would think, no question about J just an example of no good or kind deed going unpunished and lucky. We got a respondent is that if you don't respond to MJ. Sometimes they do when working a win in the end, course, but you can't just ignore them.

You gotta stand up by the folks in your community.

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The work we simply would not occur without your generous record or matching challenge make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms you forgive today online LJ only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn, called mission will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the Obama care means many ways your membership is empowering the right question mission in life today online/everybody bullets are jamming up will hear from you of what's happening in your community on Christmas because let me tell you what's about to happen and that is the military religious Freedom foundation and their President Mikey Weinstein told Fox News that were not saying you can't play to read this because wreath across America about the laid there and started started language thousands 30,000 rates of military gravesites got a picture of it with put it right up there for people watching on books, watching on our social media platforms and ensure on on not television as well, and he said it's like carpet bombing that looks like a Christian gang sign that you're creating territory that is a Christian territory. Interestingly, he has not yet Harry sent a demand letter which is typically what he does and then we respond to it usually goes. The military leadership, and we respond where to do it proactively, this time working at send a letter to the God what you are saying we needed a senator which which moves exactly chief of staff of each of the branches of the military was the director of operations at Arlington right in the cheaper chaplains reach grant yes were to do that this this is not an establishment clause violation folks. But Harry Mrs. I cannot shock either that they would do.

This is a little shocking actually. Well I would say yes and no among elites. We have seen a long history of moves. Essentially, individuals who are fleeing religion. There also engaged in a flight from truth and they are also engaged in an embrace of unreality. And so if you look at recent poll results.

You can see a rise in the non-observant, but equally true. There is a rise in outright hostility to believers and so I think we are seeing this play out in this particular situation and depending on where you live in the United States you will see it in your local jurisdictions as well. You know I was thinking about the slogan we did we remember back in this 780s and 90s we had the nativity scene fights and when one knows and ultimately the Supreme Court and then you had the Christmas Carol sites and then you could say that we had a case in 1992 was long time ago where the sequencing know well because of the lyrics were still getting some of these are handled.

A lot of those. You almost settled law at this point, and some even worked on for the last 30 years. Occasionally an yearly URL now is when these things come up sometime sure is it for people like the ring from Rotary foundation of military Freedom foundation to get publicity and PR people remember they exist, of course, that is, a large portion of this is not necessarily actual campaign.

If you look at me. I will base you will elaborate what do they hope to win. Of course the web but this happens right now because they know it's good to get press were talk about right now we have to live you don't they do because it's easy. You said a lot of times was nativity scenes still in place is that the people don't know what the laws are you easily get removed taken down. Things get changed because someone gets a little bit of pressure from the other side and quickly. It's over. We should send out. If you remember the old days we send out a letter to every municipality in the country about what's can be done and can't be done during Christmas now because of the Internet were able to have the stuff all done digitally. We have up on a website right now the Constitution and the celebration of Christmas dispelling myths and he goes through what you can and cannot do. It settled on a number of cases even this week involving just these information letter so that's good were getting calls on this and I think it's great. We want to hear from you at 800-684-3110 want this to be interactive today so let's go ahead and take a call to Dan in Illinois on line 3 denier on their thousand 18 are nominated by brother were both truck drivers and became their auto driver for Rita because America broke their flagship truck from Maine all on the keyboard is great all the way down to Arlington and as a Navy veteran. He said that was the most solemn and impressive respectful he'd ever seen for veterans and fallen soldiers. The organization does not have a political agenda. They don't have any other agenda except to show love for the families of love for the soldiers your hundred percent correct and I'm not to keep selling this picture to our audience. I could see it. I'll tell you what it is for the audience already audience it's great the tombstones their degree markers with these really beautiful reefs around them and there's somebody. Cemeteries are literally thousands of them and this is a show of respect and honor, and the fact that it represents Christmas is got, you know, the military Freedom from religion foundation. You know all up in a tizzy over really something I have to be clear here that there is no constitutional law violation here this is this is this is just not what it is and the idea that they would make it this to me is just ridiculous.

And this means a lot to the soldiers whether you were a chaplain in the Army absolute and that's what I was thinking of as we are discussing this this morning I was reading the headlines I have dealt literally with thousands of ghost or family members, many of them are buried in Arlington and other national cemeteries because of where the cemeteries are located, especially Arlington. These family members. They do not get to visit their loved ones gray very often and I know from talking to them, whether it's wreath across America are the flags and that we doing Memorial Day. These families are so grateful that people remember their loved one, and that someone is placing something on the grave. It is touching.

It means so very much to them and if I mentioned to you during our production meeting. J now Arlington even allows and did not use the used to do this when Pam members do get to visit they can leave personal remembrances of their loved one around. The tombstones never did before. They never did before this because of so many people having died in the last 20 years on this world. Tara, this is a very sensitive issue and like I said I know from talking to these family members. They are grateful for organizations like wreath across America and I was there three months ago or so would get to see a lot of this firsthand at Arlington and all people that are there and they're still visiting and going out. This is really presence go Felix go to Jerry and Rhode Island ally one Jerry on the jury and I think you young secular right.

I think Mike just want my father veteran of Korea and Vietnam is buried in their eye.

I buried 40 or 50 people in it by the Marine honor guard and him trying to get standing to complain to. Maybe that didn't have somebody in Arlington. The fact of the matter is, the legalist was standing at the Harry.

I thought about that to what's his basis with the offended observer, knowing there's a wreath being placed on someone's great sites he so there so offended that they can try to bring a claim.

I mean really what I think certain lease's the standing issue would likely mean that he would be thrown out of court appropriately. Of course, and I so I think at the end of the day. This is a highly orchestrated publicity campaign to draw more attention to his organization in overtaking your calls 800 684 31 things we wonder what's going on in your community. Also, your reaction to this must be served in the military.

We would love to hear it when a prop from you when 800-684-3110. That's 800-684-3110 in your reaction. We also know was going on, your hometown, but then I was thinking about this email. This is where justices and judges matter and thinking about that in these cow in these cases play out today, and frankly, a lot better than they played out then illegally even 15 years ago when the judge is indigent day they matter J because sometimes these cases do have to be resolved in a court of law, even if we don't think that they should. Sometimes they get there and sometimes you get bad religion after peel them up to the process. The other thing I was thinking about J yeah I mean I think about the last caller and there's a temptation to say this is all about publicity will just ignore it and it will go away. J I think about the case that we handled involving the Capitol visitor center just a couple blocks from where I'm sitting right now that got constructed and somehow they omitted the national motto in God we trust and so Congress intervened. They passed legislation J and directed the architect of the Capitol to inscribe the national motto J the freedom from religion foundation took that the court is suitably art capital that right. We had to intervene intervened on Pat on behalf the members of Congress. If you walk into the capital that is better center. Now the first thing you see in giant letters above on on on on a being is is the national motto in God we trust appropriately so back I bring that up J to say you have to engage otherwise. These challenges can carry the day.

We are going to be gone in the next name of the broadcast. Talking about another victory that we that we have talked on the companies will highlight these, especially in December so you know what's happening… Not just the Supreme Court of the United States is not the international court may take it.

Sometimes it's just the local school district or a college or university heard about that case this week and we got another report commander workplace with a very interesting case, different religious freedom case that we think is important and that was a great we were taking her calls.

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So again ACLJ.Oregon coming up Logan were to talk about the victory.

Take phone calls got little update on Afghanistan later in the broadcast is a lot going on have a lot more coming up secular. Right now we are alive. If you want to be on the air for J and they will open up at 100-684-3110, 1-800-684-3110 if you want your light also Facebook on you to make sure you comment share this in people's feeds could get thumbs up. Subscribe make sure that you are telling people about this yoke is easy to type of news items like we said we don't bring attention to the quickly become reality. All of a sudden you have such a small little rooster about these reads becoming real dry backboard on second only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when used with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life. We've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later, planned parenthood's role in the Obama care means to discover the many ways your membership is empowering the right question mission in life today online/American Center for Law and justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those covering corruption in Washington fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress. ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge every dollar you donate $10 gift comes $20, $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ. The work we simply would not occur without your generous matching challenge make protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms you forgive today online okay mark the litigation councils up in our office in Washington DC, is joining us because we had a nice I like pleased to report that get resolved quickly and expeditiously because of the work of our lawyers, but I like I said is not everything is a Supreme Court of United States. Not everything is the international criminal court make not everything is court.

Sometimes you can just get them resolved. Christie also by the way was the Virginia bar young lawyer of the year, which were very proud of. So Christie, what will broadcast tell us a little bit about the background on this particular case it was an interesting one, because the sign that was put up became the central focus of this tell us about the case back to jail. Personal workstation now went out there and they were at their workstation and crop and however I'm trying to understand what spots you will see good Sabbath. Shalom is peace, so it's peaceful Sabbath good Sabbath.

Shabbat shalom is a traditional Jewish greeting on front going to Friday evening and on Saturday. Good Shabbos is what it said in in in Hebron yeah so it's it's a very common expression.

Now why this was compared to a Nazi symbol is beyond me.

Christie C1 explained that what I mean is that what their justification was here and allowing their equating that extendable Shabbat shalom. Good Shabbos is a traditional greeting that literally was creating a constitutional substantively intervened for this company which predicament different. Really, it's ridiculous. I'm glad we got resolved, but it shows you this and then comparing it to two think somebody could put up a Nazi symbol up there, which is by the way, not the case.

So I need to know what they're talking about the go-ahead. Well, I think your analysis is spot on. So if we focus on Shabbat shalom as a quote on quote of incentive either symbol or set of words I think it's important to keep in mom that we now live increasingly in a culture in which this type of confusion expands and I think it's part of a willful policy within corporations within institutions, and particularly with in you. Universities who see to find offensive statements even where none can indeed be found in Christian come back to the second, I want to go to Wes on this and I tie this into the wreaths across America in this sensitivity factor that anything that even hints of religion in good Shabbos is is not like a proclamation of about about world religion but it's just a recognition of that particular Friday, Saturday, for within the Jewish many messianic Jewish community as well, just to me it's this this lack of understanding is mind-boggling. 20 years after the Supreme Court resolve these issues, absolutely because you we have in America we have freedom of religion and religious symbols are allowed and they are everywhere.

There's a lot of misunderstanding in particular because corporations and companies they feel threatened by group that complain but we cannot let a litigious individual or litigious group wrought people of their free exercise of religion, or are symbols that are meaningful to them. Like the Goldstar family so let me let me try this back Christie, so this was in his private workspace other people out of the religious symbolism and chivalry. Other than that reference to you know a swastika which is really not makes any sense to think of any other reason. If they a lot of religious symbolism up why they were really targeting Shabbat shalom language that so the fact that Shabbat shalom was in the Hebrew was enough to get them concerned literally that they don't take it down right so what we do we draft and it sounds like an information letter laying out what his rights were what happened with that exactly 7 general manager at the entire company in many entire company and it was promptly signed was restoring the general manager when the heart and forward it to HR for the entire company can escape and all the country are following and protecting the rights 13 number one person standing up for the rights one plant in one town ends up affecting the human rights policy display policy for the entire company that's coast-to-coast so that should be encouraging and I certainly certainly are. This happens all the folks we get these all the time. We don't spend hours and hours talking about these owners but there are times when we want to. And this is one of those days. It does tie into the situation with reach across America. This religious sensitivity that's out there that still it smacks of something that might express faith. All of a sudden they treat like it's it's best that some ceiling tile that's always to argue. By the way, it was our line. I think Jordan Lawrence, a friend of ours came up with that and that in the 1980s and 90s.

They treat religion as if it's espressos in the ceiling tiles. You gotta cover it.

You gotta seal it. Don't let it out of the public square that you would think 40 years later, I think it was probably 35 years ago when Jordan came up with a door large and that we would be passed that but here we are. But the good news is we got resolved quickly and that is important. So Christie, thank you. Thanks for the work on that. We appreciate thanks for the update. All right, very good serial folks that shows you the nature and scope of our phone lines are jammed with time to squeeze wanted to minutes, let's go to Heather online one text header go-ahead Goldstar yes and yes. I love decorating everything not doubt about it.

I can't do right now and I can't travel out there that comforting knowing that not only are people who care and decorate and you think personal thank you for calling were so sorry about your loss, but your husband service to our country will never be forgotten. And I just want to say this. This is why these groups I get infuriated to say it with Mikey Weinstein's hyperbole here. You're such a tough guy you follow lawsuit because somebody want to play for you Mikey. What Heather just said she can't go to Arlington so she's thrilled that wreaths across America can do this for for family Wes. Thank you Heather for your sacrifice because you sacrifice so much we appreciate your phone call. We do remember you and this organization remembers you and will always stand up right so question will the first half-hour. If you don't get this on your local radio station broadcasting live right now on ACLJ.org and across social media and YouTube will be right back. The American Center for Law and issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms to you and your family. Give a gift today online ACLJ keeping you informed and now Jay secular: the last broadcast. That was just part warming wrenching at the same time and that is must be a young woman because her husband was killed in Afghanistan in 2012 so I'm guessing probably in her 30s and reach across America. Does this layout wreaths, the military cemeteries seeing it on your screen right now for those accountants are beautifully and of course the religious military religious Freedom foundation is saying that this is the equivalent of a carpet bombing of Mrs. really you know he likes hyperbole Mikey Weinstein and I debated my q. week going have it enough part of the legal process as part of life because it carpet bombing that looks like it's a Christian gang sign you're creating Christian territory in this area.

He said it's only wants to lay a wreath that's fine, but they don't want it done by a groups and mass well you know what they have the right to do a mass. This is a big organization for doing the right thing and it was exactly what the caller just said she click she was in Texas you can go to Washington every year to visit her husband. At Arlington and Logan just came back from all Arlington it is and fan year there. I think this is its it's very when you're at Arlington this it's a very somber and moving moment to think. It took like I granted my kids. We went through. They wanted to see exemplary melodies wars rustling that things are act is also very active cemeteries. This isn't something that will be hundreds of years old and there certain things. Sure this historical landmarks are specific people your visit or that's John F. Kennedy's tumor whoever but there still active funeral processions happening as you there you see everywhere is going on this like trim to her that. So for those families it out you people who are not just going there to see a historical mark or Presidents or historical figures, tombs that are going there actively have these funeral services every day they'll never know how many thousands they do year for this situation to even be on their radar is really unfortunate as we have met last call she said this even has to be a point of discussion with the calling it a Christian gang symbol. I mean this is this is I mean I know he does this work for his error wreath everywhere you turn crimes or teas offended by all the time for call what's economical we could take a call.

Let's go to Rachel who's calling from Connecticut on line 5 Rachel all will call on all night long. Then the direction of the siding night there was a well-liked and only the American population are right and so my height to brag about the benefit. The recognition and gravesite box actually said. Our mind is your right to sit with all the things going on in Washington. You would think this would not be on the list but here it is. This is is you will save the target of choice seems to be this one states the least we can do to honor those who signed up and volunteer to serve, and then ultimately paid the ultimate price like I'm just so thankful we have groups like this who will stand in the place of Rachel and Heather and others who can't come here to wear and honor this intake and it's not just wreaths. This time year, I mean the flag show up at the grave markers at Memorial day and an Independence Day that is part of the honor and being buried at Arlington Cemetery, and you will have groups like this that will honor you when you and your family can't be there to hear from you. We are hearing were getting great because we really appreciate disconsolate.

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Logan.

This is who Trevor is who Mikey thinks he is representing.

And they're not thinking that way.

No, I don't think that's true for most military people. And that's true for most people when they see a wreath as he said that Christmas is widely celebrated in America by people who are not Christian because it has become a me as a Christian and I wish it was strictly religious but it's not. It is a big holiday for people who have no religious affiliation or commitment at all in this whole issue about the reef was think about during our radio break. This is not about religion. Contrary to Mr. Weinstein. This is about honoring dad and a look at this quote from William Gladstone who said that show me the manner in which a nation care Schwartz dead and I will measure with mathematical exactness. The tender mercies of its people, the respect for the laws of the land in their loyalty to high ideals. This is Christmas and we honor our ward and by doing yeah you know, and Harry, Ivan, I've been racking my bouquet more calls at 964 3110 we really want to hear from you been thinking about this is where the right response Weinstein's group is not sent out as part or they may have. We don't know that based on the reporting they haven't sent a letter yet, but traditionally what they do are typically what they did was they send out a letter and in that letter they feel threatened. In doing this you are violating the establishment clause working to be proactive on this and what we've said to be proactive but were to do is were sending out a letter now to the director of Arlington operations.

The chief of chaplains and the Chief of Staff of each branch of the service, but specifically to Arlington because we know that's a big big activity on on Saturday but to create a religion claim here is ridiculous. Harry, I think that is correct.

So I think remembering soldiers at Christmas who have made the ultimate sacrifice is a way of remembering what society constantly forgets and so Lane reef at a military ceremony.

We then have an opportunity to remember the ultimate sacrifice that individuals have made, but increasingly we live in a society that is trying to privatize religion. David Horwitz points out that in Oviedo, Florida public school lunch monitor told a five-year-old child that she could not say grace. She bowed her head and prayed quietly so increasingly Americans in my view, no longer share a common culture. We are fractured we are fragmented and organizations like Mickey Weinstein's they are trying to accelerate that process.

The resource America are doing a veteran ceremony not too far from art studios this very weekend, so this is not just in Washington DC.

They literally do this all over the country. This a great thing and it's a great organization noncontroversial like nobody's try to create controversy. Notice group at all this. What bothers me. He doesn't notice group at all and he accuses them of creating a Christian gang sign that's like carpet bombing and that's the rhetoric he uses and he thinks it is all what you know just attacking another organization. That's why were responding folks to make clear what is with our phone lines are literally jammed people back about you and wait for quite some time. At first I would jot in Florida online. Three John the John and my calling. You got a great job. Thanks. Getting the and when I dial to be buried in Sarasota national Summit. And hopefully every Memorial day and hopefully get Christmas time somebody ago remember me but I gotta tell you I attended the Vietnam mom funeral just two months ago in Ohio and we did a slow salute at the end when caps were played. So my question is are they gonna ban taps to because the very last line of taps is for God is nigh about the service like you for calling. Yes, another idea where we are bit aggressive on this kind of thing since beginning I don't like is it with a former military colonel chaplain Col. Wes Smith, who's with us who you handled the dignified transfers of her people killed in action so this kind of trivializing or what would John said to me at the end of taps is God is nigh and yet that would bind sure we think that's a violation. You know whether Mikey Weinstein likes it or not, you know religion is part of the foundation of our country.

We don't we don't establish one particular religion that most Americans are people of faith, even if they don't go to church or our mosque or synagogue is part of who we are. But even if it were not. This is not again about religion. I think John for service as well and and but people like the MR FF they would they would eliminate every vestige of faith and religion in America if they could, and we simply cannot allow that to happen are our phone call show to us how meaningful symbols like wreath across America how meaningful it is to people who have served their love that picture back on the screen and fan. I want you describe for people what it's like in Arlington I mean I've been there a lot.

Logan and my grandkids and my grandkids just returned from their base. It's it's it's it's acres and acres and acres of people that serve our country. It's absolutely massive J my wife and I've taken her three young children there and it's really the best place around there a lot of monuments or a lot of war memorials.

I really think that that Arlington Cemetery is the best place to take children again, just show them the sacrifice that was made for all of us to live in a way that we do today, so you need to go any time of year. It's somber you you understand the sacrifice J but I think Logan references. It's also celebratory and you also see that the changing of the guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier and there is a there is in honoring that takes place every single day of the year, but one of the things that makes it special days.

If you go there at different times of the year at different holidays in different seasons. You see them honored in different ways and it is that sort of specificity that I think makes it such a great honor to to to Make Your Final Resting Pl. in Arlington.

If you start pulling some of these things away.

That honor is no doubt diminished. You know you're right appreciate that that was the call of a 60 on their top hi thank you for taking my call. My grandfather buried at Arlington Cemetery was awarded the Congressional medal of honor from World War I many of the people in my family have served, including myself, and I personally feel that I have standing to counter this, Mr. Weinstein. I don't know what to call it legal action. Sadist Tommy because of people like you. That's why this morning at about 10 o'clock 930. I said okay. He hasn't formally sent to demanded yet reach across America is doing their thing. Let's notify and sent her own letter explaining that this is constitutional in West pointed out, because we have Col. Smith as part of our team exactly who should get that the chief of staff of each branch of the service need to simply have this information as well as the director of Arlington national Cemetery and I would also include the chiefs of chaplain Beach branch of service. This this is a big deal to 2 PM all are ghost our families and to those who observe what were hearing that and you know and in that same meeting at Prof. Hutchinson's air and what we talked about what conceivable violation of the establishment clause could could military freedom from religion foundation bring up and in a week.

We concluded that their legal arguments will not have any merit, but the fact that they don't know anything about this group really may call it carpet bombing the kind of rhetoric that they use is so disingenuous. I think that's correct. I think it's also offensive. But at the end of the day. I think these individuals increasingly motivated by one thing and one thing only hatred of religion but also hatred of American history and this is all part of a coordinated effort to overthrow Western culture, and perhaps to reconfigure what our country stands for and I think the American people need to rise up, become aware of this and resisted to take more calls and our phone lines are over 1-800-684-3110. We also got email going out with our Afghanistan special as a gift.

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He says were not saying you can't play to place recent, like individuals are but you cannot blanket like that. That's like carpet bombing that looks like it's a Christian get this assistant is words that looks like it's a Christian gang sign that you're creating territory that is a Christian territory so again, the fact of the matter is they do not put the race start were star David Sartre were a symbol of the Islamic faith or any other pay for that matter present multiple face recognized their office or no faith at all.

And yes, these are Christmas specific dessert green and red Christmas. Yes, I do create an clause, a constitutional crisis over this, which is ridiculous.

Let's hope we got because what analysis is a brainstorming meeting with a few people say what have we done and that they forget that they came up with this. You know what somewhat smart. Excellent talk about the horrible idea because they need to be called out on this topic was were hearing from the military families, including an atheist called and said this is ridiculous that no one is offended by everything very few people. Let's go ahead and go to Steve Pennsylvania online. Once the welcome my culture. Yes, and current military that they reclaim everything under one and one thing I've noticed that there is no and a military having a lot of work a lot of trouble hearing you on your connection. Would you also said it makes me wonder if Mikey Weinstein or other right side mother Mikey Weinstein or people had family in the military actually serving military honorably on my site and in the thinking Ice Age Air Force. I believe, I think, is an Air Force Academy graduate, so we serve our country and I appreciate that.

I just disagree with them on the wall like really disagree with him on the one I think is this targeting is ridiculous but nevertheless we appreciate you calling it winter I get the rest of these calls and 864 3110 let's go to Carol in California like to be on their eye care. I call my very everything cemetery and I'm just wondering if Mikey Weinstein ever objected to the wreath at the team of the unknown soldier requested to read good question. I don't know what that he claims the wreath is the equivalent of a gang sign that represents because it's a circle everlasting life to Jesus Christ. I personally never heard that explanation but we placed Reese routinely at the tomb of the unknown Salado Pres. yes all funeral is very obsolete. This is a Christmas across the state. And that's what he's doing his thing is it's Christmas, but when after the candy cane but to revisit that this guy went after the day whenever the candy cane because they called Jesus candy on these other words, so we were sponge about when to but it just tells you what they're thinking I calls you get all these calls. I will try get as many as we can get Christine in Virginia online for Christine.

There might not. And we as a family online every year there. We are given to wire every read everything on Marcus call facility to participate in this and I've experienced that as well. During my time observing and in the District of Columbia. There are explicit instructions given. We actually do read the name the birthdate the death date that the date of service, someone at least twice a year. By doing this remembers out loud. The name of that service member that too is so meaningful to the ghosts, our families, and yet you Christine for that and They Do Not Pl., Ruth on the on the gravesite of people who are Islamic are Buddhist or Jewish just done for the other dendrites and if there was a ceremony to do for those face that would be fine to. That's what I don't understand about this.

It's not like you know this is not a government actor.

It's on its minutes and I guess your argument would be, well, it said it said it's Arlington's was government property, but they they've allowed this so that's kinda created a form they're not saying you can't put up a symbol of Judaism at holiday season or anytime you can even partially adorn the memorials now so there is no establishment clause violation here, this is Sam anything he's going for an organization and saying that they are engaged in carpet bombing veterans cemeteries with gang Christian gang signs. That's what he said and that is the front to the establishment clause. Actually, because, equates hostility towards religion yes so I understand Mickey's approach. Essentially, he is saying that Christianity among religions is uniquely offensive and some individuals follow along with that approach because they see Christianity as uniquely Western even though if you actually understand Christianity and Judaism and Islam all originated where in the Middle East and so I think at the end of the day.

This is still grounded in hostility to the nation's founding and to the nation's founding, which is tied historically to Christianity the pilgrims and other evidence of a Christian heritage right thing. I want to go to one Washington downer before we close the broadcast. Where are we with the build back better bill. Yes it's interesting day was following updates literally during the last break. It looks like they're actually moving away from it at the moment they can't get that 50th vote.

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