BREAKING: House Passes Massive Power Grab For Biden Admin

Breaking news today on Sekulow as the House passes a massive power grab for the Biden administration. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Sekulow. It's fully paid for. Fully, fully paid.

It does not increase the deficit one single cent. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments. Or call 1-800-684-3110. Many of you said you were going to say no. You couldn't vote for it until you got the CBO score because you wanted to hold them accountable that it couldn't cost money. You got the CBO score. It cost $800 billion in the first five years.

And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. That was Kevin McCarthy there as he stood up during this vote in the House for the Build Back Better plan, the $2 trillion spending bill, when the CBO report did come back and say, you know, this is not revenue neutral by any means. It's costing nearly $900 billion in its first five years because of all the spending here. Some of that spending we've talked about.

$80 billion to the IRS to hire 87,000 new enforcement agents. Now, we did get a victory out of this because the House, if there was any place that they were going to try to slip this language in, it would have been in the House where they had the most support for Build Back Better. It was a party line vote. We'll talk about what could happen to the Senate next.

But what did not make it in there is that $600 or that $10,000 in aggregate number that would allow the IRS to get into your bank account. Dad, we've already said if they try to do this, as they've talked about before, we can even play that bite later. If they try to do this through some kind of regulation, we believe that's a challenge that we will fight. Yeah, because that would be changing the law, which you cannot change the law through a regulatory process. Well, there's a lot of problems with this bill, and we're going to get into it, including 87,000 new IRS agents for an agency that's still not fixed.

But let's be clear where the victory is. And we'll have to keep our eye on it because of the regulatory issue. But the issue we were concerned about that we raised, I testified before a congressional hearing, was this $600 a month and then became, you know, $800 a month and then $10,000 over the course of a year ability for the IRS to have your bank spying, you know, for the IRS on your transactions. Fan, that is out of this legislation. It's out of the legislation, Jay, and it's a big win. I mean, look, even in the midst of very problematic legislation, it's so important to dig in on the weeds on the most problematic provisions. Look, because of the American people standing up and say, we will not tolerate this, they had to pull it out of the bill. Jay, I think there's going to be an opportunity in the United States Senate to also go after some of that overall funding increase that Jordan talked about. I know Senator Manchin, Senator Sinema are very concerned about those provisions. It did move out of the House largely on a party line vote. Only Jared Golden, he was the only Democrat to vote against the piece of legislation.

But you're right, Jay. I mean, that that IRS snooping provision, had it ended up in the House version originally passed, I think it would have been very difficult to remove. So even though there's going to be challenges going forward, getting that most problematic provision out of the House bill, Jay, that's really a huge win in the midst of a trying night here. Yeah, I mean, this again, folks, just to understand, has passed the House of Representatives. This has got a major uphill challenge in the Senate then.

So this fight is not over. It's actually far from over because we have senators on the record on the Democrat party who said they're not going for this. Well, and the House moderates, Jordan, the excuse that they said they were waiting on this CBO score. They didn't want it to cost anything. They wanted it to be revenue neutral. Well, Jordan, the CBO scores came back. It costs way more than the House said it would be, would do.

And it was nowhere close to revenue neutral. And yet all of them essentially held hands and voted for it anyway. Jordan, Joe Manchin's not going to do that now. He may vote for something in the end, but he's going to vote for a bill if he does that's dramatically different than this one.

And look, our listeners are a smart group of people. They know what happens if the Senate passes a different bill than the House does. The House would have to look at it again, Jordan. So look, we've got a long way to go on this one. Which could divide up the progressives and divide up the moderates. So here's where the pressure point moves. It moves to the mansions and cinemas of the U.S. Senate right now.

It will take them standing up to at least, as Stan said, make major changes to this and then send it back to the House to see if they can actually get their act together again when it's not just their Green New Deal wish list. We'll be right back on Sekulow. Take your calls. 1-800-684-3110. And remember, matching challenge month of November. Whatever you can donate today is double.

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We are taking your phone calls to 1-800-684-3110. So listen, listen, Build Back Better gets passed in the US House. Now the surprise there was that actually the moderates and the progressives were able to come together. As Stan said, the moderates had their excuse for what they were going to vote for. And they didn't mind the fact that it's going to actually cost billions of dollars after they got the CBO report. That's what they were holding out for.

But now it goes to a tougher place. That's the 50-50 divided US Senate. And it's not just one Democrat senator, but two who have expressed a lot of concern about the amount of spending here, the inflation going on in our country right now, and whether this is the best way to tackle that.

Like for instance, is the Green New Deal the best way to tackle the out of control gas prices at the pump right now, instead of even Chuck Schumer supports utilizing the strategic petroleum reserves. And what I've heard from people in the oil and gas industry is that wouldn't even necessarily be necessary if they were just allowed to deliver the oil, to keep it pumping at a level where the Biden administration that was trying to kill that industry. We were totally independent, energy independent a year ago.

I mean, you realize this. A year ago, we were totally energy independent. And prices were low. And I mean, was it $2.12 a gallon or whatever it was? I mean, now it's, I mean, I was driving somewhere. It may have been towards North Carolina.

I think it was it was some was over $4 depending on the taxes. But look, I mean, this is all part and parcel of what at the ACLJ, our office of government, this is a good day to focus on the office of government affairs. By the way, in the next segment, we're going to be talking about a case we're filing on a pro-life matter that's been filed today. So a lot going on.

Rick Rinnells joining us in the back half, but Than, I think it's important for people to understand that we, although that one provision that we fought so hard to keep out, we've had a good success. And by the way, I need to say this, Than was very engaged in on that issue as he engaged in all these issues, but this one, we particularly took an interest in because we, of any institution would know about potential abuse from the internal revenue service because we handled those cases. And then I did that hearing. I'll never forget it then it was in the next room to the studio. We did it by zoom, which before ways and means, I believe. And then I came in and gave a report from it here. It was amazing. The technology that everybody, our team was able to put together, but what was so great about that was it got attention to an issue that would have impacted literally every American.

Yeah. It's why we paid so much attention to this. Jay was going to impact the lives of literally every American and look, Democrats were never going to call an official hearing on this. So what the minority members of the ways and means committee did is they, they got with you and they said, look, let's bring attention to this matter. Maybe we can get it stripped out of this bill. Look, there's going to be a lot of other things in this bill that are going to need to be focused on, but we've got to get this one out because otherwise we'll be giving authority to an agency like the IRS, who we know will target conservatives, who we know will target Christians.

We've got to make sure that it's scrubbed. I'm sure that was a very full day on your end, Jay, but look at the end of the day, it was successful. That provision came out. And now, look, Jordan alluded to this. They were trying to pre-negotiate this whole package between house Democrats and Senate Democrats.

Jay, they, they failed to do that. And at the end, they actually shoved a bunch of things into this bill that are going to make it harder to pass the Senate things that Senator Manchin and Senator Sinema specifically opposed. So we're going to see how that all plays out. There's going to be a number of policy debates, spending taxes, the Hyde amendment. It's also going to have to survive some budgetary rules, but Jay, you have to take these things on one step at a time. We got a big win on that.

There's going to be more ahead, so stay tuned. But you know, what's interesting there, the house Democrats themselves had to get over internal fighting in order to get their bill passed because for a lot of them, this wasn't enough. So, I mean, right. I mean, this is half of what they wanted.

They wanted another trillion point five trillion. Yeah. Now I think, well, let me do this real quick for our Facebook audience. I know that most of you are listening on radio and see your sexting birth. Those who watched the broadcast through different channels, Facebook had a little delay through their server. It wasn't your computer.

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So I encourage you to share it with your friends and family. I'll be talking about the lawsuit in the next segment with Frank Manion from our team. Uh, let me play this for you. So reporter asked, uh, about the CBO and you said, you know, American people, they wanted to score it at zero.

It is not scored at zero. Take a listen. Bite nine. How do you respond to Republicans today that say Democrats lied to the American public when they said this plan costs $0 when the CBO says it at least adds $160 billion to the debt? Let's just not, uh, present what the Republicans say is any fact that you're predicating a question on. I mean, understand what's happening around here.

Okay. I mean, that was, we just talked about that it wasn't some Republican fact. It's the congressional budget office. And it was moderate Democrats saying they're waiting for that score. During there are a bunch of sophisticated outfits that have put out scores on this.

Guess what? The lowest, the most conservative score on this. It's the congressional budget office. I mean, the other scores are somewhere between 4 trillion and 5 trillion for actual costs because they don't believe the federal government when they say, we're going to sunset these programs after five years. Of course, they're not going to sunset them.

They never do. So the real cost is going to be more than $4 trillion. But you know, Jordan, what is speaker Pelosi going to say?

Her members said, we want to wait on the CBO score. It's got to be a deficit neutral so we can spend a whole bunch of money. As long as we collect a lot of taxes from the American people to pay for it, which by the way, I think that's a double whammy, not one good thing and one bad thing, but the score came back Jordan. And it said what Republicans said, it's going to be hugely expensive. It's going to be high taxation. And the third whammy it's going to add to the deficit.

The CBO agreed and her members voted for it anyway. So, you know, I don't feel sorry in the lease for speaker Pelosi, but at the same time there wasn't a way that she could answer that question. There was going to put her in a good light. No, I mean, this is again, when she gets pressed again, uh, for, uh, the speeches, take a listen, bite eight. You used to hold the record for the longest four speech. How do you feel about that being broken?

And do you plan to try to take that back? No, I barely noticed that, but, uh, that's not what we're here to talk about. This is about serious business here. You realize where the press is. I mean, you want to any examples of how praising the press is to the far left. And I'd say Pelosi's crossed over there with this to trial spending that they laugh about floor speech numbers when they're talking about spending 2 trillion more dollars at a time where there's rapid inflation problems with our, our entire, uh, infrastructure when it comes to the supply chain. Uh, and by the way, they've got for Christmas year.

I mean, you got no answers for you is what I said, uh, for short-term solution. And then on top of all of that, the, you know, the, just the inflation, uh, nice and 30, the inflation rate right now is the highest. I think they said in 30 years, Joe Biden's numbers are at 36% in the thirties in approval. Now let's get a little political for a second here, Sam. I mean, it's very rare to see a President of the United States, uh, drop into that mid thirties number.

Yeah. And Jordan, it was, you know, historically it's always problematic for a sitting President, especially when they control both chambers heading into a midterm. But guess what? With inflation going through the roof and Democrats in Washington, DC only offering one solution and Jordan, it's one that's going to drive inflation even higher, put the squeeze on family budgets even more. I suspect that number for President Biden is going to go down, not up. And Jordan, one other thing, look, I just have to respond to speaker Pelosi chuckling. Look, she can have a different view on this, but this is not funny. I mean, the CBO score came out late afternoon and she wanted to put the, uh, the vote on the floor to spend what is going to be North of $4 trillion just a few hours later. So you had the house version of a filibuster leader McCarthy speaking for eight and a half hours.

Look, she can disagree with leader McCarthy, Jordan, but it's not funny. And it's the American people that are going to pay the price $550 billion for climate change through incentives and tax breaks a half a trillion dollars. In addition to what's already in these budgets, this is the new one. And of course they wanted more money for that. Uh, employers are having enough problems getting employees. So now let's have mandatory four weeks of paid family and medical leave. Now, a lot of companies do that anyways, voluntarily.

Why does the federal government have to start mandating? This goes back to what the conversation we had yesterday. Um, so they didn't get what they wanted, but they still have been able to socially engineer, at least in the house of representatives, their view of where this should go, where the country should go, but they're doing this. And this is what's so ironic to when they're doing this with a 36% approval rating by Joe Biden.

Well, this is the classic move. They either think that by one, they have to do this to, to placate their base, which is around, so that should be higher than 36%. But again, the base doesn't like a lot of what they're doing. They don't think it's extreme enough.

And they don't like what's going to happen to send it to this, which is likely it's does ever pass or it's cut apart and taken apart. And then it goes back to the house and the war begins in, but he, they are falling into that direct trap of pushing, pushing legislation. The American people don't want that. Some people in their own party don't even want. And this happened to President Obama.

Vice-President Biden should remember what happens when you do this before midterm elections. Um, the States that become the races that go into play are all over the country. I mean, we're not just talking about purple States anymore. It's everywhere. Only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable and voiceless deserve to be protected.

Is there any hope for that culture to survive? And that's exactly what you were saying. When you stand with the American center for law and justice to defend the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn. It's called mission life. It will show you how you are personally impacting the pro-life battle through your support. And the publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases, how we're fighting for the rights of pro-life activists, the ramifications of Roe V Wade 40 years later, play on parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obamacare means to the pro-life movement. Discover the many ways your membership with the ACLJ is empowering the right to life. Request your free copy of mission life today online at ACLJ.org slash gift at the American center for law and justice. We're engaged in critical issues at home and abroad, whether it's defending religious freedom, protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. I'm covering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy and fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress, the ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support.

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Give a gift today online at ACLJ.org. So last year we told you about the city of Louisville, a failed attempt to crack down on pro-life sidewalk counselors tried to use the COVID pandemic as cover. And then that did not ultimately go into the law. They didn't pass that. But the new city council, which has a different political balance, took up the buffer zone measure again this year.

And this year's version of the ordinance makes no mention of the public health emergency. It was about alleged history of blocking and obstructing and harassing healthcare facilities. Well, we at the ACLJ represent those sidewalk counselors. Our senior counsel, Frank Manion, joining us now because we have filed a lawsuit in federal court or in Kentucky.

And, Dan, this is, again, it's just core ACLJ. We fought at the Supreme Court and we're right back here fighting at the district court. You know, I just was going to say, as we have Frank come on here, you know, we were just talking about something at the national level where we worked hard to get a piece of legislation in the Democratic House modified so that it would take out the ability of the IRS to, you know, spy on, you know, and get access to every American's records if it had more than $800 in transactions.

Initially, it was $600 in a single transaction. We got that out. We got to watch what they'll do regulatory. But then also at the same time we're doing that, we've got our lawyers like our senior counsel, Frank Manion and his team filing federal case in the Western District of Kentucky on an issue that's front and center for the ACLJ and that is pro-life counseling outside of abortion clinics. Frank, tell us about the case.

Frank Manion Sure, Jay. You know, as you said, this is core ACLJ work. You've argued two of these cases at the Supreme Court. One of those, Hill v. Colorado, the cities and towns across the country are still focusing on, even though in 2014, the McCullin v. Coakley case, a unanimous Supreme Court, including, you know, RBG and Sotomayor placed sidewalk counseling by pro-lifers at the top of the hierarchy of free speech and struck down a buffer zone ordinance in Massachusetts and most importantly, in the context of this case, completely ignored Hill v. Colorado. In other words, they didn't explicitly overrule it, but essentially they said that case doesn't have any impact or any effect on what we're doing here. What's happening is local governments, like in Louisville, like in Englewood, New Jersey, where we're getting ready for a trial at the beginning of next year, have simply ignored the McCullin case and in our case against Louisville, we're calling them to account and saying, you just can't do this. If you've got people breaking laws, obstructing, hindering, assaulting, harassing, go after them.

You're easily capable of doing it. You don't shut down part of the traditional public forum to peaceful sidewalk counselors. So, you know, you mentioned, because I think it's worth pointing out here, Frank, that I went to the Supreme Court twice on this, and then the third case came out and there's probably a series of about four of these cases involving these buffer zones. We had the floating buffer zone.

Remember that one? And then you had, like, wherever anybody went, you couldn't talk to them. You couldn't hand them a piece of literature. So here's the question that I know with our audience is saying, well, goodness, you all argued this at the Supreme Court. Then there were subsequent cases that even affirmed it even more. And you're still having to go back to the district court to enforce what the Supreme Court already said is the law of the land. It's unbelievable, Jay. And what's happening is I think you have local governments giving into vociferous, well-funded, influential pro-abortion constituencies where they are. And we saw it in Englewood, New Jersey, and we're seeing it here in Louisville, Kentucky. And they're just ignoring what the Supreme Court said in McCullin.

It's just amazing. We shake our heads. I think this was a unanimous Supreme Court decision in an abortion case that went our way that has never, ever happened.

And so they just pretended it didn't happen. And they go back to the Hill case and to other cases that we've easily distinguished. And that's why we're hopeful that either we're going to get our preliminary injunction, we filed that motion today, or we're going to get this up to the Sixth Circuit. And we've got one going up into the Third Circuit too. And, you know, the way I see this, Jay, is this is going to be the chance for you to get back to the Supreme Court and finally have them drive the stake in the heart of the constitutional goal that is Hill versus Colorado. Yeah, could you imagine, finally, I mean, before 30 years later, Frank, I think I was 35 when I argued that thing.

I'm 65. It's like, you know, it's like, it's like Groundhog's Day. It keeps coming back around. I mean, exactly. I mean, I mean, Pat Monahan and I have been arguing these cases. I didn't, you know how long now? Since 1985. Yeah. And I know you were doing those, Frank, back in the 80s.

So if my math is correct, what is that, 37 years? I don't even want to think about it. We look the same. Exactly.

Maybe you do. I said, you know, Frank, one of the things I thought that was worth pointing out was that when we did, last year when this failed, they were trying to literally doing this when Louisville was experiencing massive protests after the verdict with Breonna Taylor. And then at the same time, this is how aggressive this pro-abortion movement is, Frank, I think it just shows that, that at the same time that was going on, like the streets were not being able to be under control, they were trying to get through this buffer zone.

Yeah. They're going after, you know, quiet, calm, caring, pro-life sidewall counselors who just want to give women alternatives to abortion. And frankly, I think the reason they go after them is that they're successful at persuading women to not go through with abortion. 50 times a year, our clients have been successful in turning women around by offering them caring, loving alternatives to abortion. And so under the guise of trying to go after lawbreakers and obstructors and harassers, they really want to go after the sidewall counselors because they are successful. You know, it's interesting to me, Frank, as I reflect on this, and I want to thank our ACLJ members because the truth of the matter is we could not do this without you.

And it does take incredible perseverance. I was just thinking about that. I was thinking about those early days of those cases, you know, 37 years ago. And then in the nineties, it was a big issue. We gave me the Shang case and then, like you said, Hill versus Colorado. And then there was Madsen. Remember all those cases.

And then you had a, I know you, Frank, and the team did around the country. And yet here we are again, having to do this as we're actually winning on the abortion issue. And look, women facing a crisis moment in their lives, having an alternative to an abortion is really important. And I applaud those women that make that difficult choice sometimes for them. I mean, we think about it and we say, well, but we're not the person that's having that situation. And I applaud the willingness to have the child and bring that child to term.

I've got six grandkids. I mean, the technology now, my brother-in-law Gary Hickson said this many, many years ago, the technology was going to get to such a point that they would never be able to, the pro-abortion crowd would never be able to deny that this was a child in the mother's womb and that technology is there. Yes, it is there. And it's making it more and more difficult for this movement to try and pull the rug over people's eyes. It's ultimately here. We fight all of these battles and we've continued to fight all these battles because we believe in free speech. We believe in the rights of these sidewalk counselors. We believe in the ability, also we believe in the life of the unborn and we believe that we should do everything we can to protect it. Whether that's supporting a case out of Texas, whether that's supporting the case out of Mississippi on December 1st at the Supreme Court, the Dobbs case, whether it's in South Dakota on informed consent. I mean, we are working on so many and always have on every single front when it comes to life.

Every way legally possible, whether it's protecting your pro-life speech, whether it's protecting a pro-life viewpoint, whether it's actually fighting directly the abortion industry and late term abortions and supporting that legislative bans on those late term abortions. And now we've entered a new era where we can directly challenge Roe versus Wade and the Supreme Court has decided they're actually going to hear for the first time since Casey a new challenge right on his face to Roe versus Wade. Folks, we are gaining momentum in this fight.

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We will fight for the right to live in freedom. keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is secular and now your host jordan secular all right welcome back to secular so so far already on the broadcast today we've broken down what the house was able to pass last night this uh build back better plan two trillion dollars uh cbo which was on the lower side of how much this would cost i said it's in the it's in the over a hundred billion dollars it's going to cost some estimates heavily in 800 billion dollars uh but but i want to go back real quick to than on this because there's a major power grab for the irs we have been able to remove the provisions uh for the irs to be able to just go right into your bank account uh without having to get a court order uh for first they won it for 600 worth of transactions that got nixed then it was 10,000 in aggregate which is basically the same thing because over a year uh most people if you have a if you are in the irs system paying taxes taking in any kind of income you've got those that amount of transactions over a year that was taken out but the the power grab by the irs so i think it's important to point out that uh they're getting 80 billion new dollars that is that is not that far off from their yearly budget right now it's almost as if we are doubling the size of the irs if this were to pass the senate and we're adding 87,000 new enforcement agents and we've heard from the administration they think that even though they couldn't get those provisions in to get into everybody's bank accounts they're going to try to do it through regulation we say if that ever becomes law this this this build back better plan and they try to do that through regulation we will fight it and we're pledging to do that right now but then i mean this is again it's it's the big question is does any of this survive the u.s senate and you see that provision uh surviving if others are cut yeah well first of all jordan you're right i mean the irs language it's a two-edged sword first of all is very important for us to get that most problematic language out but look the the 80 billion dollars and 87,000 new agents that they're going to hire that could be problematic a very problematic jordan in another way i mean we did the math on this if you hire 87,000 agents with the 45 billion dollars of enforcement that's in the bill each agent jordan would have more than 500,000 a year to conduct audits so what that means is a whole bunch of people that never met the threshold or the risk level before for getting an audit are going to get an audit under this plan if it's enacted so that's hugely problematic we're going to continue to focus on it to answer your questions about the senate jordan first on that provision yes i think there's an opportunity for that to come out senator ranching was very influential with the President saying this is the snooping provision has to come out i think he could be effective in getting that provision out of the senate as well but now look will it pass the senate i think there's an opportunity for it to pass the senate but if it does jordan it's going to look dramatically different they're going to have to come up with something that satisfies all 50 senators including both the progressives like bernie sanders and then senator mansion and senator cinema but here's the thing jordan they've got to do that while simultaneously satisfying senate budgetary rules known as the birdbath and jordan they've got to pass something that can go back to this house that just passed this narrow version and pass the new version so there's a lot of hurdles ahead and here's the thing that we've got to do we've got to make sure we take every point in that legislative process to try to remove the most damaging provisions here you know let me go to the phones uh actually we're going to do we come back for the break so alan we'll get right back to you we come back from this break uh let me 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at a marriott in prague ultimately they were able to find another hotel but they should be able to do that to be rick it showed that right there is the example of chinese power we got a little audio problem with rick yeah we'll check back in i'm going to tell you what that what that rick will see if we can get that fixed if we'll check that out but it does show their power because the the wiggers are terribly persecuted it's known around the globe that this is a problem the chinese government also has been very clear in not responding to uh pressure and the fact is that this wasn't even as you said jordan in china this was in prague prague and they cited the marriott cited political neutrality well how many marriots have you been to with political events in the u.s i mean they don't that's definitely not their policy here i would think it was their policy and democrats they kind of bizarre that's their policy in prague over some political uh uh activity in uh in china but rick to me let me just go back to you that's serious power when u.s companies uh are so afraid of doing anything that could upset china that they will not allow this group that's being persecuted to hold a conference uh halfway across the world look uh it's happening in europe and i wonder if it would be able to happen here in the united states i'm all for companies getting to choose uh who comes and who doesn't come but i think that people need to realize uh that there are consequences to marriott deciding that they want to stay politically neutral i haven't seen marriott stay politically neutral in the cancel culture for instance in the united states certainly there are groups that they don't want at their properties that are affiliated with donald trump and we've seen some of those examples but i think you've got to live and die by your choices and if marriott decides that they don't want to take a harsh stance against china they might have some nba players that will come and visit their properties but i think they're going to find a lot of other americans and europeans are going to say that's not what i value and i don't want to stay there we can we can vote with our pocketbook you know the one of the conference organizers uh for the week is here said that they were you know stunned by the response of the marriott corporation and which is stunning actually is and we've all stayed at marriott's i mean it's not like that we haven't stayed at marriott's and you know the marriott corporation and the marriott family should understand religious freedom because it was a company that's leadership is mormon seven uh the church of latter-day saints and if they and that's always religious freedom has always been a big issue for the mormons now you've got a group that's being systematically i mean their lives ended they are literally placed in concentration camps and as you all know i do not use that term lightly because i had family that died in concentration camps and an american corporation buckles to china rick okay this is the growing power of china especially in europe and i think what we have to be able to do is recognize and articulate that the chinese system is not a free system but let's be really honest i mean they deny systematically uh access to the internet they have human rights abuses and we have a whole bunch of american companies who um go and open up markets in china collect a lot of money um but they don't take a stand like they do in america and i i think that they have to be able to live and die by this sword if you're going to work inside china if you're going to have a company that's based in china the chinese communist party requires you to have a to have a chinese partner and that partner is obligated to turn over information uh activities all of that to the chinese communist party that's just a fact you you don't get to do work in china and pretend like you're just there to do business and and push capitalism because your chinese partners behold into the communist party of china i'd like to go to you have any follow-up on china i was going to go to iran because this is another one go ahead final question i had on china rick was that you know we know that the olympics is is uh going to take place winter olympics there i know there's been calls for the u.s not to participate there's been calls maybe for u.s delegates not to attend but to still let our athletes who have trained attend but again it to me this just it's like the pre-event this olympics to a real potential new chinese aggression it's like they're waiting to take action in taiwan until after they can show the world and put on their propaganda campaign but we've been talking about the olympics now for uh 18 months and i think that you have to make a quick decision and let our athletes know that we're boycotting if that's the policy that we're going to push i believe now it's a little too late where our athletes have been uh training and it wouldn't be fair to deny the athletes that uh venue i will say though there are things that we can do how about a corporate ban we could bar u.s companies from giving any money to the olympics and supporting them and and squeezing them where possible no i think that's great i want to go to iran so here we go the we know the biden administration is trying to get cozy with iran again we've been talking about that with you for for months here now we've got a report not a report the justice department has uh indicted two uh iranian nationals for attempted interference in the 2020 election that includes influencing alleged republican lawmakers democratic voters american news outlets the indictment was unsealed on thursday uh there the state treasury department's now imposing a new sanctions on six iranian people and one iranian entity these were aggressive attempts according to the indictment the iranian conspirators sought to compromise 11 state voter registration and voter information websites in september and october of 2020 and say successfully exploited computers in one unnamed state now no one's you know no special counsels on all of this but they did indict him good for them but this all comes while the biden administration is begging at the table to get a deal with iran look this is the hypocrisy of washington dc because uh what we heard during the russia russia russia collusion hoax was a blanket punishment of russia no doing business because of the misinformation and propaganda campaigns that they were pushing now we see an aggressive iranian regime activity and there's all but silence from the implications of what that means for our policy if we're going to be consistent then we should shut down any negotiations on the nuclear deal to punish the iranian regime for their manipulation of the american election we need to be consistent here and the problem is is that washington dc has only one standard and it's a double standard but here's the two men were charged rick we only got two minutes here accused of obtaining confidential voter information from at least one state's election website getting data on more than 100 000 voters the state was not identified in the indictment but a hundred thousand voters information was compromised by the iranians while the biden administration is sitting there trying to have negotiations with them look uh this is not going to go over well in europe if we pull the plug but i believe that there should be uh consequences that are applied equally when we find that individuals are are manipulating or trying to manipulate uh our elections clearly this is the case and the silence is deafening from washington dc we need to be able to have state department types john carrey anthony blinken and all of the others who are trying to push negotiations with iran to look at these issues and to be able to say uh there is a reaction from americans because of your activities trying to influence our election let's be 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challenge today you can make a difference in the work we do protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms that are most important to you and your family give a gift today online at aclj.org you're right folks alan's been holding on now alan from minnesota so if you got more to say alan i know you heard a lot of our discussion i i will give you the time to do so well right well thank you uh my my question is this over and over again in the senate and in the house both they've been proposing these massive bills thousands of pages huge price tags and it was having all kinds of different ramifications with very little time to actually review the legislation my question is are the legislators senate or house who are actually voting on these things taking the time or even having the time to read them and understand what they're voting on i want to go to stand on this because then i want to kind of explain it through two ways i think one a lot of them rely on their conference so you rely on the democratic conference to kind of walk you through but have you have you you've worked on capitol hill are there offices that do put i mean sometimes it'd be impossible for one person in the time that they have but offices that put together a group and then go through it they do the right thing offices there are offices that try to do that jordan they're off or also coalitions of offices they kind of band together and break it up and try to read through it but look i mean i'll just answer alan's question as honestly as i can it would be physically impossible even in a combined capacity like that to have read this bill that they passed yesterday in its final form jordan in the time that was afforded to them and here's why i mean the rules committee was waiting for the cbo score to put out a rule for debate on this that rule didn't come until almost the dinner hour last night and then it was on the floor by 8 p.m now look a lot of this text had been available in various forms and in various combinations as you go along but jordan when you're putting out you know one 2500 page bill and then one 2800 page bill and then one 3000 page bill it doesn't make any sense to read them in piecemeal form you need to know the final form if you're going to try to do the due diligence that alan is talking about the way this happened yesterday jordan there is physically no way that a single member of the house of representatives read that entire bill in its final form before they had to vote on it you know so i mean there you go alan it's that no single person could do it there are offices that try and do the right thing i mean so i think that there are members and their staffs who try to do the right thing but but ultimately here the way that this has been played especially by democrats since the affordable care act is find out what's in it after you pass it and nancy pelosi said that about this bill she said you know ultimately uh the american people will like it once they figure out what's in it i mean it's the same kind of statement yeah so it's interesting ken on facebook said it looks like um erdogan because we didn't get a chance to talk about that um in turkey who's the economy is once again in real trouble um won't make it through the next election because of the economy will this cause more destabilization in the region he is a destabilizing force in the region to be quite frank and i'm glad uh ken you brought this up we have a lot of expertise in turkey we've written a book on turkey uh called burning bridges and that's exactly what the the turkish regime has done they have burned bridges they were a bridge to europe they are no longer that they islamized they they yeah they were a country that was under atta turk was very secular in its approach there was more religious freedom then and the jewish community in and turkey's pretty much gone the christian community is down to literally three thousand this was one of the central places of of christendom uh the orthodox church is headquarters it's in constantinople and but yet erdogan who continues to put pressure on uh his people is trying to manipulate the own economy this time though it backfired yeah uh the question is you know does that cause more destabilization in the region and i think erdogan gone would actually be more of a stabilizing force depending on who's behind yes i always like to say like what i want to do more because i've seen these news reports pop up really in the last day or two and it's about the turkish lira just taking a dive even though they've been uh making cuts uh trying to uh uh cut the cut the rate by just one percent and it's uh lost a third of its value since march so imagine if your dollar bill has lost a third of its value throughout the world too we're not just talking about inflation we're talking about uh what it what it is if you try to trade it for a different kind of currency or if you're buying goods at one rate well now it's a cost a third more uh so this could be a serious challenge to a strong man who appeared to be setting himself up for kind of the putin style leader for life uh situation but as as my dad cautioned let me always caution on these issues involving uh turkey and anywhere in that region of the world what now we have to do is look at who would be likely successors to earn a wand some would probably be bad some would probably be great who is actually has the best chance because what he did was he ushered in a new era of embracing uh islam and mixing it with politics he brought back the burkas uh and again you know in what it's since we allow that kind of religious liberty and freedom in our country i would never think of not allowing it but he brought it back as this symbol of it's no longer at a turks turkey yeah so akon adamir you remember him it was a fellow at i think hudson um if as this situation develops he was one of our fellows at our oxford center as well uh he's an expert on this area and as this situation develops we will keep an eye on it but then you you've touched this issue directly we had pastor bronson we've had a lot of dealings on the turkish front this um it's not it is getting news i mean it's people are starting to hear about it it could be a big deal in the next 30 days it could be jay and as i was thinking about this i think there's actually a lot of symmetry between uh the bronson situation and the one we're facing mainly because that was the last time that the lira really started to collapse in turkey and it was because President trump took the detention the imprisonment of pastor bronson so seriously and said i'm going to sanction the lira started to collapse and lo and behold uh President erdogan started to talk and and and andrew bronson was eventually released uh now as the lira collapsed though jay i mean i think i think the symmetry is that uh the people just aren't going to stand for it i mean when the pressure started happening the last time they demanded that pastor bronson be released now they're standing up and saying look this may not be the right guy to lead our country you definitely need a stabilizing force in that region jay but as jordan says i mean look it's certainly unstable now would would the replacement be more stable you just don't know at this point that's like the situation i mean i i hate to say this it's like the situation in syria i mean you just don't know if the person behind it is going to be worse than the person you're dealing with uh but having said that you know we're obviously on top of it and we've done a lot of work there debbie on facebook asked this question fan what do you think happens in the senate with this bill i guess we should let's bring that to closure uh for the weekend what do you think well they're going to move to it right after thanksgiving and they're saying jay that they want to try to be done with it by christmas i mean look you know what deadlines in dc mean not a whole lot i'll tell you this they've got a lot of work to do on it i mean they've got to come to a policy agreement they've got to survive budgetary rules at the bottom line a ton of stuff is going to have to come out of this bill for it to even comply and then they're going to have to get all 50 senators on board you know when i try to predict these things jay and it's sort of a fool's errand to do it but when i try to predict them i almost always predict on the side that some form of spending will pass and so you try want to try to make that as least damaging as possible but can they pass something out of the senate that also survives in the house i mean i guess if i were forced to predict i would say maybe something slimmed down uh but jay it's far from certain and there's there's just a lot of work ahead on it to scrub some of the worst provisions that's the bottom line i mean look what we did we discovered to discuss today iran turkey congressional action on a bill with the irs 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