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IRS Caught Targeting Christians; Senators Demand Answers

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August 18, 2021 1:00 pm

IRS Caught Targeting Christians; Senators Demand Answers

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August 18, 2021 1:00 pm

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has been caught in another potential targeting scandal. We beat the Obama IRS in federal court when they targeted Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations. This time they're targeting Christian organizations. Last month, the ACLJ filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to get to the bottom of this. But now, Senators James Lankford, Ben Sasse, and 11 other members of the U.S. Senate have sent a letter to the IRS demanding answers about this latest example of IRS targeting. Jay and the rest of the Sekulow team discuss this developing IRS scandal as it unfolds on Capitol Hill. This and more today on Sekulow .

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Jay Sekulow the IRS is caught targeting Christians and US Senators demand answers and so does VA feel great now. This is what I hear from you Sharon post, call one 800-6843 11 broadcast later when, in order to escape were 31 said we thought about what now the United States Senate is fully involved in this issue and that is about five months ago she started for a group called Christians engaged and they had trouble with the Internal Revenue Service. It was a flashback. Basically what we dealt with back in all four years ago five years ago actually will be filed federal lawsuit against the Internal Revenue Service because they were targeting conservative organizations and tea party organizations and organizations that they like their name if they have liberty in it and they would get this incredible scrutiny with questionnaires that were not only violations of statutory law been violations of the Constitution itself. We went to federal court and ultimately we prevailed both in getting an injunction causing the IRS to change their policies but also monetary damages in a companion case filed in Ohio. Nice sale. That is a prelude to the back for five years. After that we had no problems representing nonprofit organizations getting the tax exempt status. But Christians engage was denied their status initially ready for this because they use the Bible they had a legend on the IRS letter that said a D people Republican, would you think would equal Democrat and he said these the positions are taking a based on biblical worldview is the IRS not of been even writing. We filed a are filing a Freedom of information act request to find out exactly what happened. Cost and argue the IRS has violated the very injunction they sign were to get to the bottom of what happened but now US Senators have entered the situation Logan and they have now asked questions.

That's right, we give a kick in here to talk about this with they have sent in a letter. Also, the IRS Langford many others, a demanding really response of what happened here is good for the organization in the got imagery of a fight with preserving get there 501(c)(3) status.

However, that doesn't solve the root cause, which is what happened here.

What actually led to them being you get this letter saying, basically because you believe in Christian worldview, and they list a number of different things that automatically means your conservative economy means your public image automatically means you not of your political group and are denied tax that status is a pretty wild precedent. They would even put it in paper fan really is Logan. The reason United States Senate is involved now is because back in 2018.

In addition to the consent decree that your dad was talking about Congress actually told the IRS in statute that they cannot engage in this targeting again Nate. They said things like to be on the lookout list are outlawed, they called the Lois Lerner rule and was passed as part of the appropriations process. So in there statutorily permit are prohibited from doing what they have now done again what we have today.

Logan is a letter sent from the United States Senate. It's led by Sen. Langford, Sen. sass and 11 other Senators basically demanding answers and demanding to know why the IRS apparently violated the law and who is responsible for and so you know, we see this a lot. Logan a lot of times it takes a dual track. It takes a FOIA effort from the outside on our part to get the information on how this happened and it takes an inside effort inside the United States Congress. That effort is underway now. Thanks thanks to these 13 senators about the bottom line.

In my view, Logan the IRS is again violating the law and targeting Christians.

I has to stop that. I limited it is that further yeah and not have to stop there already violating not only their own guidelines of the laws of the violating the Senate to create that the IRS voluntarily entered into in light of our litigation and they don't get it both ways.

But you know when this started within months of the five administration coming into office.

The case was settled we had no problems with the front of his face. And obviously this is nice people in their Logan.

This started, as we have a long history with this red Tucker that is well we have fought back against the IRS and ones will hear from that, not later in the show they were actually more more than ever, special articulate from IRS documentary will do that later in the show pronouncing phone calls 164 3110 support the work of ACLJ during a matching challenge ACLJ.the American Center for Law and justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress. ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help the way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ. The work we do. Simply would not occur without your generous record in our matching challenge today make a difference in the protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you and your family. You forgive today online ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is certainly is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice defend the rights of life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission life will show you how you are personally support the publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activists. The ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to the pro-life discover many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to life question free copy of mission life today online ACLJ/about it is that the ACLJ and that is this whole idea that the IRS can engage in the kind of censorship.

That's what it is that they did in 2014 2015 2013 against conservative tea party organizations and then even go to court.

Even after we went in court, even if we get a consent decree filed a report with the IRS and the never do this again are changing the policies and procedures. Even if we get a monetary judgment for our clients is rights were denied. After all that Joe binds one call for six months later the IRS targets as were persons engaged and they had this legend on the letter denying the exemption where they had what each things equal, they actually put in there I met Harry Atkinson on this actually put in there Harry and this is so incredible they actually put in their basic teachings on the Bible and this, in their view constitutes a violation of law violation. While here, and frankly, the IRS writing that letter in the first place violates church space establishment clause issues you are absolutely correct. Basically what the IRS has done is that if they have violated the Constitution. They have violated statutory law, and they have violated the consent decree that they have signed. Essentially, what we have in this particular case is the return of Lois Lerner with a vengeance and basically the IRS has revealed that it believes it is morally superior its legal analysis is superior to that of the United States Supreme Court and its imperative that the ACLJ and its listeners become engaged and fight back against the IRS because what is happened to Christian engaged and possibly other organizations will happen again if we don't fight back. So in our present first liberty.

Logan handled it the exultation getting up with the Texans as very good job of doing that. She never had a happen of course in his eyes.

I've said that that was totally outrageous. But here's the issue, the IRS has to respond to our minimum information act request.

Logan on Monday. You know what I'm expecting.

I'm expecting no response.

No response or if the very rare occasion. We get a response the legally theirs. They have to do it. It will be a jumbled mass or we found nothing. I which is typically what you seem to get you.

You will come back with were or the last for more time, which is that the typical Mobile make, but let's go to Westlaw Smith on this is not only retired early 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ourtaxexemptstatusthatisabsolutelycrazyandinyouthinkaboutitisaviolationoftheConstitutionwhichisnotanotherwayofsayingit'sun-American.HarryontouchaboutthatbecauseitseemslikewedidthelastsetoftheseIRScases.ItwaswordsliketeapartyandpatriotsandSeptember11orSeptember12projectthatgoeswiththebuzzwordsandnowthisculturehasshifted.Thebuzzwordsarenowreallyrelatedtopeople'sfaithintheirChristianfaithandhowtheywillnowassociatethatwithpoliticseventhoughforalotofChristiansthat'samassmajorityofthosetwothingsthough.Yourfaithhonestlyinspiresyourpoliticalbeliefslikelydidnotdosooneinthesecond.Ithinkyou'repreciselycorrect,butIalsothinkthisattackonChristiansisconsistentwithwhatindividualswhonowworkfortheIRShavebeentaughtinschoolrightsoessentiallytheyhavebeentaughthostilitytotraditionalfaith.Theydon'tmindnewandperhapsbizarreface,butifit'satraditionalfaith.Theyareopposedtoitbecausethatmaymeanthatyousupporttraditionalvaluesthatyouarepoliticallyconservativethatyoubelieveinthenuclearfamilyorwhateverandmanyoftheseindividualshavebeentaughtthatthosethingsarebasicallyopposedtomoralprogress,inherentlywrong,inherentlywrong,andsoIthinkattheendoftheday.Thatisaproblemandobviouslywecan'tsortoutallofthemistakesmadeintheeducationoftheseindividualsbutwhatweneedtodoistoensurethatthereareindeedconsequencesandonewayofensuringthatthereareconsequencesistogotocourtandtoforcetheIRStocomplywiththeConstitutiontocomplywithstatutorylawtocomplywithaconsentagreement.Essentially,theIRShasengagedinun-AmericanactivitiesintherenowandkeepaccusingChristiangroupsofbeingun-American.It'saworldthathasbeenturnedupsidedownandgetarubberstamp.It'sokay.Finallythisforthisorganizationbecauseitmakesanoisegetsapproved.Dadyouhavetogototherootfigureoutwho'smakethesecallswhenyouarenowhatlevelofstafferismakingthecallismakingthiseventwhosaidanythingismakingthedecisionandthesepeopletheyknowtotalkaboutwellyouknowIworkfortheIRSasyouwerejustalludingtomyfirstjoboutoflawschoolfouryearsago.MorethanthatnowwithwiththeDepartmentofthetreasuryofficeofchiefcounselInternalRevenueService.TheIRSelectronicandthesearenormallymadebyanagentwouldyoulookatthatleveltobereviewedbythescaldedgroupmanagerbutwhenyoulookattheletterthatwassenttoChristiansengaged.Icannotbelievewheretofindout.IcannotbelieveLogan.Thiswasdecidedbyatax-exemptfieldagenttowritesomethinglikethatbutyousaidsomethingveryveryimportantandthatisthisisgonefromtargetingconservativeliberty.Yourpatriotthosekindanames9/11todoubt,nowChristianorganization,buttheSwillinglyinthisletterwillinglywroteintheletterwiththeinformationaboutworldviewsupportingIsraeltheBible.ImeanIthinkaboutthisplanandIknowmydescendentsengageinimportantlythebackofit.IamsuretheDemocratswillnotallowhearingsonthisbutitisoutrageousthattheIRSprivatewhatwelikelyexpectingtheSenatesidewillthislistisanewboalist.ItreallyisJane.MyweightsignedessentiallybythesamepersonfillingLoisLerner'srulesoIthinkyourrolesoIthinkyou'recorrectthatisbeendecidedthehighestlevel.IthinktheSenateisgonnastayonthisdayIthinkyou'reactuallyinaseaofprobablysomeinformalandinformalminorityhearingsorroundtablesonitalreadybeeninvolvedinsomediscussionsonthat.Ithinkthere'smanymoredevelopmentsdownthelineonthatbitisoneofthethingsI'mconcernedaboutandIthinkboththeHouseandtheSenatearegonnahavetolookatJI'mactuallyconcernedthatthisisaneffortthatwasactuallyinitiatedinsideCongress.WetalkedaboutthisseveralweeksagowhenCongresswomanproceededtoleavewasactuallyaskingtheIRStolookatthetax-exemptstatusofpeoplewhosupportedIsraelinsupportofthosepolicieswhatyoulookatthisJImeanWeswentthroughsomeofthelist,butoneofthethingsspecificallymentionedandyousaidthisisIsraelrelationsooneofthethingsthatIwanttofindoutduringthisFOIAiswastheIRStakingtheircuesfromResedatoleaveandothersinCongresswhoaskedthemtomakeoursupportforIsrael.Astipulationfortacticandtheft.OfcoursetheyhavenogroundstoJbutmaybethat'swherethisoriginated.Butyouknowit'sinterestingyourloveandarerunningoutoftimeforthishalf-hour.Butwhat'sinterestinghereis.ThisshowstheACLJonallofitsfronts,governmentaffairspolicylitigationandofcoursegettingtheinformationoutallthatinthisplantationEncapsulatesalltheverydifferentdimensionsoftheAmericanCenterforLawandthat'swhywecreatedthemorethanevercampaignwillbenewthisyearwouldholdandlookingalotofpeoplepredicted,Isadlypredictedalotofthesethingshappening,whethertargetingimpressions.Whetherit'sthechaosintheMiddleEast.ThechaosinAfghanistan.Thesearenotshockinginmywifesaidyoulike.Ifeellikeyouguyshavethisconversationwithustwoyearsago.Thisisverylikely.Howthingscould'vegoneit'svisiblysixmonthsago.Verylikely.HowthiscouldhavegonesonoshocktousattheACLwebeenfightingdespiteover30years.WecandothatwithoutsupportoftheACLJmemberscommemorativeillegalneedjobstogogetlegalhelpfromorganizationACLJnetorgannocosttoyouthatGodmeansweneedpeoplelikeyousupporttheworkoftheseisafinanciallyduringthismatchingto$10wouldbecomesplayedoutgreatmembers.YoudothatACLJ.orgwouldbackasecondJaySekulowbackattheAmericanCenterforLawandjusticewereengagedincriticalissuesathomeandabroadforlimitedtimeyoucanparticipatein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memorecausalityiftheyhadalsowhoisitWashingtonDCthenthepeoplefeeldefeatedwhentheygetletterslikethisfromtheIRSbutthereasonyou'rethereinWashingtonrecently.Thereisafullheadquartersthere.RedCrossSt.,inwriting,onCapitolHill,youcanbethereinandbetheretospeakupforpeoplewhoneedstateIthinkofasacouplethingsonthatfront.Logan,firstofallwhenwefoughtbacktheorganizationswantingthisorganizationgottheirtaxexemptstatusothersthatwerepresentedduringthelasttargetingeventuallywantandgotthisconsentdecree,butlookthatjustsetsthestageforuscontinuingtohavetobattleandI'lltellyouthere.Thereisalegislativebattlecomingaswell.Yourdadmentionedhowthisalsorunscountertostatutorylawthatwaspassedthatprohibitsthiskindoftargeting.That'sdefinitelytrueLoganthatoneofthereasonsthatIfearedtheIRSmightbetryingtodragthisoutandsortofruntheclockonitisbecausethereisaneffortunderwayintheUnitedStatesCongressrightnowtospecificallyrepealthatstatutetotomakethispermittedunderthelaw.Again,it'spartofHRoneandS1.It'stheforthepeopleactedtobigvotingrightsbill,butthereisaprovisioninthatbillLoganthatwouldsaythattheybeonthelookoutlistareallowedtogetitwouldrepealthatLoisLerneralsoifwecan'tactquicklyifwecan'tgettheanswers.Andifwecan'trightthewrongsthataretobeinhappening.It'squitepossibletheUnitedStatesSenatemighttrytoallowthisstatutorilyagain.SeeyougottafightthisandI'lltrackyougottagobacktocourt.YougottatellthestoriesoftheairwaysandLogangottotellthetruthaboutwhat'shappeninginthehouseandSenaterightnowthatisaparticularlyproblematicprovisioninHRoneandS1isactuallypeoplewhoaresteppingupintheSenate,whichisnicetohearthepeoplewhoaresupportiveandaremakingsurethereissomebalanceisthatitfeelslike.AsofnowMinetteothercertainlysomechecksandbalances,butit'sgettingoutofhand.Stephaniehadahandandlookatthisisoneofthereasonsweresogratefulforthisletter.13membersoftheUnitedStatesSenate.TheIRSwillhavetorespondto.ThentheywillhavetorespondtoourFOIAandiftheydon'twillgotocourtnextweekotherthanhavetorespondtotheUnitedStatesSenatetoletmeletmereadjustonesentencefromthisletter,Logan.Ithinkpeopleneedtohearthis.ThisistheletterledbySen.LangfordandSen.sass,signedby11othersenatorsandsaysanorganization'sparticularreligiouscharacteraffiliationorexerciseshouldhavenobearingontheIRS'sdeterminationofsuchorganizations.Qualificationfortax-exemptstatus.ItisnottheroleoftheIRSoranyothergovernmentagencytodenyanotherwiseavailablepublicbenefittoanorganizationonaccountofitsreligiousstatus.OfcourseLoganthatisabsolutelycorrect.AndyetifyoureadtheChristiansengagelettertheyspecificallysaythereasonyourtax-exemptstatusisbeendeniedinitiallyisbecauseofyourreligiousbeliefs.That'smaybeoneofthehardestthingstoactuallyreadthisbecauseyoucan'tbelievetheywouldputthisinwritingandmaybeHarrycould'veaddressedthispeoplewhodon'tknowwhatisthisprocesslooklikeNatalieridiculousnessofthatstatement.Theprocessofwhatwedonow.WefilewegoforFOIA.Theyhavefreedomofinformationactrequesttheyhavetorespondpartofthepartofthedeal.Justhowtheyrespondcanatmuchlikethepersonwiththedelayedresponsesometimesisinthewayyou'dlike.JustunderanaffirmativelegalobligationtorespondtoourFOIArequests,butoftenwhattheydoisengageinaprocessofdeflectionsotheyarguethattherearesomeexceptiontotheirdutytorespondexceptionprotectionssomethingandthenwegotocourtandthenacourthastostepinandorderthemtorespondevenwhentheyindeedrespond,atleastinitially,theyoftenrespondwithredactedinformation.Soit'sveryunclearastowhethertheyhaveindeedcompliedwithourrequestandthenyouhavetoagaingobacktocourtsoIthinkattheendofthedaywehadapreviewofthisundertheObamaadministrationandbasicallyduringtheObamaadministrationtheyunleashedanti-ChristianhatredandhostilitybymailundertheBidenadministration,thathostilityisstilltherebutit'sevenmoreoutintheopensoyouthinkaboutconsideringfuturelitigation.Whywouldyouputinaletterthatyouaredenyinganapplicationforaworkreligiousgroup.WhybecausetheyreadtheBible.TheyprayaretheydoingthisforIslamiccharitableorganizations.TheanswerIthinkisnow.Sowhatwehave,inmyviewisanti-religiousdiscrimination.ThisfavoringChristianorganizationsandwemustbeeternallyvigilant.TheIRSandtheirbureaucratsandothersofanyonecomplainaboutthatthatwearegoingaftertheIRSonceagain.Ithinkthatalotofpeopleprettyexcitedaboutthat.I'mnotexactlyeveryone'sfavoritebridgetherethatWesisacrazyasitsounds.Yeahifyouputitinlayman'slanguage.ThisgroupaskedforwhatamountstoareligiousexemptionandtheIRSis,wecan'tgiveyoureligiousexemptionbecauseyourreligionreallyjustoneofthereasonswhythecompanytaxexemptisifyourorganizationisbasedonthechurchbutheretheysailedrightarereligiouslycentered.However,asshesaidsowhatisthatmeanofferforWesternreligionsofLAsaidyou'renotthesortofobscurereligionthatnoone'severheardof.Nowifyou'reoneofthemajoroncesureyoucanprobablypickaparteachreligionhydrogensaythemajorityofvotersofthatarttosaythatthemajorityofit.Maybethemorepassionateevangelicalssureyouthinkmaybethat'samoreconservativegroup,andyoucouldsayyouknowforReformJudaismthat'smoreliberalofthegroupselectionstartstogetverystickyveryhairyveryquicklywhenyoustartsayingthisbecauseofyourspec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Let's take a look at the segment from targeting us as lender.

Why would you say tea party were very dangerous on the advice of my counsel, I respectfully exercise my Fifth Amendment right and declined to answer that question right in the long violating our rights. There were some boneheaded decisions alone out of the last election Nottingham mask assessment was the tip of the iceberg.

It was far worse than even we expect the IRS has finally released a list of political groups has scrutinized something didn't know what to believe our government doing weight and no accountability. Never before has the federal government trying to everyday Americans only their political theme that is as long as against Lois Lerner new was coming, and it wasn't fighting the Americans. We need to point B is the largest American history gets tax-exempt status in the US because it promotes something related to the social welfare something is happening in your local community or the area limits with the group of citizens. Ultimately, it's about an issue. Basically what issue could be a set of issues.

You come together to work on and agree upon its not specifically for politics. But certainly, of course, when you deal with issues that affect the community.

Ultimately there's some politics comes into play. But there are. It's uniquely lays out how you do this without becoming a political action committee without being keeping that tax. If status does the IRS say we want to status, we will submit voluntarily to your oversight IRS, we will abide by the will abide by that the reporting requirements necessary so that we get this status as a tax-exempt organization that was unbelievably disturbing. What the IRS had sent out these questionnaires. These groups groups that they knew were being led by private individuals without a lot of experience in politics. They were small they knew that from the other initial applications so they would they would do the initial 501(c)(3) or 501(c) four application they receive these the right time of his unbelievably disturbing questions. They got these follow-ups and we realize there was a pattern of these follow-ups asking very invasive information that was unconstitutional beware inquiring about the to the American people's speakers list the actual speeches themselves. Contents of prayers at meetings backdoor access to their website, not just what is your website but we want a password to get into the back door of your website and be able to see what's going on internally as well. So, not the normal questionnaire they arty fill that information out.

It was clearly coordinated targeted they were trying to silence avoid pulling people into giving up and walking away report is coming out this week, the Inspector General Ct. has outrageous conclusions about how organizations seeking tax-exempt status were handled chosen not only the tea party groups and get more scrutiny but so did a host of other conservative groups that dared to criticize government spending and discuss the national debt drive obtained a soon to be released investigative report that shows that the IRS started targeting tea party groups.

More than three years ago and among the criteria they used was to target groups that were critical of the way the country is being run different facts IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous. These criteria were inappropriate and that they did not focus on tax-exempt wars and treasury regulations they remain in effect for approximately 18 months for saying we're sorry we made mistakes and they were not politically motivated blindness, all on lower-level employees chapter the apology and demanded the resignation of everyone involved at the IRS nine groups provided by the IRS for further review. For one reason their application is tax-exempt status contain the words tea party patriot with the Internal Revenue Service had done with have created a being on the lookout really sent to its patrons in the exempt organization if you see an organization that has certain buzzwords, awards, and it that would suggest they are conservative in their political out or in their political message basically give them a hard time in getting tax-exempt status may come answer a lot of hard questions make them answer questions that other organizations on the political left don't have to answer and just make it tough on them to get tax-exempt so we can string it out was a serious systematic problem with in the IRS that allowed this issue to percolate all the way to the top and a tax-exempt organization had main treasury. There were concerns that reached into the White House and you know and the President present Obama dismiss this as inconsequential, but ultimately the way to handle this was court. You had to be in court to get this result is sometimes like the never better late than never apologizing to tea party groups over this Obama era targeting. They said items. Groups are things going on is not just that they're acknowledging the wrongdoing they take an action that will be codified in a court order next week and they've agreed that it's wrong to apply. US laws against any individual based upon their name the positions they hold provide their lawful positions which are is of course where the issues that we ask that we espouse for our associations or even perceived associations is the first point. The second point is that the government has agreed that their actions whatever they take in this process must be evenhanded and never based upon the applicant's name their political viewpoint or associations are perceived associations so the end result was the IRS did the right thing by resolving the case with an injunction that mandated a complete change of the iris, nonprofit, tax-exempt work as relates to the organization most significant wins in the ACLJ's history to take on the IRS and went in the future. Group therapy target the codefendant court bring our do this anymore. They could say there targeting me because of my take five years to take five minutes victory right I do it for today on secular appreciate I was again assignment for film targeting us. You can watch that will fill. By the way ACLJ films.com you can find it there was many of our other movies he put out over the years by that ACLJ films.com on a sales affably available as well. If you have a Roku or any of those Apple devices find that the ACLJ app thank you so much for listening today back tomorrow with another edition of secular the meantime, visit ACLJ.org donate like describe share all of it helps all support to get the word out?

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