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February 22, 2021 12:00 pm
Announcement Center for Law and Justice live in Washington DC and one questions one: 1-800-684-3110 16841 to your host, secular said to us. If you are watching the broadcast of the substantive announcement by words such as this could be joyous by Skype. This could be happening in the studio. It's a brand brand-new team member at the Americas or philologists that we got great staff agreed to with a seal date but everybody does get their own broadcast but there are certain members of the team with a joy. They do get their own broadcast for the Americas or July. Justice were giving. Of course talk about a lot of issues with them, but that just to let people know what is this big announcement of this new member of the ACLJ team well I am really honored to report to RAC LJ listeners and members, and folks are listening on all of our social media platforms watching that we are happy to announce that the former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is now a senior counsel for global affairs at the American Center for Law and Justice on the same again. My Pompeo for Secretary of State, former director of the CIA will remember the eye states Congress is now serving as the senior counsel for global affairs for the American Center for Law and Justice. Now you can see him in a few moments on our broadcasts. We sing a lot of them over the years ahead and you be reading a lot that he produces on issues involving foreign policy. As you know we have offices globally.
Having the addition of recently Rick Grenell and now of course it was the director of national intelligence and basilar Germany now having the former Secretary of State as part of the ACLJ team and is been a friend of ours for a long time is it is a real honor.
This is a big moment for us historically and he's bringing to it the Intel like Rick Renaldo selected as is the director of the CIA so you got that intelligence side were really beefing up into the ACLJ a means to really increase our capacity there to bring you the best info on our broadcasts then also working as a member of the team. So you're good to see you. The broadcast side of it mostly, but this should be written, public work, but also behind-the-scenes work that you won't ever see that is conducted by assessing Tracy Pompeo by by Rick and by others who are as as they join the team. We I just want to say this to all of you. We are able to put this team together right away to be able to combat everything that's going to go on with the bite administration because of your tremendous support for the ACLJ.
Even after this new administration came in. Your support has not wavered and it's allowed us to be creative is allowed us to think about you if we could add some maturity right now that would be great for our supporters would love it and it would be so substantively great cuckoo we had to edit Rick be here already here. He left the ministration he was available and his insight was great that the election process and now it yes and a week and continues to be in their weekly thought, okay, let's take next steps who is now finishing out and will and so Mike Pompeo was right the top of the list very literally and and we reached out to someone who we you had on our broadcasts.
He was a member of Congress and and again.
Now he will be in the studio with us so so if you're watching this broadcast. You don't want to miss that this day that you be joyous by phone not by Skype this time that the future might be more like that.
Obviously, we will always all be the same place, but I also would let our radio listeners know because it is the predominant about her blisters are on terrestrial radio and Sirius XM.
This is a show you probably go check on Facebook as you get to see Sec. stay Pompeo with a subset of tell you we have worked with Sec. Pompeo when he was a freshman congressman directly or later to broadcast an interview we did with him back in 2011 or 2012 and now I will tell you this is it. Such an honor to see his career. This tremendous influence he's had both of as the director of the Central intelligence agency and that is the Secretary of State and Abbott now is in ACLJ senior counsel for global affairs.
II just can't think of anything better to move our issues forward substantively to make a big difference.
Why me this is so much everything. Bitter director to repairs would when my Pompeo was elected to Congress that this is total and immediately engaged ACLJ a Harvard Law grad you.
This is someone who was a West Point versus class at West Point at Harvard Law, editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public policy, and this was all as coming into member of Congress now as a former CIA director and former Secretary of State and a member of the ACLJ team will be right back challenges facing Americans are substantial time and are now free of certain constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stand with the American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ on the frontlines checking your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do our work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms. In the event and remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side. You are already a member not well this is the perfect time to stand with us, ACLJ.org, where you can learn more about her life changing become a member today ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life. We created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission will show you how you are personally patient includes a look at all major ACLJ cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activists ramifications. 40 years later Planned Parenthood motion industry and what Obama care means to as many ways your membership in the ACLJ is powering the right question for you mission life today online ACLJ/Sankyo as we told you the first segment of the broadcast for a very special announcement, we announced that is a set former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
He is joining us in studio today on secular always with us and with the team is great to have Sec. Pompeo. He is going to serve as the ACLJ's senior counsel for global affairs Sec. Pompeo. Thank you for joining us today is great to be with you scratch with each day and it's great to be part of the team is about. Well, it wasn't were thrilled to have you and I want to start to get right into this resigning is important for audience obviously with your most recent Experian surveys of the CI director also of course and I remember as a congressman, but the Secretary of State I want to get into kind of a globally height of his leadership and policy now we know that ships can be real.
We know that there's and be implications. How do you see them looking at a world map right now. What you see.
The biggest challenge that kids or grandkids go chase undoubtedly comes from the Chinese Communist Party.
It is a atheist Marxist-Leninist communist organization. We know right. We know how these work right know what it means for people of faith we know what it means to ordinary people who just want to live their lives and then we now know what it is. Their intentions are.
The threat that it poses to the United States of America and we can never forget the challenges for counterterrorism is not 20 years on from 9/11 but make no mistake about it. The Middle East is still a place where you have an Iranian regime, a theocratic kleptocratic regime and leaders and that they to view the athletes as the great Satan, having given up on the fact that they well may be able to roll this administration want to go back to the situation in China for a moment and and talk about that because it's not just in a would look at what were doing the legal issue. Sometimes I'll call on the international stage, especially as they were engaged in welfare you got these regimes utilizing the legal's international, usually international tribunals to get their way and it's it's a form of warfare, but it's without bullets.
It's in the legal process Chinese the threat to me is looking at it is got both an economic threat and then the political threat and then there's kind of a big cloak. The global aspect of that is their desire they been always very clear about this is they want control.
Yeah that what we should never forget. So the economic base of this as an enormous national security application because it turns on the most capable high-end technologies that the world knows whether it's artificial intelligence of machine learning and we made this enormous mistake we've allowed them to come steal it from us and we've invited them into our universities by the mentor researching stations with we provided US taxpayer money to underwrite this research and we've allowed them to be in place as we should have never let them be and it is they've used it to their advantage and to your point about the legal system they pretended to comply with these little things around the world. The claim that their nation wants to be part of a normal civilized world. While all the while benefiting from an unequal set of rules and the good thing about demonstrations, we can let that happen every place we confronted them every place we gather them. We demanded that they be fair and reciprocal, and they behave in a way normal nations getting staying on China's good Yami said this is obviously everybody is focused on China mean still with coven we see that the lead by demonstration rush to join the World Health Organization.
We had the one American on the panel said we should just blindly accept their finding that the American tubs even under the by demonstration who joined the WHO is said what what they put out. April is still the statement from the US government, even from from truck to up to Biden and that is that they are still assessing figuring out whether or not this was something that was not it that Wuhan Institute, which by the way, we all learned received US funding is is still the bite mistresses not cancel that funding that they art they could be getting in and you can make a case for why AB the past. Now the future. It's tough to make the case, but I mean those threats to people still wonder how much how much because they destroyed all the evidence they make themselves look guilty, and even whether they are not right, you destroy all the evidence and then let the inspectors go it is pretty tough to us to come out in our intelligence community will not go by what the WHO said this very things we know for sure about this virus with respect to China first. That's where began is in fact that Wuhan virus is indisputable. In spite of enormous propaganda with the Chinese are trying to foisted on America sang this came from frozen foods or from America's laboratories. This is nonsense and propaganda.
Second thing we know immediately the Chinese commerce party you an awful lot and refused to share that information with work that you're responsible is a global player says if you got a problem, you make sure you keep everyone safe, they didn't close down travel inside of China but allowed people to travel to Milan and all across the world spreading this virus and they knew better. They knew that human to human transmission was taking place. Finally, we know they operated a slap and we know that there engaged in research on these kinds of viruses, and we know that they've had trouble securing viruses in their lives before 2003 we know they leak with respect to SARS though they are not world-class when it comes to securing viruses in their laboratories. Now there's a handful more piece of evidence to wish that the Chinese commerce party was capable of sharing this information will but you will know this right just just like with Chernobyl.
Just like with communist regimes all on the closedown. They disappear people who have the information that could help the world solve this serious problem in one of things I said about the Chinese in oblation to the virus was whether it was intentional or not the actions they took afterwards failed as you said to live up to international obligations and yet they almost get away with it with impunity meet not under not when when you will there, but now just seems like it's go along, get along another still policies out there but going back just to the kind of the bravado that China uses in their language, both in the language that they're using and in the challenges for the for our audience around the country. How would you do on a scale of 1 to 10. Would you tending the highest threat. Where are the SCI guide put it in a nine or 10 is some that were an end. Importantly, something will have to confront for Lonnie Sabia sustained effort.
We need to educate people give another example that that everyone I think this listening can understand you'll see a Chinese official showing up at school board meetings all across America. You'll see them at PTA meetings that do not come in there because they're good citizens of the community. The coming there because they are attempting to educate you about what they want to do and how they want to undermine American democracy.
This a serious threat. Everyone needs to be aware of it. We need to be mindful that they are serious about undermining our way of life as a nephew still lives with something into these Confucius institutes that were hearing about their all over the United States. They're trying to say all of this is just part of an education program and and people see it.
Like you said it's it's in a lot of public schools across the country where every art doesn't matter if you're the costarred in middle America.
And so there in your cigar schools were economically reliant on them and when something bad happens. We don't know if they intentionally did it unintentionally did it but they won't really get us the truth. To me that's a pretty tough diplomatic situation. This is the conundrum you add. Now that they conduct more missile test than the rest the world combined their enormous nuclear power have a military that is expanding throughout the East China South China Sea and wants to be able to control all the main waterways the world you have a full throttle challenge to the way of life that we have here in the United States.
You know the President present from got a lot of flak for America first lot of flack and of course I think it was a fantastic policy, but the Chinese have no hesitation in communist regime of St. China first Hogan is not absolutely everything and and they have that that the pre-audacious don't talk about China.
First, those that we want this just to be win-win. This is the language it's win-win.
I see the deal America For 50 years. That was when when you're dealing in in your dealing with them because II and I know that they got it's it's very stop slavery, centralized in the control factor was there a sense the date because under when you were Secretary of State present frump was in office and you have a whole apparatus of government following our policies. I felt like the Chinese others putting the virus side were pretty much been checkmated and that there was a serious check on the Chinese and they knew what you over top for the content. Putting our interest first and what was the sense globally with our other partners with the Chinese. In other words, the other countries you had to deal with that our allies they see it that they did as they did in large part because we put in front of them yet. So I spent a lot of my time.
I'll never forget my first trip.
Second Thursday where I traveled to Europe and was talking about the threat at this time from a particular technology from Huawei you want to believe it because it's art they were making money off of this assembly United States was they now have come to see it.
What they need to know is that the Americans will be with them and that will have the back will support them, whether that's the strength of Japanese Indians and South Koreans. They know the challenge is before them that they need a strong America America that understands America first prepared to be the partner.
Do you think that the current administration, and I know it's very early using any sense of where the policies and the discredited 90s. It's been a bit of a hodgepodge in terms of their statements, but in the end, Jay is not about the statements about the actions you have to be prepared to take serious actions to confront China in a serious way that will be costs associated with that the Chinese will respond, but you have to be ready to walk that far and get right in a weeding get a chance to talk about the threat to religious minorities are Christians sure by another semiconscious Christians. But that is also a real threat.
It is my neck so I stay in office. I made a declaration which is unusual. I declared that there was genocide taking place that was intentional. It was accurate. It was factually based and it tells you the horrors that are taking place to religious matters in that part of the country doesn't begin to address the ones that are happening all across we come back to Sec. Pompeo. I continues to join us into if you just joining us on listening. If you're watching however you are taking this broadcast.
Let me encourage you share with your friends and family, but also let you know this will be that the last time Sec. Pompeo to exist, but he is now joined ACLJ as a senior counsel for global affairs. You'll see him as a couple times a week at least. Maybe more so it would when necessary. Honor broadcast of the divorce to be all the work to be doing behind the scenes with the ACLJ team both domestically and internationally as I like to point out to his tenure as CIA director will be right back on secular only one. A society can agree most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free hour for publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition will show you how you are personally publication includes all major ACLJ Jesus fighting for the rights of pro-life activists ramifications. 40 years later Planned Parenthood motion industry and what Obama care means to as many ways your membership in the ACLJ is powering the right question for mission life today online ACLJ/challenges facing Americans are substantial time and are now reading certain constitutional rights are under attack is more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ on the frontlines injecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress to get in the public arena exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do our work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms. In the event and remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side. You are already a member not well this is the perfect time to stand with us, ACLJ.org, where you can learn more about her life changing, member today seeing LJ make sure you understand how we have a big announcement that mixer for Law and Justice is really been building out our art, foreign affairs, national security team at the ACLJ and today we can announce if you didn't catch earlier the broadcasted a former Secretary of State CIA director Mike Pompeo is join the ACLJ senior counsel for global affairs. He is joining us in the studio today here with us, and we been talking about China.
We been talking about bra broadly kind of that the threats facing the United States. The new administration and now getting into the Middle East. Let's let's I like neglected her attention to the Middle East and think you know I was laying in the months I have a lot more on China in the days ahead.
Let let's talk about the situation in the Middle East, specifically where you get to the Abraham records but I think we have to start with the big threat and that's been the threat that has been existing for a long time since 1979 and that is the threat from the Islamic Republic of Iran. I have written a book on it. You were the Secretary of State dealing with it. We talked about the Chinese being a threat.
Iran's and there proxies may have many in the Middle East have cause havoc continue to try to cause havoc what your sense of that threat, which I remember when I was in, member conscious what we spend most of our time when I can. When you show talking about the rest of presented to religious freedom and frankly just the risk he presents to the United States. The good news is that we diminished rents capabilities during our four years put an enormous economic oppression of my remember to check.
I remember missing if it's just America either can't the kids can have any effect. While it was mostly just America on this issue and we had an enormous impact on the regime. We convinced Gulf states Israelis that if we got this right, we could diminish the threat of terror threat from a nuclear weapon.
We didn't need to be part of this crazy deal that was going to create a pathway for Iranian nuclear weapon.
We were well on our way to do and that looks like this Mistress is going to change course and underwrite this theocratic regime again. Last time I sent out the cash they went out anyway yeah one point I'm doing that that they allow the rating regime to step up its game across the world is bad for America. It's terrible for Israel is bad for the Gulf states as well. I hope this ministration will understand this isn't 2015 and this is serious business. For security people and people in Kansas like my home state people all across our country and all our listeners are still there now concern once again and they were concerned about this.
Under the terms ministration when you are Secretary of State CIA director at all, but that is Iran back now on a path or will the Biden administration put them back on a pass. It seems like again the rushing they want.
That's face-to-face again.
They want to sip tea was there if they want to have that conversation. Are we putting them back on that track and we being the United States government under the bind ministration to buy almost legally obtaining nuclear technology site have the bomb yet.
The last four years demonstrates anything, is that the rain is respect.
One thing strength and if there's a second thing is that if you appease them if you had the money and wealth, they're going to continue to build out their capabilities as us, it's the wrong direction. It's the direction that frankly Europe and wanted to go as well. We we were there standing athwart this thing. No, not can permit this to happen and we had a real impact we diminished the capacity and has water threat is will we Diminished What Was Taking Pl. in Iraq from the sheer maliciously and put all the bad. We made an awful lot of progress. I want talk about the proxy aspect of what the Iranians do because we talk about that the threat in the region in the Middle East.
We and we talk about what Iran is up to the use proxies even proxies that don't necessarily share their particular brand of Islam. They will label crossover so to speak to Sumi. She divide because of their common interest in harming Israel, Hezbollah, Hamas, the proxy aspect of Iran and the depth of that people use our first in both the CIA and it Secretary of State nor did I sign up close and we made a decision early on in the ministration we were we made the communication to the range the said we are not can allow you to get away with using proxies when we mean by that. If a Iraqi sheer militiamen underwritten by the irradiance attacks, an American soldier in Iraq come into Iran to impose costs on you and that is hard to do. We make clear that's what this week.
You saw that you saw what looks to have been an Iranian sponsored attack that injured an American killed in a contractor inside of a rock and this administration says we want to go sit at the table and talk to them.
They will interpret that as a free pass to hurt Americans. This is all three back to this administration as you join early with that with the truck ministration SCA director at your tested immediately by your adversaries and this is what the bind ministration facing right now China, Iran, even at this to Isis 2.0 in North Africa. They all want to see like a really good to go kill. Come kill us. You really gonna cut us off you really gonna these alliances you made of these Abraham records of those could go three of the canceled 35 sees countries so that they kind of say well when I could be in these deals anymore get it figured out for herself. This is all the tested are being thrown at the bind ministration and I just get very nervous when I see that what we sorta meet face-to-face and John cares back in the mix, and it's that same team.
It's like Job. I just took in the BT from Obama years and put them at the eighth a level that makes you very nervous because these guys.
It wrote that that that JCP I remember sitting there studios going through and it was like Italy's one pages with these bullet points. That's what that was a great tip is that no one would agree that when it comes nuclear weapons. Remember, it was myself a Senokot who found the secret side deals that they'd entered into seems like a long time ago, but the elements of the deal that that you tell the American people about maybe there secret side deals already. I don't know but weak.
We know the mindset and that mindset is one of appeasement and can't we all just get along in the Iranians will never let go of their ambitions to conduct terror and to be the Middle Eastern power Israelis know that the Saudis know that the Iraqis know that the Americas need to support those folks making sure that we do the right things to protect and secure our free meal was interesting because I am delivering this conversation I had with Benjamin Netanyahu.
The premise of Israel, not that long ago and the chips and he says it publicly don't remember this, the Iranians viewed the Israelis as a little sane and big Satan is the you is United States.
I remember during the Iranian revolution on the streets this the students are involved in that the revolutionaries actually chanting to kill Pres. Carter with a word. I mean, that was there that was there. That was their chant so for audience it's listening right now they know we been concerned about Iran. That threat is not a magic done you will do a tremendous job, but that could turn around very quickly. Yes, the rain intentions haven't changed in the end, it's about intention, capacity, and the intention hasn't changed one bit.
Are they are they because they were diminished. How long does that diminishing hold that orders up and I much money is thrown at yeah it's it's all about how quickly businesses return and prop up their economy and how much cash do we generate them because we feel like we of them something. This would this would be a tragic change in American foreign policy. I want to get into the Abraham records you will do that, we come back from break because that was a monumental moment in American history. This this idea to that the if we move in Embassy to Jerusalem that was in a because the world to explode but yet these people. I mean that's what makes Turner's foreign policy, Weiser, Tampa.
A minute letters.
It is Job. I was criticized not by my Obama officials when it came to foreign policy. They brought in. People like John Kerry who have been wrong. Never admit that they were wrong.
Never will at least say I was wrong of this would but he keeps bringing them back in and now you got a guys to this. The one guy who didn't want to go after bin Laden. It would make the tough call. And that makes Peter. It just makes me nervous. I know they sent our audience nervous and that's why they want to be informed by people like you. Your new truck.
You have been tested. We were tested to.
Don't forget this yet their chemical weapon for you.
Sincerely, said if you do it again.
We will come after you made a redline. We did it cost us a lot. He was threating Americans. We took them out with such a difference. We have to be ready now for ABC it's it's everywhere we go.
You have to see that the influence of Iran back in the news right right away again, we come back we have a second half hour was Sec. Pompeo who is now join the ACLJ is a senior counsel for global affairs and what you know this. That's the for us, boarded only time you see them on our broadcast that he will be joining us weekly or biweekly throughout the week at get into all these issues that we know can we face our country was great to have him as we are building out this team and join us for our second half hour, nonsecular ACLJ on the front lines of protecting your freedom is sending your writings in court in Congress and in the public arena several injustices on your side you're already a member thinking. If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us, ACLJ.org, where you can learn more about our life-changing work become a member today ACLJ live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow line and now secular Jew is so sweet. I will make sure that is there. Those you the general you're driving your car, you may just took turns back on. Maybe you missed the first part of the series a haze at my Pompeo I hear that on the secular radio take it is. But more importantly it sees not just on is a guess, but he is joining the ACLJ as part of the team's former Secretary of State, former CIA director Dan Congressman my Pompeo hedged is joining the ACLJ's senior counsel for global affairs and he'll be on the broadcast regularly, providing his insight into what is going on around the world, how it affects us domestically so we again as you know we been building out this tea we added record out with that and now my Pompeo to the ACLJ team you're going to see a course to our broadcast of the dead is important to our broadcast. This will be the public side of of what they bring to the table for organization. Then there's the work that they will be able to assist with fur around the world that we know are to be facing of the bind many ideas can and will this be a lot of issues and one of things were talking the phone when the right. I mentioned that we had issues of the persecuted church when when you were Secretary of State and present troubles in office. We had tremendous success in getting releases and we also had a friendly audience that unfortunately has not been the case in the past. Other forget this one of our client site Abilene who was in jail in Iran. Remember this one got out under the Obama ministration only because of the $1.9 billion, first thing he asked me when he got free Native American already enacting aborted first thing he asked me but he got out is why in the world did United States pay $1.9 billion. Why did you just say he's an American. When will and that's the I think the irony of all of this but you were the new regime now. We got a deal with with those factors but some days been with us before that's free to go back a little history of his time in Congress as well. He immediately was so it was a regular on Jay Sekulow live on the radio broadcast. This is probably back was 20 2012, 2012, 2012, when it was Congress and Pompeo on Jay Sekulow like listening you look at the economic situation right now and despite the fact that Pres. Obama continues to say what a bad mess he inherited. The reality is four years into it. Their plan has not were coming up just be blunt the plan has not worked. How do you think this play in your house is playing in Kansas and basically what is the censure getting from your constituents about the economic situation we find yourself in the upper like the rest of your application that that one letter came in office. There were some real challenges, but that doesn't allow you to make it worse.
That doesn't allow you to put a set of policies in place but continued expenditure going on here more than you take it that have led to a percent unemployment put out 40+ months consecutively played that because I just wanted to let for those that are new are broadcast or have been listening to us in a long time. I suggest Pompeo is is and is not a new voice in one sense, because when he was in Congress, he was often on our program. We work very closely. Now the course and became the director of the CIA and then ultimately the secretary say so used. It's great and that as we start this app by welcome you here were thrilled to hear Maggie Monday was one of those WAV all been most gracious to me for my entire time in public service, and it's important work that's done here, and I'm glad to be a small part of it. Now we appreciate that we come back from the break working to get into a follow-up meeting percent are we talked about the Iran and Israel.
I want to get into the Abraham report that was a big, big moment, the Golan Heights. Another big moment and the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem. All those very very significant issues will get install of OCL and encourage people to shout you if you're watching this online if you're on Facebook if you're new to I know were talking dollar thousand plus radio stations and Sirius XM as well live but if you're watching this, I encourage you to say it's unique that of the Secretary of State. A Pompeo is in the studio with us today. I squeezed it would be Joyce and future. Sometimes you both joined by Skype and other different ways. This a great show to share with your friends and family to click that share but right now is always good ACLJ.org will be new pieces off by a former secretary of state. Pompeo as well. Now that he is with the ACLJ as senior counsel for global affairs. So click that share but bring your family, let him know about this.
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A society can agree the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life. We created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition will show you how you are personally and includes all major ACLJ the rights of pro-life activists ramifications. 40 years later, motion industry, would Obama care means to as many ways your membership is powering the right question for you mission today online/are very new member of our team consists of special guests not especially get out again member the team as the former secretary of state Mike Pompeo now ACLJ senior counsel for global affairs that we been talking about a lot of issues throughout the sprockets. If you missed it is broadcast you to go back in and watch you through Facebook through YouTube the rumble through all the different ways periscope on twitter and share with your friends and family as well because we've covered so much in this first interview where suggesting Pompeo is with us in studio also which is unique as well, but that it would be right internally get into the international criminal Court in the Hague future portals will talk about the success of the Abraham accords by going into the ICC issue because no one knows the ICC more than a Secretary of State and nobody is experience the ICC more than a lawyer that's actually appear before the ICC draft so I was there. Mr. secretary in December 2019 for the first impeachment right before the first basement area was weeks before the first impeachment trial. I went over because the ICC acculturate general hearing on whether they could bring an action against the United States out of Afghanistan and the United States office.
He was not going to appear because the United States is recognizing jurisdiction like Israel, and the like Russia, like China line number of doctors I went because our European Center for Law and Justice in Strasburg has standing with all these international bodies, and we were able to get our legal position and that was it became a media thing because it was a presence. Lauren, I was showing up at this and I and on the whole Regalia menu where the rope with the little kerchief from handkerchief and whatever it was fine and they were very polite. The decision was awful polite. I'll say that with that court is now got Israel and the United States in its crosshairs, and even very critical of the court which I am too because it is there is nothing about it that is either international or court that don't know, that's absolutely right, but allow your listeners may just not be familiar with this it's worth knowing that this is something it's this little body that sits in the Hague and has tried for years and years and years to go after American soldiers soldiers were fighting in Afghanistan or Elgin's office.
They were just doing their job on behalf of America Israelis who were simply doing the things that Israel does to defend itself. We never acknowledge that they have any authority over people and they still won't leave our people alone and so arbitration took the series that we began for the first time to sanction the fish of this was that this was this was treated as just gauche by the rest of the world by the European thing. How do you sanction someone from this international criminal court to point if the court it's it's it's a bunch countries came together to try and solve a legitimate concern. But no country that doesn't submit to its jurisdiction should have its people and risk a soldier who can't travel the world with his family and so we started sanction people to woman who's running that the element of the ICC tube inserted was coming after us in a way and so we just said no enough and was sanction to acknowledge that she was corrupt that the whole institution had become politicized and corrupt work and let them take on Americans.
We had a delighted dual experience. I represented our interest for your present loan just as the first around 2014 with the event prosecutor different prosecutor and he actually did not bring actions against the Israelis. The second one was a lost cause. I mean, it was the writing was on the wall before it started. The irony of all this is the court system. There would not pass municipal court rules in the United States and as the secretary said they go after not the state. They go after the individuals including by the way, one of our have lawyers in Israel who also was a colonel in the Israeli Defense force intent, intelligent, and this is the way the afferent doesn't surprise you that this was designed to handle nations that didn't take care of bad acts that their people had done a customer but we know Israel has a complementary system United States complements at the far one of our soldiers there something wrong. We have the CMJ we have our court system organ address bad acts by people who act inconsistent with the international law wasn't what it was designed to do and you now have young Americans, the officers and soldiers and Israeli officers across the world who are being threatened by them. That's unacceptable yet it put this care to go you take if you will do the will I find your trip to Spacek South Africa which is like which is like, and so allows Israelis who are absent but do you know if you want to go there. They love to throw somebody from it to the ICCs jurisdiction and into the hay, but we'll also it it they think they became this court of instead of doing special courts prefer problems with if there were two failed states of conflict which what they used to do and that was much more effective.
I think they try to make an appropriate court and then they had to get away from well looks like were only going after Africans and warlords because they had the legal systems.
A no no complications. And so we gotta go after American and we had to go after Disraeli got a go after Westerners and that is their goal that is going after Westerners in the only West is really highly engaged, you interestingly they wanted. After the UK trip significant and enter the union of the troops in Iraq. It was all about. If we can get American then the world will will will give us legitimacy. I think it was more.
That's why they were doing it insert version of legitimacy. I think that's almost certainly right.
We know this.
We know that international law has a fundamental principle. You should only be subject to being prosecuted by court. If your nation has decided to be part of that city join the Rome statute on the rounds that we chose clearly not to buy when multiple Democratic ministries in them. Republican Michelle both said we were could be part of this and yet they persist. But there is talk of his chatter that the by administration may promote that now. I don't think that at the end your your secretary state now is can it be too keen on that. But I don't know. I can't imagine that the risk is too great to young Americans and because I can imagine it does place after the individual soldier naturally left absolutely. I knock I can't believe that they would do that I'd be very surprise has been a consistent bipartisan view that the ICC ought not to be applied against Americans. II hope that we stay in that good place. We talked about China.
Obviously everybody understands a thread.
We talked about that Israel, the ICC we talked about the bid is to extend a rod is or is her place in the world work were kinda missing is American so that I would like North Africa where sea ice is kind of these new stories are popping about this new either use the word ISA center if they have any forward directed and ended in a failed states because it had revolutions like Sudan and others where they need to get their governments up and running that the pro-American now, but who knows if they will be if they can stay in power and so where else should we be looking as thick as our audience is very informing of the care more than just what's on the news for two minutes.
Well, should they be looking you much of Africa is a good one. We did a lot of good work there in places like Sudan got them to recognize Israel as well, but I think that I'd suggest to. Closer to home. We did a lot of work in Venezuela trying to help the Venezuelan people avoid the catastrophic effects of material in a socialist regime did work with our good friends Dan Purcell for moving in the right direction to build out the market alongside the United States.
There's a lot of work close to home.
And certainly we talk about Mexico present focused a great deal on securing our borders, but that relationship with Mexico is an important one.
There on our southern border. We can't permit the cartels that are there to continue to allow drugs to come across our southern border and I worked hard with the foreign policy apparatus inside of Mexico did everything we could to secure the southern border not only against people coming here illegally, but all the bad stuff. The conflict rest in the terrace might move across the borders.
Well, I will briefly go back to the Middle East because we it's it's got a new mission under present from under your leadership.
Jerusalem is recognized by the United States and no other first is the capital of Israel. It was Israelis recognize that since they've added certainly go on hikes declaration and then the Abraham courts. Let's explain really quickly be Abraham courts how that came into being was that is a phenomenology. The Abram records are historic and those countries are going back. This is the good news for all your listeners. This can't be undone because this is a people driven effort that recognizes that it can't be Arab foreign policy to hate Israel just doesn't work and so these nations took the big step. Those leaders took very courageous actions to say we want to bad diplomatic relationship with Israel want to do business. We want to come to know these people. We have different face with their Jewish state we are Arab Islam nations. But we want to be there friends and partners and is a great historic thing. It was enabled by the fact that we took of you with respect to Iran that they were not to be a Ron's friend were going to put costs on them and then acknowledgment that they were under threat is when we would help defend this country's when they were challenged historic moment and I think long-term.
A start for our country and and generations to come.
When he gets a lot of the and is now current administration, but this idea that he carries the world that they did this to the State Department have direction thought is that if we don't solve the Palestinian issue. First, we can never make any any movements with his goal states that that out that that argument crumpled was bipartisan consensus, absent a deal between Israel and the Palestinians that you could move please forward present trump in our teams that nonsense and we began to work and work and work to build that out to lead to the Abram courts more countries will join which also manual and, ultimately, I think a piece of the Palestinians muscle you have no choice absolute and then that their administrations are the minnows in this race we talked about before, very corrupt and we want you here now and then but they are much weaker now and again. Big big impact start to hear for a sale just yet. I what I wanted steel let people know to the reason why were able to keep going up the team with these kind of leaders unit started with Ricker now. And now with former Secretary of State Pompeo who were just leaving and I now coming to you with this information because your support for ACLJ that you know that that week we cooked it with some a lot more this broadcast and to build out this team. It shows you trusted us with your resources, encouraging young continue supports ACLJ that Orrick, this is why were able to make these moves were making and and kind of bring this to you so it's not on a one-time basis is an interview but is members of our team at the Americans or philologist is an ongoing so it is great having you with 500 for the rear J. Jordan, thank you Brad me on the desk and be grateful for having you in the future.
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It still very much that debriefing portion of his face to and we remember we had a record L he was just at the role the still that debriefing states, but to have the bug. Think about what we've got through today.
The insight we got that you don't just get on cable news that we all do a lot interview so the secretary stay Pompeo.
He does a lot of those interviews to but there for three and four. Five minutes you don't have a full hour to talk about when you get into another full hour on China when you get into flour. Iran think about what he will be providing to you as a listener and then on top of that, think about what he's could be providing for the ACLJ that you won't see here that we can't just talk about all the air but but for you, the listener just for you alone. I think worsted because it's good to give you insight in a longer format. She can actually get down to the issues you care about that with the mainstream media is trying to tell you to care about that day. But what the issues are important. We talked about this rising new Islamic terror, even north after we barely just touched the surface of that today, but also got deeply into China deeply into Iran deeply into these UN agencies data be this and Israel.
Of course, and we were just this was just that that day, what introduction but what you're saying. Of course on the broadcast. You get to see the and you get to share his insights with Jordan was just alluding to some, but I want to spend a couple minutes talking by about his substantive work of the American Center for Law and Justice.
Our offices literally around the globe. So as you know, we engaged at the UN at the highest levels and it's not easy.
It's a hostile work environment, so to speak. It's is usually hostile, but we've had great success. Also but can you imagine now if you're in our position as the lawyers that run this or not. In our team meeting any combo Harry Hutchison Wes Smith Skip Ashman we see on this broadcast news broadcast with their writing there dropping their negotiating all the time doing legal work, we can imagine now what to happen for us that when we got an issue that were dealing with for Israel at say and there's an issue with another country that we can go to our senior counsel for global affairs who happens to be the former Secretary of State for the United States of America that that is substantively for us now as well want to share from moments obsolete for us. That's very important that the first member of the cabinet that we had on the team. John Ashcroft probably back in the 2005 and then was former Atty. Gen. under God George W Bush, when, and was of course the Atty. Gen. during 9/11 and then Rick Cornell, former acting director of national intelligence invested in Germany and now course the secretary state but also understand substantively gives us a lot of depth, it does give Sodexo it's more than just what you hear on the air is what we are dealing with opposing abide administration policy.
It won't just be the ACLJ statement on a Jay Sekulow Jordan secular similar our experts, which has done tremendous work in the past, but now we can add add the names of of of the second former Secretary of State.
The last verse hold that position to the by demonstration before acting director of national intelligence and investor to Germany, a former Atty. Gen. with these issues arise that are important. I think you would with that. This specific appointment.
I think we we have increased our ability to talk about national security but also Intel Intel which this is a newer world for us because we lived it under Muller right what what Intel and how it can be misused boy and so there's that there there is a dip swing national security and intelligence. Intelligence goes with Daschle security, but it's a big portion of it and with adding now.
I Pompeo who was the CIA director before he was Secretary of State he was he was leaving the CIA ended and with Rick Cornell, together with its added a whole new area of practice really for the ACLJ that we were living it as the present private attorneys through Muller and the intelligent first case that we file this year yes about Intel right so it's Warren Alexander and the trying to influence if you listen to the broadcast today.
You know it is I don't like using words like Cold War again and I don't unite the commandment but the idea that it's it that that the former secretary state said that there then nine or 10 threat level to the US that China poses is a different kind of threat then maybe military but it could be either a threat like hey we had a pandemic for over a year that's brought our economy almost to its knees a couple times and certainly a lot of people as we ended that we can get these relief bills through and it still that it's universal try to get vaccines out was to try to get back to what is normal. We go there responsible in some way for whether intentionally or unintentionally, and then you have the economic fighting the diplomatic fighting. So I think you know it shifts to our thinking is not always about the Islamic states are certainly the post problems as well socially Iran but but but it's also it's broadening out your ability to understand these larger three-dimensional issues where we economically rely on China.
A lot of everybody does visit which I never really think, looking what you bought the store and see where was made right, but also the way that they want to be the world superpower, then what the US plus whatever happened I was talking about and I am correct to hear Chris Rick Grenell served both as an ambassador and as a member the cabinet, but my Pompeo was both Sec. Tate and Dir. of the CIA's wheel to cabinet positions in the in the breed in the present concentration so Todd_Jorgensen on the subunits you're getting benefit from the knowledge that he can share with us and that's can be significant and were excited about that as we tremendous regular part of our panels at the ACLJ and R broadcast secular broadcast. However, there's another aspect of this and that is the substantive work that is done every day, day in and day out by the ACLJ and to have as a resource. Rick Grenell would seem to be true. John Ashcroft my Pompeo and others, but especially though my Pompeo and Ann McNulty have their knowledge on intelligence, which like Jordan said we became experts in intelligence because we handled the Muller investigation is not many lawyers that have been through a special counsel investigation on international intelligence gathering and come out the other side of it and we did. We were able to be back by Muller but to have the information now and the expertise of my Pompeo and Rick and others it just tremendous their Rolodex is that there context, the ability to reach out if we need someone to reach out all around the world into unknown actors and actors were more you know, shadowy behind-the-scenes in the intelligence world. We don't have that resource at the ACLJ now let me tell you, folks.
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