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Kelvin Cochran (Standing for Jesus in a Hostile Culture)

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October 13, 2021 4:00 am

Former Atlanta Fire Chief Kelvin Cochran was fired for his Christian views on sexuality. How did the battle strengthen his resolve to stand for Jesus publicly? He'll join me to talk about it and his book, "Facing the Fire." Plus: It's Texas vs. the airlines on the vaccine mandate showdown. And the Southern Baptist Convention continues to spiral downward - I'll explain why on Wednesday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.

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And now he's telling his story and encouraging the rest of the body of Christ to prepare for similar forms of persecution that may someday require us to choose between our jobs and our faith in Jesus Christ. Dr. Cochran is now senior fellow and vice president at alliance defending freedom and author of the book will be talking about facing the fire. The fate that brought America's Fire Chief through the flames of persecution so good to have you with us. Dr. Cochran how are you doing Philip Janet for the show. It's wonderful to have you here. I have followed your story since day one and it's great that you have written this book and I think it's interesting you have had such an impressive firefighting career and it strikes me how ironic it is that something like putting a biblical view of human sexuality in a book written on your own time ended up getting fired putting you through this whole legal battle. How do you reflect back on that experience.

At this juncture, will you know that I want to go American. Who had a childhood dream to become a firefighter you know I will report believing about it was in 1955 when I was five years old that one Sunday after church we lived in a back alley work roles of shotgun houses were and I miss Mattie the lady that lived across the street from our house caught fire and when this report. Firefighters came that day we filled the front porch and I looked at those guys that day was so much excited so much excitement told my mom and my brothers and sisters. I want to be a fireman when I go out and in America even in those days when Blacks could not even be firefighters. Nobody ever told me that that all your dreams are going to come true if you believe in and have faith in God.

If you get a good education and if you treat other people like you want to be treated and respect grown-ups that I could dreams are going to come true and that is so true in our country. I was raised on faith and patriotism so fast forward to 2015.

For all of those dreams come true and that the chemical of my childhood dream come true. Fairytale career, only to be terminated for writing a book for Christian men's Bible study was quite shocking and devastating, especially in the beloved United States of America.

You're so right about that little bit about the book for listeners who don't recall all the circumstances. I followed this again at the time but you made one reference didn't you to homosexuality. That was the only reference that you had in the whole book right with Christian man really whole premise of the book was how man should overcome condemnation two-minute Christian man struggle with guilt and shame from our carnal nature even after we have confessed Christ so that the premise of the book, but also focused on several issues that Christian man still struggle with today and one of his sexual thoughts. Simply use the Bible to talk about phrases like God made them male and female, a man should be of his father and mother and cleave to his wife. The two shall become one flesh, and that God made it made male and female, for procreation, and that it meant to do it in a way that honors God.

It has to be done in marriage well and openly gay Atlanta city councilmember found out what I had written about biblical marriage and sexuality. He complained to the Ben Hon. Mayor Kasim Reed, who in his recent reelection shifted his position and began to support that platform and because he supported that flat platform. He initially suspended me for 30 day now Janet the 30 day was to determine if I had ever discriminated against anyone based upon my biblical view investigation proved that there was no form of discrimination that even though they interview people from the LGBT Kim McCue community in the city and on the department they all raised about my fairness and honesty and how I treated but they determined that now that I believe that they didn't feel dollars fit to lead anymore and so at the end of my 30 day suspension was terminated well there so many directions to go on what happened to you, but you would think is normal American citizen looking from the outside, and that if you write a book in your spare time and your Christian and you wrote it for Christian men's group that it's really none of the business of your workplace to intervene and try to punish you over something that they would, I guess. Consider some kind of thought crime but is actually mainstream Orthodox biblical Christianity. How did you react when you were first suspended and were told that that was what was going to happen to you.

I mean it so outrageous yet it is you know you don't get it. House people who have a new variant say that their life flash before that yes well I had the same experience when I was terminated God allow my life flash before my blessed behind that was God was showing me that through the abject poverty that I experience as a kid and raised single mom had left been raised on welfare and food stamps. God promised you that he showed me how he was with me during those early years of my career in Shreveport when I was on the first African-American firefighters in dealing with unthinkable discrimination and how God brought me through that. He showed me how when I was in my parable 20 Janet Hall.

It when I was not the man that God had called me to be a good husband and father and almost destroyed my family.

God showed me. She brought me through that and so there were different stages in life that God had shown me. He brought me through that he had prepared me for that moment all the fires that I had face prior to that moment and I had this explainable piece and confidence that God was with me in that fire just like he was with Shadrach me shack and Abednego in the fiery furnace. He was with me as well. Yeah, the peace that passes all understanding. We understand that as Christians that's incredible. You know, I go back to some of the details of what the mayor did hear you were condemned for your beliefs fired by the city of Atlanta even give you. Due process that was required under city rules did they know they did not produce with.

They just called me into human resources meeting in pointed out specific areas of the book that they had a problem with and that there was because I had a problem with that. It was a problem for the mayor and then they explained to me the process that I was actually going to go through but thanks be to God, and even before that that is not that I had I had this I don't know that college nave or just faith to faith, but I just believe that after the investigation they were going to put me back to work and so before my 30 days was overheard from online who offered their services. I said hi, thanks but no thanks, they're going to put me back to work and they convinced me that hey you need to have a plan just in case you Let's look at this and go down this path. So I said okay, and after went back on January 6 was fired contacted alliance defending freedom and thanks be to God that they had been. They were with me through that four year legal journey that ended in vindication. Janet and God was gone through a lot. Defending freedom about victory. But the victory is not just for me. It sets a precedent that any government employee that experienced thanks St. will have to not have to go through what I went through that we have in America. The freedom to to express our religion and to speak is even that's right were talking with Dr. Kevin Cochran will come back talking about his book facing the fire, listening to Janet.

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Former Atlanta Fire Chief Kelvin Cochran we've been discussing his story from several years back when he lost his job as this really award-winning fire chief in the city of Atlanta. He had won awards for his work. He had been the first black Fire Chief in his native Shreveport, Louisiana, and then he was left without a job and is crime was talking about biblical sexuality in a book that he wrote himself and it was such an unjust thing is kind of funny. Dr. Cochran when you were talking toward the end of the last segment you were mentioning that in the and what you went through with your legal battle you received substantial settlement from the city of Atlanta. But you were to use another fire metaphor up a trailblazer. Have you seen much fruit from that experience that that you ended up prevailing with that settlement. What is been the result of winning that settlement and the reverberating effects, as it were, on other Christians. What where opportunity to share my story with other believers better than them in their walk of faith. Since that time when I was terminated. I was immediately employed by the Elizabeth Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia, where God used all my years of experience in public administration to begin to serve in church administration and served in that capacity for years until I was appointed to Senior fellow and VP for life defending freedom and part of that responsibility. Janet is to build and develop a national deployment plan so that anytime a believer is attacked for living out their faith. There will be a coordinated response led by Alanis defending freedom from the body of Christ to respond on behalf of that believer.

Every single time so that in the works now that is wonderful what you think is people like Jack Phillips and Baron L.

Stutzman and some of these other Christians who have found themselves in the crosshairs of the LGBT ideology you look upon the threats that that particular ideology poses to our religious freedom and and all of the other Christians who gone through similar situations to yours will have the momentum now with counsel culture. They have agreed to find the American definition of tolerance that we have so minutes except storage in our history that we fed many challenges aware despite our diversity of religions and mid 50s and even opinions what we have contemplated we somehow managed to get to a point where we focus on the things we have in common and final place of common ground in unity counsel culture has changed all of that counsel.

Culture says that if you disagree with me that you hate me, and every word that comes out of your mouth, and this agreement is now called hate each and because tolerance is an and once we define you as a hater. Your speech is hate speech will destroy your livelihood and in some cases there will destroy even your family. So the desire, the design of counsel culture is to eliminate your opportunity for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in our country and they seem to be bailing, but because many believers do not have the courage and grace to stand against counsel, culture, and half the year of losses and consequences. Both of these phyla are passive and so I believe what is what God is calling us to in this season, Janet, is that we've got a trust his track record of faithfulness in the Bible and in the lives of other believers and and believe that the same God that he wants for Daniel Shadrach me shoot check.

Abednego, Daniel Joseph Esther that he's the same God today and that if we had the courage and grace. The stand he will stand with the so that the world may see like Nebuchadnezzar said no one should worship any other God but the God of Shadrach me shack in Abednego God wants to show himself strong on our behalf, but he won't do it if we don't have the courage and grace. They mentioned that that's very true when you're talking about cancel culture Christians I think are beginning to build this more acutely you have censorship by big taxi they get kicked off Facebook for talking about marriage being between a man and a woman, or put in timeout where you get videos taken down. This is happened in my life or we've had videos taken down of Christian conferences that are not politically correct for big tech. These sorts of things are happening more and more how do you think that the church ought to be responding individually. Obviously we have some efforts out there efforts like you just describe what you're going to be phenomenal but individually what should Christians be doing to prepare for a time in which they might face a similar situation to yours. What we do every day influence on how prepared we are and spending time with God every day.

There are people that are listening to your show who know they're in an environment work environment.

The environment where it's just a matter of time.

It's not a matter if it's a matter of when she began to strengthen themselves and encourage themselves in the Lord by spending time before God. Every single day. The other thing beyond the personal commitment of just just spending time with God every day is to be active in your local church.

One of the blessings I experienced when I was terminated was because I was active in my local church pastor and congregation publicly stood with me and rallied out the local churches and congregations around me so I would encourage believers to become active in your local church so that you know that you have that support base around you and the third thing that I would say is not clear the consequences and no that there are Christian law firms like alliance defending freedom that was planned with you legally to support you with legal guidance and legal counsel and a look in a court.

The last thing I'll just reemphasize and about 4 to 6 months. Whenever a believer has an encounter where they are persecuted for their stand, they will certainly not stand alone ADF is going to lead a charge from believers from the local, state and federal level to maybe respond on their behalf with prayer, pastoral care, benevolent support legal guidance and counsel. Community engagement so that they'll know that they are not by themselves. That's fantastic. Did you ever just out of curiosity, did you ever have anybody from the city of Atlanta organically contact you and say you were wrong, were sorry this never should have happened. Did anybody show regrets from Atlanta after everything you guys went through.

No ma'am sadly no one ever, that's awful.

Somebody should have somebody in your departments or you know the city offices somewheres should have one. I want to show capacity ahead many friends and colleagues to privately and silently say what you just said they didn't do so publicly because they were afraid that if they spoke out on my behalf publicly. What happened to me with happened to them. It's terrible in the United States of America means you key I keep going back to that like you did. How does this happen in the United States of America, but we are increasingly a society that is moving away from the Lord, and I guess this is where you end up when that happens right and you know I think that is just a matter of fate issue.

There are worldly consequences for spending on biblical truth and stand for Christ. But there are also kingdom consequences for starting on biblical truth and stand up for Christ in the kingdom.

Consequences are always, always greater then the worldly consequences, the Bible proves that over and over again.

You and one of the things that the readers receive in my story face the fire is living proof of it. You know, Janet, Jesus say whatever you lose standing for me.

I will restore it 100 fold in this life with persecution and I can tell you and I can help. Hope I can see it without keep my composure but my experiences living proof that Jesus Christ was not exaggerating. He was not using hyperbole a lost friends but the friends again hundred times greater than the friends I've lost. I lost my job as a Fire Chief but being a senior fellow and VP of the alliance.

Defending freedom is 100 times greater than even be in the Fire Chief a lot in common. I didn't get. I wasn't invested in it in the retirement settlement and that income from who told you that you were naked. The income that I've gained since been fired is 100 times greater than the income that I bought Jeep God wants all of his sons and daughters to experience that in real time. Janet.

But if we don't have the courage and grace to stand will never see with that right so it would seem that your reflection back on what happened was God. They may have meant it for evil but God meant it for good. Is that a fair summary yes you now that you hit the nail yeah well anyway, I'll tell you your story and how it all unfolded and then how it ended, is a great encouragement. I would say to Christians like me and I'm sure many many listeners who have followed your story through the last several years will not only be encouraged to hear what you said, but also to read your book and I just want to highly command the book to you. It's called facing the fire. The faith that brought America's Fire Chief through the flames of persecution written by Dr. Kelvin Cochran now with alliance defending freedom. Our friends are wonderful over there and God bless you Dr. Cochran keep on going strong for the Lord and thank you for being here.

Thank you so much for your encouragement Janet and I really appreciate you all. Thank you. You're listening to Janet Baffert today. This archived broadcast of Janet map are today is brought to you by Hartford, Lebanon, God is using hard for Lebanon to bring practical assistance and the gospel to the stricken refugee families in Lebanon for a gift of $116 you can give a child in his family survival essentials for four months and the hope of Jesus Christ which lasts forever. Call now 888-247-5499 888-247-5499 there's a banner to click.

Janet met here's your host Joe.

Interesting isn't it that the Southwest Airlines CEO is out there doing the media rounds in light of all of these canceled flights due to weather didn't affect other airlines, but apparently there was some gigantic thunderstorm that just hovered over Southwest airplanes and there is no truth whatsoever to some of the leaks coming from Southwest pilots and other employees that they are standing up against Mr. County and mandates that they have to be vaccinated for Cove 19 or lose their jobs. There are couple things that are really problematic.

First of which is this interview from Greg Kelly claiming that the VAX mandate had nothing to do with mass flight cancellation so let's set this up. The question basically is these flights that you guys have canceled over at Southwest Airlines were due to people standing up against the mandate. Here's what he said come on zero and we look at all of our employee behaviors in terms of absenteeism in terms of people volunteering to come and pick up what's referred to as open time delivery are all very normal.

The president of our pilots union is without talking to the media are confirming all that so I think people are gathered to understand how airlines were when you get behind it just takes several days to catch up. Okay, do you believe that I don't believe that I don't believe that maybe he's trying to parse his words in some way and you're not supposed to take anything that he saddened and failed to see exactly the way he said it so you work misunderstanding.

These things work.

The PR spin that goes on what you get out there and say yeah are all standing up against the vaccine mandate and were against what they're doing or were for what they do not say that he's definitely not to say that now listen to what he said that following up on this. This is again Gary Kelly saying he is actually against the vaccine mandates. This is cut to never favor of corporations imposing that kind of a mandate.

I'm not in favor about never have the Executive Order from Pres. Biden mandates at all ways and all federal contractors which covers all major airlines have to have a mandate vaccine in place by December 8 so will working through.

First of all, I have a couple of things to say in that regard, he may be against mandates, but there is a story here via Bloomberg than American and Southwest are planning to abide by the Biden vaccine order and defy Texas because Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order prohibiting vaccine mandates by any entity and it's very interesting to see the statement that he put out on social media saying that he exists me issue this executive order stating no entity in Texas can compel receipt of a Cove 19 vaccination by any individual, including an employer consumer who objects to such vaccination for any reason of personal conscience based on religious belief or for medical reasons, including prior recovery from COBIT 19 this is great. And Abbott said the Cove. 19. Vaccine is safe, effective in our best defense against the virus, but should remain voluntary and never force that's a common sense position and yet American and Southwest say they're going to defy Texas. They're going to follow president Joe Biden's mandate. What's the problem with that. Hey wait a minute.

The Federalist had a piece on this. Just a few days ago Joe Biden's vaccine mandate doesn't exist you know that it's just a press release. It's just a press release and this Joy Pullman article over the Federalist points out, this is why nearly 2 dozen Republican attorneys general, who publicly voiced their opposition to this mandate, having filed suit against it yet because there is no mandate to Holland to court and she says that may be part of the plan, according to several sources. So far it appears no such mandate has been sent to the White House's office of information and regulatory affairs yet for approval. The White House and OSHA and the Department of Labor haven't released any official guidance for the alleged mandate.

There's no Executive Order there's nothing that press statements and press statements. As you probably can surmise have zero legal authority very interesting to impose the public perception of a mandate, though the Biden administration is following an unusual rulemaking process that it also employed earlier this year. It's called an emergency temporary standard or ETS companies are telling reporters there. Vaccine mandates will have at the latest December deadlines.

That's what you just heard Greg Kelly say.

But lawyers for those who can't calendar. It's four months after the nonexistent mandate was proclaimed. According to OSHA and ETS takes up to six months to go into effect after the initial mandate is issued in the Federal Register hasn't happened yet. There's no mandate that it has to be done in December. Lawyers for big business were blunt about their love for this mandate, Mirage Minneapolis employment lawyer Kate Bischoff told Bloomberg lawn September. Everybody loves this cover.

Many were already looking down the road it doing this but the fact that they get to blame. Biden is like manna from heaven using the ETS procedure instead of normal federal rulemaking processes both allows the Biden administration to push its demands faster and without any public input or requirement of responding to public input, which is normally required of even legally laughable federal rulemaking like this one would be and that's part of why ETS rules have been overwhelmingly overturned in courts so Greg Kelly is can I have a hard time saying on the one hand I don't want vaccine mandates him against what can I do. It's a mandate. No, it's not a mandate there's no need to go forward with this is there is no mandate. It doesn't exist. There's no law either.

It doesn't exist and number two look who he's defining a piece against a vaccine mandate for his employees, then why is Southwest saying it's gonna stand up against Gov. Abbott's executive order freeing these companies from the obligation of having to force their employees to get Cove 19 vaccinations. That's where they're going to take their stand will rise up against Gov. Abbott, but they won't rise up against Joe Biden everything you are probably surmising from this is likely true American greatness also has a piece that is very important. Talking about this issue during an interview with ABC News on Tuesday. Gary Kelly stated no employees would be fired over the company's vaccine mandate except for the fact the airline announced on October 4 that all 56,000 US Southwest employees needed to get vaccinated against Cove 19 by November 24 or face termination.

That's kind of a big gap between claim and reality is that nobody's going to be fired. Nobody's can be fired. Greg Kelly said there was no evidence that any type of demonstration against the mandate had contributed to the service disruptions as you heard, he said. He said that the mandate is very controversial, but not something he wanted for his company, but then you scroll down and you look at what the company put out this is guidance. I'll read it to you. This is from Southwest sent to the employees on October 4. It says employees who don't upload proof of vaccination in work perks or submit a request for accommodation by noon Central on November 24 will be scheduled for a fact-finding meeting or other applicable meeting with their leader. Failure to comply with the Cove. 19.

Vaccine policy will result in termination of employment. So how are you guys able to have a fully staffed company all during the course of the pandemic. When there was no vaccine on the market.

You're not allowed to ask questions and if you do, ask intelligent questions, you're not going to get an intelligent answer because this is not about being intelligent, and it's not about exhibiting any common sense and it certainly isn't something with true human rights and freedoms in mind when you have a vaccine that has not even gone through the third clinical trial as in the case of the mRNA vaccine put out by Pfizer. Now you got scientist from Pfizer on the record by a project Veritas saying if you had Cove 19 you have better protection than you would with a vaccine and then Pfizer says nothing more to the get essay but you have people admitting this. Off the record.

They didn't know they were received being secretly recorded by project Veritas but it doesn't add up. Does it it doesn't add up. If these people loved freedom.

They would stand up for their employees and say were not doing it were not doing it and there's nothing Biden could do anyway because there is no Executive Order. There is no mandate where they can do them. I mean III suppose there are ways that they could financially penalize them here and there but freedom folks Patrick Henry give me freedom give me liberty or give me death is the exact quote we do. We love our freedom anymore. And even if you are somebody who has received the vaccine and is grateful for the vaccine and God bless you for taking a position.

I think that's fine. You should be against vaccine mandates because it's un-American. The government does not have the right to tell you, you have to take a certain medical treatment and think how that could be exploited down the road with these knots running the show things we didn't even think were possible year ago, our reality today and I salute all the Southwest employees and it looks like more airline employees who may be following suit standing up these guys know what's going on.

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Over the course of the last couple weeks I have been any probably heard this in my voice. I've been struggling quite a bit.

I completely lost my voice. At one point and was really struggling to be able to get through some of the things I was saying. So now that my voice is coming back. Thank you Lord I'm gonna try to comment a little bit more on this issue of what's going on in the Southern Baptist convention and there's been a lot of stuff and I want to get too much into the weeds because I understand not everybody is part of the Southern Baptist convention, not everybody cares about the Southern Baptist convention, although I will say that if you are a Christian you Autocare because this is the largest evangelical denomination despite what Ed Lytton says but can't Go by what Litton says anyway he said it's not a denomination. Okay, in the United States, and so we need to be concerned about the direction of the SPCA because there are a lot of things that will come of this. So last we heard about the Southern Baptist convention. You had this whole executive committee flap over waving attorney-client privilege.

This is something the messengers had voted to do back at the last annual meeting because they want to probe more into the sexual abuse issue and have accountability and gets very complicated. While now the longtime General Counsel for the SBC has cut ties with them. How is this surprising note to anybody.

They were actually making the argument that you know one of the important things about the attorney-client privilege is that it allows you to talk about things and to discuss things and to probe things that if it were all out in the open. You couldn't talk about and that's actually part of justice and the justice system it's actually in intelligent concept that needs to be in place and they said if you're to waive attorney-client privilege around here world is to represent this denomination. It's, you know, I don't believe any of this. I really do stand with the people who have been saying over and over and over again.

This is not just about sexual abuse. I'm not saying they don't care about sexual abuse victims on the left and it's become very very cool to do it or some of these same people were out going after advocates like me behind the scenes when it wasn't cool to be all on board with the sexual abuse issue in the church, but we won't talk aside for the time being. But now we have something that I think warrants full attention. I don't have any faith, necessarily that it will be dealt with fairly by these woke types in the SBC because as I was saying. A moment ago, I really do believe what conservatives are thinking about the direction of the SBC and about what happened here.

This is just about grabbing power from the denomination and getting rid of the conservatives you had 10 people resigned from the executive committee already who are just saying I can't take this anymore. Who could blame him. Blame them all the insanity that is gone on at the SBC. Why would a normal person. It's kind like politics in general. I salute every single Christian conservative who is able to serve in public office, because it's not an easy place to be. But if we abandon those spots.

The vacuum will be filled and it will be filled by conservatives and it won't be filled by Christians. So you need to be there insofar as God has called you to be there. This is a bigger story.

This is what I really want to get to. I think I mentioned a few days ago about this letter that was released by an ER LC at-large trustee.

This actually was dated in September, but it was recently leaked in the Christian posted a pretty good story on this this letter is something else. Jonathan Whitehead, Hugh, who is a lawyer, wrote this and was informing the executive committee of the fact that Russell Moore, the former head of the ethics and religious liberty commission and the ER LC board chairman Dr. David Prince consciously concealed the claims in Dr. Moore's February 2020 letter from the ER LC trustees until it was leaked by an ER LC trustee to the media. In May, 20, 21, let me back up a bit in case you forgot what happened right before the annual meeting when the new president was going to be elected in the Southern Baptist convention. You had a letter and believe it was two letters leaked but the first one was a real nuclear bomb and it was Russell Moore basically lamenting the fact that horrible people were conspiring and it was all fallen and all of these charges against Mike Stone, who is running for president of the SBC. It was awful and he talked about the sexual abuse problem in all these terrible things that it happened, but apparently he never brought it up to the executive committee despite 20 questions to both men about the ear LC and the executive committee relationship at our fall 2020 annual trustee meeting, Whitehead says. Both men insisted that relations were positive and neither disclose the alarming facts in that February 2020 letter. His conclusion is that it was all political. It was all political Russell Moore were talking about how long we've been saying he's a political operative, that's his deal, he is a snake. He will say all kinds of things that will earn trust from Christians who are not very discerning or not cynical enough to understand the sin nature is way worse than we know he is the key.

How in the world can you on the one hand read that letter that he put out and say he was such a brave warrior that he sat on the letter for a year and 1/2 and then released it on the eve of the annual meeting by releasing it. He was able to get all the people out on his side revved up so they would do the bidding of the left within the SBC and that's exactly what happened you got Ed Lytton the plagiarist is the president of the convention and look what that has yielded. I know that I really did anything wrong.

I know I was caught on tape saying that I lied to my church about how much time I spend on sermon preparation. That guy is going around to seminaries.

Now he's doing his secondary tours. He was at Southwestern Baptist theological seminary. Recently, Adam Greenway, the president of that seminary brought him on board. People were hounding him rightly on twitter and saying in the world can you bring an unrepentant plagiarist in front your students. When your students would be expelled from your seminary for plagiarizing care and now this week it was Southeastern Baptist theological seminary Danny Aiken.

Oh, my friend, Ed Lytton all add is such a grand man of God. I'm I'm paraphrasing Ed Lytton is going to come and speak at our chapel service. The seminaries are gone. Folks, the seminaries are gone and I really can't think of a whole lot of seminaries that are left, they could even recommend for training a man to become a pastor that would really teach everything the pastor needs to know and not give you any of the woke garbage getting harder and harder. Kind of like working with Christian colleges and universities. But here is this letter talking about how Russell Moore pulled a fast one, withheld his concerns in this leak letter in order to shake the trust at the SBC annual meeting, you should read this story that was put up by Brandon Showalter.

It's really good. Whitehead was interviewed by the Christian Post and emphasize that Baptists can't sit by quietly when severe allegations, particularly those regarding sexual abuse, rank, bigotry and molestation are occurring in ministries. He said what we had is a February 2020 letter from Russell Moore to the executive committee of the ethics and religious liberty commission that should be about five folks and they should have received this letter. The letter makes claims about a behind-the-scenes group that is angry about or was trying to cover up child molestation and bigotry and more added in the letter he was hearing himself screen at night and that he couldn't live live with the screams any longer.

Whitehead said the question for me is what happened next, because as a trustee of the ear LC. I was asking some pretty detailed questions about how we were relating to the Southern Baptist convention executive committee and the letter describes some really horrific things going on behind-the-scenes and Southern Baptist life in the trustees of the ear LC were told about it now.

One of the things that he mentions in the letter is this Dr. David Prince the Aeros the board chair said he wrote it in the heat and the moments that wasn't a problem and they told the ear LC board every things fine.

Everything is good. How could those things both be true. Everything was fine. Everything was good. Oh, I think I'll trot out an old letter, somebody will leak it, even though everybody trustee wise. According to this story has denied leaking at have my own theories on who might have leaked it not going to say who that might be of theories song an essay. There is such corruption in this denomination. It's beyond belief. And if the Southern Baptists really understood what's at stake here. They would either leave the denominational together or they would rise up and throw these corrupt leaders out in the streets, not literally, but throw them out, they should be thrown out. They should be forced to resign and it ought to start with Ed Lytton, Russell Moore is off to his greener pastures over Christianity today. He's gone but Ed Lytton still there and the seminary presidents are still there when you gonna do about it and I really pray that the Lord will move in the hearts and the minds of average Southern Baptist because you are the only ones by the grace of God, who could make any kind of substantive difference in cleaning out and cleaning up the corruption. I also want to remind you that we are really excited to be partnering with hard for Lebanon to get needed survival essentials and the gospel to these families. There are thousands of them in Lebanon right now who needed survival essentials, but most of all they need Jesus Christ I'm telling you the heart for Lebanon ministry over there is just exploding. There so many families on a waiting list right now to get help and if you can give a gift today of $116 will help bring a child and his or her family survival essentials for the next four months will also hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. Get Christian education go to Bible studies in churches. It's just fantastic.

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