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Did Jesus Lay Aside His Divinity at the Incarnation?

Core Christianity / Adriel Sanchez and Bill Maier
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October 28, 2021 6:30 am

Did Jesus Lay Aside His Divinity at the Incarnation?

Core Christianity / Adriel Sanchez and Bill Maier

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October 28, 2021 6:30 am

Episode 824 | Adriel Sanchez and Bill Maier answer caller questions.

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Questions in this Episode

1. Should I listen to family and friends vent about other people in their life, or should I correct them when it broaches on gossiping?

2. What does in mean in Philippians 2 that Jesus “emptied himself,” when he became man did he stop being God?

3. Can Christians use curse words when they speak?

4. What are the different views of the millennium?

5. If Jesus is God, why did he pray to the Father?

6. Do people who “practice witchcraft” have real powers?

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Did Jesus lay aside his divinity. At the incarnation. That is one of the questions will be answering on today's addition of core Christianity will hi this is Bill Meyer along with pastor Gabriel Sanchez. This is the radio program where we answer your questions about the Bible and the Christian life every day. Our phone lines are open right now and will be taking your calls for the next 25 minutes so you got a question about the Bible doctrine theology how your Christian walk intersects with today's cultural issues.

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You can watch us right now on YouTube and messages that way through our YouTube channel and you can email us your question at questions at core, Bill, I just want to also have some great salsa recipes and so you go down that homelessness was that of exhaust everything that I hear other things that I can I can share with you that will really bless you in your walk with a will or edify you except your mouth will be on fire that's right that's right you like it spicy likes he likes is ghost peppers all right will let's go to a question we got from one of our listeners named Josh, my wife and I have been doing with family and friends. So whenever they dance and struggle to resort to a lot of cleaning and griping to play a lot of gossip and slander about the people that are dealing with and the place was becoming really big issue with us because we feel like there's a lot of atmosphere of gossip and really negative hurtful speech that is going on within the family in our circles and we believe that the Bible says and that's saying the tongue being a real source of death. If you're not careful controlling it sometimes, and we sought some advice on how to handle the situation were basically told to not ever call anybody out for that sort of thing that we should just let people vent just be a safe place. The loving thing to do is to let people feel heard to value family relationships over ever tell anybody that what they may be doing is a biblical some Advice on how to deal with people that you want a relationship with but it's often defined by hurtful and we think of as sinful ways of speaking to one another. Things brother God bless you Josh, the loving thing to do when we hear someone tearing down another person or gossiping about them is not just to sit back and listen and nod and smile your right to the way we use our speech can be deadly. And that's precisely what the Bible says I think you were alluding to that text in the book of James and James chapter 3 where James says verse eight.

No human being can tame the tongue is a restless evil, full of deadly poison with it we bless our Lord and father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God.

Now think of the great contradiction there. We use our tongue to bless God we gather together for worship on Sunday we sing praise songs we we pray to the Lord throughout the day. Blessing his name, but with that same tongue. We tear down the image of God in the people around us. James goes on to say in verse 10 from the same mouth come, blessing and cursing. My brothers these things ought not to be so does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and saltwater can a fig tree, my brothers bear all lives or a grapevine produce figs. Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water and so you have in Scripture. This very clear warning therein, and in many places related to how we use our speech yesterday.

We got a call about gossip and when we were looking at a passage in the Proverbs in Proverbs chapter 26 verse 24, lack of wood to the fire goes out, and where there is no whisper quarreling ceases as charcoal to hot embers and wood to fire so is a quarrelsome man for kindling strife. The words of a whisper like delicious morsels. They go down into the inner parts of the body and so you're right, Josh, were wanting to take this seriously and wanting to speak into this situation. In fact, the very next chapter in the book of Proverbs Proverbs chapter 27 verse six says faithful are the wounds of a friend refuse so the kisses of an enemy faithful are the wounds of a friend that is when you love someone when you're a true friend. You're willing to confront this sin that is destroying the other person because you love them, you don't just want to stand by idly and let them continue doing something that you know dishonors the Lord tears down other people and is bad for their soul and so what is that mean that doesn't mean that you need to, you know blow up at them. It just means that that graciously speaking the truth in love. Maybe that looks like pulling that individual aside and having a private conversations I have. I'm kind of concerned about this. It certainly means not participating in his owners are not taking the other person honor or pursuing that but but really I I want to encourage you to lovingly graciously speak the truth to to your family members, your friends when that when they're getting like this I've noticed lately with all the things going on in society that people just grumble a lot these days are just people you so frustrated with all day long. Looking at the news being triggered over and over and over again bite by something that's happening out there, something that someone else said some politician or some commentator and and we just have this sort of attitude of grumbling.

I think even that needs to be put in check. You know, and so as I want to encourage you to to do that to lovingly have conversations where you're to be able to encourage these people and and maybe bring up the fact that this is serious in the eyes of God.

Difficult to do, but so important right because when family members or friends are trying to triangle us and take sides and you know there griping about somebody else like you said we need to stop and go wait a minute. This is not what God wants us to do right now. Yeah, and it's easy for us to fall into these patterns, I've noticed you know you might be spending time with someone and they say something about someone it and you don't get it either. It's assertive registering in that moment, I will what's going on here in sometimes it's, it's, you know, couched in very pious languages as recited and you leave and you kinda feel like I don't know that that was the right conversation. I wish I would've spoken up in that moment, and you know you can go back in and say something, but especially when there's a pattern, and you just see this over and over again and yet we we wish to speak up your listing to core Christianity with pastor Israel Sanchez. Our phone lines are open. If you have a question about the Bible or the Christian life. Give us a call right now will be taking calls for another 15 minutes or so here is our phone number it's 833 the core that's 1-833-843-2670 3 x 1. Make a note of that number for future reference I can always leave us a voicemail 24 hours a day. You can also email us your question at questions at core, and we received this email question came in yesterday from one of our listeners named Ricky he says hi. My question is on Philippians 2, five through 11 specifically on verse seven where Jesus emptied himself, I've had conversations and watch people online who believe the meaning of this verse is that Jesus laid aside all of his divinity.

While on earth that Jesus was only a man when he accomplished his earthly ministry.

Many sound preachers of call this gnosis heresy. After much research about the hypostatic union of Christ in learning about the core doctrines of the faith.

This seems to be a big issue. I was wondering if you could help share some light shed some light on this subject.

Happy to, you know that the incarnation is one of my favorite doctrines in the Scripture John chapter 1 verse 14. The word became flesh and dwelt among us. It really is.

I'm just just so rich, so magnificent, but there's a lot of bad theology about the incarnation about who Christ is the meat. Let me ask you a question.

As you listening to me right now is is Jesus a divine person, or a human person what you think Clay really is a trick question to a it's that, historically, what Christians have confessed is he's he's the divine person, the eternal son of the father who assumed our humanity, so that in one divine person, you have two distinct natures divine and human. Jesus assumed our humanity, but he's the divine person that the second person of the holy Trinity, the eternal son of the father and he can't just lay that aside. Anyone who says that in the incarnation Jesus stopped being the divine person he laid aside his divinity. Will that would be heresy. That's a miss understanding of Philippians chapter 2, which says in verse six, though he was in the form of God did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on the cross. Now that emptying their the best way to explain that is with what follows, it helps to define what it means that he emptied himself, he emptied himself by taking on the form. If you will like being born in the likeness of men taking the form of a servant that is in his humiliation the incarnation you have in one sense that the humiliation of the eternal son of God coming for us and for sins experiencing weakness in his humanity, and that since he emptied himself, he failed his glory. If you will answer. That's the proper understanding of that that word being emptied there and it's important that we get it because if Jesus is not the eternal son of God, then his sacrifice for our sins isn't going to cut it is, is this is the eternal son of God, who in his humanity offered himself up for our sin so that we might forever be forgiven if we get this wrong.

We get the identity of Jesus wrong.

We are in trouble. Thank you for that question at a heresy is been around for 2000 years right is nothing new under the sun. Yeah, yeah, nothing new under the sun. One of Satan's favorite things to attack is the person of Jesus. This is what John says that the spirit of the antichrist was already doing confusing people about Jesus and he didn't come in the flesh, confusing people about what Jesus accomplished and so heresy so often unity it goes for the jugular. It's it's not just that you know beating around the bush. If you will core Christian document they want. Satan wants to destroy the proper understanding of Christ. And so that's what we have to cling to what the Bible says I meant you're listening to core Christianity with pastor Israel Sanchez, the anniversary of the Protestant Reformation is coming up and we have a special offer for you that ties in with that. Yeah, I'm excited about this offer bill today were excited to share our Bible study on the book of Romans.

This 10 week study is a great way to grow in your knowledge of the gospel. Some of the core teachings about justification that helped spark the Reformation over 500 years ago now, and Romans also had a huge impact on my life on my ministry as a pastor and so this is a wonderful in-depth study and it's available as a physical study or you can also download it as a PDF.

Others leaders guides available for all of our studies as well such as another added bonus, so head over to core to get your copy of our Bible study on the book of Romans is a fantastic study that will really help you grow in your faith and we can go online core, or call us for that resource or any one of our resources, 833-843-2673 let's go to Stacy in Kansas City, Missouri Stacy what your question for pastor. Israel will language more common for people and they are Christian to be used on your foul language and casually in their speech, and I don't know if it because I was brought out and not an it bothers me back to get that biblical perspective on Lena Stacy. We were just talking about the importance of using a speech in a godly manner. Earlier we were when we are referring to, to gossip in the sin of gossip. I think that this is an area where we need to exercise wisdom.

Colossians chapter 4 verse six says let your speech always be gracious.

Season with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.

Now Jesus said from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks at I think the way we use our our language really can be a witness to the outside world. And so when we talk in ways that are gracious or not just using the language that everybody else outside and in the world uses that that's I think one of the ways that we can be distinct as followers of Jesus Christ. And I've seen this happen before. I've I've seen with believers, many of myself, you know at times what will people come to me non-Christian to come to me and said one thing that we've noticed is different about you is is the way in which you use your speech that you don't you don't swear in the same way that you know all of us are governed. I remember that especially back when I was in high school and I was a newer believer because you know it's it's high school. I guess it's okay. I think that this is an issue of wisdom.

I think sometimes you know Christian Christians can say look, there are dirt, you don't be four letter words we never want to use and that's with what these passages are referring to when I think it's it's actually much deeper. It's God calls us to speak the truth in love to build one another up with our speech and so we can avoid all of that language and still be terrible with our speech and how we use our words and so it's bigger than just swear words, if you will, but we need to use wisdom as we speak, especially before before people who are Christians in and don't walk with the Lord because I think this is just, and once it's an easy win for us a way to be distinct from a distinct from the watching world and and maybe to to be able to be an encouragement as well. And so Stacy thank you for your question and God bless Greg question Stacy thanks this is core Christianity with pastor Israel Sanchez. Let's go to Daniel in Kansas City, Missouri Daniel what your question mission and current work.

My mind gone pre-millennial post-millennial on the premillennial side and trying to have useful phone conversation with him and we both Scripture that were using.

I really do want more people respected, so I'd like to know where you stand on the and why people think yeah I thank you for that question know you're right to do this is sort of related to the mission of the church and and what we think the church should be doing in the world today. It's also at a part of our eschatology. That is our understanding of the last things and so where I stand on this so you have premillennialism which is this idea that were looking forward to a future thousand year millennial reign of Jesus Christ on the earth, described in Revelation chapter 20 and so Jesus is not raining as king. In that sense right now that's the premillennial argument. Although he sees at the right hand of the father right is not raining in that capacity.

It's something that that were looking forward to and actually at one point that was my my view is what when I first became a believer.

The church is that I went to were premillennial churches and this is not an issue whether premillennial millennial which is where I am right now or post-millennial, that should cause us to look at others and say well you must not be a Christian and it's not one of those issues that strikes at the vitals of the Christian faith that is core Christianity, but it is important nonetheless. And so the post-millennialism really would see us as it, in one sense, ushering the kingdom of God here on earth through the advancement of the gospel through the Christianization of society more broadly until we get to a point where Jesus comes back and source of Christianizing this this world and the kingdoms of this world.

I happen to think what my position is when I read the prophets and the book of Revelation when I read Daniel for example, he talks about the kingdom of the Lord, replacing all the kingdoms of this earth. I don't think that we are Christianizing the political society of this world, turning it into the kingdom of Christ. Think of the kingdom of Christ is distinct and while we as followers of Jesus Christ are proclaiming the gospel in that gospel is having an impact on the people around us. The kingdom of God is not something that we build something that the Lord gives to us. It's a gift. The author, the Hebrew says in Hebrews chapter 12. Since we are receiving a kingdom. Let us worship God with reverence and all and so is the sum of the distinction were just scratching the surface there but it gets to our understanding of key texts in Scripture passages like Revelation chapter 20 where John talks about the millennial reign of Christ, and so on and so forth about what might my my point is, were were Christians, we can we cannot have charitable discussions with one another and maybe if you want more specifics, we can we can hear from you again thank you for for that question. I bless your listening to core Christianity with pastor Israel Sanchez. Let's go to Sam calling in from Oklahoma. Sam what your question for a drill. Jesus clearly pray the father and he only referred God as our right to sell or anything like that and also in Revelation right at the right hand though. Question hey Sam, thank you for that question and so I think part of this gets at a proper understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity. We don't believe that Jesus the son is the father.

Their distinct persons. When Jesus prays to the father. He's not praying to himself in that sense, although he is God and it's absolutely clear in Scripture both in the Old Testament send in the New Testament that Jesus is God. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon his shoulder and his name will be called as the prophet Isaiah by Isaiah, chapter 9.

His name will be called wonderful Counselor, mighty God image is just right there. John, who rightly are you referring the pastor referring to John chapter 14, I believe in verse 28, you heard me say to you, I'm going way and I will come to you if you love me you would've rejoice because I'm going to the father for the father is greater than I but John. This the same gospel is is the very gospel where we were told in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, that is, he was not the father but the Word was God.

John 11 and the word Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us, and so how we make sense of passages like verse 28 of John 14 where it says the father is greater than I. Well here's how we understand it, we were are you talking about Philippians chapter 2 were Jesus emptied himself, that is, in the history of salvation sometimes referred to as the economy of salvation. Jesus assumed our humanity took the form of a servant humbled himself coming as a servant, and in that sense in the economy of salvation. He can say the father is greater than I.

But when it comes to you that the essence the nature of the eternal son of the father. He's equal consubstantial is the theological term that was used historically of the same substance or of the same essence and that's why. Historically, Christians have confessed this because it's what we see throughout the pages of the Bible Jesus himself said in John chapter 5 that all should honor me, just as they honor the father will who could say that except God. When you get to the book of Revelation, which was also written by John the same guy who wrote the gospel of John. What do we see Jesus being worshiped by all creation in places like Revelation chapter 5 and so it's clear from the testimony of Scripture that Jesus is God, but that he is not the father and this is a part of how we get to the doctrine of the Trinity, rooted in the Scriptures that you Sam thanks & your question. This is core Christianity with pastor Israel Sanchez got one more question.

This is from Elizabeth in Illinois, Elizabeth, what would you like to ask you mature dad on. I lay anything lately to see it. There was a lot of people, anything at all with the tax code screen in the Bahamas who really believe that her mother-in-law witchcraft allow you know it didn't hurt that their daughter will let me just say to you sister one. I'm so sorry to hear about you baby, and that that bet grieves me but know this, Jesus said, not one sparrow. The ground apart from the father wound and that was God new God knows. And I think of what Psalm 139 says you for my inward parts you needed me together in my mother's womb. I praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works, my soul knows it very well.

My frame was not hidden from you when I was being made in secret in the secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth.

You saw my unformed substance in your book were written every one of them. The days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them is sometimes you will say old man God was so caught off guard unit that was attacked. The attack of the evil one, and so on and so forth and and we live in a fallen, sinful world. What I can say to you is, Jesus has conquered death for you and for your baby and so there is hope in God loves you and knows all things that didn't surprise him. And he's with you. Thanks for listening to core Christianity request your copy of today's special offer.

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