What Do I Do If My Pastor is a Narcissist ?

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First up today, let's go to Amy, who's listening in Omaha, Nebraska. Amy, what's your question for Pastor Adriel? I would like to go back to what we were talking in the last show about theology and how theology works. My question is, I know that I've gone through the Bible and I've read certain scriptures, and in one part of my life it meant a different thing than reading it five years later after I've gone through some experience. And this is why I like to go to a Bible study instead of going to one person's belief of what they see in the Bible. So where does theology lie in that? Is it personal theology or is it in individuals? I'm sorry, Amy, you were going to say one more thing.

What was that you mean? No, I was just trying to say, I didn't mean to repeat myself twice, but with theology, is it your personal theology or is it only one person's, like yours? You know, you have your theology of it, but I might read the scripture and see something different.

Thank you so much for that question. And so I would say, you're referencing an earlier broadcast where we talked about the fact that the Bible and the study of the Bible doesn't necessarily need to be against theology and the study of theology and how oftentimes those two things are pitted against each other. And the point that I was making there was that the question is not, are we doing theology? The question is, are we doing theology well or poorly?

Am I a good theologian or am I a bad theologian? Everyone quotes the scriptures, but as you know, Amy, there are people who twist the scriptures. There were people who were twisting the scriptures in the days of the apostles.

They would read things and they would come to the wrong conclusions about what they were reading. Satan himself, when he was tempting our Lord Jesus in the wilderness, quoted scripture. And so I think what we want to say is, we're not trying to focus on the theology of one person.

That's really important. If we're focusing on one individual and if that one individual has their own theology that no one else has had in the history of the Christian church, I would say that person is probably a bad theologian because the Spirit of God is leading his church and guiding us into all truth. So some individual that comes up many years later, whether it's Joseph Smith or some other guy like that, saying, I have the corner on theology. I got it right and nobody else got it right before me.

Well, that's a huge problem. And it's not even our personal theology. We want to have a theology that's in line with the teaching of scripture and the orthodox teaching, the right teaching of the church throughout history.

What we might say is core Christianity, what we see in the Bible. And so I think it's great that you like to study the Bible, that you want to study the Bible, and I think it's wise of you not to focus on the teachings of one individual. But we also have to realize that the Christian church has been around for 2,000 years and that believers, faithful people who love Jesus, lived and died for these truths, and they wrote about them, they talked about them, they synthesized their understanding about some of the things we see in scripture. And that's why we have these wonderful treaties on doctrines like the doctrine of the Trinity, doctrines like the doctrine of God's providence, these things that help us understand who God is so that we might better worship him and grow in our relationship with him. And so continue to study the Bible, but don't study the Bible in isolation, Amy, all by yourself, coming to your own conclusions.

Study it in the context of the church and the history of the church. And it's there that I think we're the safest because the reality is each of us on our own in isolation are prone to twisting the scriptures or misunderstanding them. And the last thing I'll say, sorry I've gone on and on, is you mentioned how sometimes you'll read one passage of scripture and it'll speak to you a certain way at one point of your life and then later on it'll speak to you maybe a little bit differently.

Well, a couple of things. I think that that is true and that in terms of the application of scripture, right, there are times when we'll read a passage and it doesn't seem to apply to me right now and then maybe five years later it does apply to me. But that's really more in terms of the application. It's not that the meaning of the text changes and that it just sort of changes with whoever's reading it. It's that as we read it, we're reading it through the lens of our own experiences and our own needs and so particular passages might speak to us, quote unquote, at one time in our lives more than they did at a prior point.

And that's okay. And that's why we continue to read the Bible and it sounds like that's just what you're doing, Amy, and so may God bless you as you continue to do that and thank you for your call. Thanks so much, Amy. This is Core Christianity with Pastor Adriel Sanchez. Let's go to Elaine in Aurora, Missouri. Elaine, what's your question for Adriel? Yes, thank you so much for your program.

We really get a lot out of it. In Matthew 22, around verse 29, when Jesus is talking about marriage and saying that there will be no marriage in heaven and yet he will marry the bride of Christ, you know, so is there a contradiction or reasonable explanation for that passage? Yes, Elaine, thank you for that question. No contradiction and I believe that there is a reasonable explanation. In Matthew chapter 22, where Jesus is speaking there in response to a question that came to him from the Sadducees, the point that he's making, well, one, he's arguing in favor of the doctrine of the resurrection, that there is a resurrection, which is what the Sadducees denied. But in the context there, he also says, you know, in heaven, we're neither, you know, married or given in marriage.

We're like the angels in heaven. That is to say that, you know, marriage is a part of this world and we're not going to be married or getting married when we're in heaven in the presence of the Lord precisely because marriage is a picture of that great union between Christ and his church. The ultimate marriage is, you know, what Paul talks about in Ephesians 5, Christ and his bride. And so that's what our marriages here on earth are pictures of and when we get to heaven, we're going to have the reality, the marriage supper of the Lamb. And because we have the reality, we won't need the picture anymore, the shadow, if you will, of what marriage is supposed to look like. And the encouragement for all of us, those of us who are married, is that our marriages would reflect that beautiful relationship that Jesus has with his bride. Husbands loving their wives as Christ loved the church, laying down their lives for their wives and wives submitting to their husbands as the church submits to Christ.

It's this beautiful, beautiful relationship that we see. And when we get to heaven, we're going to have the reality. And so there's no contradiction. Marriage on earth is a type, a shadow of the marriage that is going to exist between Christ and his bride in heaven. That's why there's going to be no more earthly marriage. Thank you for your question.

Great explanation. Thanks for that, Adriel. This is Core Christianity with Pastor Adriel Sanchez. One of the ways you can submit a question to Adriel is by emailing us. And we get a lot of emails each week, some great questions. If you'd like to email us, here's the address. It's questionsatcorechristianity.com. Just the word questionsatcorechristianity.com.

Russ emailed us, and here's what he said. What should we do if we sense that our pastor has covert narcissistic personality disorder? We are concerned for him and his young family, but we have several members leaving our church and refusing to serve on committees or council with him. Yeah, this is a real issue in the church today. May God have mercy on pastors, on us.

One book that I think is really helpful, Russ, and I would encourage you to get this book right away, is a book written by Chuck DeGroat. And it's called When Narcissism Comes to Church, Healing Your Community from Emotional and Spiritual Abuse. I read this book around last year, and it's just a really powerful book for a couple of reasons. It helps to define what it looks like when there is a narcissist leading the church. And so that might give you some more clarity. I mean, really, when there is a significant issue here, this individual needs professional help, the challenge is oftentimes for someone who has this kind of disorder, they're unable to see it. And so they need people around them, they need accountability, they need even intervention.

And so getting ahold of this resource might help you in terms of giving you some more clarity about the issue. All of us, I think, sometimes will say, oh, man, I have these narcissistic tendencies. And even reading the book, I just thought, oh, boy, I got a lot of things I need to repent of. God used it in my own life. But there is something different when we're talking about a serious clinical issue.

And so that's where you would need to differentiate. It could be that there are maybe just habits that this pastor has where there needs to be repentance and accountability, and maybe the church can help with that. Or it could be that this is a much more serious issue, and it's destroying this individual, their family, and they need to take a step away from ministry. And so I would say get ahold of that book when narcissism comes to your church.

And Bill, as a counselor, I don't know if you have anything to add as well. Well, you know, if this truly is a clinical issue, as you said, this individual is going to need some professional help. And sometimes there is going to even have to be an intervention on the, let's say, the elders of the church, those that are closest to this individual, to confront him about what they are seeing, both in his interactions with the staff and what's going on in his family. So I think that's the first step.

And if it's just one or two people that say, well, he rubs me the wrong way, or he seems kind of self-focused, that's one thing. If it's truly a full-blown personality disorder, yeah, some intervention needs to take place, and that's where I think the elders need to step up. This is Core Christianity with Pastor Adriel Sanchez. Boy, a tough one. And we'll be praying for your church there, Russ, and what's going on in that situation. Let's go back to the phones. Actually, before we go back to the phones, we want to tell you about something that we really appreciate, and that is a group of people that we call our Inner Core. Those are folks that listen to this program on a regular basis, and they really believe in what we do so strongly that they make a monthly commitment to keep us on the air.

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You can find out more by going to corechristianity.com forward slash inner core, just one word, inner core, corechristianity.com forward slash inner core. We'd love to have you part of that wonderful group of people who make this program possible. Let's get back to the phones. We have Mary from Illinois calling. Mary, what's your question for Pastor Adriel? Hi, Mary. What's your question, sister? Can you hear me? I can hear you.

Okay, thank you for taking my call. There were two kinds of laws. There's the civil law and the ceremonial law. And the civil law requires us to observe the Sabbath. But yet, I don't see anybody worshiping on the Sabbath. They buy and they sell. I'm not understanding either we follow God or we follow man.

Can you elaborate on that? Thank you, Mary, for that question, a question that we do receive from time to time here at Core Christianity. How do we make sense of the Sabbath? Well, first, I think the first time you see the Sabbath is in the early chapters of Genesis where God rested on the seventh day. It's interesting because that's the only day where it doesn't say there was morning and there was evening. It's this picture of an eternal rest, really.

God, you know, he's completed his labor. And then later in Exodus chapter 20 where, you know, you have the giving of the law, you have that commandment, the Sabbath commandment, to rest. Now, you mentioned the civil law and the ceremonial law.

You also have the moral law. And a part of the moral law was, I think, this sort of Sabbath creational call to rest. We are these Sabbatarian creatures, if you will, call to labor and then to enter into rest. And so your question is, in terms of application today, obviously most Christians throughout the history of the church don't worship on Saturday. They worship on Sunday.

So why is that? And then what is that supposed to look like? Well, the reason that Christians in the Christian church worships on Sunday is because that's the day Jesus rose again from the dead. He rose again on the first day of the week. And so from the very beginning, the apostles of our Lord themselves gathered together for worship, not just on the Sabbath, but on the first day of the week. You think of what Luke records in Acts 20, verse 7. It says, on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, it sort of echoes back to Acts 2.42, where it talks about the disciples being focused on the breaking of the bread, the fellowship, the prayers. This is a worship service. And we were gathered together to break bread.

Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. You have a sermon, a very long sermon, a sermon that went till midnight. You also see the disciples of the Lord, the apostles, gathering together on the first day of the week in places like Acts 16, verses 1 and 2.

There was a collection that was taken on the first day of the week. And so it seems to me, Mary, that one, the apostles of our Lord themselves, they began worshiping on Sunday. And if it was good enough for the apostles, it's certainly good enough for me. And the Sabbath is ultimately about that eternal rest that was pictured way back in the early chapters of Genesis, which we only find in Jesus Christ, which is why he says in Matthew 11, at the end of the chapter, come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. We find that true Sabbath rest in Jesus, in his life, death, and resurrection. And again, that's why the Christians started to gather together on Sunday. Now, do people today abuse the quote-unquote Sabbath command?

I think so, insofar as they neglect to gather together with other believers, insofar as they neglect to devote themselves to the worship of God. That's what we're called to do, first and foremost, and I think that's how we keep the Sabbath holy, if you will. But again, it's a shift that you do see in the New Testament, and it's a shift that the apostles themselves participated in, and so that's why we gather together for worship on Sunday.

Thank you for your question. By the way, we receive a lot of questions about the Sabbath on this program, and we've developed a wonderful core question on this topic that really answers that question and more on the Sabbath. It's called, Why Did the Sabbath Day Change to Sunday? You can find that by going to corechristianity.com forward slash questions.

Just look for that particular one on the Sabbath. Let's get back to the phones. We have Terry from Wichita, Kansas, calling in. Terry, what's your question for Pastor Adriel? Okay, Bill and Adriel, I appreciate your wisdom and guidance. I've been listening for a couple of months, but real quickly, a two-part question, so real quickly, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 11 talks about the delusion that will be sent so that you believe a lie. I just question, do you think, the first part of the question, do you think that people who are still here after the rapture of the church before the seven years of tribulation will get a second chance once that moment happens? And then the second question is, do you think that the older that both of you are, the more time that you spend with the Word and look at culture, do you think that there'll be a fairly wide gap between the rapture of the church and the actual beginning of tribulation? Okay, Terry, thank you, one, for your encouragement and for your support.

Glad you've been listening to the broadcast for a few months. We do talk about the rapture from time to time, and of course, that word rapture pertains to the end times. In particular, a view of the end times that says Jesus is going to come back, rapture his church first, those who are truly his, his elect, and then there's going to be a period of time in between the rapture and the second coming, the final coming of Jesus Christ, a time of tribulation, and some people think that's going to be seven years, some people think that's going to be three and a half years. Personally, Terry, and I don't know if you've heard me say this on the broadcast before, my view is that there's one coming of the Lord Jesus Christ at the end, the second coming. Actually, in Matthew 24, when it talks about the gathering together of the elect, the saints, it happens after this time of tribulation, and so I don't see it in scripture that you have these two different comings of Jesus, and I know that, again, there are differences of opinion on this. I don't think that people who take the other view are not Christians or are foolish or anything like that.

I think that this is just something that we can disagree on as people who are students of the Bible and studying the scriptures and trying to understand these things. And so the strong delusion in 2 Thessalonians 2.11 is really focusing on what's taking place right before the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, and it's contemporaneous with the coming of the Antichrist, this lawless one, and that's really what you get, beginning in verse 8 of 2 Thessalonians 2. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

That's the second coming. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing because they refuse to love the truth and so be saved. Right now, we are called to love the truth, to embrace it, to embrace the gospel. Those who reject it and turn from the Lord continually, their hearts are hardened, and there can be this strong delusion that comes, God giving them over to their own sinful desires. You see this in Romans chapter 1, because they refuse to love the truth. Verse 9 says the coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all false signs and wonders and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing because they refuse to love the truth and so be saved.

Therefore, God sends them a strong delusion. And so right now, our focus needs to be on Jesus, on the gospel, on loving the truth. And it sounds to me, Terry, like you do, and so I would encourage you to continue to dig into the scriptures, to fall more and more in love with Jesus as we look forward to his blessed coming again. God bless you. Terry, thanks so much for your call, for being a regular listener to CORE Christianity.

Let's go to David in Kansas City, Missouri. David, what's your question for Pastor Adriel? Okay, there's so many layers to this question.

I'm going to try to make it simple if I can. Okay, so in 2 Chronicles, it talks about if my people will call out and pray to me, and what is it? If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from them and forgive their sins and will heal their land. So, there seems to be a distinction between his people being the Jews and Christians.

That's kind of one part of this. But then, in the book of Daniel, it talks about things that must happen. In the book of Revelation, it talks about things that must happen before Christ comes back. If we're praying for these things to not happen that are happening in this world right now, aren't we actually praying that God won't fulfill his prophecy and fulfill his word?

Hey, David, thank you so much for that question. I don't take 2 Chronicles 7, verse 14 as a prophecy of what has to happen or what will happen in the future if my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. This comes in the context of the dedication of the Solomonic temple, the temple of Solomon being dedicated under the old covenant. God's people were called to live in a particular way under the old covenant. If they did, God would bless them. If they didn't, God would curse them. You see the blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience outlined in places like Deuteronomy chapter 28. In light of that, you have this prayer. God just saying, look, if you do right, you'll be blessed.

If you don't do right, you won't be blessed. But that's really part of the old covenant economy. It's really important that we understand that.

So there's no contradiction. The prophecies that we see in places like Daniel and the book of Revelation do talk about great destructions. There's this great upheaval, if you will. Daniel chapter 2 talks about the nations of the world being crushed by God's kingdom.

Ultimately, those things are going to happen. You think of the final judgment of the Lord Jesus Christ. There's no contradiction between what we have there and what we read there in 2 Chronicles chapter 7, which is really focused on Solomon, his people, God's people under the old covenant. So I appreciate your question, brother. Hopefully that clears it up for you. It's so important, friends, that as we're studying these passages of scripture, especially in the Old Testament, that we understand them in their context, not just applying them to us directly as an individual or even as Americans, but in their context. Call us at 1-833-843-2673. That's 833, the CORE. When you contact us, please let us know how you've been encouraged by this program. And be sure to join us next time as we explore the truth of God's word together. ...