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We're going to leave a couple of links right there in the description so you can do just that. The verse of the day today is coming to you from Galatians chapter 6, verse 14. But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. I've been crucified to my old self. It's not just that I'm a new person.

It's that the old person is dead. And we say this. It's not just a transformation.

It is. But it's a resurrection. I think that's a way more accurate way to think about it. We did a lot of talking about this when Dr. Shah and the team went to Egypt. A lot of religions have an afterlife.

A lot of them. That's not unique to Christianity. It's you passing from one life to the next.

But it's still you. Christianity really is a resurrection of the dead. You have died to sin.

You have died to yourself. When you are reborn, you're not just, oh, I'm alive again. It's you are a new creation, a new person.

Right. And I love what it says at the end of that verse, too. It says, by whom the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. It's not just I am dead to sin. I'm dead to my old self. It's the world sin and its pleasures is dead to me. How alluring, how enticing is a dead thing? It's not. It's repulsive. So would that we take this verse into consideration?

The world should be repulsive to us. That's right. We are celebrating Father's Day this weekend. Happy Father's Day to all the dads, dads to be and dads at heart.

That's right. One of the things about it is we never really get a chance to do Father's Day on the show. So we want to talk about it today. And I thought it'd be kind of fun. We had a couple of people write in and they wanted us to tell some of our favorite stories about like our dads. And I have a lot of them that make my dad look really good, but I'm going to tell one that makes him look not so great. Because if he had done this correctly, it would not have been a story. But because he kind of dropped the ball a little bit, it's one of my favorite stories that I have with my dad. So you know how old people, when they get kind of old, you have to take their keys away. You can't drive them with you too old. So we thought we were going to have to do that with my dad when he first got a phone, a cell phone. Oh, no. This wasn't good. He could not be trusted with it because he didn't understand it. My dad is like, never use the debit card. Only cash in his wallet. Read the newspaper.

I'm not going online or I'll just look at TV. He's real old school. Anti-technology.

Anti-progress. We got him a flip phone back in the day. I was in high school. And he didn't know how to text. He did not know how to make calls. If someone called, he could flip it open and answer, hello? Close it.

Okay. So I don't know what I was thinking, but one day at school, I needed to be picked up right after school. I didn't have my car.

It was in the shop or something like that. And I said, dad, can you pick me up from school? He said, yeah, just let me know what time. I said, cool. I'll text you right there. I was 16. I wasn't thinking at all. I was like, cool. I'll text you.

3.30, 3.45. It's like school is out. I'm the only one there. I'm calling him.

No answer. I'm like, what the heck is going on? So I texted my mom, hey, can you come pick me up?

She works in Lewisburg, like a town over. So about 4.15, my mom's finally coming to get me. I go home and I ask my dad, what happened?

Why didn't you come pick me up? He was like, you didn't tell me what time. I was like, I texted you. Did you see your phone? He was like, well, I looked at my phone, but usually when I flip the phone open, there's a picture of my truck. And I didn't see the truck, so it didn't look right. So I closed the phone and opened it up again, and my truck was there.

And that kept happening over and over throughout the day. I said, did it say new text message? He was like, I don't know what it said. I didn't look at it.

I don't know nothing about that. I was like, bro, oh my God. So I sat outside of school for like an hour and a half because my dad didn't see his phone background and got scared.

It looked wrong, so I closed it. So my mom was like, don't ever do that again. You call me. You text me.

Oh, man, let's see. One of my favorite stories with me and my dad is the first time we went skiing together. So my dad was the youth leader for us. He wasn't a youth pastor, but he kind of stepped into that role when we didn't have somebody in that role. So he was youth leader for us for a number of years throughout my time in youth group. And one of the things that we did every year was go on a ski trip with youth group.

Loved it. The first year that we went, I've never been skiing. He's never been skiing, so we're kind of like fumbling ourselves.

He's a pretty athletic guy, but trying to figure out how to navigate on skis is difficult the first time around. So we're like following on the mountain. We're going on the bunny slopes, but we're laughing, having a good time. Well, we find this one route that we can kind of manage to stay up on the bunny slopes. If you've been skiing, you're familiar. Those are the baby slopes.

Yeah, those are the easy ones. So we find this route, ride it to the bottom, take the lift back up, ride to the bottom over and over and over again. We're like, cool, we got this.

We can do this for a while. However, there is one turn that you have to make in order to stay on the bunny slope. If you don't, you're going to continue down another green slope, but you're going to go to the bottom of the mountain and you'll be separated from the route that we were on. We were almost like halfway up the mountain. So I miss that turn.

He does not. So he makes the turn. I miss the turn and go down to the bottom of the mountain. Remember, novice skier.

I'm like 13 maybe at this point, but I'm like, I'm separated from my dad. This is it. I'm going to freeze to death on the edge of the mountain. So I'm like eating snow because I'm thirsty. You're in survival mode around tons of people.

I'm looking for like a wild animal. I'm going to spear with my ski pole. I'm like, this is it. I've got to survive or I'm going to die. Eventually, I have the thought, you know what? All of our stuff is in the ski lodge. Let me just go to the ski lodge because he's got to go there at some point. I walk in the ski lodge and I see my dad at the end of the hallway. It's one of these tearful moments like, dad, dad. I run up and I give him a hug and I'm like, you're okay.

He's like, you're okay. Then we ate some pizza and that was the end of that story. You guys ride in to let us know because I want to hear what some of the stories I've heard from people in our church have got the craziest stories with their dad. Some of the people are the dad in those stories. Ride in and let us know.

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Again, that's 336-759-0363. Well, John, are you ready? I was born ready, my friend. Let's hop right back in. All right. Welcome back to Clear View Today with Dr. Abbadon Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at ClearViewTodayShow.com.

If you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text at 252-582-5028. That's right. And we're here once again in the Clear View Today studio with, drum roll please, who are we in the studio with? And you know who it is, Dr. Abbadon Shah. Very good to see you, my friend. Happy Father's Day, Dr. Shah. Happy Father's Day. Yeah, happy Father's Day. Celebrating Father's Day in style.

And happy Father's Day to both of you as well. Both of y'all are dads. Yes.

Yes. You're a threat dad. Three years in the making. I've still got a lot to learn. Every single time I think I've got this fatherhood thing licked, man, they grow up just a little bit and I'm entering into a new phase.

But here's the thing. You are the best dad for Gavin Holden. Oh, well, thank you. You're the best one.

World over, you're the best one. Yeah, sure. Do appreciate that. That's right.

Do appreciate that. I was trying to think of something classy to say back, but I was like... To them, you are the best dad. Well, that's true.

That's true. It's one of those weird things where like when you're a kid, nobody in the world can whoop your dad. Like your dad may as well be Superman.

And then it's like even as you get older, you're like, you know what? My dad had his faults, but he could still probably whoop anybody in this world. What is your favorite story, Dr. Shah, of you and your dad? We had someone write in. We actually had a couple people write in for Father's Day and wanted to know what our favorite stories were centered around our dads.

Good night. There's so many stories I have of him. I share the one about the Rubik's Cube.

You remember that? He brought this cube to me, colorful cube, and gave it to me. He didn't tell me anything else. So I'm like, you know, looking at it. And then I kind of put it in a weird twist and I put it down like, there it is.

That's it. He's like, no, I don't think it's that. And then I tried something else. It's like, no, you figure it out.

And in time, I was like, oh, you got to get the same colors on each side. He didn't give you instruction. He just handed you the cube and walked away. But he knew that you would. He knew I would figure it out soon enough.

And I could do one side in like, I would say maybe five seconds, six seconds. Wow. Yeah.

I never met. Still can. Yeah, that's pretty sick. But when you go to two, three, four, five, I've done all six sides. And it took me a little while. I've done it a few times, but it was tough. Yeah.

Yeah. I never, I never met your dad in person. I saw videos of him and I've heard stories of him. But one of the things that always struck me about your dad was just like the, he, he, he, the quiet authority. And what I mean by that is, I mean, you could, you could probably tell it better. The time that you had the little tar lollipop talking about, there was like lots of stories where you're like, oh my goodness, I'm going to get it. But then it, it never actually came.

But that was sort of the lesson, if that makes sense. I don't know if I'm explaining it. For those of you who are hearing for the first time, they were building a road right in front of our house. And so they had, you know, big drums of tar and what do you call those big machines? Oh, I know what you're talking about, but I don't know what they're called. The spinning thing. Yeah.

Like what you see in a cement truck. Yeah. But not, not really that. It's like what you use, like, I want to call it a bulldozer, but it's not really a bulldozer.

It's what they use to straighten out and To tamp it down like a steamroller. Yeah. That's, that's pretty much what it is. And so they left a lot of this stuff.

So they had a lot of these things sitting right in front of our house to the side, by the side of the road. And then when they were finished, they left this one drum of tar, like I would say three fourths of the way full in our church yard. Yeah, I mean just Black, just this liquid black tar. Yeah. This, this metal drum.

Okay. And inside was tar. And so we used to go play with it. So, you know, you take a stick and put it in there and if it's, the sun is hot, it's melted.

If it's not hot, you got to kind of work on it. You take it out and then you rub it together and make it a lollipop. They don't eat the lollipop. But you just play like you're going to eat it and you're like, oh. Yeah, you're going to eat a lollipop.

Sure. And then one Sunday I made the lollipop and took it with me inside the church. Were you just like, I'm going to be careful with it or were you just like not thinking that you're going to the church? Not even thinking. Yeah. It's like, it's a lollipop. I'm going to take it and then maybe keep it or whatever. I just stick it in my pocket.

Yeah. And I put it on the church pew. Oh no. What color were y'all's pews? The pews were wooden. Oh, no cushion. No cushion.

No. Later on they put a cushion on the pews, but the time when this incident happened, there were no cushions on the pew. Kind of bright brown, like a light brown pew. They were varnished. So you could see the tar. Oh yeah.

A hundred percent. They were beautiful pews. And they're still the same pews there, except they've been cushioned over several times. And I left it there. But if you leave that tar and the heat, especially in India, I don't know what time of the year it was.

I think it was somewhere our fall, like maybe September. Okay. Maybe. But still hot. It melted.

So it would harden, but then melt again on the pew. Yeah. Yeah.

The tar would do that. And I forgot. I left it.

Went home. And they were having like a Diggins meeting or something like that. And it hit me, oh no. How old were you at this time?

I would say maybe six years old, maybe five to six years old. I'm like, oh no, I left my lollipop in the pew. And so I was like, ah, I gotta go find it. But I walked towards the church and sure enough, I see them from the window. They're having a meeting. And then I see them walk over to that pew because they were having the meeting inside the church towards the front part of the church. That's where I would sit. Second row when I was a kid.

And then I moved into the choir and do the worship team. And then I kind of sat in the front. And so I was like, oh no, they're finding it.

Cause they all stopped and they were like messing with it. I was like, ah, but it's time for me to go. I gotta bounce real quick. I left. And then later on, I was like, I need to go find it and clean it up because it's going to be a mess.

I knew it was going to be a mess. By the time, cause I know a confrontation's coming. At least let me go on ahead and have it solved before that happens.

Yes. Let me go and find that because I saw them hovering over that pew. So I'm thinking, oh, they caught it. And then I'm going to hear from dad.

So dad came home after the deacons meeting for lunch. He didn't say anything. I was like, I guess maybe they didn't see it. So I went in there and it wasn't there. He was all gone. Oh no.

He didn't say anything. And yet it's not there anymore. Oh goodness. I'm going to get this. I went and looked and I'm like, which pew was it? I was sitting right here. I know I put it right here. Inspecting all the other pews, making sure it's still there.

I know I sat right here. It's gotta be here. Where did it go?

Where is that lollipop at? But they had somehow maybe used something, maybe oil or whatever. They cleaned it up really nice and good.

Wow. And never said anything about it. Never say anything, but I remember. That story always stuck with me because that's just one of those quiet moments. It's a quiet lesson that stick with you more so than the explicit ones or the ones that are, I don't mean explicit, but the obvious ones. I think there's a side to fatherhood that doesn't get talked about today.

And it's that peaceful, still authoritative, but subdued leadership. My dad, it was, it's not like he didn't get onto me. Oh, I got whoopings. But they were over different things. They were not over things where you just goofed up, just made a dumb mistake. That part, he did not buzz at me. It was just kind of like, or just like the time I stole some money from his pocket.

You heard about that story, right? I needed some money and he would come home for lunch and take a quick nap. Because I mean, we literally lived like five steps from the church, five steps, like from here to the door is where the church is.

That's insane. That's how close we were. So not that he worked at the church, his office was at home, but church, he would be there working on this, working on that. And he came home and he would come home lunchtime and it's hot anyway.

So he would take a quick nap and then go back or work or go visit. And I saw his pants hanging on the door and I'm like, Ooh, I see some money in there. Just cash sticking out, like someone just kind of put it there to tempt you. And I don't know what I took out of his wallet, but I did.

And I thought he would never notice it. Do you remember what you bought? I don't even remember that. I don't even remember what I bought from that.

I wish I could. And so anyways, that evening we're sitting down and having dinner and he said, how was your day? And he usually didn't say that. That was abnormal. Yeah, that was all abnormal. So I was like, it was good.

You get everything you wanted, everything good. Like, yeah, okay. And then later on it hit me, I was like, Oh no, he knows.

So that's what I was going to ask you. Just knowing him, I was like, Oh. It wasn't like him to ask you that, but your dad also wasn't very absent-minded. Like he wouldn't have seen money missing and be like, well, maybe I misplaced it or maybe like he was pretty sharp.

Yeah. This, I mean, and again, I think it's because maybe the bill that I took from him was sitting in a place where it was easy to see or he knew how much was there and I was the only kid at the house. So he knew it was me, but he didn't say anything.

He, I think it was not because it was not wrong. I think it was more like he knew I knew it was wrong. And so it was like, you needed money. You could ask me, you know, that was not necessary. I guess you really needed that money.

And then he left it alone. And so he was not like indulging me into like, Oh, here, do it again. Cause I, you know, yeah, you got away with it.

So go ahead and try again. No, it was more like a, yeah, I'm your dad. I love you.

And I'm here for you. If you need anything, right. You know that you didn't have to do that, but he didn't say that. Right. But I got the message that speaks to your, your dad and his wisdom and in parenting, you know, he, he may not have approached it the same way with either your older brother or younger sister. Yeah. That conversation could have gone a lot different because he knew you and he knew how you were geared and how you would think he knew that this would communicate the lesson that he was trying to get across without saying, all right, now sit down, son, let me tell you something. Right. He was able to communicate that expertly in a way that still communicated love, but also, Hey, don't do that again because I'm your dad. Yeah.

Just ask. Yeah. He's a, he's a very wise parent and I don't, I don't know how much of that we really see, you know, these days, especially here in the West, we see either big, big extremes of hands-on helicopter parenting, overreacting and over correcting, or we just see, Hey, we're just buds. We're best friends. You know, it seems like we live on the extremes and I know logically there are people in the middle, but I just feel like we just don't see it, you know, especially in fathers. There's a, there's a lot, if you guys go on TikTok, there's so many, especially around this time of year, there's so many people putting down fatherhood and there's lots of even men who have, I feel like just lost their minds or just trying to keep their women happy or whatever, but are just saying, you know, we're skipping father's day this year. We're really, we're going to skip it because you know, for whatever reason, my birthday falls kind of on the same day and we just don't want to make a huge deal on it. And by the way, she's the one who carried the child and birthed the child and all this stuff.

And so we're, we're just kind of as a family skipping father's day this year. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's a big trend going on right now. And I don't understand, well, I guess I do understand it. We're, it's a way to sort of take our hands off the responsibility of the family rather than how God has set us up to be godly leaders and spiritual leaders of the family.

Yeah. I think for my, for me, my dad tried to demonstrate how God the father is with us. I always thought about that. Like, why did he do what he did? Why did he get onto me in certain situations and not in others? Why did he fuss about this, but not about that? I think he tried to be more like how God is with us. For example, I mean, we steal from God every day. Yeah. Right. I mean, we, we use his earth, we use, he, we use his God given body, mind, gifts, talents, and we don't give him the glory that we should. We steal from him. Yeah.

We don't, we don't give back the way we should. And yet he does not like show up in a cloud or with thunder and lightning and just let us have it. Like, okay, see you tomorrow. Yeah. You know, and, and that's more like how God is, but then there are times God does discipline us. Yeah, true.

True. I know there is one, this is, and this is sort of taken, this is sort of a side thought, but there's one video clip that I really like. I'm going to see if I can find it and maybe put it in this video here and I'll see if I can get it to you, Nicholas, but there's a video clip of your dad and he has a hat on.

Yeah. And I don't know why this touched my heart, but it, he turns the hat backwards. It was used to wearing a backwards hat, but the way that he laughs, he is so into that. He thought it was the funniest thing. Like when I see this guy's face lights up, I mean, I could tell that was very out of character for him to turn a hat around and wear it backwards, but he put a baseball cap on, turned it around and he was like, and the camera pans over to your mom and she's like, why, why would you do that?

Why would you do that? And like for us in 2024 is like, yeah, he's just wearing a backwards hat. But for him, that was like the funniest thing he could have imagined. And I don't know why that, that video clip always, there's a very, a simple heartedness to it that I, that I really appreciated and really liked. I think we've lost that with, with dads. I mean, dads are often either this explosive caricature of anger and losing your temper and, you know, walk on eggshells when dad's home or they're the butt of a joke. I mean, dads are, they're incompetent, they're bumbling. They're just kind of like, what do you think, honey?

Like just kind of like this cartoon. Not necessary. They're not necessary. No, not at all. Very expectable. Mom is definitely the one running the show and dad is just sort of there. Yeah. And, and I think fatherhood is connected to God the father.

That's right. And so whatever we're doing to our understanding of fatherhood is because of how we see God the father and how we see God the father is what we're doing to the institution of fatherhood. And so we're mistreating him because we're mistreating him and we're mistreating him. Hence we're mistreating him. So you get the point.

I'm really disconnected. So I, I think we need to restore the true understanding of fatherhood. We need to bring back that sense of, we don't have to necessarily go back to some long forgotten era, but we definitely could benefit from learning from the past. Like I love life with father, the book, because it has that thing about dads, you know, dads are just, they have their way and people may not always like their way, but they do respect it.

And at the end of the day, there is respect for him. And Clarence Day's life with father, if you've never seen it, never read it, go read it. That was one of my first books that I read when I started reading like long books and our house was being painted. It was Christmas time and all the books were out in the yard covered in under a sheet. And I found that book, Life with Father. Clarence Day never knew what that is, but it was in my dad's library.

I began to read it and it, and I was like, I can see my dad in this. Right, exactly. And I think adopting that responsibility is something that separates the good fathers from fathers that need improvement, especially, and when you do that in the church, when you do that among your church family, I think it's going to translate over to your home. So then doing the dishes for your wife is not going to be such a chore. It's not going to be such a burden. I'm not going to think about, oh, all these things I had to do at work. Now I'm too tired to come home. When you get men involved, and we've seen this at Cleveland, I've seen it through Dr. Shah's leadership and through engaging the men here that way, that you want to be a better husband. You know, it's not something that you have to force yourself to do, what to mean marriage harder. Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead.

I'm sorry. I was just saying, as we're headed into Father's Day weekend, what advice or what encouragement would you have for dads? Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to talk about, is really examine through scriptures what it means to be a dad. And don't compromise. I'm not saying just be hardcore and belligerent and stuck in your ways, but don't compromise.

Be the dad. Be the father God has called you to be. Emulate God the father, which means you know what you're doing.

You know what you're talking about. You're not arrogant. You're not always right, and don't have that spirit. But do study. Do study the Word of God. See what God has to say about life. Don't be stuck in your ways and giving some old opinion of somebody and be like, yeah, this is the hill to die on.

Are you sure? Because if it's not the hill to die on, then don't die on that hill. Know what matters, what doesn't. Know what convictions are worth standing on, and what are just your preferences. Because that's one way you can frustrate your kids when you have a long list that somebody gave you, whether in your home growing up, granddaddy, daddy or friend or some pastor or somebody you looked up to, and now you're carrying their list.

And you feel like, if I carry the list, then I am being the... No, study for yourself. Talk to God. Read His Word.

Pray, and then see what things are worth standing on and what things are worth living with. And it's not a big deal. And then be bold. Be clear.

Don't compromise. Like the passage we just read, what was that passage we just talked about, 1 Timothy? 1 Timothy 2.8.

2.8. It talks about, you know, when Paul says, I desire men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer without wrath and without doubting. You know, that's what you're doing. Spiritually you're leading. Without wrath, without doubting. Without wrath, don't walk around with bitterness. Life will do things. Family will do things. Don't hold that in. Without wrath, without doubting means being a father or being a man or being a leader is not always bringing up some sticking point or some hesitation, because that's what we think. Being on a committee or being in a leadership means I have to say how it's not going to work. Let me tell you what the real world is like. Have you all thought about this?

I know you're all getting excited, but you ain't thinking it through. Yeah, that's not necessarily that. If there's a real point, make it. But if not, don't always think you have to be the one to drag your feet. Without wrath and without doubting means help people trust God more.

Help people walk in faith and confidence and hope. Be a man. Be a father.

That's right. I love it. Hope you guys have a wonderful Father's Day weekend celebrating the dads in your life. Dads, I hope you feel celebrated this weekend. Like Dr. Shaw said, be a man, be a father.

Step up into that world that God has given you and take it seriously and help us as a church, as the church, reclaim biblical manhood and biblical fatherhood. Today was helpful for you. Write in and let us know, 252-582-5028, or you can visit us online at ClearViewTodayShow.com. Don't forget you can partner with us financially on that same website. Scroll to the bottom, click that donate button, and let us know it's coming from our Clear View Today Show family.

John, what encouragement do you have for our listeners this weekend? Go worship your Heavenly Father at your church this weekend, and then after that, go down to the Bear Pond Market, right? If you don't have a Bear Pond Market in your town, you need to go and drive to Henderson, North Carolina. Buy a steak from the Bear Pond Market.

It's the best butcher that you can ever find. And then go ahead and grill your dad a steak. If you don't know how to grill your dad a steak, watch a YouTube video. Don't make him do it. Don't make him grill his own steak. There you go. Yeah, don't make him grill his own steak on Father's Day.

And then your mom can have like a peanut butter sandwich or something, whatever you want. I don't know how to end after that. I'm just going to... We love you guys. We'll see you next week. We love you guys. Happy Father's Day to all the dads, dads-to-be and dads-at-heart out there. See you guys on my day on Clear Eats Today.
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