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I got to make a couple of just a minor. There we go. Now we'll be set. Okay. So, in the last hour, we talked with Rick Manning. We talked about the gun grab that's going on. We talked a bit about the NDAA, not a lot about it, but we did talk about it. We'll talk more about it throughout the program, probably towards the end of this hour.

Let me bring my volume down there just a little bit. There we go. And so we'll talk a little bit more about that as well. But the NDAA basically says that the DOD now is going to be potentially, if it's passed in its current form, the DOD will be over public health. And that will mean that the military will be made responsible for making sure that you and I get our injections. And I talked a bit about how important, well, what happened to the January 6th guys, who the military style vehicles and FBI agents dressed in full army military attack mode, went into these neighborhoods, busted their doors down and took them into custody, and how that relates to the issue of the gun grab and the removal of the semi-automatic rifles. That also includes some language about removal of semi-automatic pistols, but at least collecting data and information on whether you own a semi-automatic pistol, so they can later come in and remove those from you, and that the purpose of all of that is to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.

And somebody who defends themselves against tyranny are our friends in Israel, who are all armed and they all serve for two years, learning how well to defend both as uniformed citizens, and then once they've learned that, they have that skill set to be able to defend their country in case of an invasion. Dr. David Wormser joins me, Center for Security Policy. Dr. Wormser, welcome. Thanks for having me.

It's always great. I was trying to kind of build the bridge for us with regards to that, if you will, but you know, the Israelites do, every citizen automatically, it's two years, right, that they serve? Actually, the males have to serve three and a half, and women two and a half. Okay, so they are obviously then fully trained, combat trained, and they then take that training with them into their civilian life as well, but they are, they still are armed, and they are well able to defend their homes, defend their neighborhoods, come together, potentially if necessary, create a local militia to protect their homes and communities in the event of an attempted invasion by certain Palestinian forces like Hamas or others. Well, we may get a test of that fairly soon. I mean, the amount of illegal weaponry that has flowed into the Palestinian Authority, and Hezbollah has sent to its operatives in Israel some of the Israeli Arabs, and Hamas has sent to Israeli Arabs. The Israelis think there are several hundred thousand illegal firearms in the Palestine among Arabs in Israel. There are Arabs who can legally carry guns, and many Arabs actually serve in the Israeli military. Christian Arabs are pretty much turning the corner. They no longer consider themselves as much Arabs as they consider themselves Christians, so they are all beginning to join the Israeli military. So there's a lot of guns that are legal among the Arabs, but there's also hundreds of thousands of illegal guns, and from everything we hear and see and what the Israeli police and domestic intelligence service is telling the Israelis is that the next round of war could be very ugly internally because of those illegal firearms. There could literally be an internal use of those firearms against Israelis. And we saw, I had a little taste of it a few months ago when you had that terror wave in Israel and the Israeli government were its citizens. When you go out, take a gun, take your gun with you, go arm yourself and get out there with a gun so that if a terrorist attack starts, it will stop very fast. And that indeed happened. If you see the nature of terrorist attacks in Israel, the same terrorist attack in Paris or in London would claim 15 people, and Israel claims one or two, because within 30 seconds the terrorist is usually, they call it neutralized, we call it killed.

Which is, there you go. And so I want to bring that into, we talked a little bit the last time you were with me about the Khashoggi situation, and the vilification that was made of the Saudi prince and of Saudi Arabia and the whole fist bump thing and all that stuff. But Khashoggi had strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Brotherhood was in fact, to the best of our understanding, plotting an assassination attempt against the crown prince. I think they were plotting even more than that. I think they were plotting a destruction of the Saudi government, not just the prince.

The Khashoggi, to understand properly, he was sympathetic to Al Qaeda, and he basically was within that world. Now, Al Qaeda was very smart. The way they operated, they didn't say, oh, we want to be a terrorist organization. They said, we're for democracy, and the religious leadership of Saudi Arabia needs to decentralize and become more democratic. And the subtext of that is, the government of Saudi Arabia loses control of the religious element. And that government is based on a twin pillar, the Saud family and the Wahhabi religious establishment. And if you democratize, so to speak, the religious establishment, you essentially lose control of the regime.

So it's a very kind of nefarious way to use our own values against us. The upshot of it was in 1979, a bunch of young Al Qaeda prototypes took over the great mosque in Mecca. Hundreds were killed.

It was a bloody, bloody affair. And their demand was the Al Qaeda demand, that the ulama, the religious establishment of Saudi Arabia, needs to decentralize and democratize. So Khashoggi plays this game very well. He's sympathetic with Al Qaeda, but he talks to the West in the language of democratization. Can we clarify, though, who Al Qaeda actually is? Because you're talking about them, and so it sounds like they're kind of heroic, and they're pushing for a true Western democracy. But Al Qaeda is, I mean, they are an Islamic terrorist organization, right?

100% right. They are, up until ISIS, they were the most grisly and dangerous terrorist organization. They're an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Okay.

All right. So in other words, they are Sunni sharia practitioners, if you will. And they're not our form of, you know, democratic republic freedom fighters by any stretch of the imagination.

They are. They call themselves salafis. Salafis were the first, sort of the forefathers of Islam, the first two, three hundred years. There's this idea that they were pure, before there was any interpretation, before there was any change. Absolute literal interpretation of sharia. So they saw the Saudis and the Wahhabi as a perverted version of their Islam.

Heretics. Because Wahhabis are not, they're not Shiites, they're Sunnis also, but they're not sharia, quote unquote, straight up sharia compliant Sunnis in the same way as Al Qaeda. Or are we just cutting very fine hairs? It is a little fine, but it is a distinct, maybe a fine distinction with a great difference.

Okay. You know, the Wahhabis are also, to some extent, salaf in that sense, salafis, but they do have some interpretation in view. Which means, you know, once there's a little bit of interpretation, it can go a long way. So essentially, they are much more modern than, say, Al Qaeda is.

Not greatly modern. But, you know, the Saudi government is even moving beyond that original Wahhabi core. So the Saudi government is definitely attempting to modernize, and this has been one of the big frustrations for Al Qaeda. One has to remember, when Al Qaeda talks about decentralization and democratization, they have a very different concept than us.

Our concept is that the sovereignty of a nation lies in its citizens, not in its government. Their view is that God is everything. There is a unity to the universe, that God is absolutely everything. Well, their version, Allah. Allah, exactly.

But it's a totality. So what it means is, there is no sovereignty that is allowed other than just God's. And as a result, anybody who believes he has sovereignty to elect his government is considered policyism. Which, because he worships something other than the God, he worships democracy or freedom. So this split, then, that exists in Saudi Arabia, where you have the Wahhabi religious sect, and then you have the monarchy, which represents a separate political entity, if you will. That, for them, is conflict, because the monarchy shouldn't exist, and the Wahhabis supporting that monarchy are now walking in heresy. Ultimately, any division is shirk, which is heresy, a polytheistic heresy, because you have two flags. By the way, it comes from their polemic against Christianity and Judaism, and why it gains such a vast importance. Your argument against Christians, where you have three not one, because you talk about the Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Ghost.

Right, so that's a rip in the unity. The Jews, because they don't believe that their law is universal. There's no conversion attempt in Judaism, because Chinese are Chinese, they don't need to be Jewish. So, all of a sudden, the division of nations is a polytheistic construct, in their view. By the way, this is where you have to go to the Palestinian issue. Islamic? And so we will.

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I'm David Wormser, Center for Security Policy. What you've just gotten into, and I hope you're taking a few notes on this, is a deeper understanding of the conflicts that exist within Islam as a belief system, and it is a belief system. I know, you know, on the one hand, it's not a religion in my mind in the same way as Judaism and Christianity. Because just like other truly man-made-up, Mohammed created Islam by grabbing bits and pieces of a whole lot of different beliefs as he traveled as a young man and as a child and then as a young man with his uncle, who was a merchant who went to all these different places, and Mohammed didn't like certain rules and liked other rules and was apparently somewhat charismatic and was able to, and the irony is that initially, Dr. David, he tried to create a religion and he got thrown out.

Yeah. Well, you know, one of the interesting things about Islam is every Islamic scholar will tell you, well, Islam, unlike Christianity and unlike Judaism, grew up in the spotlight of history, namely that it happened at a time when we had really good recorded history. My problem with that is actually we have pretty good recorded history of the period of Jesus, and archaeology is beginning to provide a good bit of recorded history for Judaism. What we don't have is any recorded history of Islam in its first 60 years. Everything that is the orthodoxy of Islamic history is based on histories that were written after the first 60 to 90 years of Islam. And we know that there were two major traumatic events in whatever was Islam at the beginning in the first 90 years. One was a revolt by Ibn Zubaydah, which was riveting and it tore everything apart and may even have moved Mecca from its original place where we don't know where it is to where it is. And the second one was Abdul Malik, when he won against that uprising, edited and changed entirely the Quran. He claimed he was making it more easy to read and reorganize, but the truth was there was major revisions of the Quran 90 years in by the admission of Muslims themselves. So, we really don't know what Islam was in its first 10 to 20 years. If you're a faithful Muslim, you believe in the history that came after Abdul Malik and you believe that's the true story and that essentially the Quran is the Quran. But, historically, we have no evidence of that. And then there's the Hadith, which is essentially the story of Muhammad.

And, you know, we kind of have to take it at its face value because, again, same situation, right? I mean, we assume that those are first-hand writers and first-hand witnesses that watched him do the things that he did and we assume then that that's the reason why the Quran is given, the deference that it's given is because of what's read in the Hadith. The Hadith is supposed to kind of fill in the gaps, so to speak.

It's supposed to fill in the gaps and it's ultimately based on stories of people who were witnesses to what happened. But the problem is that after about 100 to 200 years, people had these intricate chains of, you know, my grandfather, whose brother was the sister of this guy, witnessed Muhammad say. So there were these intricate chains, so to speak, of legitimacy to the Hadith. And they actually had to sit down two, three hundred years into Islam and figure out, well, what's real and what's invented? And that's a difficult thing, obviously. So, yeah, the Hadith is an interesting question, too. Well, and then we were going to, when we finished that, we've only got about a minute left of this, and then when we come back in the next segment, I want to get into the Iran and the nuclear situation and that threat. But just very quickly, you were leading into the statement about the Palestinian thing.

Right. You see, this shows you how the Palestinian issue is really a Soviet liberation movement issue, because under Islam, if everything's a unity, you can't have nationalism. So you could have Islamic government in Palestine, but you can't have Palestine. Nationalism is itself polytheism in their mind.

So this is all for Western consumption. Before 1964, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people, because it violated Islam, and it violated the idea of the Arab nation. Which is the reason for folks to understand why there's this battle over caliphate between the Sunnis and the Shiites, and who is it that has the actual rightful ascension to the throne, and who should be sitting on the throne of that, because the caliphate is that ultimate throne of Islam all being back together under one umbrella. And so the question mark then becomes, and you can't have two caliphates on the earth at the same time. So you have this battle going on between the Shiites and the Sunnis, and we'll pause there, because I think that's a good place, because we've talked about the Sunnis and Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia and so on.

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And welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio where no topic is off limits, everything filtered through biblical glasses. My very special guest, Dr. David Wormser, Center for Security Policy. And he is our expert in the area of Israel and things in the Middle East. And I want to talk about this Iran situation because I think that it's really important for people to understand we've certainly heard Iran saber-rattle before. And you and I have talked for a number of years now about Iran and their access to nuclear weapons and things of that nature. The Obama administration, the way I describe it is, and I think you and I may have talked about this the last time, but the Obama administration, the JCPOA, essentially legitimized and gave Iran cover. We knew that Iran was developing nuclear missiles and a means to deliver them and so on. But the JCPOA gave Iran the excuse and the international world the ability to say, oh, well, yeah, we know Iran has nuclear weapons and, yeah, they're a little bit ahead of schedule, but look, it's all written out right here. Trump abolishes that.

Now they got a problem. But they don't stop developing nuclear weapons. Now Biden comes back in and he's going to reinstitute our arrangement with the JCPOA, which, again, just legitimizes the international community saying, yes, we know, because at the end of the day, the international community wants Israel wiped off the map and the international community wants America brought to its knees.

Yeah. I mean, look at the U.N. Look at the way that people vote in the U.N. and you can't escape that conclusion. The JCPOA, and this, I think, is an important point, the Iran deal. When President Trump walked out, it was only a year and a half, two years before the start of the Biden administration. And the sort of developments you're seeing in Iran right now indicate a full and active program that was secret in that entire period before. They did not develop a weaponization of a bomb in the last two years. You didn't take them six months to do that, you don't think?

No. They've been working on this for a decade or two. They never came clean. You know, the JCPOA, the first thing in it was that they were supposed to come completely clean about everything they had done until that point.

Well, we know from the Israelis going into Tehran and taking their nuclear archives back to Israel in that amazing intelligence operation four or five years ago, we know that they never came clean. So, first of all, the second thing is, again, you don't take a criminal and say, well, I'm going to make you not a criminal by validating and legitimizing some of your criminal activity. Well, we do that, though, here in America now. Well, now we do.

Right? So it's kind of a, yeah, we're just taking it. Right, and we see how well it works in Los Angeles and New York and so forth.

Chicago, yeah. It's going to work the same way with the Iranians. But this is the key point. If the Iranians walk out of the nuclear deal, it doesn't mean they're freed, scot-free, to go pursue a weapon. It means they have to go back to the original law, the original agreement of the Non-Proliferation Treaty that allowed them to have access to this technology, which is much stricter than the JCPOA. I don't understand why this administration kept saying, well, the Trump administration walked out so Iran was scot-free.

No, Iran is not scot-free. They were still obliged to that, and if they can't live up to that, they have to live up to an even stricter code. But bottom line is, they were always after a bomb. This legitimized the bomb program. They now have, by the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency's admission, they now have enough for a bomb, a bomb-grade material. And number two, the Iranians themselves now are admitting that they have the technology and the capability of the bomb. And now they're beginning to tell us how they'd use it. We had assumed until now it was on the Israelis only.

But yesterday or two days ago, one of the chief architects of the program made it very clear that they will reduce New York to rubble. Now, the other piece to this had to do with their ability to deliver, and whether or not they had the ICBMs or some other means by which to send nuclear weapons our direction. And basically, with the money that the Obama administration gave them, they bought the mechanisms from Russia necessary for them to be able to make these kinds of long-range launches. Am I off with what I'm saying there? No, you're absolutely correct with what you're saying.

This was never a question. Back when I was in government in 2002, 2003, 2004, the Iranians were developing a missile that could hit London. Now, you have to ask yourself, why would you build a missile to hit London if it wasn't going to be tipped with some sort of an unconventional warhead, either biological or nuclear or chemical? Because think about sending one missile with a 100-pound bomb into London. You've just started a nuclear war and you've done very little damage.

I mean, it's bad, but that's no deterrent. It was obvious, and also the shape of the warhead clearly was parallel to the one in North Korea and Libya. And so back in 2002, 2003, it was very clear they were hell-bent on a nuclear program, a weapons program.

Right, right, right. So I guess the question, Dr. David, becomes, how serious should we take now this threat about turning New York into rubble? I mean, we don't want to put untold fear in people, but how serious should we take it? And in light of what the Obama administration, or I'm sorry, what the old Biden administration has done to our military defense systems, how vulnerable are we to whatever their threat is? Well, yeah, one of the things that worries me the most is, and again, I think we Americans have to realize about ourselves, we watched these wars with Israel, and Israel shoots down, you know, six and a half thousand missiles, 8,000 missiles are shot at Israel, and none get through to kill any civilians. They have a full missile shield, and of course there's small turret territory and so forth with layered missile defense. The United States does not have a full up missile defense shield for this country. If somebody launches an intercontinental missile on the United States, if Russia launches a nuclear missile attack on us, these missiles will hit America.

This was going back to the Reagan administration. Well, I was just going to say, because basically what Israel has done is put into effect the concept that Reagan suggested we needed for the United States, the dome, if you will, Star Wars, as some referred to it, but essentially what Israel has in place is exactly what President Reagan said America needs to have in place, and he got laughed at. Yeah, you see, at the end of the day, the Israelis don't believe truly in deterrence. They believe that if Iran gets a bomb, the imbalance of population demography, you may not be able to deter the Iranians. So they really believe in denial of ability to be either the victim through missile defense or preemptive measures to prevent them from getting a bomb. The wise cacklers in Washington all believe in mutual assured destruction. This, ever since the 60s, has been the strategic concept of the wise men of Washington, and that basically means that both sides are in a deadlock because of deterrence and know they will destroy each other. So if anybody develops anything that upsets that mutual assured destruction, it can be stabilizing, because the Russians will think they lost an advantage and it will preempt a strike, or we will think we have an advantage and we will go first or whatever. So it's so ingrained in the Washington world that we have a balance with Russia. Russia needs to have a deterrence against us, and we need to have one against them. So God help us if we actually try to develop a defense system, because at that point it messes up this mutual assured destruction calculation. But in addition to that, the reality I guess is, and I don't know why it is that we're out here singing about it, but that seems to be what's happened, and that is that America's deterrent, quote unquote, are our number of nuclear warheads and so on, and our capability quite frankly to be able to deliver those and the dependability of that system has become so significantly in question that there's, we should have some concerns about that as well. Am I correct in that?

Absolutely two things. One was in the 80s under Reagan, our intelligence, especially a good guy in the Defense Intelligence Agency, Bill Lee, really penetrated Soviet strategic thinking, and he realized that the Russians did not have a deterrent concept. They had a war fighting concept. They really thought that they could win a nuclear war and that we were deluding ourselves to think that they were neutral. The second thing is, you're absolutely right, when the Cold War ended, the Russians had access to Western technology. They'd been very busy at work developing the next generation of nuclear weapons and missiles.

The Chinese never stopped. We started disarming essentially, and so right now the Russians, the Chinese have hypersonic missiles. We do not. They have more missile defense. We don't have as much. At the end of the day, we rested on the laurels of our victory and we are now facing a fairly difficult circumstance with the Russians and Chinese. I wouldn't look at Ukraine and see how badly their conventional forces performed to say, well, they're not a real military.

They have real nuclear weapons and real missiles that could really arrive in the United States. And that's something for us to be very concerned about. Dr. Wormser, thanks for being with us today, folks.

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I am Patriot Mobile. And welcome back to Children's Generation Radio, where no topic is off limits and everything filtered through biblical glasses. I'm your host, Pastor Greg. I hope that you enjoyed getting some of that background information with regards to understanding the kind of the holistic approach that exists and, of course, ultimately the battle that is going on within Islam. As David talked about in the beginning of the last half hour, and the battle between the Sunnis and the Shiites, and even a battle within the different Sunni sects, why Saudi Arabia is uniquely different, as an example, relative to Al Qaeda and that element and elements associated with Al Qaeda.

And then, of course, you have Iran and the Shiites, and you have Erdogan in Turkey, which, you know, Turkey is moving closer and closer to being more Sharia focused and Sharia compliant. And the only way that the United States of America overcomes all of this evil that's going on in the world is we have to get back to our biblical God based foundation. And again, as I was closing out the last hour and reiterating that, and I know that folks say, oh, you know, it's like you're, well, I don't know, maybe not.

Maybe you don't. Maybe you agree with me and maybe you think that more people should be talking about the necessity for us to get back to God. And more importantly, not just to get back to God, but to get back to the root of scripture and understanding what a biblical worldview looks like and the good news that's associated with it. You know, when we talk about the inerrancy of scripture, when we talk about the moral foundations and virtue and things of that nature, what we need to understand as well and voice is that that inerrancy of scripture, that moral virtuous nature is what does allow others to have freedom of choice. But the challenge is this. The challenge is, is that when immorality becomes the law of the land and when immorality supersedes virtue, and now you have a situation and it's interesting that Dr. Wormser was talking about, you know, the embrace of lawlessness, if you will, which made me think about, you know, what we're doing right here in the United States of America, where we are embracing lawlessness, where we are letting criminals out early and those criminals are going out and victimizing more people. And because we have raised the bar, so to speak, we have said, well, you know, certain crimes now are not going to be crimes anymore.

If you steal up to $950, you can go into one of these places in some of these larger cities and you can go ahead and you can just steal away and nothing's going to happen to you. And somebody's going to end up paying for that somewhere along the line. And there's conversations about, you know, well, we're going to increase the minimum wage. Well, that's all well and good. It's not.

But I'm just saying, let's say that that's all well and good. But when you then meet that by having individuals coming out of prisons early and you're telling people that it's OK to steal up to a certain amount of money or a certain amount of merchandise and there's going to be no consequences for doing so. And so now you have a situation where you raise the minimum wage and say, oh, well, we're going to fix employment issues by raising the minimum wage. We're also going to allow criminals to go in and just steal stuff because remember that it's the imperialists that are the problem. So it's really these big box stores and so on, except that it's not the big box stores that generally are getting hit. It's the smaller mom and pop places that are the places that are actually getting hit. And insurance companies are saying, guess what?

We know that this is now being encouraged. And so we're not going to cover these kinds of criminal thefts. We're going to exclude these kinds of losses from your policy. So now you don't have the ability now to turn to the insurance company to try to recover for the loss.

You just suffer the loss. Well, a lot of these smaller businesses can't do it. And not only are smaller businesses not being able to do it, but the larger companies aren't able to do it as well, folks. And so as these bigger businesses then begin to cut back and cut down because they can't handle the losses, then they start looking at the demographics and they look at the different areas where their stores are. And if they notice that a particular store is a loss leader when it comes to these kinds of thefts that are taking place, they're going to start closing these places down.

And now, just like in the neighborhoods where you had these protesters come in, the BLM protesters, well now, instead of having these businesses there, which would create the economic opportunities for folks to be able to put food on their table and take care of their families and stay off of the street and stay out of the drug world and not be pushed into gangs and prostitution and so forth, well now, you're eliminating all that. And who's behind it? Who's doing that? Well, it's the very same people that these individuals vote for every time and all they're doing is they're voting for their own demise. We'll talk about that more tomorrow with David Lowery.

We'll talk about it probably as well with Ward Connerly. But folks, it's a cycle. And ultimately, the cycle will not be broken without coming back to what the Word of God says. See, the law that's discussed in the Word were laws that God gave to the Israelites when they came out of Egypt and they were forming community. And so God gave them laws because most of the civilizations in that day, they were all heathen. And they didn't have sanitation laws and they didn't have how certain things were going to be done. And so here comes the Lord God Almighty and He says, I'm going to choose you to be My people and then I'm going to show you how to live so that you live better than everyone around you.

And He did. And He gave them the laws. Now, we can talk about the laws as being a foreshadowing to showing us sin and they were. But a lot of them had to do with just basic day-to-day cleanliness and sanitation and how you did certain things and, you know, if you've got a woman who has the issue of blood, in other words, a woman who's on her time of the month, you're supposed to have that person be separated out because in those days they didn't have a means to keep everything clean and so there was a separation. And there were separations for all these different things that were taking place that were functions of a very large group of people all living together so that they stayed clean and so that they stayed healthy and so that disease didn't pass between them. And in fact, they kept disease out of their community. It's what made them so unique and it made them so prosperous. And it was the same thing when it came to being in Egypt. Remember that the Pharaoh looked over at them and he said, wait a minute, those guys are prospering. Those guys are doing really well. We need to clamp down on them. We need to kill their firstborn children. We need to do some things because they're becoming more powerful than us in our own land. Well, why was that?

Well, the reason why was the same reason that Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, why it was that they were healthier than all of Nebuchadnezzar's others because they ate differently, because they handled their business differently and therefore they prospered. I'll be back with more. I got contacted by attorney Tom Renz over the weekend who represents some whistleblowers within the Department of Defense. So these are whistleblowers that have been extracting data out of the Defense Department database. They have noticed a very alarming increase in instances of certain conditions compared to a five-year average.

They also have evidence that with myocarditis, the data has been doctored already. I'm the one dealing with the medical boards. I'm the one watching the witch hunts. I'm the one fighting them off, and I'm the one telling them where to go.

I'm going to keep doing that. 9-28-2021, Project SALIS weekly report. Project SALIS is a Defense Department initiative where they take all this data that doesn't exist supposedly and they give it to the CDC. They're watching these vaccines. On that date and around that date, I have numerous instances where Fauci and that entire crew were saying it's a crisis un-vaxxed. It's 99 percent un-vaxxed in the hospital.

In Project SALIS, in the weekly report, the DOD document says specifically 71 percent of new cases are in the fully vaxxed and 60 percent of hospitalizations are in the fully vaxxed. This is corruption at the highest level. We need investigations. The Secretary of Defense needs investigated. The CDC needs to be investigated. You combine now the fact that there's at least suspicions that the Defense Department is doctoring with the data.

I would contend, Senator, that there's not just a suspicion. In August, when the report was run on acute myocarditis in the DOD website, there were 1,239 cases and now when you run it, it's down to 307. In January of 2022, there were 176 cases and magically, they are now down to 17.

There is a word for that. It's not suspicious. We have in the military the single best data set we, that exists because we have baselines in there and acute disease across all categories in the preceding years, five years, leading up to the vaccination year, was 1.7 million. They introduced and mandated a COVID-19 vaccine for our U.S. military when they had only lost 12 service members total to the disease and in the 10 months of 2021 after COVID-19, it jumped from 1.7 million all diseases to darn near 22 million. That was a 20 million increase. We need to not be calling this suspicious.

With all due respect, we need to be asking hard questions of the DOD and I will close by saying, they are charged, at least in part, with protecting the sanctity and welfare of the brave men and women who are defending this country and right now, these numbers indicate something is drastically wrong and I know of only one reason that databases roll math backward. Who are you? Identify yourself.

So sorry. My name is Lee Dundas. I'm a human rights attorney that's working with Tom Rents on the whistleblower issue in the military. I would ask that Congress listen to these whistleblowers, put their testimony on record. These are brave men and women of very high rank in the U.S. military because not just do we, Congress, in this building need to hear about it. The world needs to hear about what is going on.

Well, I will listen to them. We will take their transcribed interviews. We will gather their data and again, I put the Defense Department on notice. They must preserve these records so we can investigate. Thank you. By the way, I just got to, I have to show you, this is what we get when I investigate.

I mean, this isn't to do with this. This is after a couple of years trying to get information out of another agency and we finally get the information and it's all redacted. This is how the federal government, the agencies comply with congressional oversight. We're glad to share with you, Senator, because we have quite a bit of those that aren't blanked out and we also want to tell you, listen, the side effects, the only one that they're recognizing, that's an outright lie. I've got the Pfizer documents. Pfizer said in their FOIA documents that they released, they said, we're looking for these side effects. The FDA said, we're looking for these documents. We've got their documents showing what they're looking for. They're not sharing it with the American people because they're covering this up. Corruption was the word of the day and it needs to be reiterated.