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Rick Manning is on with us, Americans for Limited Government. Rick, welcome. Good to have you, sir. Absolutely great to be here.
Thank you. And my pleasure always to welcome Dr. David Wormser, Center for Security Policy. And as I mentioned in the warm-up, he is the director of the project on global anti-Semitism and the U.S.-Israel relationship. And there's a lot of anti-Semitism that is taking place right now. We just passed 75 years after Auschwitz.
And it's interesting to note, relative to that, that when our American general came upon that, he wanted to make certain that lots of pictures were taken, lots of historical record established, because he said, one day, one day, they will say that this did not happen. David, we're experiencing that. I mean, we've been experiencing it for quite some time, but we're especially, it seems, experiencing it now. And it's really become more emboldened among some of the higher academia.
Can you speak to that? Yeah, I mean, look, there's been an existence of anti-Semitism as long as there's been Jews, so it's not an entirely new phenomenon. But what is new, well, it's not that new, but it's how much right now the anti-Semitism is gravitating toward the left and the fashionable ideas of the left. And I think where it's really coming from at the end of the day is that what happened at Mount Sinai, and what happened in the Bible, and what happened at Mount Moriah, where the near sacrifice of Isaac and so forth, this is the foundation of the West. So if you want to destroy the West, ultimately you're going to have to go back to its foundation. And while the Constitution protects freedom of worship of all faiths and sects and so forth, we are at the end of the day a Judeo-Christian nation culturally.
And it is the foundation of who we are. So if you really want to take down the West, you've got to take down that. And that to me right now is why the West is so gravitating toward the destruction of Israel, the delegitimization of Israel, the intense assertion, emotional and intensive assertion that Jerusalem belongs to the Muslims, not to the Christians and Jews. I think this is all part of the larger war on the West.
And not that all anti-Semitism is, but this particular leftist assault these days I think is. And so we're going to see it intensify the more the progressive camp feels that it's gaining ground and destroying the foundations of America. And they act as though this is happening or they're doing this inside of a vacuum when the reality is that this is creating a huge destabilization in the Middle East in an area that under the Trump leadership and the Trump policies, there was a peace that was beginning to take shape that had not happened in that region in a very, very long time. And now you have, you know, Pocom China Joe and his policies are very quickly unraveling that. Issues with Iran, their nuclear program certainly has to be a grave concern. ISIS seems to have risen again.
And nobody wants to talk about it. But, you know, Turkey and their influence in that region and what they are trying to accomplish and Erdogan's push towards a new Ottoman Empire. And all of it is being supported in the background by China.
Take your pick, I guess, David, which one of those you want to take a swing at? No, I mean, look, this administration is there on steroid version and foreign policy of the Obama administration and where the Obama administration went is they went to who was our best ally, best set of allies during the Cold War, whether it was Colombia fighting the FARC, whether it was opposing Cuba, Israel in the Middle East, UAE, Saudi Arabia to some extent, Poland, you know, the Eastern European countries that liberated themselves from working control. When you look at Obama's foreign policy, he distanced himself from our allies and ended the special relationship we had with places like Japan and Israel and so forth. And instead, he reached out to our enemies to try to make them on even par or made them on par with our allies. It's not even quoted much more aggressively than our allies. So there's really a undoing. Just like you have the Biden people, if Trump did it, it must be bad and you have to do the opposite.
You had with Obama sort of if Reagan did it, if the United States did it in the Cold War, then it must have been bad and you have to do the opposite. So it's really a hard time to be an ally of the of the United States under this administration. And the result of it is that our enemies really feel that they have a moment and yet they're reading our political theories. They do sense something happening here. They're not impervious to what happened in Virginia and so forth than a couple of weeks ago.
So they know they have about a year now to really set things up as far as they can set things up in their favor. So I would look for the next 12 months to be awfully dangerous, destabilizing and violent. Rick, I know you follow this very closely.
Please go by all means, sir. Yeah, David, one of the I think one of the ironies to our push towards Iran is that it's actually solidified the Iran accord in terms of the relationships that have been formed with between Israel and those southern Arab states. UAE, Saudi Arabia in particular, as we're seeing those relationships becoming more closer and closer, because quite honestly, they know they can't depend on us. Am I right in saying that, that in fact that the backlash in the Middle East is less reliance on the U.S. and hence more self reliance and tying those ties even closer together? Yeah, no, absolutely. You're right. There definitely is a desperate alliance of jilted lovers out there emerging. I once talked to an Indian diplomat.
He even called it that. The community of jilted lovers. It's all these nations that either chose to go more toward the American side in the last years, like India, or those that had special relationships, like Japan and Israel.
They felt tilted and they were desperate. The UAE and they're binding together. And I think this is a very positive thing that they're binding together. And I'm glad that they're beginning to carry the water of Western defense, the defense of Western civilization.
And that's a good thing. But at the end of the day, the moral and the morality and power of the United States cannot be replaced. And so the world ultimately depends on the return of American power.
I'm glad that this may be added to it and added to mention that we actually have functional real alliances that actually carry the water. But I'm nervous about ultimately the ability of the Western world to be secure and our way of life to be secure without the return of American power. There's two directions I'd like to go, but I'm going to go just with American power. Given the transitory nature of American power from administration to administration and the fact the left and the right in America do not agree about who our allies actually are, can America actually lead in the future?
Or are we just good to have you on our side when you're here? I mean, I'm trying to really figure out what this looks like a decade from now, because no matter who wins in 2024 and takes the office in 2025, won't the relationships have been, at least the trust in the relationships have been shattered? Yeah, you're so right.
I mean, it is a real question. I think the answer is you have to go back to the basics. It goes to the internal American question. As a civilization, it isn't just foreign policy that you see a radical shift back and forth with each election. Internally, our very sense of identity and who we are is, you know, you have an administration building it back, and then you have a following administration tearing it down. And, you know, we have to go back to the basics.
We have to retake the schools. We have to retake the churches and make people go to churches. Not make, but make it so that people go back to churches, make it so that people respect our history, learn our history, understand our values, where we came from, the Plato to NATO succession of Western thought. So we have to rebuild that because that foundation then creates consistency. When we come back, we're going to take a break here in just a minute, but when we come back, I'd like to talk in some specifics relative to Iran and their efforts towards becoming a nuclear power.
And there are many who believe, and I've said this, you and I, David, have talked about this in other times. I believe that Iran actually is already, they already have that. They already have that capability. It's a matter of how are they going to use it?
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Go to the sponsor page, click on the ALG link and you'll head directly over there and you can peruse the catalog. Our guest, David Wormser, we're talking about Middle East tensions, we're talking about Israel, anti-Semitism, a variety of topics. As we went into the break, I suggested that we might want to think a little bit about Iran, Turkey, and jihadi terrorism. David, we were talking, you and I and Rick in the break, but bring our audience in if you would, your thoughts with regards to Iran, Turkey. And Rick asked a very interesting question.
I don't know, Rick, do you want to ask that and then we'll run from there? The NATO question and alignments. Given Turkey's desire to reset up the Ottoman Empire, can we in fact, should they retain their membership in NATO? And I would argue they should not because the fact is they no longer have NATO's interests at heart, they have the interest of empire.
But David, so what do you think? Can they remain in NATO? And what about the relationship between them and Iran? Is that sustainable or is that heading for trouble between those two nations?
Well no, I think you're right on the first part, on both parts really. Regarding the first part, the civilizational direction of Turkey right now is hostility to the West, hostility to everything the West stands for. And NATO, if it means anything, at this point is sort of a residual military structure manifesting Western interests against Russia, etc. So they really don't belong there and they're using their position in NATO both to shut down critique and criticism, but second of all, also to give themselves a role in Europe that is very dangerous, they're very destabilizing in Europe and European politics because of the large Muslim population. They very aggressively funded radical movements in those populations throughout Europe. So you will see pro-Turkish structures everywhere you go in every European city that is radicalizing the Muslims of those cities. So this is a great strategic threat. You can't have a nation that poses a strategic threat to the West be part of the alliance that is symbolizing the West. So absolutely, I think that we have to consider seriously the removal of NATO. I'm not sure what the mechanism is for that.
I'm not sure there is really a real mechanism for it. But anyway, we have to really think about that. The larger question about Iran and Turkey, you know, at the end of the day, they hate each other. It goes back to the very foundations of Iran's identity and Turkey. And it isn't just the Sunni-Shiite thing, it's also how modern Iran came to be.
It was a reaction to Turkey and there was actually a bunch of Turks who did it. So in the end they're going to fight each other, they're going to be bitter enemies to each other. However, they are right now focused on what is the most important threat to their civilizational challenge to the West, which is American power.
And the alliances that are residual in the region of American power, Israel, the UAE, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia. So Turkey uses its relationship with Qatar to get a lot of money to fund these radical activities and to fund itself and to stay afloat, which is tricky. Turkey is economically collapsing.
And it poses a very grave threat, therefore. So I think we have to really seriously re-examine the role of Turkey. It is bent on undoing Christian and Western civilization, and it's manifest by the pride with which Erdogan took the Hagia Sophia church, which was turned into a mosque under the Ottomans, and then under Ataturk was turned into a museum and de-religiousified, I don't know the right word there, but he re-turned it into a mosque, and it was very much an in-your-face to the Christian world to do that. And it was deliberately done that way, to say that he is ascendant as the grand new caliph of Islam, he is ascendant.
That's the symbolism of what he's doing. Well, I think the other side to that is the Armenian genocide that continues that no one talks about. We talk about it at Save the Persecuted Christians, but there is a direct assault on Armenian settlers in the southern part of Turkey, and many of whom are beaten and their women taken and put into slavery and so forth, and there's little or nothing that they are able to do, even though they are not attempting to pose any form of threat whatsoever to the Turkish government, David. You know, anybody who is not a Muslim is endangered by Erdogan. Over the last year, the Indian government has arrested a whole slew of Turkish agents funded by the religious ministry in Ankara, in Turkey. Not only in Kashmir and the Muslim provinces all the way up north, but throughout India, trying to radicalize India's 200 million strong Muslim population, to try to create a civil war, a Hindu-Muslim civil war in India. This is catastrophic strategically for the West, and it's hostile to that, and destabilizing to the highest level by Erdogan to do that.
So wherever you turn, whether it's Jerusalem, whether it's Stockholm, or whether it's New Delhi, you're going to find Erdogan's tentacles out there trying to radicalize Muslims to destabilize the situation against non-Muslims. It's a universal principle of Turkish foreign policy right now. David, one of the interesting things about that is that, at least it seems to me, Turkey has a tremendous amount of ties to the Uighur population in China, and yet they give China a free pass to enslave the Uighurs. And yet they're doing China's business by trying to destabilize India, because India is the offset to China in terms of Western world Asian exports. And so many respects, India and China are the two games in their far east. And everyone's doing the Chinese dirty business by trying to destabilize it. How is he spreading the needle with China that way, when China's also interested in Iran? Well, China's using its leverage.
I mean, one is just sheer survival. Erdogan is a basket case in terms of actual governance. So his country's falling apart.
The economy is falling apart, the currency is dropping, I'd say through the floor, it's way through the floor, it's below the basement at this point. It's stunning how bad the Turkish economy is performing right now. The same with the Iranian economy. It's bankrupt. It's completely bankrupt under sanctions, which unfortunately may well be lifted in the next few weeks by the West, because there was an appeasement of the Iranian regime to try to bring them back to the nuclear deal, which wasn't controlling Iran's nuclear program anyway.
But that's a different story. The bottom line is that China is using its money and its influence economically to re-stabilize these countries in exchange for which it gives India the strategic foothold in the Middle East to put India in a vice. And that's ultimately what this is all about. It's a great strategic threat to the West. And India, of course, is China's greatest threat because it is the only nation that's anywhere near close to the size relative to population and so on. Although, and I spend a lot of time with India, it is also a severely impoverished area as well in many respects because of its caste system.
But yeah, there's huge conflicts between the Hindus and the Muslims and so on. All right, we're out of time. David Wormser, you can find him at Center for Security Policy.
Rick Manning, you can find him at CG Contributors at the Children's Generation radio page. Did you call evil good and good evil? Did you forsake my love for that of another, lying with the adulterer and setting up a new idol in your life? Have you defiled yourself through compromise and tolerance of that which I call an abomination? Have you innocent blood on your hands for the children murdered on your watch and the young ones perverted in their way by evil men, seeking their own comfort and reviling me?
No. At the end of the day, I want him to simply say the evidence is in. Well done, thou good and faithful servant. I love my God and I love his creation and I will go to my grave telling the world that evil is evil and only God is good and Jesus came to save the world. That no matter the evil in the world, I will never give up and in spite of the hate, I will love in truth. God bless you all and may love remove the veil so you all might enter into his. Next time on Focus on the Family, Dr. Tony Evans explains what it means to have a kingdom marriage under God's authority and for his glory. He shares about maintaining oneness, the importance of having a servant's heart and how to rebuild a marriage relationship that's been fractured. God's wisdom for your marriage on the next Focus on the Family.
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