Did you know you can do your tithing and love offering right from your computer? Visit www.chosengenerationradio.com to support Chosen Generation and make a tax-deductible donation. Now, back to Chosen Generation with Pastor Greg. And welcome back to Chosen Generation Radio. I'm your host, Pastor Greg. Thanks so much for being here.
I know you have a choice in where you can listen each and every day, and I thank you so much for being here. Well, I am very, very honored and pleased to have my next guest with me. He is the former leader of the Freedom Caucus.
He is a former congressman, and he is the former chief of staff for the 45th president of the United States, Donald John Trump. I want to welcome Mark Meadows to the program. Mark, welcome. It is truly an honor and a pleasure to have you back, sir. Great to be back with you, obviously. It's so good when you take the message right to the American people, and it's really gratifying to know that the truth is getting out there, so thank you.
God bless you, and it's great to join you. Well, I appreciate you being here. You made a comment the other day about January 6th, and I'm just going to make a statement, and then I want to get into some conversation with you about your ten months and your tenure there with the president, but evidence keeps showing that the events of January 6th are not what mainstream media and the Democrats tried to sell the nation. Tom Fitton, in an Epoch Times story, has now revealed that he has evidence that Ashley Babbitt was shot, and it was an unjustifiable shooting.
Revolvers have done a deep dive. Members of Congress have reported on conditions of those being held without charges in D.C. being absolutely despicable. Yesterday, Steve Bannon was arrested, and Mark, in short, real quickly, and I know that you have some limits on what you can say, but what are your thoughts with regards to this continued activity by the Democrats to try to push the January 6th narrative, and to label all of us who support the 45th president, who are Christians, who are Bible-believing, God-fearing Americans, who love our country, love our Constitution, and somehow we're the enemy? Well, it's being portrayed that way.
I can tell you that serving President Donald Trump as his chief of staff was a great honor, and certainly it's an honor that continues to be something that I love to talk about. But when you look at the narrative being put forth, it's as if Donald Trump was actively engaging in the breach of security on January 6th, and that's just not the case. I've said that publicly that I'm not aware of anybody in the West Wing that had any advanced knowledge of what actually transpired, that was going to transpire, but yet we continue to see that this whole effort by the January 6th commission really is not one that's based with legislative intent.
You know, Congress is supposed to look at things from a legislative authority, and yet what they're doing is putting forth a lot of this, either trying to do an investigation that would rightly belong to the Department of Justice, or advance a political narrative that candidly is not going to make any legislative difference. And so that's the trouble that we see with it, without getting into too many specifics, that I'm not at liberty to talk about that, but I can say that America is being heard, and the great thing is your faith and my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is one that is sincere, and I just call out to him for wisdom, and certainly for protection, and hopefully that is something that our great founding fathers not only embraced, but enshrined for us to be able to practice in a real way. Well, Benjamin Franklin has said to them, you know, we have been delivered from the most powerful nation in the world, and it was daily prayers that gave us that victory. How is it, gentlemen, that we gather here and we forget the divine providence that gave us that victory, and how do we expect to be able to form a nation if we are not dependent upon him?
I know you and I talked about this briefly before, I talked with Dr. Peter Navarro about this, and Paula White as well, and David Brody. President Trump, in January of 2017, just after being sworn in, did an interview with David Brody wherein he said, America is dependent on its relationship with God, and as its president I have come to truly embrace that and understand that I can't do this job without him. So your words that you just spoke could not be truer.
I guess let's talk a little bit about that. How important was prayer and faith in the White House during the president's tenure there? Well, certainly it's not only important, but it's something that as a nation we need to embrace. President Trump was very keenly aware of so many people that came out to vote for him, vote for protection of religious liberties, vote for a president who ultimately, Donald Trump was probably the most pro-life president we've ever had in the history of our country, and that's saying something. And so it's a critical component of that, but it's not to be lost either in the fact that there were a lot of people that were not only praying for the 45th president of our great nation, but for the judges that he was going to nominate, for the positions he was willing to take, and he was willing to take real strong issues for life and for Israel and a number of things that are important to us as believers at great political peril.
I mean, in fact, many of his advisors were saying you shouldn't be talking about those things or shouldn't be taking as strong of a stand, and yet he knew that it was what America was founded on, and quite frankly that they needed an advocate, and they found it in Donald J. Trump. There was in the Rose Garden a very special ceremony where he brought forward those individuals that he had changed their sentences, individuals that he had looked at, what their sentences were, and pardoned them and things of that nature, and then he brought some individuals forward that were involved in a mentoring program to help individuals coming out of prison, and he made some statements about faith and so on, and those that were with him made statements too, and was involved in some very powerful prayers that took place in that Rose Garden. That was quite a historic moment in our modern-day view of policy, politics, and presidential tenures.
Well, it was done in such a way that was really deep and abiding. You mentioned Paula White. Obviously, the president relied very heavily on Paula White in terms of not just outreach to the evangelical community, but really in terms of that relationship, that spiritual relationship that he was able to have. She had essentially unfettered access to the president of the United States, but it was more important than that.
You mentioned the Rose Garden. The president took very keenly and personally and didn't delegate both pardons and the ability to have a second chance, and we see that certainly in spiritual realm, but he was looking at it in terms of a second chance, and he would make a phone call oftentimes to these people and say, Listen, I'm commuting your sentence. I'm giving you a pardon.
You're cleaner now than you've ever been, and boy, what a great story, because he was willing to do that. And for individuals that if you just looked at the merit of the argument and say, Well, perhaps you shouldn't go there. But that's what the redemptive power is all about. That's what forgiveness is all about.
And he was able to weigh into that. And you're right. Very powerful moment. I want to shift gears for just a minute and we'll talk more about it. We're going to take a break in about a minute.
But then when we come back, we'll talk even more about it. But he identified early on, you came in at a point when America was at a very high place. We were just absolutely doing fantastic in every sector. Unemployment was falling away.
Whether you were African or Hispanic or Asian or just white, it didn't matter. Everybody's unemployment was dropping. The economy was rising. America was taking back its position.
We had moved the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, all these positive things. And then not long after you came in, suddenly we got hit with the Wuhan virus. And President Trump was not afraid to call it what it was, the China virus, the CCP virus. And now everything that he said about that in the early days is coming out to be true. Your thoughts on that? Well, I cover that in the book, The Chief's Chief, where he's willing to actually go in and call it what it is and take China to task. And that's in spite of the fact that he had actually negotiated the trade deal with China. But he was willing to say that, listen, they are covering this up. They're our enemy. We need to hold them accountable.
And quite frankly, we're not seeing the same thing in the West Wing right now. He was willing to tackle it in a big way. And I look forward to telling you a little bit more about that after the break. You bet. We're going to do that.
We're going to come back. We're going to talk more about that. We're also going to talk a bit about what we've come to find out about Anthony Fauci and get Mark's thoughts with regards to that as well. Much more to come here on Children's Generation Radio.
Our guest is Mark Meadows. He's author, former chief of staff. It's Chief's Chief is the name of the book. And I really encourage you to get this book. It is just going to give you such an insight. And here's an account of it.
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God bless you. Welcome back to Gen Generation Radio where no topic is off limits, everything filtered through biblical glasses. My special guest Mark Meadows, author and former chief of staff for the 45th president of the United States, Donald John Trump. Mark, we were beginning to talk as we were going into that break about the president's response to this Wuhan virus and then I wanted also to get your thoughts with regards to so many of the revelations that have come out about Anthony Fauci and some of the things that he said that have been discovered were certainly not accurate if not just straight not true.
Share with me what you were beginning to talk about as we were going into the break, if you would please. I think probably the biggest thing for most people is Dr. Fauci became a household name because of the China virus and so he came in early on, actually was there with Dr. Birx before I even came in as chief of staff and I cover this, some in the chief's chief where you look at the positions of Dr. Fauci and the positions he took and they were not consistent and he wants to say, well, people are not paying attention to the science, they're not looking at the science and there's, you know, one particular thing that I remember with Dr. Fauci that has not been talked about is early on and this would have been, you know, in the first 60 days or so, he was writing a report. Now, a report that candidly that the task force had not asked him to do, that President Trump had not asked him to do, but he was writing this report generally to be negative about hydroxychloroquine and so I had this long, you know, dissertation that he had there, opened it up, started going through it and in fact checking and I said, you know, I said, Tony, you can't make some of these claims because they're inconsistent with the message that we have. For example, he was relying a whole lot on data that was coming from China when it was negative about hydroxychloroquine.
Sure. But relying on that same data when it was positive, he was trying to spin it one way when it supported his narrative as credible and then when it was against his narrative, he was spinning it as not credible. I said it's either credible or not. But here's the interesting thing, he talked early on how COVID had affected over 200 countries and he had this and I said, Doc, I said, you know, this is not accurate. He says, well, no, it's been peer reviewed.
I said, well, it's not been peer reviewed because it's not accurate. And he said, well, point to me something that's not accurate. So I opened it up and I said, you said that COVID is now in over 200 countries.
He says, that's correct. I said, well, one, we don't have any way of knowing that. But two, there's only 194 countries. So how could it be actually, you know, actually out there in 200 countries?
And so he took the point. But that's a little area, you know, I cover in the book where it's just these inconsistencies that are starting to come out, whether it's the origin of the COVID, you know, gain of function actually happening in a lab or not. We start to see the inconsistencies each and every day and Americans have had enough of it. Speaking of that, and that opens up kind of a little bit about, you know, the deep state issue. I had Bart Markowitz on last Monday and we got into talking about some of these indictments that the German investigation is beginning to bring forward. The Dushenko indictment, the Sussman indictment, the separation of Mark Elias from Perkins-Coy and what that might mean.
Can you share anything from your perspective with regards to that? Because obviously that whole Russia, Russia, Russia thing was a cloud that hung over the president relative to trying to hinder him throughout his entire presidency. Well, without a doubt. And some of the people that are now intimately involved in the January 6th Commission, you know, they were out each and every week espousing what they knew. And I want to emphasize this, what they knew was not the truth. And so to hear some of now say, well, I had no way of knowing that this was actually coming from Democrat operatives.
Yes, they did. Because I can tell you, it is Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows and Devin Nunes working in different ways when we were members of Congress that kept exposing this. But here's what we will see more and more of. It is indeed a deep state, but it was really a Democrat offer off research kind of strategy that is even it included people within the government. But the genesis of it was really more from, in my opinion, the Clinton campaign and other names that I think will continue to come out. Sadly, a lot of the people within the government, I don't believe will ever be held accountable, but it will be exposed more and more. And there was and there is a deep state counter pushback that was every single day pushing back on Donald Trump because he was willing to give the power back to the American people where I belong. And they wanted it kept in the executive branch or at Foggy Bottom in the State Department or the Department of Defense, wherever they wanted to keep that power.
Well, and I and I and I do have hope. I have a friend of mine who was involved actually in putting together an investigation that I know that you had some role in helping to commission that has that has a lot of that truth. And the fact of the matter that's going to come out is, is that the Department of Justice, certain members of Congress and so forth were handed this report with all the irrefutable evidence that was necessary to create the indictments.
And they haven't done that. And it's going to come out that they knew because, as you said, they knew because you were a part of commissioning the report that was given to them that shows all the evidence that these people should be indicted. And and many of them criminally charged. And it's interesting. I'm I'm hoping to doubt.
Yeah. And I'm hopeful. Well, and I am.
I am right here. Here's the thing is the truth always prevails. And we know that it even in Washington, D.C., where a lot of this what they were accusing Donald Trump of was actually what they were doing themselves. And and and the sad part about it is there was more Russia collusion between Hillary Clinton's campaign and Russians than there ever was between Donald Trump and Russia. And yet we had this fake dossier that was was weaponized. And I believe that 100 percent of its origin came from Democrats who took rumors and tried to make it back and and actually get the FBI and DOJ to act on.
You know, when when it when it comes out that the guys are sitting around the bar, you know, having beers and adding to the narrative of the dossier, I mean, that that should outrage every American, because if it can happen to one American, it can happen to every American. And, you know, Andy, Andy. Yeah.
And that rolls us back to January six. Folks, get the book Chief Chief's Chief is the name of the book Chief's Chief by Mark Meadows. Folks, it is it is a book you really need to read. And I encourage you to get it. We'll be back with more Children Generation Radio coming up right after this brief break. Our number two straight ahead. Don't miss a minute of it and get that book again.
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