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And how appropriate that we've been having some focus on the CCP and what they have done relative to my next guest. He's General Counsel of the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy, a fellow at the National Security Institute at George Mason University, Antonin Scalia Law School. He's co-author of the forthcoming non-fiction, The Hidden Nazi, available for pre-order right now on Amazon. And I encourage you, if you would, to use Smile Amazon and choose Faith Harvest Church. That's Smile Amazon.
Choose Faith Harvest Church as your charity and get the book, The Hidden Nazi. And it's my pleasure to welcome Dean Reuter to the program. Dean, welcome. So good to have you. Thanks for being here. Well, it's tremendous to be on with you, Pastor Greg.
Thank you so much for the time. Absolutely. Absolutely. Wow. It's shocking to me, but I guess, right? We've got, you know, Pocom China Joe sitting in the White House right now, you know, making agreements with the Communist Chinese Party to basically subterfuge America, its constitution, and our constitutional republic. So I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that there was something of this nature, an agreement made with this monster. Talk to me about this hidden figure that was responsible, as I understand it, essentially for Auschwitz.
That's, unfortunately, Pastor Greg, that's right. And one quick amendment to your opening. Thank you for the generous introduction. The book is out, so it's not pre-ordering now. You can actually go on Amazon, as you suggested, or go to a bookstore.
It's in hardback, it's in paperback, it's in Audible, and it's on Kindle. But the story focuses around our hunt, me and a couple other researchers and my co-authors, for Hans Kamler, who is The Hidden Nazi. That's where the title of the book gets its name. Hans Kamler, even for the SS, Pastor Greg, if you can imagine, was a despicable, notorious man. There were other leaders in the SS. We dug up some quotes when they're talking about Hans Kamler. They described him as the worst person I ever knew.
And these are quotes from the people who themselves were murderers, ideologues, in a time of war. And they thought Hans Kamler was the bad guy. Kamler was an architect and an engineer. And he actually picked out Auschwitz as the site for the killing camp, the big killing camp, and the slave labor camp. He designed that camp, Pastor, the meets and bounds of it, as an architect and an engineer. He laid out the infrastructure for the camp. Some of it already existed, but he doubled it in size, and then redoubled it in size again. And then he put the gas chambers and the ovens in there, contracted with outside contractors to install the killing apparatus of the Holocaust.
And he was not nearly done there. He then duplicated that work at camps throughout the Reich. Not every concentration camp was a killing camp. Many of them were slave labor camps, but many of them were killing camps. And he played a fundamental, undeniable role in the Holocaust. And nobody's ever revealed this before the book The Hidden Nazi. This is just, you know, and part of the story of this that I think is most troubling was the agreement that our nation made with him, rather than allowing the full extent of the prosecution of the law. Can you speak to that for a moment, please?
Yeah, happy to do so. Conventional history, when we started in on this project, would record that Hans Kävler, as declared by a German court, died by his own hand in May of 1945 as the war ended. He committed suicide, according to conventional history. But we thought that story just doesn't feel right to us, not given what we'd already learned about the man and the breadth of power. He went on from the Holocaust to rule over Germany's slave labor camps, and then to rule over all of Germany's secret weapons, including not just their nuclear research, not just the Messerschmitt jets, the first jets ever deployed in wartime, but also the German missiles, the V-1 and the V-2 rockets. And people probably have heard the name, your listeners have heard the name, Wernher von Braun, the Nazi rocket scientists who came to the United States at the end of the war. Everybody thought the Americans just stumbled on the rocket team, that we were lucky to get them and keep them out of the hands of the Nazis. But we showed that it was Hans Kävler in this deal we call the Kävler deal. He delivered the rocket team to the United States. We can show that he was in control of the rocket team, but we can also show that he moved them twice late in the war to keep them out of the hands of the Soviets and really park them right in front of the advancing American army.
So he delivered them. The problem with our whole thesis, Pastor Greg, was that, well, if he made this secret deal with the Americans, why did he commit suicide at the end of the war? And that's one of the big reveals in the hidden office. He didn't actually commit suicide.
We have the documents, the U.S. records that show he was in custody of the U.S. Army long after his supposed suicide. It's really atrocious. It ties in with our emphasis this morning on understanding the CCP, but I think it also speaks to just a general understanding of how this kind of evil has made its way into our country as well, Dean, in so many ways. This is truly an act of lawlessness. This isn't an act of contrition of a repentant individual, at least to what we can understand. This is the act of an individual who maintained a level of power and an American entity that seemed willing to trade morality and trade the rule of law and justice. You know, I don't know, somewhere in there, the tradeoff just, you know, at the end of the day, there seems to be a line that was crossed here, to the best of my understanding.
Do you see it similarly or what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, it is a very complicated calculation, Greg, I would say. I'm slow, I would say, to second guess the deal the Americans on the ground made because, you know, fully a year or a year and a half before the war was over, everyone, including the Germans, knew that Germany was going to lose that war. And everyone also knew, on all sides, all the Allies, including the Russians, knew that the Germans had these superior missiles and that whoever got the rocket team was going to have a 10-year head start in the Cold War.
And that was the calculation. The Russians were going to be an existential threat to the United States and on the ground, in the moment, it was decided that we've got to do everything we can to get that rocket team and bring them to the United States. And at the same time, keep them out of the hands of the Russians. Those were the stakes.
Oh yeah, I understood. You're very correct that it's a complicated moral calculation and in doing our research, I found that there were basically, in Germany, there were two sorts of teams operating in post-war Germany. One was in charge of rounding up scientists and other assets and things that could be used by the United States and the Western Allies against the Soviets.
Sort of a war reparations kind of philosophy. And the other batch of teams were people rounding up the war criminals. And Kamler was both. I mean, he had something to offer, but he was among the worst of the war criminals. He literally has the blood of millions of people on his hands.
And it is astonishing that he got off scot-free. Well, you know, I think about, you know, from a biblical course, I think about, you know, God and the Canaanites, right? I mean, what did the Lord tell Saul about, you know, what he needed to do in wiping them out? And of course, he didn't. And that came back, you know, in many ways.
What ended up becoming Purim and the story of Esther was a descendant of that, you know, kingship. But I think about, you know, Patton, right? I mean, what did Patton tell them? He said, let me go in and set the Russian people free. Let me go in and end communism right here, right now. I'm there. I'm at the border.
I can see them. I can stop this evil right here, right now in its tracks and set the Russian people free. And of course, you know, Roosevelt was a buddy with Stalin and he said no.
Yeah. I mean, there were some really complicated as well calculations being made by the big three, by Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill at the end of the war and the way Europe was divided up and, you know, what became the Iron Curtain and what became communist territory, communist controlled territory and free territory. And it is astonishing how close we could have come to defeating communism in that moment. The Russians were a mighty army, but they were just as war weary as the Western allies. Well, and they were not fortified. I mean, they didn't have the fortification at that border. There was a path. There was a path that Patton saw to potential victory and Churchill knew how evil Stalin was.
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And don't forget you can get more chosen generation at www.chosengenerationradio.com So much for being here i know you have a choice and where you can listen each and every day and thank you for keeping it tuned here well folks i'm very pleased to have as my guest dean now is it is it Reuter or Reuter how do you like to pronunciate that sir it's Reuter like Reuter okay i was thinking that i just want to make sure i said it right dean Reuter author attorney of the hidden nazi the story of general Hans Komler you probably never heard of this guy you probably never heard this story before that's why they call him the hidden nazi and we were getting into you know kind of the the mechanisms of this situation some of the background on this and Roosevelt and Stalin and Churchill and of course Churchill in his writing said i didn't trust Stalin he felt that Stalin was potentially another Hitler in the making of sorts Roosevelt leaned in that direction and we talked a little bit about my friend Patrick wood and the break and some of those things and you had talked about that but let's get back to Hans Komler because he lived out some life and it didn't seem as though justice found him but what what what happened to him and and what will listeners uh glean from your book the hidden nazi that can be applicable to where we sit today yeah um great question uh a lot to unpack there but the ultimate fate of camler you know according to conventional history he committed suicide but we have documents that prove uh and we footnote them and we even put a couple of them in the book that show that he didn't die at the end of the war he surrendered to the u.s army uh in what we call the camler deal where he delivered a scientist to us to try and save his own life and the united states had him in custody at the end of the war in central austria where we were interrogating him about missing nazi funds millions of marks uh in central germany where we were interrogating him about stragglers scientists that hadn't uh been scooped up yet by the americans he was helping identify them and then we even had him in american custody in nuremberg on the eve of the nuremberg trials and most likely giving testimony giving supporting testimony uh for the upcoming prosecution of the 24 nazis in the hierarchy he should have been in the docks he should have been a defendant right uh he had he had more blood on his hands than anybody else in the talk that includes uh you know some notorious names that everybody's heard about gory and gobles and spear woman who was tried in absentia but after that i mean we we can prove we had him through march of 1946 so 10 months after the war and then in the file that we've uncovered there's an extradition request from great britain saying hey give us hans camler he bombed london and south hampton ruthlessly with these missiles and we want to we want him and there's a note in the file saying we don't object to the extradition on the american side and then poof it's like hans camler never existed there's not another shred of paper out there on him so there is a chance there is a chance that hans camler was you know taken out back um and executed in an unofficial way uh there's a chance he was given over to great britain and they executed him summarily or had a had a closed trial um our best get our best guess though uh based on some other cases we also uncovered is that he actually went to south america with the help of the united states but that's there's a little bit of speculation involved in that and we're very clear in the book where we're we're talking about proven fact things that we can demonstrate and and then some things that we have to sort of guess that well and and you know one of the things that we talked about you know in the break too is is the is the morality of all of this and you know when you go back and you look at uh you know communism communism is a is a is a godless mindset a godless thought process and you can see you know we look at the 60s as as a demarcation place where we say this is where america turned and there's a lot to unpack relative to that i believe but i also believe that my friend patrick wood and and his friend mr sutton in the trilateral commission parts one and two and in his book technocracy rising and there are other writers out there that i believe speak to this as well would say that a lot of these issues actually started back in the late 1800s and and so you know the reason why you had a woodrow wilson that introduced us to the league of nations if you will right the the the beginning of of this united nations which is an albatross i believe around our necks today started in right after world war one uh and and in in many respects might have well created world war ii um so there's there's a lot to unpack there dean there is i mean i think it's very fair to draw a straight line between world war one and world war ii and and see them as one together as one big moment in history i also think you know woodrow wilson you're right about the league of nations you're right about um you know their perspectives on international law i think woodrow wilson can also be saddled with um the invention of the modern administrative state everybody every one of your listeners knows about these multiple uh alphabet agencies those were popularized initially in the era and by woodrow wilson who said we need learned experts uh to staff administrative agencies who can make the fine decisions about how america ought to be run and that's antithetical to our constitution which requires decision makers to be elected officials and to be in the uh executive branch responsible to elected officials right now we have too many people making too many key decisions that are really not accountable to the people that's a big fundamental problem with the administrative state that you and i were discussing just a couple minutes ago well and and it also speaks to john adams statement you know that that our uh constitution is fit only for a moral people uh i wrote about this and included some uh context from my friend george barna and his research in a blog post that i put out yesterday asking for some financial assistance here for uh for our radio program and our and our ministry in india but also trying to give uh you know directional information about this battle that we are in and why it truly is in my estimation dean uh a a spiritual war but when when i say that i'm i'm not um i i'm not over simplifying it and saying that there aren't any boots on the ground issues if if that makes sense it does it does um i keep finding myself coming back to the word complicated um i do i mean one of my other big concerns is is the way the younger i'm going to sound like an old codger here but the way the younger generation is being brought up one you know without a knowledge of history and i keep hearing you refer to history in ways that tell me you you've been brought up you've been brought up with an understanding of history and i i really worry about basic education in this country when it comes to history um the number of kids that don't know what uh world war two was about or don't know holocaust or don't recognize the word Auschwitz i mean it's stunning the number of people that uh don't know the three branches of government some pretty basic stuff um but what they do seem to be absorbing is a whole new philosophy on freedom of expression and liberty where uh you know my right to express myself ends if somebody is offended and that's not the world i was brought up with and that's not a world that's recognizable uh to the founders or to anybody probably of our generation well and that is really trouble because our founders had a biblical worldview let me give you a couple of percentages that are going to speak to exactly what you just said according to these recent polls 71 percent consider feelings experienced or the input of friends and family as their most trusted sources of moral guidance think about how powerful that statement is when 71 percent of the population is believing that and this one 52 percent claim that determining moral truth is up to each individual there are no moral absolutes that apply to everyone all the time i want you to stop and think about those two things and you'll find that information at my website at jodongenerationradio.com it's it's the blog after supporting patriot mobile and i want you to really read that and think about at the end of the day when i stand before my god i do not want him to ask me what did you do with the world that i sent my son to die for and redeem how did you fight the good fight to share the good news and keep evil in check how did you shine your light and be a beacon of truth in the darkness did you shrink back in fear when they demanded you change my message did you call evil good and good evil did you forsake my love for that of another lying with the adulterer and setting up a new idol in your life have you defiled yourself through compromise and tolerance of that which i call an abomination have you innocent blood on your hands for the children murdered on your watch and the young ones perverted in their way by evil men seeking their own comfort and reviling me no at the end of the day i want him to simply say the evidence is in well done thou good and faithful servant i love my god and i love his creation and i will go to my grave telling the world that evil is evil and only god is good and jesus came to save the world that no matter the evil in the world i will never give up and in spite of the hate i will love in truth god bless you all and may love remove the veil so you all might enter into his room
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