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Our constitutional attorney expert, you can find him at CG contributors. David Shostokis is with us. David, welcome. Good to have you. Great to be with you, Greg.
I know you heard a little of the dinging of my door closing because I literally actually just walked out of court. Yeah. To be with you. Well, I appreciate it and I appreciate you being with me.
So we've got two things we want to talk about. Of course, last week for three days, Mike Lindell had his cyber symposium and I think a lot of people misunderstood maybe what it was that he was wanting to get accomplished there, which was to basically for 72 hours live show people and give people the opportunity to see. And of course, they were live from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., 10 p.m. each day. But to actually see as the forensic audit was done, so there was an official record of what they were seeing and so that people could peer in and see it as well.
And I heard people say, well, you know, they just needed like, you know, five minutes. No, no, no. You're not understanding, in my opinion, not understanding the purpose of the symposium, which was to give people a seat in the room as they peel back the layers of evidence.
Did you see it that way? Well, I was not able to spend as much time with Lindell's presentation and the symposium as I might have liked because I was actually in Georgia, not a good portion of that time, with about 300 lawyers from around the country who were looking at the legal aspects of things that went wrong with 2020 and what can be done going forward from a legal standpoint, because, of course, there's the forensic situation and the digital investigations, as Mr. Lindell was pointing out. But there's, you know, there's a lot of things on a lot of fronts going on in terms of certainly you need to do things that are looking back towards 2020 and seeing what we can do to either avoid it or correct it. But there's also, but if you're going to do that, you also have to have a legal structure in place to do those things. So it was really, really important. There was a huge conference out in Georgia with, like I said, 300 lawyers, 300 lawyers there.
We didn't spend a whole lot of time on the kinds of things that Mr. Lindell did. We spent more time on defending the elections next year. So you can't, this thing is going on on so many fronts, you know. Building the defenses for what's to come so that what happened in 2020 doesn't happen again, we hope.
That's exactly right. You know, the legal structures are in place to defend, you know, we used to have election day, right? We don't have election day anymore.
We have the mail-in voting period, and then we have the early voting periods, then we have election day, and then we have the post-election activities. All those things have legal components to them. And everybody has to be kind of on their guard and protecting things. Every time they go about trying to make voting more convenient, they make voting less secure because they always open up another channel for people to look at.
Or another channel for some bad guys, for some bad actors to insert themselves. Well, another means, yeah, another means for people to cheat. Right.
Yeah, that's exactly right. And so it's important, you know, to do things that I've, we're both in 2016 and 2020, I was part of what they call EDO, Election Day Operations. That's a long ago ancient name for what now is the election period. And most of those have been established for national campaigns. And now they're doing things to have these EDO operations, if you will, in the states.
I'm working with, I'm working with a number of folks here to establish a rapid response legal team for state operations here in Illinois. And I think those are things that people need to know is that there's not just the ongoing 2020 contest, which Lindell's activities are related to. But there's also the taking the lessons from 2020 and where the vulnerabilities were and trying to put your finger in those, in the dike in those vulnerable areas. And so it's really, really important.
And it's so hardening to see that there was 300 plus lawyers all over the country coming to learn and see how to put the fingers in the dikes and see to it that the most fundamental, the very most fundamental aspect of the existence of this nation, the consent of the government gets protected. Can I insert for just a second, if you don't mind, because I think the other piece to this where we, the people, are so critically important in this process, we're supposed to be the ones that are watching those polls. We're supposed to be the ones that are monitoring what's actually going on. So we should be the ones that are counting those votes. And that's one of the ways that we maintain the integrity of this as well.
And just very quickly, I go back to, and this is why, folks, I talk about this so much. Our founders said again, these incredible constitutional liberties that we have, the freedom and the ability to vote so that we have people that are in office that are there by our consent. They represent us. They're not lords. They're not kings.
It's not a monarchy. Throw that out and stop applying that with your Romans 13 lies and deception, because the fact of the matter is, is that God made us in America, the sovereigns, but without God and morality, David, to make sure that the people, that we are a nation of principle morals and integrity. That's why that's so important, in my opinion. Your opinion certainly is right. On the other hand, the founders knew the basic failings of human nature. Yes. And part of the situation of building adversarial systems into both the court and the election process is that it's part and parcel of putting checks and balances not only within the government, but within the larger society in terms of putting checks and balances on power. And so, like you said, it's up to the citizens to monitor and it's up to citizens on both teams to monitor each other.
Yes. Because actually there are there is human failing. And if you don't keep an eye on each other, then somebody is going to get the upper hand and they're going to take advantage of it. And that's something that the founders understood when they put in these various competing sources of power and the ultimate competing source of power is an election. And we can't let the feds, we can't turn this over to federal. We've got to maintain this at the local and state level. We have to. Absolutely.
No, that's absolutely correct. And that's, again, why there were so many folks at the conference that I was attending. I did watch what I could of the Lindell presentations.
And certainly I think that some of the stuff that they were talking about revealed was fantastic. My experience, unfortunately, is that the public's eyes glaze over when you start talking about computers and packets of packets of data and things like that. These are these are things that are beyond beyond the experience of regular most ordinary average folks, including the lawyers, frankly.
One of the reasons that this all takes so long is lawyers and judges don't understand all the stuff that these guys are doing. And, you know, peeling back part of that part of that shade, if you will, to try and bring an understanding to the general population about what's going on electronically and digitally, I think is an important, important contribution. On the other hand, one of the things I walked away with from that three day conference that I was at is we have made this stuff unnecessarily complex.
You know, a piece of paper and a machine that counts it is pretty much all we should need. But unfortunately, now the computers are in control because because there's been this push to do everything digitally. And so therefore, you're no longer punching a piece of paper. You're punching a screen. And and because you're punching a screen, whoever controls that screen is now who controls the vote. Not you, not not you who push the buttons, but the person who is able to manipulate and control the screen. And that's what Lindell was trying to get people to understand and then show the background of where it's going wrong, where the manipulations are taking place.
That's the scary part. All right. We've given as much as we can about that.
I want to set the stage. And then when we come back, we'll talk even more about it because I know we're going to be getting ready to go into a break here in about a minute and a half. But this Second Amendment case that the Supreme Court has agreed to hear, they agreed to hear it back in April. It's going to be heard in the fall, which is the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association and its plaintiffs, Robert Nash and Brandon Koch versus Keith Corlett in his official capacity as the superintendent of New York State Police. And some people might think, David, that, well, you know, this is this is a New York case and this is just going to be New York. But this is at the Supreme Court of the United States and it directly impacts what concealed carry is and what the qualifications are going to be to be able to conceal carry and could then be applied across the country.
Am I am I overstating that or is that correct? No, that's absolutely correct. And even now, although the court will be underpinning the argument in in October, even now, as we speak, the what they call the amicus curiae, the briefs of interested parties are starting to come in on that case. And that case will, in fact, have an effect nationally, not just in New York, because the New York law has this strange, strange situation where you actually have to prove that you need to have a weapon.
You have to have what they call proper cause in New York. And this is, of course, that is that's not a right. If you need permission, it's not a right. You know, it's right. It's a privilege.
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My guest David Shostakovich. You can find David at CG contributors on ChosenGenerationRadio.com. Go to ChosenGenerationRadio.com under CG contributors. You'll head over to his website and be sure and pick up constitutional sound bites and also his book on the Declaration of Independence and he has a brand new program as well at American Media, correct?
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Pete's on twice a day with a lot of great information as well. All right, David, let's get into this Second Amendment thing again and please run down for our audience why and how this case will have an influence than even, for example, here in Texas or in the other. I think there's 30 states now that have a form of constitutional carry, but this could have implications for those states as well when it comes to concealed carry.
Yes, that's entirely accurate. The issue is an old standing New York state law actually that requires people if they want to get a concealed carry license or a public carry license is they have to demonstrate to the police commissioners and various other authorities in New York that they have proper cause to be carrying. There's a palpable threat to their lives that they have danger or perhaps they say they transport money for their business and they need to protect it. There's a variety of things by which they have to prove that there's a reason for them to carry as opposed to that it's their right to carry. And this is the problem with the New York law and there's about eight states that have similar laws to that, but the natural outgrowth of this recent Supreme Court jurisprudence, if you will, runs from the Washington, D.C. versus Howard and the Otis McDonald versus the city of Chicago, which essentially indicates that the Second Amendment right to bear arms is, in fact, a personal right derived from the right to self-defense. And if that's the case, you should not ever have to prove to the government that you have a need to carry a gun because it's your right to carry a gun.
And certainly even in states that have concealed theory licensing schemes like here in Illinois, you still have to get what they call a FOIA card, an owner's identification card, and then you need to get a concealed theory license separate and apart from that. When you need to do those things, those things are asking the government for permission to exercise their right. That would be like saying, well, I have to prove that I have to go to church on Sunday. You know, I have to prove that I have a reason to publish a newspaper.
You know, those things are those things are right. And so you don't need permission from the government to execute those rights. And any any of these restrictions on your Second Amendment right means that it's not a right.
It's a it's a privilege. And so the Supreme Court taking up this case bodes well to this becoming actually recognized as a right the way Judge Thomas would like to see it. And where it's not a second class right, but rather a right deserving of the of its presence in the pool of rights of the Second Amendment. Right. Of the protections guaranteed in the Second Amendment. That being said, gosh, OK, so in 10 seconds, I guess my question really quickly is this. Does that will that then bode well across the nation for people to be able to say, OK, the Supreme Court just said under the Second Amendment, I have the right to conceal carry and you can't be requiring a license of me?
Now, there's a real possibility that that would be that would come out or that limitations on the issuance of licenses or the requirements of licenses would develop. OK, very good. David, you soak has been our guest. We're back with more changes. I'm hungry.
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