Matt Slick Live

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Welcome to the show. It is me, Matt Slick. If you want to give me a call on this nice Monday, you can, and the number is 877-207-2276.

You can also email me info at karm.org, info at karm.org. It is put in the subject line, radio comment, radio question, and we can get to them. Hope you all had a good weekend. It was an interesting weekend. And where were you when, uh, it was assassination temp on Trump. So I know that people want to talk about it.

And, um, I've read different stuff and maybe people have other bits of information. From what I understand, the left had tried to remove Trump's, um, secret service detail. They, that was one thing they tried to do. They had minimized it, so there wasn't enough people to cover. And, uh, someone sent me a comment that one of the shooters who knocked, who, you know, killed the assassin, uh, he said that he was there and they had his, had the bad guy in sights for three minutes and the upper chain, whoever it was in control said, don't shoot him. There's going to be some heads rolling all over this. And, uh, it was pretty bad.

So why is this occurring? Well, I'm going to just say something here. I know it's going to really upset a lot of people, the democratic party and the far left are brainwashed, uh, people who don't, uh, love the country, who are leftist, they're woke, uh, they are our dangers to our country. I believe the democratic party is, uh, is likened to a terrorist organization. And, uh, I have in front of me, a timeline of the democratic party may get into it.

Uh, I think I think I will just jump into it right now. I'm just going to read this stuff for the democratic party. It's founded on the, on the platform of, uh, individual rights, state sovereignty, and pro-slavery that was 1829.

In 1830, the democratic president, Andrew Jackson creates the Indian removal act, which forced indigenous people to leave their homeland trail of fears. Now, why am I bringing up the Democrats? Because it's a democratic party who has been speaking evil of Trump all the time. And the leftist actors talked about killing them.

Other people talked about killing him, uh, doing evil to him, violence to him. The left has, uh, been known to say that, uh, violence is a legitimate form of expression. The left are the ones who let the cities burn, uh, and the BLM crap, stupidity, all the stuff, the democratic party. Now, the guy who shot Trump was a 20 year old and he was a registered Republican from what I understand, but he donated money to the democratic party.

So whatever the facts are there, that's what that is. Um, I hope that Trump gets in. Uh, I don't know too much bad about him.

I hope that, uh, he makes it and I hope that he cleans house. Uh, and I think that's why the left is so afraid of him because, uh, he's gonna do things, can do a lot of stuff. Let's get on with the, uh, the democratic party stuff. And if you're a Christian, I don't understand how you could be a Democrat. And I'm going to say this again. If you're a Christian, a real Christian, I do not understand how you could be a Democrat.

And I'm going to read why. Read what the democratic party is about. 1957 in this case of Scott versus Sanford, the court ruled that slaves aren't citizens. Their property, the seven justices voting in favor were Democrats. The two who dissented were Republicans.

Uh, I'm skipping a lot of stuff. Uh, up to 1865 Republicans passed the 13th amendment, which permanently outlawed slavery. 1865 Democrats established black codes, a state and local statute intended to marginalize blacks and keep them in indentured servitude, poll taxes and literary tests.

Literacy tests prevented them from voting. Uh, also in 1865 Confederate veterans founded the KKK, uh, to oppose Republican party's integration of blacks. Its first grand wizard was a Democrat named, uh, Nathan Bedford Forrest. In 1868, the KKK grand wizard is honored at the Democrat national convention.

1868. 1869 reconstruction ended Democrats are, uh, reestablished, or they reestablished white supremacy in the South with Jim Crow laws that legalized segregation that would take another a hundred years to abolish. Um, let's see, uh, 1911 Democrat president Woodrow Wilson stuffs his cabinet with Dixiecrats, powerful Southern Democrats, and set back the civil rights, uh, movement for decades. In 1918, the KKK is reestablished, targeting immigrants, Jews, and Catholics, in addition to blacks. 1939, a Democrat and KKK, a cover girl, Margaret Sanger, uh, created the Negro project and, uh, planned parenthood to call the black population. In 1964, president Johnson successfully read an ad titled Confessions of a Republican. Uh, Democrats learned that by accusing Republicans of racism, they can gain political power, and 1964, again, the Republican controlled Congress passes the 1964 civil rights act as an extension of the Republicans.

57 in 1960 civil rights act, Democrats, senators, filibustered the bill for a record 75 days. They wanted to stop it. Now there's more, um, I need to update this, but, uh, uh, how, and plus it's a democratic party that is pro homosexual and pro abortion, and it's a democratic party that is pro homosexual and pro abortion. How could any Christian true Christian ever, uh, support the democratic party? Now I'm not saying the Republic party is much better, but how could you be a Democrat and, uh, people say, well, don't mix Democrat or politics with religion. Where's the, say that in the Bible, you know, are we going to just, uh, count out to the, um, the secularists who say, don't get religion involved in things.

Of course we need to, we need to know what righteousness is and we need to stand on truth. And the left, uh, has been promoting violence against people on the right. And I just saw a, um, uh, another, I got it on, on calm.org forward slash persecution, I think is where it is.

Let me see if I got it. I updated some stuff on that. I see that forwards to it.

If it doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah. Um, and I have articles and stuff where Christians are, have been attacked, uh, in Canada, they're proposing a legislation that would imprison Christians for posting religious opinions, uh, deemed hate speech, um, in Nigeria is going on. Uh, and I got a whole bunch of stuff about United States. Um, anyway, there's a whole bunch of stuff going on. And, uh, if you have things on Christian persecution and woke, uh, oppression and LGBTQ, uh, the alphabet mob oppression, they send them to me at info at calm.org, I can make a list.

I can go through some stuff, start doing commentaries on these things. But, um, look, ladies and gentlemen, if you're a Christian, uh, you need to be praying for our country. And if you're a real Christian, you need to get out of the democratic party, maybe even out of Republican party.

I don't know, but, um, you can't support a, a, uh, party that is, is anti-Christian. You can't do that and you shouldn't be doing that in this thing. You shouldn't be doing that. And if you don't like it, you don't want me to sit, talk like that.

Turn the channel, go listen to somebody that'll tickle your ears. I don't care. But the issue here is truth and what we Christians need to be doing. So someone said that Trump acknowledged God is the only reason he's still alive. Immediately afterwards, two people have told me that so far and, uh, okay.

I, I, I, I'm glad for that. Um, and, uh, one person said they were inches away from civil war. Now I'm not saying I want civil war, but the, the left and the leftist media, what it does is it promotes things that divide the country and it promotes hatred of the conservatives and it's the, the party, the left, I will just say, uh, it reminds me of when I've researched communism. That, uh, the, I think it was Stalin who said they're useful idiots. What they like to do is get the people to, uh, believe in leftist agendas, leftist policies, and blame the right so they can cause division and then all kinds of division and disharmony going on. Then the people with, uh, not so much power could go in and seize power.

There's all kinds of stuff and I'm not a historian. I'd like to have one on the air who could talk about this stuff, who knows what's going on, but there's just so much to be able to talk about. And, uh, it's bad news.

So, um, I just hope that things, uh, just get better and better and better. Let's get to Steve from Scotland. Hey Steve, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, can you hear me okay?

Yes, I can. Glad you're calling. So, uh, yeah, I know you help out with, you do some stuff for car. I really appreciate it too, and glad you're calling brother. Thank you very much.

Yeah, I do the timestamps. Um, yeah, I'm just blessed to be able to help you guys in any way that I can. And this is the way that I can.

So please the Lord. Okay. So I got a question or something. I do have a question. Uh, my question is, um, on a recent show, can't remember which one, but that's irrelevant on a recent show with someone, you mentioned that you could speak about the NESB translation for 10 minutes.

Now that picked my ears up. My primary Bible is the NPGV, but really love to hear you talking about the NESB for 10 minutes. So, well, I've got about 10 minutes, but, uh, let's see if I have the new King James and my list of stuff.

Yes, I do. So for example, what I'm going to do is go to Romans 5 18. It's the one verse I immediately go to with any translation to see what they're doing with it, because I know the verse very well in the Greek and I know what it says and the theology behind it is critical. I want to know if a translation is critical. I want to know if a translation is letting the bias get into the translation. The NESB, in my opinion, is the, uh, the correct translation.

And I can go on and talk about that for, for a while. That's why it was pumped up in Romans 5 18. But the NESB is the correct translation. It says, so it has through one transgression, their resulted condemnation to all men's even so through one act of righteousness, their resulted justification of life to all men. The King, the new King James says, therefore is through one man's offense, judgment came to all men resulting in condemnation, even so through one man's righteous act, the free gift came to all men resulting in justification of life. That's not what the Bible says.

It's not what it says at all. And, uh, so it actually says in the Greek is, um, is so then through one transgression, condemnation to all men, uh, even so through one act of righteousness, justification of life to all men. So you have two sentences, a and B and neither, and they're joined by a conjunction, even so. And so you have said it's a and sentence B, and here's a critical thing.

I'll explain this is why this is so critical. I'll go through it slowly for people to understand the theology that's buried here is ignored and covered up by the, the King James and the new King James and, um, the ESV. And I'm explaining why this is so critical, but it would, it actually says is so then through one transgression, condemnation to all men. That's sentence a, even so that sentence B starting even so, or in like manner. So we have two sentences. I call it sentence a and sentence B joined by conjunction sentence. Sentence a governs sentence B and I'll explain what I mean here, why this is so important through one transgression, condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness, justification of life to all men. So it says, even so, or in like manner, it's saying the sentence B is reflecting sentence a, that's what it's saying. That means whatever you do with sentence A, you gotta do a sentence B. We'll come back from the break.

I'll continue with that last thought and I'll explain what's going on and why the other translations mess it up badly. So please hold on. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. Steve, are you still there? Yes, sir. Okay.

All right. So to continue and why this is so important, um, a mistake has been made by the translators because of what the text actually says. Sentence a governs sentence B you interpret and translate sentence B in light of sentence A. And what sentence A teaches is through one transgression, condemnation to all men. So we've got to put a verb in there. And even so through, when at the righteousness justification of life to all men, you got to put a verb in there too, for us in English. Well, since sentence B is a reflection of sentence A, the implication is that the same verb goes in. So whatever verb you put in A, you got to put in B because sentence A and sentence B are virtually identical because it says to one transgression, sentence A, to one act of righteousness, sentence B, condemnation to all men, sentence A, justification of life to all men, sentence B.

So you can see the parallel. What Paul is doing is saying that his transgression resulted in something, and so did Jesus' sacrifice. That's what he's getting at. So what the NASB translators have done is put the verb result because Adam's sin resulted in condemnation to all men. And we know that's a fact because the very next verse says for as through one man's disobedience to many were made sin. So they put in that translation, that verb, because that's what it teaches, because that's the truth.

Then even so, that means now what do you do with the second? Well, you got to put the same verb in there. So they do, but it, it, the implication is universalism, but Mark 3 29, Matthew 25, 41, 46, and Revelation 20, 10, 14, 11, teach that the word of God is universal. 10, 14, 11, teach that people are damned. So they know that people are damned and justification means you're saved, but it says, therefore it resulted justification of life to all men. Well, that can't be, so they change the translation. I'll explain why it is what it says, but universalism is still false.

I'll explain what the answer is. So what they did was they let sentence B govern sentence A. So since you can't have the theological idea that everybody's going to be justified, then what they did is they said, for example, the ESV, they let sentence B govern sentence A so that the one act of righteousness leads to justification, doesn't say it happened, resulted, it's not definite, it leads to it.

So now they can put the word lead up in sentence A. Therefore, as one trespassed led to condemnation to all men, so it softens it because they don't want to support and rightfully so, they don't want to support universalism, but they made a mistake because they didn't let the word of God speak. They spoke for the word of God. That's a mistake. The new King James in sentence B says through one man's righteous act, the free gift came, but the free gift is not there.

Not there. So they butcher the translation. The RSV says, when men's trespass led to condemnation, and then in the sentence B righteous leads to acquittal. The LEB says through one trespass came condemnation to all men, so through one righteous deed came justification of life. They understand the principle that what goes in sentence A has got to be in sentence B, but they let sentence B govern sentence A, and it goes on and on. Now the NIV says just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification. Then it says that brings life to all men.

So if it's brought to you, it doesn't mean it occurs, so they softened it there. This goes on and on, and this is a horrible problem with the translations. That's why I only go with the NASB, and I'll explain what's really going on here and why what Paul's teaching is biblical, of course, and what is to be understood. But the translators, when I go to a Bible, I immediately go to Romans 5 18. I see what they did, and if they let sentence B govern sentence A, then they're not letting the word of God speak. How much more of that principle is going to go into their translation? Therefore, I don't trust the other translations.

That's just my opinion. So what's going on when it says the result of justification of life to all men? Well, when you go through and you start reading, and I'll cut to the chase here pretty quickly, the next verse is interesting. For as through one man's disobedience, the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one, the many will be made righteous.

There goes Paul doing it again. In 18, he says all, and in 19, he says many, and each one is used in different context or different way. When you go to 1 Corinthians 15 22, okay? For as in Adam, all die, so also in Christ, all will be made alive. Well, to be made alive is only the believers, because the only ones who are made alive are those who have died to sin, died to themselves, died with Christ, Romans 6, 6, Romans 6, 8, and so because of that, then we understand that when it says all we made alive, the all can't be every individual, the all there has to be a limited group, it has to be, and when you see Romans 5, 18, Romans 5, 19, where Paul uses the same word in two different senses and stuff, he does this, you can see he does it here in 1 Corinthians 15, 22. Furthermore, when you find out that there's a pattern in scripture that says, it says, we have died with Christ, Romans 6, 6, we're crucified with Christ, Romans 6, 8, and so when did we die with Christ? People say, oh, you believe, that's not true. See, Romans 6, 6 says, our old self was crucified, got it reversed, our old self was crucified with him, our old self was crucified with him, Galatians 2, 20, I've been crucified with Christ.

All right, so when did that occur? Well, it occurred 2,000 years ago, that's when he was crucified, but the heretical theories that are going on from pulpists today in America, and I don't know where you are, but I mean, in Scotland, if it's happening, that the whole idea is that the atoning work of Christ is made valid and made efficacious and made powerful by what you do, when you decide to believe it, when you decide to appropriate it to your own life by your wisdom and faith, then it becomes real. And that's theological guvna, that's a Polish word, it's not a nice word.

And so it just doesn't work. The crucifixion of Christ accomplished what it accomplished when Jesus did it, because Colossians 2, 14 says that he nailed the certificate of debt, the sin debt, and canceled it at the cross. It's not canceled when you believe, it's canceled when he did this on the cross. This is a theological perspective. Most people don't know how to answer.

They don't know what it is, and they've stopped their thinking, they've stopped their research, and they've got stuck in a form of Arminianism and semi-Pelagianism and libertarian free will, and that's as far as their theological acumen allows them to go. So here's the thing, the Bible says that Romans 6, 6 were crucified with Christ, and Romans 6, 8, we died with Christ. When did that happen?

When he died, when he was crucified. So we only find, I'm almost done, I'll show you something after the break. I'll show you something after the break, and then you'll see why the NASB's got it right, and the others got it wrong, and why the NASB's got it wrong, and why it's so significant. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned, folks. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Stephen, and then what we'll do is close up this discussion, which is very important theologically. Are you still there, Steve? I am indeed.

Okay. All right, so one point that I try and make with people is don't assume that you know what God's word says. We'll do word studies, and look how God uses words in different contexts. That's where you learn a great deal. Most people never hear the concept of doing that, and never will do it.

I teach people how to do this, but here's the thing. Whenever we find any place in scripture where it says that we've died to sin, died to the law, died to ourselves, et cetera, whenever we find that, then we know that it's only the believers, okay? Only the Christians have died with Christ, et cetera. Well, the reason this is so critical is there's a verse in 2 Corinthians 5.14, and I'll read it, and it's really important to understand because what it says there is we have to understand something.

Okay, first of all, here's a principle. We have died to sin. We've died with Christ. You have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, Colossians 2.20 and 21. So whenever we have a statement that says we've died in relation to Christ with Christ, then it's only the believers.

That's a fact. Check out this verse, 2 Corinthians 5.14. For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all. Therefore, all died. If he died for all, people say, well, that means every individual who ever lived, then every individual who ever lived died. But that can't be because you only find that pattern of Scripture in reference to the saved people. So if that's the case, he died for all, and therefore all died, it's required that we understand it in a different sense, that the word all here is referring not to every individual, but those for whom Christ came.

That's what's going on there. So Romans 5.18 is critical because what it's saying is, therefore the result of the justification of life to all men. Now we know who that all is. It's the all that were given to him by God the Father. Because Jesus says in John 6.37, all that the Father gives me will come to me. And the one who come to me is certain will not cast out. This is the will of my Father who sent me, that all that he's given me I lose none, but raise it up on the last day. That's the theology that the tip of the iceberg of Romans 5.18 reveals when you start digging.

Without that translation, I never would have found this. Okay? Right. Yeah. That's critical. Yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, it is.

It's super important. It is. All right. That's why. All right, man. What was I going to say before I go? So the NASB, would you recommend the 95 version over the 2020 version?

I haven't checked the 2020 enough to be able to tell you, but I just used the 95, and I checked the 2020 in Romans 5.18, it was fine. So I just need to buy it, get it on my program, where I use all the time, and then do research on it and make sure it's good. But, you know, it should be fine. Okay.

All right, man. Well, this has been a great, great help. I'm glad I called in.

I've had more than my 10 minutes. Thank you so much. Thanks for taking my call first.

And I think I need to go and buy a NASB 95. Okay. All right, man. God bless. Okay. God bless, brother. All right. Okay. Well, that's Steve from Scotland.

I know I gave a lot of information there, folks, but I take my theology and the Bible very seriously. Let's get to Apollo from Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Welcome. You are on the air. Matt, how you doing? Doing all right. Hanging in there, man.

What do you got, buddy? I listened to a Father's Day message a while back, and the preacher was saying that God has always been a Father. And so I'm thinking, I'm trying to get some clarity on that. If God, the Father, and Jesus, we know that they're eternal. They've always been one along with the Holy Spirit. But I'm just trying to figure out how is it that Jesus has been designated the Son of God since they both have always existed. Okay. So what we're talking about here is the nature of the Trinity.

Now, I'm going to slow down because this, I want everybody to hear this. The Trinity is one being, and the one being is divinely simple. The divine simplicity of God is that His divine nature is one substance, not parts. God is one substance. So if you were to hold in your hand a glass sphere, it's pure glass, that is one substance. It's simple.

That's God and His nature. And His nature, His substance, His essence is divinely simple. And what that simple substance is, is triune in its nature.

People say, well, how's that possible? Well, we can get into the philosophy of unity and diversity inside of an object. Concrete and abstract objects won't get into all that.

Here's the thing. The Trinitarian being, we know that the three persons have a perichordic relationship. Perichoresis means the inter-dwelling, because they're one substance.

And they share all the same attributes because they're all the same substance. Their distinction occurs when we observe their relationship to one another. The Father begets, the Son is begotten, the Holy Spirit proceeds. So we see, among other things, their relationship to each other. So when God reveals Himself to us in creation, we see the relationship of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Only the Son became incarnate. The Father and Son send, well, as we say, let's get to the filioque, the Holy Spirit gets to the filioque, won't get into that, the Holy Spirit. And He proceeds from the Father. So there's differences in their relationship to each other. But yet, their essence is the same.

Okay, now having laid that down, God the Father is eternal, as is God the Son, because their relationship is eternal. So we don't want to look at something what's called temporal priority. We want to look at logical priority. So let me explain what that is.

Here's an illustration. A light bulb. You flip a switch, electricity goes into the light bulb, and five seconds later, light comes on in the light bulb. That's an example of temporal priority. Temporal priority, the electricity has to be there for a period of time before the light comes on. Temporal priority. Logical priority is what we want to focus on.

Logical priority is this. When the electricity is in the light bulb, the light is also there. They both occur at the same time. When electricity is there, light is also there at the same time. But we would say that electricity is the cause of light, not light being the cause of electricity. We would then say that the electricity is logically prior, not temporally prior, because it is the cause of the other, but they occur at the same time. Take the logical priority idea and put it into the Trinity, where the Father eternally would send the Son.

It's a logical priority, not a temporal priority. It's always been the case that the Father would send the Son, and so they have a distinction in relationship, where you have a sender and a one sent. This is revealed to us in the Father-Son relationship, where the Father begets the Son, and the Son is the one begotten. Since he's begotten in the physical form with gender, we then see the Father-Son relationship that is then encoded in the scriptures. This is how we get the eternal begottenness of the Son, and yet also is eternal in nature. It's not a temporal procession or priority, it's a logical one, which means it's eternally the same from forever ago, it's just showing distinction of relationship, and sending and things like that.

Make sense? I'm just a little bit confused, because from a human standpoint, when we think of Father and Son, we think of family, and of course, there has to be the idea of mother too, but we know there is no mother involved. So I'm trying to figure out why God would use that, for us, why would he use the term Son, knowing that it might confuse us, you know, in terms of what we see as a family. Yes, that's true. Now, I grew up in Southern California most of my life, and I used to go out on the waves, and I'd send them to talk to grimies, and sometimes I'd get hydro-coughing, and I'd go craving grinds afterwards, surf talk, which means what it means in its context.

This term Son of God in the context meant equality with God in relationship, and I'll show you that after the break. Please hold on, we'll be right back, folks, after these messages. Please stay tuned. Okay. one or the other. That's how God created us, male and female. So which one's he gonna be? Well, we could choose one. He chose to identify the male gender and Jesus became male.

Okay? The Word became flesh dwelt among us. And so, with that, there's a relationship to the father, Father-Son, not Mother-Son.

There's a theological significance to this, called Federal friendship. So Adam and Eve were in the garden and Eve sinned first, she gave the fruit to Adam. Then Adam ate and he sinned after she did.

But Romans 5-12 says sin entered the world through one man, Adam. So he was the federal head, he was the representative. One of the genders is going to be the representative. The reason it's the male is because one of the genders was going to be the one that God chose, he chose the male. And Jesus is our federal head who redeems us, he represents us. As I went over the first segment of this show. And so it's just wise male and why it works that way and that's what it is. And the term in the context of Christ, the term Son of God means he's equal to God.

That's Romans, John 5-18. Okay? Yes. I did a little bit of research on it, trying to get to the bottom of it. But I don't claim to be any kind of expert on that at all.

You know, that's why I'm asking you. But I found that there was a couple of schools of thought on that. And some people saying that Jesus became the Son of God when he was born into the world.

In Bethlehem. But others saying no, he's always been the Son of God. Yes, because in the doctrine of the Trinity, the decree for this to occur was eternal. Therefore, the relationship of the Father and Son, the sender and the one sent has always been.

Therefore, his sonship in relation to the Father has always existed. Okay? Yeah. Okay. That helps me quite a bit. Well, good. I'm glad. Okay? I appreciate it.

If you go to my website, you can look up ontological trinity and economic trinity. Okay. Okay. Sounds good.

Just look up economic trinity on my website and it will explain the relationship aspect more. You can go through it. Okay? Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay, brother.

No, I gave you a lot to think about, but that's just biblical theology. Okay? That's fine. I appreciate that. Thank you. All right, man. God bless. All right.

Oh, sorry. We've got to cut him off. Hey, do you want to give me a call? We have three open lines. 8772072276. Alberto, welcome. You're on the air.

Yeah, I'm actually, how are you doing? My question is, you know, when the Bill Gates and all the Davos, Switzerland, they said their plan to decrease the population of the earth, the population. So I agree with them 100% because we should start with them first.

Wait a minute. We should get rid of billionaires? Yes, they want to depopulate the earth. So we'll start with Bill Gates. We'll start with all the Davos people. We'll start with all the terrorists and all the Mormons and Joe witnesses, all the criminals in crime, crime, the Communist Party.

We'll depopulate the earth to them first. How do you decide who gets cut out? How do you decide? Well, the same way.

How did they stop? They got the power monetarily. But why can't we decide as people? We're free human beings, right?

Right. We have the choice to say, OK, you want to decide that we want to decide this. So we decide you go. We'll eliminate you from the population. Well, it's interesting. Yeah, I get it. But the problem with us deciding is that we're not the sovereign king. And so I think a better plan is to just make everybody Christian and teach them the Bible, take the word of God seriously.

I think I'd be better. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Well, we had another question to talk about the man earlier just now about the Trinity and all that. The Nicene Creed teaches that the eternal begotten God.

I didn't understand the last statement. The children of the begotten God? The Nicene Creed, that they teach the eternal begotten God. Jesus is eternal begotten God. At the top of my head, I don't know.

I mean, it might be the case. I just don't know. Because I was watching a, you know, on John, John, John, Akover show, they had one side, you know, those were the modern translation of Bible verses, the King James only. And then the guy, John Akover said, you know, the word of the pastors on the King James. When you talk about about the easy one, eliminate the it's okay to believe that Jesus is going to be gotten.

We got the word we got in the King James. But when he mentioned about that, the Creed says that Jesus is eternal begotten God. So he doesn't believe that Jesus can become begotten like at the beginning.

Yeah, I mean, they've gotten. Yeah, that's because he doesn't understand. He doesn't understand the Bible's theology behind. A lot of people, what they'll do is they read something, they decide what it means, and then they stop thinking.

And we have a lot of problems because of that. They need to actually trust learned theologians who've really studied this in depth. And then compare what those theologians say against the word of God. But God's given the body of Christ teachers for a reason.

Mm hmm. Yeah, I heard a message of enemy him. He's a pastor.

And I tell him the same thing. God uses the commentaries and pastors and teachers or teachers. And he said, No, I got my teachers, the Holy Spirit. Yeah, he's a teacher of spirit. But God uses also men to teach us who God gifted them to teach. And God blessed them to use all kinds of commentary. They write, but he doesn't want to accept that he just so you think he's so spiritual that he won't rely on the Holy Spirit and not relying on the other men. I understand any of the scriptures. Ephesians 4 11 says he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers.

So as for the body Christ, so he needs to submit to Ephesians 4 11. Okay, just say, Hey, do you believe in or not? And maybe he doesn't want to do that. I don't know. But that seems to be the case. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The same way my brother sometimes I've talked to him too. He's been Christian a long time. But I tell him, but they think that because you sort of realize, I will say that Christ is our teacher. So we rely on the Holy Spirit. Yeah, he's the main teacher, but that doesn't mean that we totally throw away the people, the tools that God used us men to teach us. You know, the Bible and more than that, because these men dedicate their lives to the scriptures, right?

And more than that, right? There are a lot of really good Bible teachers out there, and it's worth studying. But a lot of people don't. They just go to church, they just trust whatever is being said, told, and that's, you know, that's okay, as long as the teacher's good. But how do you know?

Okay, yeah, exactly. A lot of people just go to church and you ask them about the certain simple basic things about the Bible, they don't even know it. Once you ask the church, how do you go to heaven? Only one person got it right. Out of all the people in the social hall, they all give me different answers.

If none of them were right, just one person got it right. Yeah, it could be that way. All right. Look okay? Yeah. There you go, man. All right, thank you. All right. God bless, talk to you later. All right, we've got a few minutes left on the show. There's nobody waiting, and I want to tell you what happened yesterday. Not a big deal, but I went to Walmart and did a little bit of shopping with my brother.

He's out from Arkansas. We went out and did a little bit of shopping, and we're going to get some chicken, and I got a chicken recipe that's killer good. And I hear my name being called, and so I ignored it the first time because I thought maybe somebody else is calling somebody else, whatever. And then I could hear Matt twice.

I look around. This guy's looking at me, and he goes, you're Matt Slick. And I said, yeah, and we get talking. I forgot his name. He's a really nice guy. He's worked on his Masters of Divinity and the whole bit.

He follows the podcasts and stuff. No big deal. Okay, fine. We got talking. And then to my left, I see a husband and wife walking, and I could tell by their dress, by their clothing that they were wearing, that they were religious. And it's not like Mennonites, but it was just, I could just, I could, you know. They walked by me, and I said, hey, what church do you go to? And this guy, he says, well, I go to the so-and-so Pentecostal blah, blah, blah church. I said, oh, it's oneness, right? And we just get talking for 15 minutes.

And so he was telling me how the Trinity is not true. He was very polite, you know, and I said, okay. And I said, well, what do you think about us getting together and talking? He goes, wait a minute.

What's your last name? So he goes, yeah, I hear you. And he goes, yeah, I know who you are. And he goes, but I'm not really interested in talking to you.

I said, well, why not? And we get talking about that. We ended up talking for another 10 minutes. I gave him my card. And I said, look, there's things about the Trinity you don't understand. And I said, and there's things about the oneness position when it comes to the person and work of Christ that are very, very important. And I opened up my phone because I have one of those folding phones. I opened it up and I got a Bible program running and I showed him an area of scripture in John 6, 37 through 40.

That's the oneness people have particular problems with. And I was showing stuff to him and he was, you know, it was interesting, not a big deal. And I said, what do you think about us getting together and talking sometimes? You know, he says, you know, and he goes, well, I don't think that's a good idea.

My pastor wouldn't want that. I said, let me get this straight. So your pastor is telling you not to talk to Trinitarians? He said, yeah. He said, if you were a pastor, what would you tell your congregation members if they said, one, this person wanted to talk to him? I said, go talk to him.

And he didn't expect that. I said, go talk to him. I said, I'd be glad to be there with you. Let's go. I'm not afraid of what others have to say. Let's go and let's check it out.

Let's teach. I said, why isn't your pastor willing to do that? And he didn't have anything to say at that point. But the thing is that oneness is false. And if you're a oneness listener, you deny the Trinity to believe in oneness. There's some serious problems with it.

And I gave him some of the time to get into them. But it's seriously bad. It's seriously problematic.

And I can point him out to if you want. But nevertheless, just one of those things that happens. And my wife, you know, we get home and my wife is in the kitchen. And my brother goes, yeah, he's witnessing. She goes, yeah, uh-huh. She's just used to it. That's what he does.

Always talking and witnessing and stuff like that and enjoy doing that. Just a little filler story. So look, hey, we're out of time. If you want to call me, you've got to wait until tomorrow. And by his grace, back on the air tomorrow, there is the music, Pray For Our Country. Because we as Christians need to be very much in prayer and active. Don't wait for a preacher or rapture to get out of here. We're going to stay. Let's take care of what God has given us to take care of. Hey, folks, out of here. God bless. Talk to you tomorrow. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.