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Memphis Temple Outreach — Part 5

Viewpoint on Mormonism / Bill McKeever
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May 10, 2019 4:11 am

Memphis Temple Outreach — Part 5

Viewpoint on Mormonism / Bill McKeever

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One member is examining the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from a biblical perspective viewpoint when Mormonism is sponsored by Mormonism research ministry since 1979 Mormonism research ministry has been dedicated to equipping the body of Christ with answers regarding the Christian faith in a manner that expresses gentleness and respect. And now, your host for today's viewpoint on Mormonism. Hope you are having a very pleasant Friday.

Welcome to this additional viewpoint on Mormonism.

I'm your host, Bill McKeever, founder and director Mormonism research ministry and with me today is Eric Johnson. My colleague at MRM we been talking about Eric's recent trip to Memphis Tennessee for the open house that was held for the Memphis Tennessee temple. We ended yesterday show Eric with you discussing the conversation that you had with an African-American woman sister Williams in a very nice lady you described and you would mention to her about Joseph Smith having 30 or 40 wives. At first she denied this, then you mentioned how it was actually stated in the gospel topics essay that is produced by the LDS church and to be found on their official website. and then she started backpedaling a little bit, as if maybe that was true. The point I was bringing out yesterday is how often we find Latter Day Saints tend to do that when they hear something they've never heard before.

That sounds a little odd to them. Bill immediately denied it and then when you present your case, they tend to see all maybe disguised on some homework on this and then they start to justify it and that is exactly what happened was sister Williams but one of the things that she brought up to you. Was this myth that has been circulating in the Mormon church for years that there were more women than there were men during the Pioneer era.

Ryan, the Saints had moved out to the territory of Gaza read it as it was known before became the state of Utah.

Let us put that myth to rest one more time and I'm going to use a book that was written by John a with so who was a Mormon apostle is called evidences and reconciliations. This is a three in one set on page 390 it says plural marriages been the subject of wide and frequent comment members of the church unfamiliar with its history and many nonmembers have set up fallacious reasons for the origin of the system of marriage among the Latter Day Saints. The most common of these conjectures is that the church through plural marriage sought to provide husbands for its large surplus of female members. The implied assumption in this theory that there have been more female than male members in the church is not supported by existing evidence on the contrary, with so said there seem always to have been more males than females in the church and then he goes on to give census statistics to verify what he just said so this is a common excuse that we have heard Mormons make the lady that you were talking to use that same excuse even though the history doesn't bear that out. Continuing your conversation with Sr. Williamson so we had talked about Joseph Smith and is wise we had talked about the priesthood change that took place in 1978. We weren't getting very far because she was very I would say non-receptive to what I had to say and's, but just had a bubbly personality and I said well I have an issue with the Jesus of Mormonism and that's when she just started rocking Jesus I love Jesus. There was this picture on the wall and she kept pointing to it. I want to kiss his feet and just tell me how much she loved Jesus and I said this without knowing for a fact that I said sister Williamson you are a former Baptist are you, and she says amen.

I was I was for many years until I joined this church and I found that to be the case with many of the people I talked with who were converts.

They were formally in a Christian church which I think is another reason why we are there to keep people out of the church to help them understand what those differences are and I think we should make it clear were not picking on Baptist just happens to be in this area of the country. There are a lot of Baptist in that part of Tennessee Methodists and Baptists are the two big denominations and a lot of Southern Baptist as well as Richard was so we talked about Jesus were going back and forth in, and I explained well this is the version the church has.

This is different than what you were taught when you are a Baptist and she was denying that and was panicking a little frustrated with me while a man walks up his name is Claudio RM Costa and it turns out I did know who he was but he came over when she motioned for him to come over Elder come over here she said so she asked him. She said Elder, who do we worship will before we go on with this answer, we should mention Claudio Costa is a 70 and I found out Jesus Christ of latter-day St. E's first quorum of the 70 didn't tell me his name he just said and he didn't have a name badge. He just said that he was from Brazil and I said hello what's your position in the church any kind of smile and he said well I'm a member of the first quorum of the 70. I said whoa because that's a big shot. He's one of the top 100 leaders in all of this religion and and I know about him, because he speaks regularly at general conference so he can understand sister Williamson's question what you mean.

Who do we worship so she kind of looked up at the picture, put her hand up. She says Elder, who do we worship and then kind of pointed at the fixer and he saw that any said why, of course, Jesus okay so now I have this man whose a first quorum of the 70, a man who has great reputation in this church. So we started talk about Jesus and I said I said Elder what I have heard in the in the video and in the presentation given to me by Mike I never really heard Jesus's name.

Once in passing in the churches name that's about all. Everything I heard and I quoted Jeffrey R. Holland.

His his quote in the video where he said that heaven would not be heaven without his wife and children and I talked about some of the things that Mike said and I never heard Jesus name. And I said sister Williamson's a little different because she wants to kiss Jesus's feet and that's not normally what I hear from people, especially if they were born in the covenant and he said oh no, we are very much worshipers of Jesus and we want to be with him for eternity.

So that started a conversation that happened. Probably for another 15 minutes before they came and got him so he could go to a lunch and I want to talk a little more about Costa but I wanted I want to throw in something before this show does and I want to mention that the next day I was out there on the street on the sidewalk and I had my sign sacred or so I'm standing out there in the morning. This would be Saturday morning and coming out of the door I saw Richard Floyd the man I mentioned yesterday he came almost running up to me and he said Eric Johnson. He's in. I had not given them my last name. By the way, and he use my full name and he says we know all about you. You were the center of attention yesterday in the leadership meeting and I said, what'd I do, because he says we did the research we found your website. We found your YouTube's so I kind of smiled and I said so what you think of my YouTube videos. He says I actually watched them and they were pretty good actually uses it and it was very nice about the whole thing. Then he said this and I think it was kind of a way to intimidate, but he said sister Williamson wants to thank you to and I said what you mean by that.

Well, the only other person who had been part of that conversation was Costa and nobody else was a part of that and apparently Costa was impressed and the other leaders were impressed and so they took her into the room the next day and they told her that she was having a special invitation to attend the dedication on May 5 Sunday, May 5.

The apostle Jeffrey Holland would be there and she would have a personal audience with Holland and to be able to attend this very special event.

Not everybody would get to attend and she's a static. He told me so she wants to thank you for talking to her and were rewarding her for being able to stand up to what you were telling her.

She didn't really stand up to what years she didn't refute what you were saying that she did not paid at first what you were saying she's being rewarded for that single a lot while nobody saw that conversation except for the last part where she's very much for the church as a black woman who is standing up no matter what.

I could show in this religious organization. It didn't faze her one bit. And so I can imagine that would excite her because she really wasn't an authority of any kind to be invited to have a special audience with Holland was the reward so she proved her loyalty.

Yes. And because she proved her loyalty.

She's going to be rewarded what Costa gave a very important talk. A few years ago concerning Ezra Taft Benson's 14 fundamentals and following the prophet.

I didn't ask him about that. I didn't talk about it. But as you and I were talking about it. We thought it might be good just to remind people of what he said it was not only cost of the spoken that general conference and this was October 2010, but another 70 by the name of Kevin R. Duncan gave a talk as well, in which he also made reference to the 14 fundamentals and following the prophet speech. This was a speech that Ezra Taft Benson gave back in 1981. It was a devotional speech it's been published.

Republished in a newer student manual called teachings of the living prophets student manual religion 333 and the copyright date on this is 2010 so this manual is still being used today, and it includes the 14 fundamentals of the prophet and let's just go over very briefly some of the points that are found in this and why we as evangelicals would find this troubling point number one in the fund.

14 fundamentals was this the prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything while so what we have here is, even though there may be lower offices in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Only the top office. The prophet's ear and rebel leader, the man known as the president of the church is allowed to speak for the Lord in every thing in everything. Now I've heard some Mormon apologists try to qualify that same one I don't really have authority to talk about other issues. That's not what Ezra Taft Benson said, and that's not what's printed on page 22 of this manual teachings of the living prophets student manual religion 333. It also mentions here the living prophet is more important to us in a dead prophet that was point number three. In his talk and the reason why want to skip to that and I want to get back to point number two is that is something that we find very odd as evangelicals because we don't tend to find a lot of contradictions between the prophets of the Bible you don't find Ezekiel. For instance, contradicting Jeremiah or Jeremiah contradicting Isaiah but yet in Mormonism we find that their leaders contradict on a number of occasions in hearing this point number three. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet. The question that we think is obvious is why would you even have to say that if they're all getting their information from the same source.

Unless of course you were admitting to us that the God of Mormonism, has a memory problem or he has to get new information. At some point in time in order to make a course correction but I want to bring your point number two living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works. That's not something we often hear from Latter Day Saints and talking to them on the streets inspect some of the more savvy Mormon apologists. I think their little uncomfortable with that. They would much rather we go back to the standard works and use that as the litmus test, but Ezra Taft Benson and point number two was saying no. The living prophet is more vital to us. Then the standard works.

We had a chance to talk to other people.

Throughout that week and I want to bring up one person that we did talk to. His name is Marcus African-American out on the street.

He came up and wanted to know why we were there and we presented to him. Information from the back page of the newspaper available on sacred or

Click on the PDF file. You can look at the article he looked at and in 20 minutes.

Bill after having been discipled for a year. He is about Ray to get baptized. He had been groomed to become a member of this church.

He said they never told me this and I like Sr. Williamson. He said this information is damnable. I am not joining this church so maybe that information didn't work with sister Williamson, but it did with Marcus. We encouraged him to go back to the Baptist Church where he came from and to tell the pastor he needed to be discipled and that is again one of the reasons why we minister at Temple open houses because there are a lot of people there who do not really know what Mormonism is teaching.

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