REShow: Joe Montana/Kurt Warner - Hour 2 (2-8-2023)

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Let's do it, man. I like this kid. I shouldn't like him in my day. And his story is so amazing that it needs to just be repeated. Earlier on the show, 49ers quarterback Trey Lance. Still to come, Pro Football Hall of Famer Joe Montana. Pro Football Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. WWE Superstar Seth Rollins.

Pro Football Hall of Famer Charles Woodson. And now it's Rich Eisen. Our number two of the Rich Eisen Show live on the Roku Channel. Free on all Roku devices. Select Samsung Smart TVs. Also free on the Roku app.

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We say hello to everybody listening on the Odyssey stream as well. We're here again in the downtown Phoenix Convention Center inside the Super Bowl. Experience getting set for Super Bowl 57. My colleague Kurt Warner is going to be stopping by in about 20 minutes time. He's calling the Super Bowl on Westwood One and also hanging with me for an absurd amount of time on NFL Network on Sunday for our pregame show leading up to kickoff between the Chiefs and the Eagles. Charles Woodson stopping by in hour number three.

WWE superstar Seth Rollins is stopping by in hour number three. But to kick off hour number two is football royalty to my left courtesy of Advance Auto Parts, four-time Super Bowl champ, pro football Hall of Famer Joe Montana. Good to see you, Joe. Great seeing you.

You are the man. I got to be honest with you. I mean, I do a lot of cool things professionally, but to be sitting here on this set at the Super Bowl looking at you with the Vince Lombardi trophy in between us, this is pretty much up there, man. It's pretty fun being here. Thanks for having us.

Of course. Always good to see you. Appreciate it. Right back at you as well. When you look at this trophy, what do you think of, Joe?

It's pretty neat. I got a few of those. Yes, you do.

Yes, you do. Just think back about the games. The games just were so much fun to be a part of.

You just wish everyone who played could have a chance to be in it and experience it, but there's nothing more fun than reaching that pinnacle at the end of the year. And we got a photograph of you right here that looks like the Detroit Silverdome to me. Is that where you...

I think so, yeah. How were you able to be cool under the pressure of the Super Bowl as much as you were, Joe? I think a lot of it just came from what Bill taught me from early days was preparation. I always explain it to younger kids and people that don't understand. You remember when you would go in to take a test in school that you hadn't really studied for? You remember how nervous you were? Yes, I do. Okay, so do you remember when you actually did some work and you went in to take another test? How comfortable you were.

It's the same type of thing. It's being prepared from every day at practice. He demanded perfection from everybody, but especially the quarterback position. I think he lived through the quarterback position for a lot of it.

So when you get to the game, you've seen almost everything. We spent a lot of time studying. Our plays were ridiculous.

What do you mean by that? We had so many plays with so many formations and you had to study. Back then you didn't have the ear thing, so we got signaled to play, not the formation.

If it had three formations, you had to know which formation Bill wanted. Our final total would have been 120-some pass plays and another 30-some runs. It was so funny because we lost to Washington in the championship game, so Bill was coaching the Pro Bowl that year. So we get there and on day one in the installation, Bill puts in 35 pass plays and Theismann turns to me and goes, wow, that's awesome, man. He put in all the pass plays and one day I go, you're crazy. He's going to install until Saturday.

For the Pro Bowl? Yeah. He goes, no way. I go, I'm telling you. I go, I'm not even studying this.

This is too easy. Sure enough, he installed all the way until Saturday. It was overbearing, but you learned to be prepared and how to study it and what to know. When you went to the game, it was just second nature.

So let me drill down even more. Who was at that Pro Bowl? Who was at your first Pro Bowl in Hawaii, Joe Montana? Give me that one because now we're all talking about, you know, flag football now. I remember the one Pro Bowl where I had Mike Quick and Chris Carter as wide receivers.

Insane. And both of them said the same thing to me. Hey, you get in trouble, just throw it my way. I go, I only have one ball, guys, so who should I throw to? But you had Jerry Rice.

You must have been used to somebody saying throw me the football. Well, you know what? Jerry's personality now is a lot different than when he was playing. What do you mean? He's just a lot more outgoing now. He's gotten more comfortable with everything. All that's over with. But you get in the game and Jerry, you open. Jerry, another play. Jerry, were you open? Yeah. You look at the film, there's three guys on him.

Okay, Jerry, you thought you said you were open. But he rarely said a word. When did you know he was extra special, Joe Montano? Well, in the beginning, the first couple of days of practice, he was just getting beat up. The balls were hitting him in the face, everything he could do.

He'll even admit it. But then all of a sudden, one day he catches a pass and turns and runs like 60 yards to the end zone. Wide receivers are supposed to catch the ball and turn around, run 10, 15 yards and come back. He scored a touchdown every time.

And we're like, no matter how far it was, and we're going, come on, you're the first pick, you're a rookie, you don't have to do this. But that was his nature. And then, so I always, when I talk about motivational people, that's how we practiced every day. So is it a coincidence that he's the NFL's all-time touchdown reception leader by a big number? No, because that's what he did every day. He scored touchdowns. And he just had a crazy knack. Wasn't the fastest guy, but he knew you're not going to catch him to get behind people. He ran, I don't know how many posts he ran. Like I said, if I'm playing Jerry Rice and I'm on the other side and I'm the defensive coordinator or head coach, my free safety, if Jerry Rice gets behind you as you're chasing him, just keep running.

Go right in the door, go change your clothes and go home. He said, don't let him behind you. But he had a knack for getting behind people, and you know, then it's easy. Of course, Joe Montana here on the Rich Eisen Show, and before we move on to the here and now, can you tell me the story, the famous story of you noticing John Candy in the crowd before that two-minute drill, the Bengals and your second Super Bowl win over against them? Yeah, it was kind of funny because, as you know, TV timeouts are forever in the Super Bowl. Tell me about it. So I had been to the sideline once, maybe even twice, and we were just standing out there waiting for the signal to start to play.

I think we had the ball in the eight. And Harris Barton was a people person, so we were free for dinner during the week, but, you know, practice and meetings and then come back after dinner and more meetings. So when he would come back from dinner, he was like a little kid.

He could not wait to tell you about all the celebrities he saw while he was at dinner. And so we were just standing there and between the tight end, his shoulder was framed John Candy. In the crowd? He was on the sideline. Oh, he was on the sideline. And so I was, and I sat there and I looked and I go, dang, I don't remember Harris saying he saw John Candy.

This is what you're thinking in the Super Bowl with minutes to go needing to drive down the field. So I walked over and said, hey, age, man, there's John Candy. And Harris stood like this for eight minutes, perfectly still. He was a little bit anal in that way. He would not move. He was like a little, I didn't do it to unwind him. I just thought he would appreciate seeing John Candy. But he started mumbling some things. Super Bowl, you want that candy?

What do you know how it's going to be? I don't know what he said completely. I understood a few words, but now he appreciates it now more than he did back then before we started the drive. Did you ever meet Candy or that was the only time? Yeah, no, I had met John a few years before that. My contract was up and he was one of the owners of the Toronto Argonauts. He was trying to get me to go to Canada. Come on! They just didn't have enough money. But if the price was right... I might have been wearing an Argonaut.

Yeah, you'd have a 55-yard line. They're like, I'll do that. So he legitimately said, hey... Yeah, we had a couple of meetings about it. You did! So this is real.

It wasn't just like, oh, by the way. No, no, no, no. Wow, I love that. So what do you think of Mahomes and Hertz seeing these two guys play the way they play in the Super Bowl? You know, both a little bit different, obviously. I mean, what can you say about Mahomes? Totally. He can do anything you want, however you want, when he's healthy. I hope he's healthy for Sunday. So we see a good game from that side of it. And Jalen's just having a tremendous year.

I mean, both throwing the ball, running the ball. Man, I just realized how big he is. That's a big fellow.

He is. What advice would you give him for his first Super Bowl, Joe? You know, what I always looked for in the game, no matter the Super Bowl or not, I wanted to get hit first. I wanted to get hit sometime early.

Please hit me early. Why? It just kind of gives you a different feel about the game. You're not looking for that hit. Well, it's a little bit different now because, well, for him it's probably a little bit better. They don't hit you as much. But I looked for the first one just to kind of get your mind right and get past that first.

Was there one particular first hit that leaps out at any of them? No, not really. Okay. It was just, you know, always got to do what they do. It's this week that bugs you the most, right? We had more fights during this week in practice. Really?

And we never wore pads. So just because you're ready to play a game in seven days, typically, right? And you get in that field and now you've got 14 days. Your body's ready, your mind's ready, and plus it's the Super Bowl on top of it. You want to get going. There's nothing better than once the whistle blows and the ball's kicked off. And then things change.

You don't hear the crowd as much. I mean, my concentration went more to the things that I had seen on film, what plays we were talking about, looking at... I still laugh when the guys are looking at... Their tablets?

The tablets. When I think about the New Orleans when we first used to go there, they had a string or a wire from way up top where they'd take photos and they'd put them on those metal clips and they'd slide them down, down to there so you're looking at these little black and white... That came off of a string from the Superdome? Yeah, the little tiny cable. They'd drop them down and they'd come down to you down on the field. It's a little different now. Yeah, I would say.

But yeah, you're constantly looking at things and going over what happened in the last series. But once the ball goes, he'll be ready to play. The most valuable play promotion for Super Bowl 57 courtesy of Advanced Auto Parts?

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Advancedautoparts.com to register on all of that. So before I let you go, I know you've chimed in on this subject matter, and I hope you don't mind me asking again. The next quarterback of the San Francisco 49ers, you would think to best move this team back to the Super Bowl is who, Joe? I know they say don't ever play there, but I'll preface it with the guy that just got hurt, if he was healthy, yeah, he'd probably be the guy. Purdy. Purdy. But he has an injury to his throwing elbow and ligament.

The medical world has advanced a lot. Rehab's done a lot different, gotten better. How soon he'll be back is unclear.

Who's won the most games for you? And he said he'll never play there. I don't know how you get rid of Jimmy. He fits that system a little bit better right now than Trey, I think. Trey runs a little bit different offensive style than Jimmy does, he's used to. Jimmy's a pocket guy.

Trey, he can play in the pocket, but he's more of a run-pass option kind of a player. I mean, you had a Super Bowl team. How do you get rid of a quarterback that got you to the Super Bowl once already until you know the other kid's ready? So you would keep Jimmy and see if Lance can get up to speed and compete?

Would you throw it out as a competition? I would say it is a competition, but if it's even close to being even, I would start with Jimmy so there's not as much pressure on Trey. Because whoever starts that season next year, there's going to be a lot of pressure if it's not pretty. He's expected to be the starter, but I just look at it, and I'll be the first one to say when Jimmy first got there I wasn't a big proponent of it. But he fits, and mainly you can't keep him healthy long enough. He hasn't been healthy yet, but he wins games. He's been winning games for him, and that team's loaded. I know Jimmy said that he's out, and they also said that Kyle said he doesn't envision any scenario in which Jimmy stays, but we've heard that song before.

Never say never. I just think it's hard to turn it over to, you know, Purdy got the job because everybody was hurt. I don't think that was expected of him, but I think they realized that he can play. He knows that system. He understands it. He understands he's got playmakers. He doesn't have to try to make a play. He doesn't have to try to make a play with his feet unless he's flushed out of the pocket. And he can make plays if he has to, but that's, I mean, look at the weapons he's got on offense. It's crazy.

It is. So, I'm just not, Trey may be closer to being ready, but he's lost a lot of time because he's been hurt, right? On top of that, the little time that he's played.

Jimmy's been hurt too, but he's come back and played well when he's come back. So, I don't think you can get rid of him. That's just my thought. I don't go around. Just so you know, I don't hang out down there.

I don't talk to those guys, but all I know is that's kind of the way I would look at it. Well, I asked. And thanks for coming, Joe Montana. My pleasure. Thank you for having me. Always great to see you.

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Appreciate it. That's Joe Montana, Pro Football Hall of Famer. Another Hall of Famer is chilling out in our Roku Channel Purple Room, as we're calling it here in the Convention Center.

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Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. And look who has just stopped by is my colleague and my friend. Long time at the NFL Network, NFL Media Group, and of course, a Super Bowl champion and a Hall of Famer, Kurt Warner. Good to see you again, sir.

Good to have you here. You are still the last guy to win the MVP of the playing season and then the MVP of the Super Bowl. That is hard to believe. Do you have any stats on how many have been there?

Because I feel like there's been a lot of MVPs that have won the MVP in the regular season and then gone to the Super Bowl. Yes, I was told there'd be no stats. I'm sorry, sir. I don't know the answer to that.

Brock, are you looking that up? But I feel like there's been a number of them. So I'm kind of surprised that it has been that long since one of those guys has found a way to break through and win a Super Bowl. But I think what I know as well as anybody is you get there and it's 60 minutes. And you've got to put together your best 60 minutes as a team to win a Super Bowl. Nothing has to do with how well you play during the regular season. But it is definitely a surprising stat to me. And I think it's going to be a challenge because, I mean, I think Patrick's going to win the MVP. As most people do.

But I think it's going to be a challenge for them to change that again. Nine, Rich. The answer is nine. Nine since 99 that have been in it.

Nine who have won the MVP and then made the Super Bowl but did not win the Super Bowl. I think I was probably the first one on that list, aren't I? So I did it last, but then I did it and won and lost. So I probably started that streak of nine. So you're on the streak as well. Yes, I'm part of the streak of nine. Brady's the one who created that streak then, is what you're saying. Because you were the MVP of that season. Yes, go figure that Brady created that streak, right?

Exactly. Some kind of Super Bowl streak. Yet another streak that he created. So this Lombardi Trophy that's in between us sitting here on our set here at the Super Bowl. When you look at this beautiful piece of Tiffany hardware, what do you think of Kurt Warner? Well, I mean, you think of hoisting it, right? From the time that you're seven or eight years old and you play the Super Bowl in your front yard every year, it's all based off of watching whoever's hoisting that trophy and standing up there on the podium and holding it in that one hand and celebrating. And so that's what I think about it.

It automatically takes me back to the 99 season and the season that we won it. And being able to get up there and kind of embrace it. I mean, you know how tough it is. You've got to wear gloves or whatever to even touch it now. So to have the moment where you can touch it and hold it up and it doesn't matter what fingerprints get on it or you can kiss it if you want, whatever you want to do. That's the first thing that comes back.

By the way, if you look over your shoulder, I believe you're hoisting it for the first time in your life right there, Kurt. That's the moment. And the other thing is you want every player to be able to experience that, right? That is it's a dream of all of ours and there's been so many great players that haven't had that moment.

But that's what I think about when we get to this point. And this, you know, every year and you have it here on your set is I think, man, I want somebody who hasn't had the opportunity to hoist that thing to get to hoist it. I want to see that moment because it is such a unique and special moment that we all dream of. Did you get to take it anywhere? Did you take it somewhere? No, I didn't get to drink milk out of it or anything like they do with the Stanley Cup. I think, didn't Kelsey, the last time he won this, shoot beers off? Like he had beers right down there? Really? Or was that a patriot who did that?

I don't know, Brockman? We didn't take it and throw it around on boats or anything like that either. We didn't do any of that stuff.

Or from boat to boat. No. So the actual one, nope, I just got to kind of hold it that night. But they do give us a replica.

Oh, they do? Yeah, they gave us all replicas of it. So I do have one at my house. So you're going to bring it to Game Day Morning on Sunday? Do you need me to bring it?

You were just talking about this is your home Super Bowl. I can bring it. Anything else you want me to bring?

I got some other trophies I could bring. Sandwiches, it's eight and a half hours. Sandwiches, all right. Okay, I could probably do that. Bring something. I don't know.

Whatever you need. For those last couple hours when I go up and eat the hot food, I can leave some sandwiches for you guys? Hey.

You got to mess with him a little bit. Kurt Warner going to call Super Bowl 57 for Westwood One and abandon the NFL Network Game Day Morning crew about two-thirds of the way through eight and a half hours. Don't worry, we'll leave. I know you hold it down. You leave a lot on for us. I'm not worried about you guys at all.

We'll close up shop there. Kurt Warner here on the Rich Eisen Show here at the Super Bowl in Arizona. So the key to this game, what do you got for me? I mean, you are the grinder of tape, of all grinders of tape. I'm sure you have looked at everything. You were at the NFC Championship game. Yeah, I mean, there's so many different things.

You know, that's kind of what I do all week is kind of dive into the other areas that people aren't talking about. But, I mean, if we're talking about the key to this game, to me it's the trenches. As much as I want to say it's the quarterbacks, because I think we have two great quarterbacks, two guys. I thought Jalen should have been the MVP before he got hurt.

I think Patrick will win it now. You know, so I want to talk about them. But I believe this is the most dominant team in the National Football League in both trenches. Not just one side or the other, but defensive line, defensive front, offensive line. I think Philly is the best team that we have in the National Football League. They eviscerated that trench in Philadelphia against San Francisco. I know so much is being made about, well, you know, who did Philadelphia beat?

I said that that was going to be the number one troll TV, sports TV storyline coming in and I'm hearing it more and more. But, you know, Brock Purdy was half of himself when he came back in after Josh Johnson. But they knocked him out, both of them out. They were in the backfield over and over again. You know, I break down tape and, you know, there's times where there's wide open receivers running somewhere and, you know, we always want to say, like, just find that wide open guy. But, you know, there's three guys in the quarterback's lap, you know, when he's trying to do that because there's pressure from everywhere. You were saying Ayuk was open.

I was listening to the broadcast on the way home. Ayuk was open on the play when Purdy got knocked down. Yeah, would have been a huge play, maybe even a touchdown on that play. But, yeah, I mean, you got, and it's not just one guy. I think that's the thing that I always look at in these games, too, is how many different ways can a team beat you?

How many different guys can beat you? You know, so the offensive line of the Eagles is great. You know, Sanders is a great running back. But they've got three running backs that I believe can all make big plays for them. Jalen Hurts can make plays. You know, on the defensive side, they have four guys that had 10 plus sacks. I mean, four guys?

I mean, it's just, it's unbelievable. So that, to me, is the key to this game, is how does Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, and this Chiefs team, how do they try to at least just match the production of, you know, the trenches for the Eagles? I mean, Chris Jones, I mean, he's one guy. And not that they don't have other guys up there, but he's going to have to have a huge game. You know, the whole offensive line is going to be, you know, put to task by this defensive front over and over and over again. I mean, we all remember the last Super Bowl, and I know they had injuries up front. But, you know, the front of Tampa against this Chiefs team dictated that whole game.

And so that, to me, is I don't know what they're going to scheme up. You know, screen passes, quick passes. You know, is Patrick able to pull some of his magic when they get quick pressure and avoid that and make big plays?

But I truly believe Philadelphia is better in the trenches by a long shot. And that's going to dictate the course of this game. Kurt Warner here on the Rich Eisen Show. And Mahomes was compromised in that Super Bowl against that Bucks front seven as well. We're talking about his ankle so much. And Andy Reid said today that it looks like the entire playbook is available to him.

What's your two cents on that subject? I mean, I think the entire playbook was available last time. I mean, you know, he's so unique. I mean, if you go back and watch the championship game, you know, they're like third play of the game. They rolled him out to his right to throw a pass.

Like, okay, once you start doing, like, what's not available if you're willing to roll him out? Well, maybe the snow globe play where they do a ring around the rosy. Okay, I'm not sure if Coach Reid drew that one up. You know, and there was another time where, you know, Cincinnati got quick pressure in the inside. And Patrick just turned and ran to his left and then, I mean, like, I think everything was available last week.

Probably more so this week if there's anything that they were afraid to do. I just think Patrick is special and he's got the ability to throw without his feet, you know, as well as anybody in the league. And so even if there is some residual issues there, he makes up for it with some of the special stuff that he can do throwing the football.

So, I feel like two weeks off, I don't even think it's going to be a factor unless he re-injures it. Okay, so then what the Chiefs need, you mentioned Chris Jones. I mean, that's what they, because you're just assuming the offense is going to show up in a certain way to try and counterbalance that front seven. I mean, I'm picking up that you like the Eagles in this game, Kurt.

I'm not going to lie. I do like the Eagles right now. You know, again, Patrick's always the, you know, that X factor, but less than I think it's about Chris Jones. Although, you know, if they could get pressure with Chris and Frank and just those guys up front, I believe it's going to be about Spags and his pressure game. You know, because Jalen's been so good, but the one area that he still struggles with more than any others is when you get quick pressure on him. You know, you get free runners and he's got to make those quick decisions and throw the football and that's where he struggles.

So, I think that, you know, the pressure game of Spags and what they do defensively to try to confuse Jalen Hurts and get after him in the pass game. I think that's going to be a bigger key in this game than just hoping that the front four wins over and over again. Because I just, I don't see it happening because, you know, in the championship game, you know, they put Chris Jones out on the defensive end position and he won that last. You're not putting him out there against Lane Johnson.

Like, that's not a matchup that you want. So, you're going to keep him inside, but Jason Kelce is so good. I mean, there was one snap from the game last week where, you know, you had Bosa and Armstead on the same side of the field. And you saw Jason Kelce snap the ball and he literally turned and sprinted in that direction to go, I'm coming over here and helping these guys.

I know where their biggest strength is on the defensive line. I am going to make sure that I double team that side. I believe you're going to see him do that every opportunity he gets with Chris Jones if they play him on the inside. So, it's going to come down to scheming up opportunities to get Chris Jones one-on-one and hopefully win or get free hitters on Jalen Hurts and hope that he makes a mistake here or there. One last tape head All 22 question for you, Kurt Warner.

Again, you're QB Confidential. Check it out on YouTube, which is where you... Lots of videos all over this week. It's so insightful.

It's spectacular. Why does Travis Kelce get so wide open? I mean, we were talking about it just earlier this week. Who was it, Chris, that was talking about watching it? TJ, we couldn't believe just seeing it on film.

Who was that earlier this week? We've been saying it the whole time. Why is he not triple teamed on every single play? Exactly. We couldn't believe it.

The fan people talking. Why don't you just triple team that guy? Because they're going to throw it to him.

That's impossible to do. It's really hard to double team. But everybody knows that he's going to get the ball.

No, but it's really hard. But the reason why he's so wide open so often is, first and foremost, the feel that he has for the game along with Patrick. It's not just Travis. It's them together and understanding how to adjust routes. And so you'll see Travis numerous times in a game where he's supposed to be running a deep corner route. And he just gets out there and he realizes the defender that he just left. And he realizes the defender that's outside. And he just kind of stops where the big hole is. Or he'll be running a deep crossing route and he'll stop inside between the hashes when he's supposed to be outside the numbers on the other side. Because he's like, well, I know that linebacker's over there and this linebacker's here.

And I know that Patrick will see it. And so that's one reason he gets so wide open. The second thing is he's so good at adjusting after the fact. It's a play against the Jags in their playoff game. Yeah, he set a record for most catches. But he's actually supposed to run a flat route on that play. And the Jags drop their defensive end out to cover him. So he's running to the flat. And the defensive end was literally right on top of him from the get-go. And he's running out to the flat with him. And he just stops and throws him by and comes back to the inside. And Patrick buys a little bit of time, flips it to him to the inside and gets 12 yards on the play. Where he wasn't even supposed to be in there.

He was supposed to be outside. But they have such a great rapport with one another. And Travis has such a great feel for where defenders are and how to adjust his routes accordingly that it's hard to stop him. Because who's going to cover a man-to-man? You're not putting a safety or a linebacker on him to cover a man-to-man. So now you have to cover them with zone. And he's going to find the opening in the zone.

And Patrick is good enough to allow him to make those adjustments and make the plays with him. Who was that guy for you? Marshall? Fitz?

Who was it? I was more of a structure guy where I didn't like my guys adjusting as much. Because that's the hard thing. There was another play in that Jacksonville game where Travis goes and runs a deep corner route. And Patrick thinks he's going to stop. And they missed a play because of that. Because they weren't on the same page, even though they usually are. And so I was a guy that was like, you just run where you're supposed to go. I'll read the defense and then I'll get it to the right guy. But as far as a feel for the game, Marshall was there.

Because he saw what I saw. And that's kind of what I'm saying is that Travis and Patrick see the same things in the course of a play. And you don't very often see that from receivers.

That they can see and understand what a quarterback is seeing so he can hang with you a little bit longer. And yeah, Marshall was definitely the guy that I knew sometimes when he was running routes. I'm like, I know exactly where he's going to break this and how he's going to break this.

Because he's seeing exactly what I'm seeing and it made it like stealing. And it looks like that sometimes with Patrick and Travis. Yeah, it makes sense. Marshall would be saying things as I'm thinking it on television. Yes, exactly.

He would do that all the time as well. Kurt Warner, you can see Kurt and I and the rest of the NFL game day morning crew Sunday. Starting at 9 a.m. Eastern Time, 8 and a half hours. But not all of them for you because you big time us to go call Super Bowl 57 on Westwood 1 with Kevin Harlan. And I appreciate you joining us here certainly since you're going into your darkness retreat starting later on today, right? And we won't see you.

You come out. We've got 8 and a half hours of TV we've got to do so I think I need a few days of isolation. That's what you do, right? Before I get ready for the big game. Before you make your decisions? Yeah, but in my dark room there's actually a film.

What is it? That's how I do it. I just lock myself in the room but I have tape. My darkness retreat is rooting for the Jets. Yes, every Sunday for 3 hours at least.

Honestly, I haven't seen light, you know, barely light for 53 years. Well, I think you need to change your routine. The isolation chamber is not working for you. I've got to switch it up. Yes, you've got to change it up.

Open the shade, open the door, open the window. Well, maybe if you join Aaron in his isolation chamber, then maybe your isolation on Sunday afternoons might change a little. I'll bring the tea. Aaron might be joining you soon, Rich. That's right.

And he might be coming to the Jets, which by the way, and again, isolation and darkness, perfect way to get ready for the Jets. Perfect. Thanks for coming on, Kirk.

You got it, my friend. Super Bowl champion and the last guy to win MVP of the league and MVP of the big game, Kurt Warner right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Still to come, WWE superstar Seth Rollins and another guy who's hoisted this trophy, Charles Woodson. We're back here from the Super Bowl town in a moment.

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Monster.com. So Joe Montana just left us and so did Kurt Warner. So I noticed, did you, TJ, and Joe Montana have a moment? What was happening?

What was happening is we were switching out Hall of Fame quarterbacks in our guest chair. I just had to tell Joe that he was responsible for, most people would say, Joe, you're responsible for my greatest memories. I said, hey, Joe, you're responsible for probably my saddest sports memory of all time. What did he say? He looked at me, he goes, Cowboys fans. He's heard this story before.

He pointed something out and I'm going to have to go back and watch this. He goes, there was a play, he goes, Cowboy fans don't remember this. He goes, there was a play after that where Dallas almost scored and I think he said their DB Eric Wright may have stopped.

I forget the player after looking it up. He goes, Dallas could have come back and scored and won the game. He goes, but he got tackled and they lost. He goes, nobody remembers that.

Nobody remembers. I'm like, it still doesn't take the pain that way, Joe. But I just love it how, you know, out of all the fans, he goes, Cowboy fan out. I think he probably takes extreme pride in that. Well, he watches the show, wouldn't you? I'm sure he does.

He watches the show, he knows. So, you had mentioned this before, too, I had not noticed. The Eagles helmet, we have a Chiefs helmet and an Eagles helmet. It could have easily placed the Chiefs helmet in front of your position as opposed to Brockman's.

Yeah. But, and thus, there are no rules. I mean, there are rules to get in here and you have to be credentialed to get in the Super Bowl experience.

You need a credential, that's fine. And there are rules for the NFL that you need to follow in order to stay in there. Good graces that we stay in here. But other than that, we control this footprint. We could easily switch the helmets.

No, we could. However, the Eagles are the home team. So, the home's on the right? The home's on the other side. So, technically, looking at the helmets, though, the home team helmet is... We're looking this way. No, no, no, but you looking out... Oh, us looking out, it's the other way, but us out looking in... Which is all we care about.

Home way. Right. It was done too upset me and it worked. I'm upset. You know, Chiefs and Pats had a little rivalry.

Yeah, right with something. And then, obviously, teachers like the Eagles. I think the Eagles are going to win, so it makes sense to flip them, but we need to be accurate. By the way, while we're on the subject of home and away, nobody knows this, by the way. Nobody knows who's home and who's away because this is the Super Bowl. But there is somebody that's designated as the home team for a reason because they call the coin toss in the air. And they also get to choose the uniform that they wear. Wait, that's how the home team gets picked?

Yeah. It switches every year. Last year, the AFC team was the home team. This year, it's the NFC team that's the home team. And so the Eagles got to choose.

They wear green. And, fascinatingly enough, this will be the first playoff game ever in which Patrick Mahomes wears white. This is the most insignificant yet potentially most significant statistic of Super Bowl 57 I'm dispensing to you right now.

However, Rich. Hold on a second. I'm not done yet. Excuse me. I was coming with jersey stats. I know you're about to give me them.

I will hand it off to you in a second. By the way, however it was that you are aware from the Penske fire. You are aware.

And then I interrupted you. So we don't know what we should be aware of. We'll find that out in a second. Mahomes has never worn white for a playoff game because he's always been home. And the Super Bowls in which he's played, the Chiefs chose red to wear because he was the home team in those Super Bowls. That's why he's worn red. This is the first time he's ever worn white at a Super Bowl. Now you can give me the you are aware stat that I believe I'm already aware of.

The team that's worn white has won 36 times. Wow. 15 of the last 18 Super Bowls. Wow. That's a stat.

That's a good one. 15 of the last 18 Super Bowls. However, when the Eagles won their Super Bowl a few years ago. They were green. They were green. They're one of the few teams that did not wear white. The Eagles have worn green now every Super Bowl that they've been in. So I guess that they've been a home team because I guess they would choose to wear their Kelly green uniform.

And the Chiefs beat the Niners in red. The most significant, insignificant stat of Super Bowl 57. That's why we flew here to give you this information. How is this not significant? Also Rich, did you know about the coin toss?

Have you heard about this? Yeah, this is another great one. The last eight Super Bowls, the team that's won the coin toss, lost the game. Lost the game. Eight in a row.

Eight in a row. So that's stupid. It's facts.

No, hold on a minute. Until we find out, we need to know what did they do? What was their decision when they won? Did they defer or did they not?

Did they call heads or did they call heads? Because that's what I'm saying. If you're telling me, because most teams, as you know, win the toss and defer. Defer. You have to get the ball in the second half to get the opportunity to score right before and after halftime.

Of course. If they're down, you can flip the script quickly with two possessions in a row. Just like that. Or you can push the pedal to the metal and put the game out of reach by scoring touchdowns on either side of halftime. So we saw the Patriots make quite a bit of hay by scoring on either side of halftime with Brady and the Brady Belichick error.

But now you've got to tell me, if you're telling me eight straight Super Bowl winners have deferred and they've lost, that would blow my mind. Now that would blow my mind. Well, I'm going to go check now. I don't know that.

Is there really a site that tells you this sort of thing? Yeah. Now I have what was called. Okay. Heads or tails? I don't have whether they deferred or not.

Okay. So last year Rams, Bengals, tails, Bengals won. But it failed. But it failed. Eventually to win. Now I don't know who's calling this either.

It doesn't say that. But Kansas City, Tampa Bay, it was heads. Kansas City won the toss.

Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl. Very good. That's great.

All right. Honestly, to me, the uniform stuff is more significant and that's pretty insignificant. Not to Brockman it's not. People bet on the coin toss. I'm aware of that, Chris, because for some reason I see people whose team just lost the coin toss in the stadium cheer loudly. I'll never forget being in Vegas many, many moons ago. Many moons ago.

Many. Next year we'll be in Vegas. I know that. I remember being in Vegas many, many moons ago and there was, I think, UConn played Duke in some Final Four or what have you. And Duke threw... The 99 championship was Duke Connecticut. I think Duke threw in a meaningless three at the end of the game. By meaningless, I mean it had nothing to do with who won and who lost the game.

But it was meaningful. And whoever threw in that three to make it like a two point deficit as opposed to five, the place exploded, exploded. And I didn't even need to know why it exploded. Vegas, baby. Vegas, baby. Exploded.

And I'm like, my first initial thought was like, why are people going crazy? Because the game meant nothing, it meant everything to somebody. Also I need to find Chris Stapleton to find out how long his anthem is. Say it again? I need to find Chris Stapleton to find out how long the anthem's going to be. Just throwing that out there.

All right. So if anyone's watching rehearsals... You're such a degenerate. For the first time ever, stream the Super Bowl for free. Super Bowl 57 on Westwood One is Sunday, February 12th.

Catch all the action on the Odyssey app on westwoodonesports.com via Westwood One Station streams or by asking Alexa to open Westwood One Sports. What should I know about Seth Rollins? Give me a... Oh, TJ. Seth Rollins.

Give it to me. He's coming. The most important thing for this show's purpose is Seth Rollins is a huge Chicago Bears fan. I know that. That I know. And he lives and dies with the Bears. Seth Rollins also married the Becky Lynch, friend of the show, who's been on multiple times.

He's a WWE Grand Slam Champion, which means he's won every single title available to a wrestler there. Okay. It looks like there's a chance he might be taking on Jake Paul at WrestleMania this year. We don't know yet.

I don't know if that's the case. Logan Paul or Jake Paul? I'm sorry. Logan. Logan.

Logan Paul. I'm sorry. And it looks like that might be where they're leading right now. You know? Okay. So, yeah. Seth Rollins is the man. There you go.

Okay. Jake Paul and... Logan. Logan Paul. Logan Paul.

Jake's the boxer. Chris Paul. Logan Russell. Chris Paul. Chris Paul still plays for Phoenix.

He's the No relation to Pitbull. Very good. Woo! Should we have Seth Rollins scream out Iberfluse before he leaves? No, that's mandatory. The latest Chicago Bears fan to scream Iberfluse here on the Raw Fantastic. And then Charles Woodson right behind him. So, is he bringing any wine or bourbon? Um, he better.

Yeah. You don't come to my house empty-handed. Only you do that, Chris. Rich likes pretty much all of our guests.

Yes, all of our guests come on. But every time Woodson comes on, he gets like, there's a particular smile and he just flashed it. When you speak of Charles Woodson and Desmond Howe, those two make you just... Two of my favorite people on planet Earth. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Charles doesn't have to do stuff like this.

Schlep all the way down from Scottsdale down here to just hang out and talk to us. Yeah, he's right playing in the program. It's called a special bond is what it's called. Special bond.

Seth Rollins coming up hour three. First time I ever met Charles Woodson, Rich was the old podcast. He came into our little tiny studio was just doing audio only. You told him I was a Pats fan.

Yes. This was probably 12 years ago. He looked at me dead serious and goes, well, what is he doing here? Was not a hint of humor, huh? He was not joking.

It sounded like he was not joking. Tom Coughlin, then why are you calling me? What is he doing here then? Why is he here?

I'm like, okay. He literally meant it, right? What is he doing here? He totally meant it. Yeah. It's like he, cause he thought it was a safe place.

When he's coming. And then he thought I was going to be like, no game, talk, we're all live. That's not what I did.

You were too afraid at that point. Yeah, by that. Exactly. Yeah.

You weren't doing it. You thought about it. By the way, that might've been Charles. Charles is one of the, as you know, the greatest defenders of all time. I think he was just defending his own space from Patriot fans who probably have violated his space. Yeah. Chris. He's a Pats fan.

What is he doing here? Fantastic. He's probably forgotten. You're a Pats fan. And I'll do that again here. And let's see if he, if he's, if he does the same, well, last time when we were in Atlanta, the super bowl, him and I got into it because I was, we were talking about, it's a clip that we play sometimes about the fumbling. So the jig is up is what you're saying. Very good. All right. We have hours in the books right here from the super bowl convention center in downtown Phoenix. When we come back here, WWE superstar, Seth Rollins, then Charles Woodson will join us here for our third hour of our first day on the Roku channel at the super bowl.