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If you like this video, please subscribe to my channel. Okay. All right, Cliff. All right, man. God bless. All right.

Appreciate it, man. Okay. We've got a break. Two open lines.

8772072276. We'll be right back after these messages. Welcome back to the show.

Why don't we get on the air with, let's see, Parks from Florida. Welcome. You're on the air.

Yeah. Thank you, Matt. I really appreciate your format, but this really relates to my other question.

We're facing this situation where the whole world is turning against Israel, and I'm having a hard time finding scriptures to show people that that is against the Creator's will and against the scriptures. And that relates to my other question about some of the Church's teaching that you can kill yourself and go to heaven. Sadly, I have been trying to send you some evidence of this, and somebody has been not letting my emails get through to you on the CHARM website and kind of being hostile to me because I was showing that what's-his-name, the founder of Cavalry Chapel, was promoting this idea that you could kill yourself and go to heaven. And I think that if you- Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. There's a lot of stuff here you're getting into and saying, so let's do one thing at a time. Okay? What's your question?

Well, that's one of my questions is I was trying to present the evidence of Chuck Smith saying that you could kill yourself and go to heaven, and my emails were getting intercepted. Okay. So what's your question? That's not a question. What's your question? Well, one of the questions is, can I present the evidence?

And the other thing is- Yeah. Present the evidence. Where do you- Okay.

Well, I mean, in their own books that Chuck Smith said they sell in the Cavalry Chapel. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. One thing at a time.

You seem to me just to want to preach this, and I don't want that to happen. No, I haven't been able to submit. Let me finish. Let me finish, please. Okay? Sure. So I'm always cautious when people do that. Okay? I'm just telling you.

So you need to email me at info at karm.org. All right? I did that, and they wouldn't let me- Finish!

They wouldn't let me. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.

You've got to let me finish my statements. Okay? All right? Go ahead.

All right. So you email them, and you ask to have it be sent to me. I have someone- I did that. I did that, and they refused- Okay. We're done.

We're done. I have this thing. When I repeatedly ask, let me finish my sentences, and they continue to step over me, then I get rid of them, or I just leave. This is something I do on chat rooms. I do it quite frequently. If I'm answering a question, someone just starts continuing to interrupt, it just doesn't work with my autism, and I just say, I'm done, and we're going to move on.

If I ask them repeatedly, and they continue to make that same goof, I just can't deal with them. That's on my end, but that's how it has to be. So if he wants to call back and ask a question, let me answer it without interrupting.

That's okay, but I don't like that. Let's get to Zach from Arkansas. Zach, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Thank you for taking my call. My question today is about boundaries with family members. In my situation, one of my family members in my immediate family, one of my parents actually just, my parents divorced when I was little, and anyway, because of abuse with drugs and alcohol, my relationship with this family member has been quite strained. So my question is, if you have any, I guess, wisdom of how the Bible can articulate to effectively love them as your neighbor, per se, but at the same time have healthy boundaries because they failed to keep their word, they might be trying to get back around in your life and maybe at a good point, but the trust isn't there. So anyway, how do you have healthy boundaries while still in a right way loving them and being loving, being respectful, especially being a parent? Yeah, that's a real tough one. Let me just say, cautiously, I can kind of relate, okay?

Not exactly the same way, but enough. So what you do, at least what I did, is I set those boundaries according to scripture, and I would still be involved with my parents and, you know, let's just say they weren't walking with Christ as they should be, and let's just say, I'll just use this as an example, some foul language be used in our house, and so this is just a representative idea. So I did what I said, Mom, Dad, love you very much, but we don't allow that in our home, and I'm just asking you to abide by that, and, you know, okay, they were respectful, okay, no problem. Just how they were raised, et cetera, Dad was in the service, you know. So what I did was, the principle was just biblically set a standard, my wife and I came to agreement, and then when it came time to be noticed, I brought it up very carefully with respect to my parents, and then set that boundary as that and still encouraged them to, if they're over to see the grandkids, you know, our daughters, my wife and I daughters, you know, and say, we want you over here, we want you to, we just don't want that part here, and so I'm not saying it's exactly your situation, but, you know, the idea of taking control of what you can in the world environment you can in your home, and setting a boundary according to scripture, and then encouraging them with fellowship and things like that while working on particulars. It's a very general thing, but that's what I'd recommend, if you've got more specifics to ask. Yeah, I guess, right, yeah, maybe just a little more specific. I think the thing I struggle with is, even in my own heart and mind, just giving my parent the time of day, just because I think the trust isn't there, because the trust has been broken so many times, so maybe even if, by their word, their life seems to be going well, it's just, I feel myself, you know, very distrustful, you know, not, just not wanting to even give them the time of day, because I'm already telling myself, well, I know this is true, and so on and so on and so on and so on, and you find that prayer is something that alleviates that, at least giving them the benefit of the doubt, or at least trying to, or where's the wisdom there.

Yeah. Yeah, you've got to get your heart right with God so that your judgment upon them is one of truth and not one of resentment, because resentment brings anger, anger brings judgment and condemnation and self-righteousness and et cetera. When we are wronged, or when something really is wrong, then we can take it upon ourselves and then justify our actions, justify our resentment. If we remember these wrongs, as the Bible says not to do, in 1 Corinthians 13, then they shape us and they can affect our relationships.

It doesn't mean you forget things, you know, because you're supposed to be as loving as you can, and as kind as you can, but you have to do it within the Biblical mandate, and the problem is, you've got to guard your own heart in this process. You don't want to become guilty, you don't want to become guilty. When I counsel people, it takes a while to get to the very root, and then I know exactly what the issue is, and then we address it biblically, but we don't have time for that right now. Hold on, we'll just, we're out of break, if you want to go ahead, if not, we'll get a nice collar, but hey, three open lines, 877-207-2276, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show, let's give you thanks, and let's get back to Zach. Okay, he's gone there. All right, hey, four open lines, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, let's get to Dave from Salt Lake City. Dave, welcome, you're on the air.

Hi, Matt. I spoke to you, I don't know, probably six, eight weeks ago about this, and I'm just trying to clarify, I understand you talk about, that's the wicket that's taken, so just to clarify, do you not believe there's a rapture, there's only a second coming that happens at the end of the tribulation, is that correct? There's only one second. Oh, there's still a rapture.

I'm not sure I understand the question, go ahead. So, no, yeah, there's only one second coming, because this rapture technically means to be caught up, correct? Yes. Okay, so, and you've talked about how, you know, many churches, various pastors teach that, you know, it's the righteous that are raptured, you know, and that at the end of the tribulation that Christ will return to the earth a thousand-year rule and reign, that's kind of what I've been taught going to church over the years, so there's only one return of Christ, there's no rapture where we're caught up in the cloud? No, there's a rapture, that's out of 1 Thessalonians 4, we're caught up in the cloud, that's what it said, that's the rapture. The question is, when does the rapture occur? Some say it is, some say it's, let me do this, okay, there we go, pre-mid or post, right? Yeah, some say it's before the tribulation period, and some say mid, the midpoint of it, and some say at the end of the tribulation period, that's all, it's just different views. And based on, you talk about stretching, separating of the, sorry, the, not the sheaf.

I'm not understanding you, I'm sorry, it's not very clear, could you repeat that? Sorry, I can't, yeah, sorry, I'm trying to remember the other verse that you referred to when separating the tares. The wheat and the tares, yes, at the end of the harvest, according to Matthew 13, 30 through 42, and the first ones taken when Jesus returns are the wicked, not the good, according to Jesus' only words. And you think that that's what many people misinterpret as the rapture? Well the misinterpret as the rapture is usually out of Matthew 24, 36 and Luke 17, 37, I believe it is, when it says two men are in the field and one is taken and one is left. And that, misunderstand, that is the rapture, that's not the rapture, it's the wicked who were taken there, if you read the context.

That's very clear. So then, when the rapture occurs, would we then immediately come down and start? Come down in what?

Come down in what? The earth, where the earth is restored, or the thousand-year rule in vain, with Christ. So there's the view that there's a literal thousand years reign to come. I don't hold to that view. I don't accept that view. It doesn't mean that the position isn't true, I just don't hold to it.

And the rapture generally was taught in most churches is the pre-tribulation rapture, the seven-year tribulation, and then the thousand-year reign of Christ, and then he comes back again and does some other stuff. That's the general view. I don't hold to it, but you know, okay? Okay. Alright, I appreciate that. If you don't have another, do you have another call awaiting? No I don't. Otherwise I've got, okay, do you mind if I ask you another question?

Sure, go ahead. So I'm an educator, I'm actually a health and physical education teacher at a typical public school, I'm at a public charter, but very liberal views, for the most part, administration students. I had a kid the other day in health come up to me and say, you know, there's more than two genders, right?

So I'm just like, that's a great conversation to have with your parents. So I mean, part of me, obviously, as a Christian, I want to scan for my faith and be bold, if you will, and part of me wants to stay employed, and I question, you know, how much I want to be an educator, because I think that you're diametrically a part of me, I think if I, you know, told the kid, hey, go ahead. We need Christians in education. We need believers in there.

I know a lot of believers, I mean, believers don't want to be in there. But when people say there's, you know, they say there's two genders, I'd say, well, can you define what gender is? Just define it, and what's the standard of the definition? How do you know it's the right definition? Just because someone says so? I mean, what do you, how do you define it as? And if people say, well, they just identify them, well, are you just saying just because they say it, that makes it a reality? I don't understand. Please teach me about this.

How's this work? Okay. Yeah. I mean, because if you go back and pull up online and old Webster's dictionary and look at the strict definition of gender, it was synonymous with biological sex, right? Right. Well, but now, of course, society has decided to change the definition of gender, right? Yeah. Right, so what justifies the definition change? Is it just a majority? Right. But if the majority says it doesn't make it, it's true. And so I just say, well, I need an authoritative source, not just a bunch of people who say it's different.

I'm sorry. Please help me out. How does this work? You have to ask them, please help me understand this. Because I thought it was just this way, because that's what the dictionary, that's what science has taught, and now all of a sudden people are just saying they're different. I don't understand.

How does it make it true? See, how the question has a good apologetic in it, and you ask them, can you please help me out? Sure. Okay. I think that's a good approach.

I appreciate that. Maybe we should have a class where I teach Christians, teach Christian teachers how to do stuff, how to ask the right questions, how to get around things. Because you can do it by simply, you can actually ask a question with a statement embedded in the question. Like, I don't believe in multiple genders. I believe it's a load of crud.

I do. I don't believe it. Just because they say it doesn't mean it's true. They identify it as this or that. Oh, you identify? It just makes it true?

Right. So there's an ontological change in your essence and nature? Am I a purple unicorn, right? Am I a purple unicorn as I identify? No. No. To no end.

It's ridiculous. So did you say you do have a course, or do you think you should start one? Well, what I was saying is that I would like to be able to teach a bunch of people how to work. I would think that'd be great.

Find me out. Seriously. I think that'd be awesome. Yeah, I'd like to teach people how to do it, how to go through, how to ask questions and stuff. Yeah.

Absolutely. That'd be a very, it's a much needed teaching. I would love to learn from you on that, because it's one of those things where part of me doesn't want to touch it with a 10-foot pole, because sometimes that's something, and of course the kid will miss, can't do it, go home and tell his parents, oh, you know, coat said, blah, blah, blah, and that's completely out of contact and not what I said.

But you know, unfortunately, oftentimes administrators cannot talk to the kids and parents. Okay. So what you do, you carry a recorder.

You know, I don't trust the left, I don't trust the media, I'm sorry, I don't trust them. If I were you, I would be having a recorder on my person at all times. And in Idaho, for example, I can take a recorder everywhere I go.

No one has to know it. I can record any conversation I want. That's the state law. It's called one-party consent.

You find out whatever state you're on, if that's permissible. And then, you know, you carry it on campus, you have these discussions, and you just record. And then you back them.

You just put them on once a night, whatever, once a week, you just have this recorder, and you back them up on the cloud, and then you put dates on them and things like that. And that's one thing for covering your rear, because they will often, as the left often does, is it uses lies. They want to get Christians out of the schools, so they'll take whatever they can to get rid of Christians, so they can put in their leftist wacko morons in there to teach leftist agenda stuff. The Christians need to fight.

Christians need to stay in. So, what you do is you train yourself to ask questions. Don't make statements.

Right. Well, I'm a big believer in education, not indoctrination, so I'm nice to call them out. No, no, no, you're not hearing me. When someone asks you, or they make a statement, you're in a teacher's lounge, I used to be a substitute teacher, so I know what it is, you go in a teacher's lounge, and they say, if someone were to say, you know, there's two genders, I'm going to start asking questions. I say, well, please, can you then show me the logic behind it and the evidence behind it?

I want to know. Now it's on them to back it up, and that's something to do. And if a student asks me the same thing, depending on what I know, I can or can't say or do in the school, I know how that works, I will just work within that rule system and just say, like you said, you've got to ask your mom and dad about that, and you move on. Okay? You want to stay in school. Awesome. Thanks so much, Matt. Okay, be a light. Okay, good. Oh, sorry about that. Hey, we have five open lines if you want to give me a call.

877-207-2276. We'll be right back. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air here with Mark from Durham, North Carolina, whom we just lost.

Life after death videos. That would have been an interesting call. We have four open lines, 877-207-2276. Let's get to, I'm not sure of the name, Mowel from Missouri. Welcome. You're on the air. Hello. Yes, hello. It's Miguel. Yes, can you hear me?

Miguel. Okay. Yes.

I can't see all the words because of an arrangement of something on the screen. That's... Anyway. But go ahead. That's what you got, man.

Yes. Thank you for taking my call. You actually knew me.

I lived in Idaho for a little while and attended some of your classes. We had met. But anyway, my call is in regard...

Wait a minute. Downstairs at the well you came in? Was it there? Yes.

I remember from the well, it was a few years ago, I was at an anniversary party celebrating Con and I put some pictures for you. Yeah, I think so. I think I remember you. Yeah.

Uh-huh. You know, a doofusy looking guy kind of big, a doofusy, that guy, yeah, I remember, yeah. Well, I'll leave the doofus part in your judgment, but yeah, I do. Well, then you'd know because if you were at my studies, you'd know I joke around a lot so it's... I'm glad you're here. No, I do. I remember. That's right. All right, buddy.

At the time I was up there. And just a quick question in regards to this whole Roe v. Wade situation, and specifically there is a movement within the church, I don't know if I pronounced it correctly, the Theomists, the ones who believe in God's law, here on earth. Theonomists. Theonomy. Theonomy, yes. And basically I just want to see your take on that. Obviously I am against abortion, I think it's wrong, I think it's a sin, I think we should persuade that, but I don't know how far they take it in terms, I know eschatology is wrapped into this question as well, but just kind of your take, general thoughts, I would appreciate to hear that. Yeah, so what should we do with theonomy? Some levels of theonomy say kill those who've had abortions because they're killing human life and they need to be tried and executed accordingly. There are some who hold to that level.

I don't. Then there are those who hold to varying degrees of the position of Old Testament law and where adulterers are dealt with severely. So that's what theonomy means, theos, God, namas, law, God's law, theonomy. But it's not as simple as that either. There's a lot of grace, there's a lot of people who've thought these things through and want and think it's a good idea to have the law of God in the law of the land, and I believe that that's a good idea in some areas and potentially not in others.

Now how to work all that out, I don't know. When I look at history, I see that history says that whenever a religious group gets in power, it becomes corrupt. Whenever a secular group gets in power, it becomes corrupt. We Christians are not exempt from corruption over a period of time. Christians who are regenerate, reborn again, will do what's good, then their predecessors or their successors may not be, and then gradually things get worse, and we're seeing that in the case of our country. But we do have a lot of God's laws already woven into our society. The death penalty, for example, private property rights, the right of self-defense, representational government. These are all things that are biblical, and so in that sense, there's a bit of God's law already worked as a society. The question then becomes how far do we take it, how far do we go? And that's the question I can't answer.

I've not studied it per se, I'm not an expert on it, and there are those who have studied a great deal, like Rush Dooney has written on it, and Greg Bahnson has written on it, and so I just defer to them and then leave the Christians to judge for themselves if they presented a good and biblical and balanced argument. Okay? Well, thank you. I appreciate that clarification, it is a heavy subject to touch upon, but I appreciate the clarification. But we don't have anybody waiting so we can kind of talk about this a little bit. How far, here's a question, how far should we as Christians seek to impose biblical law in society? And I think we should. I think we should impose it through voting. For example, I think it should be illegal to have drug use, illicit drug use. Don't make drugs legal, marijuana and heroin as they're moving towards, do all those things.

No, don't make it illegal. Prisons, we don't see the idea of prisons in the scripture as a scripture role, as in supported by scripture as the right thing to do. In the Old Testament when someone did something wrong, they were either stoned, it's a capital punishment, or they were forced into a position where they had to restore what was the damage they had done, what was stolen, up to four times as much. So if they stole a TV, they got to provide four of them back. That might be a good idea to have people, instead of just put them away in a jail, they rot.

Have a system where they have to work and pay back what it is they've done. Things like this that are biblical, I think these make sense. We have the right of self-defense.

Jesus has Luke 22, 36, buy a sword, and I think we should have the right of carrying weapons if we want. I don't see any problem with that. There's stuff like that. May I just add a point? There seems to be a pie with that typology that people who hold this view tend to be more post-millennial. They believe that the gospel will usher in the kingdom here on earth. Do you believe that it's necessary, is it just kind of an outworking of their faith and that's why they take this position?

I don't know why they're related, but they are. I haven't been able to connect all the dots, I'm going to get a few, but when you say that you remind me of the research I've been doing on the New Apostolic Reformation. They believe, not in theonomy, but they do believe in the Seven Mountain Mandate.

The Seven Mountains Mandate started in 1975 and it's the seven categories of our world, government, business, education, things like this, and I've written on it on my website. They believe in taking control of them, it's a type of theonomy, and where they say we need to raise up people to get Christians in all offices, in all areas, and bring them all in subjection to God. That's what theonomy also teaches.

Theonomy is more of a harsher version of that, I would say, more strict, but they, the NAR, are also post-millennial, which I think is interesting. I don't hold to post-millennialism at all. I've got arguments, I think, refute it, but that's just me and my prideful, stubborn arrogance and ignorance, probably. I think that the post-millennialist is probably thinking, yeah, it doesn't know what you're doing. Well, maybe I don't. But from what I've seen, I just can't, I'm not convinced of it. I don't think things are going to get better by the ushering in of the kingdom of God through making the world better through proclamations and stuff. That's what theonomy does, that's what the NAR wants to do.

I think there's admiral goals in there. I just don't see them as being realistic. I'm a pessimistic on-millennialist, so I guess that's why.

I am. Okay, and I'm a historic pre-millennialist, so I kind of run in the same direction. But I appreciate you taking the time to answer this question, and I'll probably have to look forward to just studying a little bit more myself.

If I were you, I would study the issue of this age and the age to come, and what happens at the end of this age. You'll find that one thing leads to another, leads to another, leads to another. The trumpet, and the last trumpet, and the resurrection, and the judgment, and the rapture.

You'll find, I honestly believe that when you study, you'll start finding that the scriptures definitively start teaching things, like we know the gathering of the body of Christ is at the harvest. It's called the harvest, right? You know that, right? Are you familiar with that?

Right? Well, when we talk about that, when Jesus talks about it, he says the first ones gathered at the harvest are the wicked, before the Christians, in Matthew 13. And so I read stuff like that, I go, how does this work? And so I don't know, eschatology is just sometimes a confusing thing. A lot of people think they've got it all figured out, but I don't, I just lean the way I do because of what I do, and I hope I'm wrong. I do not want my position to be right, post rapture, pessimistic Amillennialism. Are you kidding? That's horrible. I don't want it to be right.

Even historic pre-millennialism or post-millennialism would be better. Let's get out of here. Let's do a rapture thing.

That'd be so much nicer. Oh, well, what are you going to say? All right. All right. Thank you, sir. Okay. God bless. All right. We have nobody waiting.

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