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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network mobile show where biblical Christianity meets the everyday issues of life in your home, at work, and even in politics. Steve is an ordinary man who believes in an extraordinary God it on a show, there's plenty of grace and truth, but no sacred call Steve now 86 34 three 866-34-TRUTH or check them out online, Steve Noble Joe.com now here's your host mobile and I address at iron Academy, Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill area credible. Just amazing school for Christian young men in the title of my talk there at the commencement day and this is a really cool commencement because all those young men walk out of there with actual swords like custom-made full-length swords and I entitled it's Babylon State University and I opened with a statistic I use that you been listening to the show for any period of time over all these years. I will quote Barna statistics quite often and I brought up the one that is just recent from the American worldview inventory, 20, 21 that were going to dive into today talking about just 6% of your neighbor 6% of Americans are actually operating out of a biblical worldview. Just 6% and so I reminded those young men as well as their parents and everybody else in attendance that functionally and in every other metric you live as an American is a Christian in America you live in a pagan nation.
I know that doesn't sound good. It sounds fatalistic. I know we talk about is America a Christian nation.
Listen, I teach Constitution and civics. I taught this stuff for years. That's an interesting question with a complicated answer but is turned in terms of 20, 21 in America, you are like Daniel living in a pagan nation and as you dive into that and see what people actually think that's when you start finding out like a George Barna did not just 6% of US adults have a biblical worldview you dig a little deeper and you find out what what is there worldview of 6% have a biblical one what to the rest of them have, then you get into what's called syncretism, which is essentially for all my southern friends just like potluck or a big casserole and then you find out what what what else is the deal. While there's this thing called moralistic therapeutic deism are MTD and I know you don't know what that is but you will before respect finish our time together today so I've had the pleasure of only one other time although I've been a referencing and using George's work for years.
George Barna, the director of research and cofounder of the cultural research Center Arizona Christian University you recognize his name because his original founder, the Barna group and then not switch lanes a few years ago and is doing stuff in Arizona as well as the family research Council and is just I think that just the foremost authority when you start getting into statistics and analyzing what people say what they think how they living from a statistical standpoint. Barna's just been just a huge blessing to those of us that care enough to pay attention to a Dr. George Barna, welcome to the show hurry boy after an intro like that.
I think I'm gonna fire the PR firm we work with him hiring you well and I'm happy to help and and really I mean I became an activist in 2004 George and got on the radio in 2007 through the Apperson's senior and junior in and as I began to try to enrich my thinking in my mind my knowledge base your work kept coming up because I'm a numbers person to go Ben Shapiro facts don't care about your feelings and the numbers are very very powerful. Unfortunately, there also very very sad and depressing so let me ask this question converting to dive into this. I want to come at the American worldview inventory. What you did and are releasing which is just been fascinating and really helpful because I think we all need to do a little dose of sober mindedness.
But all these years. Georgia dealing with a lot of bad news and just kind of depressing stop. How do you maintain a good nature and hope and positivity. As a follower of Christ.
In a country that pretty much rejects everything we believe drug Steve. The reality is I and I do get discouraged on me about that's hard to avoid. I think if you take all of the seriously which I do, but I think what keeps me going is realizing that when you read the Scriptures.
What you discovered is that God never waits until he has a majority. You, the great work of transforming the culture. It appears that his process is to actually use what the Scriptures: remnant of believers. People who are completely sold out to God. They're passionate about who he is what he stands for what he wants to do and feel privileged that we may have an opportunity to partner with him and that process and so recognizing that yell the numbers don't look too great from 30,000 foot level.
Reality is we've got enough people here in America who could constitute the remnant and so God has plenty to work with here and those really are the people that I want to inform and to encourage and to activate, to do the things that God wants to see happen. I want to be part of that and I think George that a lot of us in the church evangelicalism Protestantism whatever part you want to look at. I think were so used to America being sort maybe sorta kinda a Christian nation, we haven't really been under any kind of major direct persecution. The assumption is most people because you still have no probably 70+ percent. People in America would self identify as Christians because it's kind of a default position but I think it's really helpful that we actually know the nitty-gritty, the dirty little details of just what's happened to the nation around us and most of our neighbors, because I think we can settle into a sense of false security when actually we should have one but let to your point, which I think is super important. We've always just been a remnant you go back 100 years conviction will Christian church attendance is never really gone beyond about 25% people that regularly are invested in church about it, but it gives the, the, the perspective that we think were surrounded by a bunch of Christians but I think there's value in knowing that we aren't there. In my off now. Are you totally. I think you are one of the challenges to us as Americans is that when we encounter something like the truth about the state of the church as opposed to some of the myths that we bought into it it it pushes us to compartmentalize things even more and and that becomes more dangerous.
We've got to recognize that our faith in Christ is meant to impact every dimension of our life.
It's not just supposed to be a Sunday experience. It's supposed to be the very definition and heartbeat of who we are and for us to really be significant players or warriors if you will, in this cultural battle and spiritual battle with is taking place around us and through us. We've got to know the truth.
I mean, you don't.
You don't win a war if you go into it thinking were the best we've got all the weapons nobody can defeat us and you didn't do your due diligence and realize that your opponents are really strong and clever and strategic and prepared you need to know that if you can with you need to know that if you know when we know in the end. Of course we win, but we can be abandonment theology people. There's plenty of work to do in the here and the now before Jesus comes back for talking to Dr. George Barna Arizona Christian University and all is incredible research over these years several decades. This is Steve Noble and the Steve Miller silver to dive into the American worldview inventory so that you know the realities in which you are living and working in advancing gospel back to back his fees over the Steve Noble show. I often tell you really don't have the venture too far out of Romans chapter 1 to understand any really in a healthy way in a vigorous rate way understand what's going on in the world around you, but it helps when you can find information you can find studies and research that really just backs up the realities in the truth that the Bible is Artie revealed to us in one of the one of the reasons I've always leaned so heavily on Barna research and all the work that George Barna has done is because all it does is it clarifies for me things that I arty know in the spiritual realm in the biblical realm and in the office and you see it out there in the culture. So when God is saying.
People suppress the truth and replace it with a lie there actually is a way to quantify that many go over to Jesus and he does give me a whole lot of people to say, Lord, Lord, and I'm looking square in the face and say I actually never knew you. And as you begin to unpack what people think what they say what they believe you start to go oh okay there it is. And just like Solomon said there's nothing new under the sun.
So whether you're talking to people 4000 years ago or in 2021.
Human nature never really changes in budget but it's really helpful as a Christian to understand the realities on the ground of what you been taught biblically because sometimes we separate those two things is that they don't perfectly overlay, but they do and that's one of the great things about George Barna and all of his research and he joins us live today on the show George again, thank you for all your work and for your time today. It's really a huge blessing well. Thanks for paying attention to it.
I mean there's no sense doing the information gathering. If nobody can use their welcome. That's a great point.
So a couple of Canada metanarrative type things about the American worldview inventory.
First of all, how do you deal with the sample size, how many people are in a talk to who are we going to talk to and then have to talk about the because it was 1/2 hour long personal interview you did so that people can understand just the that the meat in the work and the strength behind the actual numbers well you know we we work hard to try to get a sample that represents or is reflective of the larger population of the United States.
So I've been working with a group back in the New Jersey area for 25 years now on making sure that we get this stuff right they understand what I'm after. And you know we we develop a sample that is representative of the population, demographically, geographically and you know my big old courses. The holographic league meeting all its spiritual contours, and in this particular study, we interview 2000 people across the country 18 years of age or older and as you mention it, it's a pretty long interview but interestingly we found that what were doing is asking people a lot of questions that they've never really thought about and so first of all, that's partly what takes longer to complete the interview because were asking them about deeper things than you know what soap you by candidate you think you can vote for and and secondly there kind of intrigued by some of these things were finding because nobody talks about these issues.
And therein lies the problem in America is that everybody has a worldview, but people don't talk about it they don't think about it. There's not an intentional process for developing it. So, to a large extent or worldview develops almost by default and by the way it develops between 15 to 18 months of age and 13 years of age.
By the age of 13.
We found a person's worldview is usually fully formed yet which gives a whole another level of of importance and I would say need for urgency to how we educate our kids.
I may not wear a homeschooling family.
I've been teaching Constitution and civics for eight years I taught Christian ethics for three or four years and adding US history this fall for high school age students, but to hear that most of that groundwork and that basic worldview is formed by the time of 13 boy we've got a lot of work to do. So when you first I'm packing this. Let's talk about this first kind of this major finding.
This came out.
The very first release talk about 6% only 6% of Americans actually have an operational biblical worldview. How do you define that biblical worldview because I want people listening George to be able to kind of self identify, if you will.
If I can steal that phrase to self identify and do I actually have a biblical worldview.
What is one well yeah and and let me just throw a little bit of caution here to I just did a study a couple weeks ago for family research Council were also work, and one things that we discovered in that survey is that 51% of adults think they have the biblical man yeah but only 6% do now.
Why do I say only 6% because the nature of this this half hour surveys we asked people 51 different questions. Half of them about what they believe the other half about how they convert those beliefs into action because we know that you do what you believe and so if you tell me you believe something, but when I watch how you live.
It doesn't fit with what you told me you believe you really believe your lying to me maybe aligned yourself, but the reality is it's your actions that prove what you believe. So we we are having. First of all, were about the only research company in the country that does worldview research.
Secondly, were also I think the only one that equates beliefs and behavior. Most just look at beliefs and that's important. But I don't think that's the whole story so what we do we look at things like people's perceptions about whether or not truth exists. What defines truth what how important is truth in the decisions that you make. What about morality on what do you base your moral choices that we give them examples of things that you know sexual relations outside of marriage, having an abortion and abortion because having the child would be financially uncomfortable or emotionally uncomfortable getting a divorce.
All of these kinds of things that the Bible speaks to and we want to know how you make your decision on these kinds of issues is a moral issue and what is your decision will look at things like sin, sin and salvation. Forgiveness will look at people's perceptions of of God in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit will look even at things like what people believe success is or what their purpose in life is and how they know what that is. These are all aspects that give you a filter for decision-making. That's all worldview is it's your decision-making filter. Everybody has a worldview you have to have a worldview to get through the day because every time you're making the decision you're saying something about her reflecting something about your self.
You want the world to think you are, what kind of a world you want to be out there and your role within it, and so your worldview is the central element of your life really, and that's why I say that it's so critical to be measuring this because, frankly, the game of life is won or lost, based upon a person's worldview. Yet such an important point and then I remember as you are explaining that George. I was thinking about one of my ethics classes when I was working on my Masters degree at Southeastern Baptist when he when he can put it on the board. He said your ears your stated belief and then there's your actual behavior in the net equals your actual belief or in theological terms. There's your orthodoxy, what you believe. There's your ortho prexy what you do and that's what James is saying you show me your faith, knowing sale see my faith by what I do and that's my that's that's what I see in America as American had a breaker about 40 seconds, and what I see in America when people say I am a Christian, I always especially Uber drivers. I will always ask okay can I ask you a follow-up question. This might be a little awkward. I don't mean to make you feel bad but why do you call yourself a Christian. Now I think the reason I asked that question George is because a you I think when people they'll just help identify his a Christian and I might yeah but this a lot of different ways to define that. So we actually have to understand that takes time and listening to people which we don't often do anymore, stressing the world of social media talking to Dr. George Barna Arizona Christian University. The American worldview inventory, 20, 21 continue to unpack that some things in here that you have to understand if you're not operating out of a biblical worldview. Which one are they doing what's happening to millennial young people will be right back to Mac and Steve Noble is with you today. Ben Shapiro facts don't care about your feelings. And so it's important that you have a grasp of information on what it with the thing that we struggle with, especially seen this in the last year and 1/2 and in during the term presidency and everything is speeding up or to talk about that in the second is is most of us are guilty of confirmation bias and so you basically grab on to things that already back up what you believe to be true and you only share the things that they can pump you up.
You ignore the stuff that doesn't things that challenge you and so a lot of us are really, even though were surrounded by information 34 GB a day coming at you. I don't think were very open to it in terms of analyzing what's coming at us and then being critical thinking representatives are ambassadors of Christ and so we struggle there. You have to be able to separate and come to calm down your motions and your frustration. Political and otherwise, to really look at the facts and one of the ways you can do that is look at raw data and eat instead of just looking at how things are presented to you need to look at the raw data behind it and that's one of the reasons that I George Barna's work has been so important not only to me but to the body of Christ and a lot of other people for years. That's why such a great joy to have them on the show today now in Arizona Christian University at the cultural research Center also helping out at family research Council tell us a little about Arizona Christian University George because I wasn't very familiar with it until you popped up you know, honestly, I wasn't either.
And once I found out about I thought oh my goodness this is the answer my prayers.
Christopher decades at least two decades. I've been praying that God would reveal to me a University that was so locked into the idea of developing worldview that that was their heartbeat and that's what AC unit is went there and discover that every class that's taught there every major that a student has every extracurricular activity there involved in everything is done through a biblical worldview lands so doesn't matter if you're majoring in music or English or history years psychology every class that you take us can have a professor saying okay now let's look at this through biblical lands so you know this is what the world says this is what the research shows what is the Bible teach us about the schools that should frame how it is that were interpreting things what were looking for, etc. so that's been huge, but the other component that for me was big is that they're not just doing that because it's a great academic exercise to get your worldview right. The idea is you have a biblical worldview so that then you get released into the culture to transform God's truth right no matter what you do. Whether your sanitation worker. Whether you are a lifeguard at the beach with your President of the United States doesn't matter. We've all got the same job and that is to know love and serve God with all our heart, mind strengthens and so whatever situation we find ourselves in. We need to take that biblical worldview and apply it to the decisions we need to make in their position in that situation.
In that context every single day and so Arizona Christian University is geared to helping students to develop that one of the first things I got to do was create the original worldview inventory. Recall that when the student worldview inventory which takes even longer for them to fill out, but the ideas at the beginning of every semester, every year that they're on campus. They take that inventory again so we can track every individual student. We can track people by major so we can see how the major departments are doing in terms of helping students. We can look at faculty were dead serious about making sure that we help people get worldview right while almost sounds like discipleship and accountability. George you guys. We need G why did we think yeah yeah lets us follow up on that 2000 years later that's that's compelling down anyway so it what we look at the American worldview inventory from 2021 we go. Okay, only 6% of the country, usually operating out of a biblical worldview. Functionally, I mean that the conviction only, which leads us to two terms that a lot of people may not be familiar with syncretism and then the other one moralistic therapeutic deism, which I know sounds intimidating everybody but to stick with us for a few minutes. Could you understand. So take us through that George that we can understand it there and operating out of a biblical worldview.
What are they operating out of well you know what we discovered is that there are a lot of different worldview options available to Americans. And because, as a people we are not very deep or sophisticated thinkers we don't like to reflect very much.
We like to act. We like to do stuff we like to get stuff done were nation of achievers. America is what it is because people push the boundaries we like to make things happen. But there's kind of a trade-off. You know, if that's what you can invest your time and energy and, well, then you're probably not spend a lot of time thinking philosophically and so that's what's happened in America is that most people here don't even know what a worldview with. We know from our research, very few know what a biblical worldview is and we know from this current research. The 88% of Americans have not bought into a standard cohesive comprehensive worldview.
If you will, something like postmodernism or secular humanism or Marxism or Eastern mysticism. Instead what we've done is we've looked at all these options and we've taken a couple of elements from each of them and we've bolted them together into a customized philosophy of life, a customized worldview that we think makes sense that makes us feel comfortable that we think is going to propel us forward as we seek to achieve our personal goals rather than striving to understand truth and how the world really works and what our place is within it.
So most people have this syncretistic approach fascinatingly. Steve, as we dived into it with a lot of people. What we found is that they believe a lot of contradictory things and then they don't even know it when we confronted them about leasable. If you believe this and then you believe that those two things can't coexist. What you do about that, but shrugged her shoulders like whatever you yeah it's really amazing and I think do you think this is when you mention technology earlier and I think that's the big 800 pound gorilla in the room here is because in that 34 GB information.
There is so much coming and working to talk in the last segment of the show, specifically about millennial's, who are seeking a nation without God and without the Bible without churches okay so because I if I'm to drive and have fun. I'd like to eliminate all the lights and all the speed limits and everything else will get into that, but I think technology has really created this that you just live in an ocean of different ideas, whether contradictory or not, because were source. This is nothing new. This I idolatry himself now you can just do custom-made worldview that tells you everything about your beliefs is yes and amen. And because the world gives you so much to work with. It's like a giant legal box and that is put it together is it is technology really at the heart of this other than the fallen human condition. Yeah, I think, to a large extent it is you know and that's what's led most Americans to have this idea that all faiths are of equal value, and that it doesn't matter what faith you possess. All that matters is that you have some faith and so when you go into the process thinking okay I can't get this wrong.
All I have to do is go my way yeah and that's the way that most Americans do.
We don't think our way through, we feel our way through it and so that that old expression from the 70s. You know, kind of an Eastern philosophy. If it feels good do it.
That really is one of the marching orders America. So what is then moralistic therapeutic deism well when people asked me that I apologize. That is a mouthful.
I didn't come up with that term that the actually came from other sociologists, but I describe it is fake.
Christianity, because essentially MTD moralistic therapeutic deism is a philosophy that says yes do not exist. Yes, God created the world. You know what after he did that he kinda fled the scene. He's not that interested in what goes on moment to moment.
He's not involved in our lives from moment to moment if you ever find yourself in a crisis.
I mean a real emergency you can pray to him.
Maybe he'll respond. Maybe he won't. But he's not that interested in so what he wanted world was a couple things when he created us. One is that we would be happy and so all the choices we make should be things that are geared to making us happy and one of the things that hopefully will make us happy. According to this philosophy is that we will be moral people, meaning that will be good to each other will do what we think is right in our own eyes because that's the best that we can hope for because there is no absolute moral truth. According to this philosophy of life and so you just have to do the best you can and keep moving forward. You know God doesn't put many demands on people and as long as you try hard you're gonna wind up in heaven with him anyway because he understands how hard this is. That's moralistic therapeutic deism. In a nutshell, yeah, and that for most of us, that should ring pretty true or at least familiar.
This is all okay because when you do that.
It's really interesting because I don't believe in atheists. It will hang my breaded. My buddies and 80th, my brothers, and if yes, my friends and some like actually they're just an agnostic with an attitude problem because I believe Romans chapter 1 because God made a plane he is the hundred pound gorilla in the room and everybody knows he exists. That's why it's interesting. I did some studies a few years ago George when I had an EPS with a really big podcast was coming to Raleigh, North Carolina at the time and we did my show together and I found some information that showed that atheism around the world because even though we talk in America about the nuns.
The rise of the nuns. That's because they're not associating with a specific religion or specific.denomination doesn't mean there atheists in this study showed that atheism around the world and of itself is actually shrinking and that all other forms of religiosity were growing and I said hello.
This is interesting. David, it would appear that that Darwinian evolution is selecting you out that there's something about believe that makes you stronger than nonbelief that will talk on doubts about that millennial's in the final segment when we come back. Looking back, this is a noble and noble show to go out and I don't think it's much of a limb, but I'm to go, I want anyway that I'm always out there, but I'm thinking that this might be the only live Christian talk radio show that features music by the Bee Gees. Occasionally I I'm not now. Now some people go well, that's not very Christian of you, but I live in the real world and and at least it gets your attention. If you're asking the question, I wonder why he plays that secular music from time to time. I'm glad to have that conversation and that's one thing that I think from the Scriptures. First Peter 315. Always be prepared to give an answer for the hope that you have. I used to stop there.
I didn't include the second part talk about doing that with gentleness and respect her compassion, her patients about. We need to be willing to engage in now, especially knowing that the vast majority overwhelming majority of your neighbors do not operate out of a biblical worldview. Yet the test and make sure you are, but the vast majority of them do not insult like Daniel all of a sudden thrown into Nebuchadnezzar's world.
How do you deal with that. How do you engage Eddie make a difference. Seeing that your life is not your own and your actually on mission your ambassador and ambassadors a 24 seven gig so understanding what's going on in the world around you. What do your neighbors think how they view life how to view their own decisions, how they view morality how they view Christianity how they view you. That's super important to know what your audience is all about before you engage them if in fact you engage in.
That's why there are other Wert the work that George Barna's been doing for decades is been so helpful people like me and others in and you should be checking that out yourself cultural research Center at the Arizona Christian University is where I George is really in a great leadership position there. I put the website up on Facebook live so you can see that as well. Arizona Christian.edu is the website but if you Google George Barna. You can find all this information but make sure you're doing that because you will be blessed to increase your knowledge so that you can be more effective in this world. And so George Wheatley not busy you are and I just really thank you so much for all your time today. It's a great blessing you know were all on the same team. I can't do much.
I just do my little part and if everybody listening does their little part that's what the churches we make a big difference when we work together. You know for just trying to build our own little kingdoms at all collapses right exactly right. That's Nehemiah's wall same wall different section and everybody's got a part to play. So let let's talk about millennial's. This was in release number three that you put out the American worldview inventory, 20, 21 millennial seeking nation without God, without the Bible and without churches. I'm just reading some of the main points majority of Americans regardless of their generation consider themselves to be Christian, ranging from a low of 57% millennial's to a high of 83% among builders.
Contrast that by the way everybody the fact that only 6% are actually operating out of a biblical worldview. The new research revealed that across all four generations.
The category in which Americans are least likely to think and act biblically is a dimension of Bible truth of morals and then were talking about what you called them millennial spiritual revolution again and reading from the report. There are more than two dozen examples of millennial's being substantially more likely than any other generation to reject biblical principles in favor of more worldly spiritual perspectives and practices they define success in life is happiness personal freedom productivity without oppression. The consider abortion performed to reduce personal economic emotion emotional discomfort to be morally acceptable. They consider premarital sex with someone expected to be their future spouse, that's fine. I reincarnation well that's possibility liberal regarding fiscal and social policies. They champion liberal theology what the world is going on with the millennial's author George, well, essentially, as I've been studying this now for four decades. What we have seen is that there's been an interesting progression across generations. You had the builder generation people currently 75 or older, pretty traditional Christian perspectives.
Along came the boomers they were rebels in their teens and 20s.
I hated what their parents did for the eval. They were to be different by the time they reach their 30s and 40s there pretty much the same as her parents. Then we saw the baby busters or Gen X come along people who right now are in their mid-30s to mid 50s. They never quite knew which way to go. They had a feeling, maybe they should be rebelling, but weren't sure why or how, and they also had a problem with being such a small, relatively speaking generation in numbers and so they almost became an invisible generation didn't know whether to go along with the builders and busters builders and boomers or to do some new millennial's came along, those who are currently between the ages of 18 and 36 and they had no hesitation say work be moving to the beat of our own drummer. Working to create a bunch of new things that feel good to us and working to create philosophies around it were to pick and choose to our hearts content from existing worldviews and fashion, something that nobody's ever seen before but it's going to be us all lost all the time and that's what we've got. With millennial's, generally they have rejected kind of all of the regular organizations, be it spiritual or governmental. That's why millennial's are will play around with the thoughts of socialism or Marxism there there fine, considering the United States of America.
2.0, which is not a refined US of a it's a new one get rid of the Constitution come up with something new.
It's interesting that they ended up that way. Do we really have a firm understanding George of why they kinda reject the status quo. Well, I'm not. I'm not sure if we do II think we've got a pretty fair understanding of where that's coming from and you know when you look at the Bible. It teaches us that parents are primarily responsible for raising their children to be spiritual champions and we know the parents have not done that their perspective boomers and busters. Both are Gen Xers have had the perspective that the best way to raise children is to get them the best in every dimension that we can afford for and so what they do is they go out and they hired the higher the paid professionals.
Whether that has to do with sports or academics or even faith.
And so you know you drop them off at church wait for the paid professionals there to do the spiritual thing. You drop them off after school or place where the kids get tutored your brand to a special sports program where they're getting special coaching. All of that and so what's happening is kids are not being raised by their home. How can that happen will because churches haven't been equipping parents to do that job. So you've got these two major institutions that have dropped the ball and in that vacuum has emerged the arts and entertainment media have done an amazing job at instilling a worldview in the minds and hearts of young people through video games through movies, through music that that then you've got government which, through its laws is conveying to children. This is what's acceptable. This isn't in no and then you've got the schools that are reinforcing that so that's how so much of this was come about. So then, in terms of your efforts because we can talk about for to be doctors of this week and we can know that there's a problem we can identify the problem, we can diagnose it but but then what we do about it.
Now I understand. I'm very levelheaded here. I remember Jesus said somewhere that very few there are the go that way so I know that most people are going to reject the gospel regardless of where I'm at. I cannot change that. I know that people a lot of people on the spiritual level.
I don't have a lot of mojo with unbelievers because to those who are perishing, where the realm of death. I understand that people don't want to come towards the light because their deeds are dark and they don't want to be exposed, so I do have a levelheaded, sober mindedness about me. George is as a Christian who happens to buy.
I would say by God's grace live in America but setting that aside, there are things that we can do so for your efforts for our efforts in this place at this time. Whatever talking about people our age are millennial's are younger dunnage in the under 18. What would be your encouragement to us as the things that we can do to at least try to make a difference.
Okay well will you know again strategically, we need to separate long-term from short-term and I would say the long term goal here is we've got to focus on children. This is where you win or lose the law you mouse a tongues stall in Mussolini.
Many people over the course of history are say give me a child until he seven all heaven for the rest of his life and and so the world understands that principal, why doesn't the church, why do we simply treat kids. Children as bait. You know where yet. We want to make the kids happy. So their parents come back is what we really care about are the parents that you know because they give the money. They're the ones that take the notes in the sermons etc. etc. well, really, what we need to be understanding is it is a battle for the heart, mind and soul of every individual in that battle is often decided by the time someone reaches the age of 13, so we can't wait until their adults that's too late.
So let's invest in children in the home in the church in the community.
Secondly, if we want to talk short-term. It's important, I think trust understand that this is all in any kind of transformational impact we can have is done through personal relationships and so we've got to be building those relationships so that people trust us, so that when we have the opportunity we can ask questions about what they think and what they're doing it. It's not our job to judge them.
It's not our job to tell them that their nasty human beings were going to help you know that's not our call. That's God's call. Our call is to try to love those people into the kingdom of God, and you can only do that if you have a real lasting relationship with people and your modeling what it means to be a disciple of Jesus they got to see it.
Otherwise, your testimony, your questions, your words, your actions have no impact on them whatsoever. And of course I would encourage churches to stop doing what were doing. Obviously it's not working so were going to have to rethink the approaches that were taking and whatever pastors and teachers, I say please teach your people have a think biblically were clearly not doing that now. Yeah, and that's that. So that such a great point because if you have when we first made the decision to homeschool my dad was like I was kinda worried about it might have as a member the greatest generation is a well you know what about socialization about this item forever. And I said that before you went off to war to go to boot camp. Yes, why does he do that so I was prepared for war. Okay, that's exactly what were doing because there is a war out there and we need prayer for sober minded about it. Such great great information George Holland on the line on to play with you after the shows over just about 30 seconds with my friends but so appreciate your time and all your efforts. God bless you sir, thank you for helping us understand the truth think you're welcome on the second.
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