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Yes, hello, Mac, thanks for taking my call. My question is related to the commandments that say thou shall not kill, and what your thoughts are on prisoners who are forced to die by lethal injection. Yeah, it doesn't say don't kill, it says thou shall not murder. It's one of the faults of the King James Bible, that it doesn't, so it's capital punishment is taught in the Old Testament, and it absolutely is taught.

Oh, yes, yes, yes. He shall be, let's see, shall be put to death. Yeah, here we go, just the first one I looked at in Exodus 21, 29, if however an ox was previously in the habit of goring its owner has been warned, yet he does not confine it, and it kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned, and its owner shall be put to death. Oh, okay. There's other things, murderers and rapists and kidnappers, I believe, were also put to death in the Old Testament.

Okay. So what about the New Testament? Well, thank you, I'll have to read up on those verses, thank you, you know, that one thing that. There's more, there's something in the New Testament, though, I want to read you, okay, hold on a sec. All right, it's out of, excuse me, not Revelation, but Romans 13, three and four. For rulers are not cause for fear, for good behavior, but for evil.

Do you not, do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same, for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid, for it does not bear the sword for nothing. And the sword was the means of execution, along with other means, there were different means, but crucifixion was one, starvation was another, and execution by the sword was another one. And so this is used very often in support of the biblical position on capital punishment, which certainly seems to be allowed, biblically. It just seems unfair for those that have murdered, but then they've asked for forgiveness, and God does forgive them, then I guess they still have to be killed.

I don't know, it's kind of, yeah. The reason is, I can tell you the reason, and you see that sin can be forgiven, but the effects continue. And so if someone does something bad, murders people, and is caught, and is rightly judged, and is to be executed, he can be forgiven of God, but the state is not under Christian leadership, not under a theocracy. So the state is secular, and becoming more secular, and it executes. And in this case, it's not unbiblical to do that. Okay? Yeah, okay, well that makes sense.

One more thing, sir. You know what kind of just seems unfair in life, maybe you can help me come to terms with this, is that back in the day, Jesus showed himself performing all these miracles, where people, and the disciples, and everyone could really see for their own eyes, oh, he is Jesus, son of God, he is real. And this time and day, we have a Bible. We don't have a human being like Jesus proving all these miracles, not to mention there's so, but we have a Bible, which is so many Bibles, and either you believe, or you don't. And when I talk to God, I talk about that, like wow, I sure wish you were here, or Jesus was here, doing what he did back in the day. Of course you'd have more believers.

I know there's some verse in the Bible saying blessed are those who haven't seen me, but believe, right? Do you have a question, though? I guess, just do you, it's not really a question. I'm trying to come to terms with your thought, like we don't have anyone here doing that.

Well, here we go. There were plenty of people who saw the miracles of Jesus and still rejected him. You know, we gotta be careful when we say, well, if they saw the miracles, they'd believe. I've talked to countless atheists, and I say, if you saw a miracle, would you believe? If I said, you know, be raised from the dead, be healed, a person in Jesus' name, a person who was instantly healed, would you then believe in Christ? And I've had them say, no. Well, why not?

It could've been a coincidence, it could've been whatever. Just because they see the miraculous doesn't mean that they would automatically believe. The Bible says that God has to grant them repentance, and he does, 2 Timothy 2.25, and he grants that they believe, Romans 1.29.

So whether or not people see miracles and hear the word of truth doesn't mean that they will believe, okay? Mm-hmm, okay. Well, thank you, Matt, I appreciate your insight, and keep doing what you're doing. Okay, well, thank you, thank you, and God bless. Thank you so much, bye-bye.

Okay, bye. Hey, folks, we have four open lines. If you wanna give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Vicki from North Carolina. Vicki, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, hey, Matt.

Hi. I have a question for you. It's a sub-predestination. I know you talked about it a lot, and I'm like, I don't know why it's a sub-predestination. It's not that I think, so I can't think of those two. I'm having trouble understanding you. It is breaking up, I can't understand what you're saying. Oh, sorry.

Okay, try again. I was that really fast, too. On predestination, my grand niece was here the other day, and sadly, we got into that discussion, and I was thinking, oh, I wish Matt Flick was sitting here, because I wasn't sure that I was representing it properly or well, and one day, you were talking, and I only caught the end of what you were saying. I was driving, so I had kinda gotten a little distracted, but I thought you also had said to somebody that the more you pray for somebody or witness to them, that that can be changed. Well, what I said was that God predestines, because he says he does, and the Greek word is proeroso, and it occurs about five or six times in the New Testament.

So we know that God predestines from the foundation of the world, so let me read the verses about this, then we'll talk about it. After another break, okay. Not a problem. Please hold on, all right. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Let's see, 877-207-2276, give me a call, we'll be right back.

It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. Okay, everybody, welcome back to the show. Why don't we get on the air, back with, there we go. Vicki from North Carolina, Vicki, welcome. You're back on the air.

Thank you, sir, thank you. All right, so let's talk about predestination a little bit. I was gonna read what the Bible says. I know a lot of people reject predestination, even though they claim to be Christians.

They should accept it because the Bible teaches it, and this is what it says. Ephesians 1, four and five. This is what it says, just as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before him. In love, he predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to himself, according to the kind intention of his will.

Now, let me just explain a little bit. Just as he chose us, that's the Father choosing us in him, in Christ. The Father chose us in Christ.

It's a phrase of federal headship, but we'll get into that in a better time. Before the foundation of the world, the choosing is not based on anything that we would do. We didn't look into the future, because then that shows partiality, but it's before the foundation of the world that it's done in Christ, that we would be holy and blameless before him. In love, he predestined us to adopt us as sons through Jesus Christ. Notice that both the choosing and the predestining are with Christ. So this means from the eternal nature of Christ as the word in the Trinitarian communion that election and predestination were established. So this is Ephesians 1, four and five. So that's what it says.

So if I were you, I would just memorize the address. Ephesians 1, four and five, and just go there. Four and five, uh-huh. Yeah, and just go there, and let me show you one other verse. This is Acts 4, 27, 28. Okay, people don't like this. I'm sorry, did you say Acts? Acts, chapter four, verse 27 and 28.

27 and 28, okay, thank you. Oh, people do not like this. Oh, Christians who read the word of God, and they say, no, I believe in Jesus, but I believe in the Holy Ghost. I believe in what it says, and God is not predestined us.

It isn't predestined us. And I read this stuff, and they go, well, you know. And I have to argue with them. This is what it says. A friend mocks me and goes, what does it say? Because that's what I say. The Bible says, what does it say?

What does it say? And so does God predestined bad things to happen? That's the question.

People say, of course he doesn't. Let's read the word. Acts four, verse 27 and 28. For truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your purpose predestined to occur.

So, they were gathered against Jesus, Pontius Pilate, Herod, the Gentiles, the people of Israel, to do what he had predestined to occur. The crucifixion of Christ, which is a predestined event. Now this gets into some heavy theology.

We won't get into it right now. When I teach Bible studies, I go into this for like a half hour and just teach various levels of stuff. But it takes a couple, three, four, five times for people to get it. But nevertheless, that's what predestines and that's what predestination is right there. God's choosing and working salvation into us is predestining.

And he also predestines bad things to occur, because it says so, Acts four, 27, 28. All right, I don't know if I answered your question, but I'm gonna lay the foundation first. That's what the scriptures teach, okay?

Okay. I guess, like I said, I had not heard the whole conversation, because I was driving and something distracted me in my driving and then I kind of got to listening again and at the very end you were talking to somebody about the predestination. And I thought you said something about that it could change as we prayed for people or something like that, to pray for people.

No, what God has predestined and ordained cannot change because it's ordained from the foundation of the world. So this is the thing I try and tell people is that we as Christians do not know how God's election and predestination works. We don't know the criteria that he has from all eternity.

We just don't know. And so James five, it talks about the prayers of a righteous man could avail much with God. So what I'll do is I confess my ignorance and I can understand the doctrines, but how does it work when God says he's predestined, he's elected, but he asks that we pray for people's salvation?

How do those go together? And witness to them. We witness to them and does it make a difference? Yeah, like why would you even have to go witness to somebody if the choice has already been made? That's what confuses me. I'm like, God can do whatever the heck he wants to.

That's correct. But for one thing he told us to and the preaching of the gospel is one of the means by which God brings those chosen ones into salvation. And here's the thing to think about. We're free in Christ, no longer bound by sin. And so now as Christians, free in Christ, we have that ability to pray to the Father through Christ. But God has ordained that we would pray through Christ to him because nothing can occur unless it's by the ultimate will of God, Ephesians 1.11.

So could it be that God has desired to elect someone because we're free in Christ to ask him to elect someone into salvation now that he's ordained from then that we would do so he would elect? Now if that makes sense, then you're smarter than I am. But these are some of the issues that have been wrestled with. And this broaches on the issue called Mullinism. And Mullinism talks about what's called counterfactuals, where counterfactuals are the things that don't exist but could have existed.

And God knows what the counterfactuals would have been under different circumstances. And so one of the conclusions in Mullinism, which I consider a heresy, and a lot of Christians don't, but I think it's false teaching, doesn't mean they're not Christians. I just don't agree with it, I think it's really bad. Because I think it elevates man's freedom. But what they basically are kind of saying is that God knows the counterfactuals of people in different situations under different preaching contexts. And that under different situations, people will receive Christ.

So God works according, his plan, according to all of those known counterfactuals. But that gets too close to the issue of denying total depravity and saying that God's choice is based upon something foreseen, slashed, foreordained, which is too humanistically centered. This gets into more complicated stuff. I've had many, many, many discussions with people on this at a different level than driving down the road on a radio show, you know? This gets into some stuff. I get, you know, I used to.

You pass by so well when I'm on the road, I love it. You know, I try not to get too deep because, you know, I don't want people to have brain contusions, you know, while they're listening. You know, you hear a little pshh in their head. Too late, too late. Yeah, you know, and so I used to do that years ago. Yeah, but there's people holding it, not if I could ask people.

What was that? I'm sorry. Oh, do you have other people holding? One person, but go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, I was gonna ask just a really quick question. I don't, like, a preacher was talking about taking the Lord's name in vain, which, I mean, like, I can't stand it if anybody says, like, G.D. kind of thing.

Yes, I agree. Like, oh my God, it makes me cringe. But for me, like, I don't think I'm doing it carelessly or anything, but, you know, I live alone. And so, like, I'm in the house and stuff.

Like, if I find my keys, I couldn't find them. I'd be like, thank you, Lord, I appreciate that. You know, just little things like that. Oh, thank you, Lord.

Would it be, that's not being flippant to me. That wouldn't be, like, taking his name in vain, but it's, but I just thank him for the little things because I do appreciate them and it could be a totally different story, you know? Good for you. I do the same thing, well, good for my keys, Lord.

I need help with my keys. I find them, hey, thanks, Lord, and go on. Yep, exactly. Okay, good, I just want to make sure. Yeah, and I'm thanking him a lot lately as I'm getting older, where my keys are.

I, trust me, I have a feeling I'm right behind you now. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that's not a problem at all. It should never be, as the unbelievers have now, they used the Lord Jesus Christ's name as an expression when something bad happens that are surprised. That is taking the Lord's name in vain. Oh, gosh, yeah, that's awful. Or, yes, and they'll say O-G-O-D. And, you know, people do, oh my, whatever, and they'll say this, and this is, it's a blasphemy and it's great sin. And unbelievers do it all the time.

It's increasing on TV, I've noticed it. And so I have a personal habit now when they're about to do it, I just make a noise, mm, you know, whatever, I don't wanna hear it. And, you know, and so my family gets a little upset with me, but that's me, you know, because they understand, that is just, that's how the world is. I go, I know, but I don't wanna participate in their sin. And so there's that. You wanna make a friend. And so, let's see what else I was gonna say, but I can't remember, not a big deal.

It is getting worse. Christians, oh, I've had to actually preach, I remember once I preached a sermon once on the Christians there at that church using God's name in vain, repeatedly. And I had to rebuke them without naming names. And they thanked me for it because, well, they got called out on the carpet.

Because they're listening to the ways of the world too much and too many Christians will do that. In fact, I have been in chat rooms in various places where Christians have said, oh, and they'll say the Lord's name, I'll just say, you just use the Lord's name in vain. Well, just interrupt, you just did it.

And they go, wow, wow, thank you, you didn't know that, I just won't. There we go, okay, all right. Thank you, Matt, I appreciate the help. All right, God bless. Hey, we'll be right back, folks.

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All right, welcome back, everybody. Let's get on the air here, lined with Rick from Iowa. We lost Rick. He wanted to ask me about Andrew, and he said he wanted to talk to you about Andrew. And he said he wanted to talk to you about Andrew. And he said he wanted to talk to you about Andrew. And he said he wanted to talk to you about Andrew. He wanted to ask me about Andrew Womack. I do not recommend him, he's in Depositor's Confession.

The name it and claim it, blab it and grab it stuff. And he's got a big ministry going, a lot of people buy into it. I don't recommend him, that's me. Let's get to Taft from North Carolina. Taft, welcome, you're on the air. Yeah, good evening, Matt.

I love your show, and I appreciate the work that you're doing. I had a question on predestination, and I'm not necessarily objectionable to it, and I've done a lot of studying on it, but I had an angle, not really an angle, but I had a question about, although God is within his will to predestine some to be saved, would, or have you ever thought that possibly, although he has predestined some to be saved for his purpose, and by grace that he allows others to be saved by the work that we do because he's commissioned us to do that, and that would still fall in line with what the Word preaches on that? Yet nobody can be saved without God's election and predestination, period. Okay, so election and God's... Why? I'm asking what scriptures could I use to refute that possibility? Refute what we just said?

No, what I said. Okay, so let me just tell you the biblical doctrine. I'll give you the verses. The biblical doctrine is that God chooses us from the foundation of the world, and he predestines us, Ephesians 1, 4, and 5. That's what the Bible says. So he chooses us, and he chooses us to be adopted, and it's in Christ. There's a really important phrase, in Christ, which is a term of federal headship, in Christ. So in Adam is another term of federal headship. In Adam, all die. In Christ, all shall be made alive. So there's two groups called the all. One is everybody represented by Adam. The other one is everybody represented by Christ. This is biblical theology, which few people are aware of. So it's a term, in him, in Christ.

We're elected in him. We're chosen in Christ, which means nobody can be saved without the work of Christ. So from the foundation of the world, Jesus was predestined and ordained to be the one who would bear our sins.

And so that's why it says in Ephesians 6, 6 and 6, 8 that we died with him and were crucified with him. So there's no possible way that anybody can be saved without God's choosing and predestination. But it doesn't mean we can't preach.

It doesn't mean we can't teach. It doesn't mean that God can't use our preaching and teaching and prayer of intercession in the process as God brings about what he has ordained. To predestine something and someone into salvation doesn't mean that one day, doesn't matter what you do, pop, you're in. But God uses us, even, in the preaching, the teaching of the word, the intercession and things like that to bring people to that place where God then works salvation in them, okay?

Right, I understand that. But what I'm asking is could there be that God allows us to witness for the purpose of orchestrating events to bring someone into Christ? Of course.

Not of their own works, but, say it again? Yes, you're right. Okay, so what I'm saying is even though he may have elected some to be predestined before the foundation of the world on creation, is it possible that he also will allow others people's hearts to be changed or whatever not by the work necessarily we're doing, by the work that Christ has done, but by our witnessing? Do you understand what I'm saying? Our witnessing is included in that predestination. Okay. I don't know if I'm asking the question quite right.

You are. See, the thing is, God works all things after the counsel of his will, Ephesians 1-11. Predestination occurs after the counsel of his will. Predestination occurs of, I love when people talk like that.

I do. Jesus said, absolutely. He just resigned to the word of God. I just love to hear that. It warms my heart.

Thank you, brother. So what we have to understand is that God elects people. People don't like the idea of election, but that's what it says.

They don't like the idea of predestination because they want it to be up to our free will and our stuff and our wisdom and our ability. It's man-centered. It's humanistic. It'll understand. Right, right, right.

I understand that. This is what, it's a big fight inside the Christian church and too many people are resisting this, but when you go out and preach, when you go out and teach, you go out and witness, you go out and pray, God has ordained that, but it doesn't mean he forced you because you're free. You're free to pray. You're free to go preach and teach. And if someone is going to be saved, God's going to use that to bring up about what his will is by you and your freedom doing what you want to do. It's way, way beyond us. But this is what happens. God is the one in control and he's sovereign. And yet we're still free and we can make a difference. I don't know how it all works, but it does. I know, that's the part I'm trying to resolve myself or work out in my own heart.

The part, and maybe I'll use this example. Who was it that, was it Abraham that prayed a lot or was it that he wouldn't be destroyed? Well, God has, in the Bible, it says he had resolved to destroy and was it Abraham that prayed for a lot? Right. And he repented or he recanted or whatever?

Nineveh, Nineveh's like that. It's 40 days and it'll destroy. And then he wouldn't preach and teach and then God relented, yes. That was predestined for God to relent as well. Right, I'm not saying that it's not predestined.

Okay, I see what you're saying. So either way, it's God predestined, no matter how it works out, it was God's predestined before the foundation of the world and he just orchestrates or incites events to happen that his will will be done on earth, which is what ultimately we all want as Christians, thy will be done on earth. So no matter how we look at it, God foreknew and he predestined who would be saved and it's just everything is working out according to his plan. Very good, very well said.

And let me just offer one slight suggestion. The word predestination, proorizo, is generally used in the context of election only of believers, but it does not occur in the context of predestining people to hell. So what we could say is theologically, we use the term ordination, that God ordains and there's direct and indirect ordination as there is direct and indirect causation. And so God can bring about what he desires by allowing evil people to do what they desire. And he can, for example, the crucifixion, he wanted the crucifixion to happen, but the crucifixion was sinful. So God's not gonna do it, but he's going to bring about the circumstances in which people will freely do what they would naturally do and bring about the sin of their own volition to that place of crucifixion, which then God uses to redeem people. Absolutely, I understand that.

Thank you, thank you. So then that also ties into what you were saying earlier about does God cause evil things to happen, which we know that's not true, but because sin is in the world and people... Say it again. He predestines evil to happen, but he doesn't directly cause it. They're different. Some people think predestination means direct causation.

Not always. So this is theology. This is why I'll say, why we need to use the word to foreordain or to ordain. And then I get in when I teach these things.

I do it offline. I'll teach about the ultimate cause, the proximate cause, and the efficient cause. We're talking about different levels of causation, different levels of will that God can have. He can have a decrepit will.

He can have a prescriptive will and a permissive will. And then how do those work inside of the causation issues? And it gets more complicated. And I've taught on this before.

I just have to go through it step by step slowly, and it's not really conducive for radio, but it's there. And other theologians have done this. And it's just some of the stuff that we have to work out because the scriptures teach these things, and we go, okay, how do we work them together?

And there are ways to do it. It makes perfect sense, and we learn. Okay? Okay, I got it.

Appreciate the time. God bless you. Okay, well, God bless.

All right. Now, let's get to this one really quickly. Ken from Pennsylvania. Ken, welcome, you're on the air.

Thank you, Matt. Hey, just a little bit about me. I'm 71, I've got about 40 years of study.

Tiny bit of seminary to study Greek. But I've been at it for a long time, like a lay scholar. But I have something extremely important to bring up to you. I'm afraid I've gotta hold the excitement down. There is the vaccine that's being given out now starting two days ago in the UK, and supposedly gonna start perhaps Monday or the 15th in this country. Now, this vaccine, there's a catch that, and let me preface this by no Christian leader, maybe such as yourself, has addressed this.

This vaccine has a growing number of opponents, MD opponents, even in the field of immunology, that are saying that this vaccine is carrying a DNA, RNA changer in it, which would, and if that's the case, and believe me, you absolutely need, and I think you're required in your position to investigate this, and you can ask me anything off air. Well, I'll tell you what. Would you send me links to info at karne.org? And you're right, I do need to study this.

Let me write this again. I'm brand new as of tonight to your site. And my theological background would be probably a Baptist, J. Vernon McGee-type sensationalist, but I'm not a hardcore anything. Yeah, you're a pre-millennial cessationist, that's fine. So info at karne.org, I-N-F-O, just info, at karne, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. That website is my website. It's been up for 25 years, 100 million visitors, but it's down right now.

It's under attack from here, actually, Middle East. So I'll- Okay, let me finish my statement. Okay. This vaccine, I'll try to hurry. This vaccine meets, in my opinion, two criteria of the mark of the beast. What do we know about the mark of the beast is in Revelation. The three things that I have found that would be considered criteria, or identifying marks of the beast, is you can't buy or sell without it. Well, that's already with the masks.

It's sort of a prelude to what it'll be like when we can't show the proof of our vaccination. There's a yes and a no to that. I mean, I can go into a store. I'm gonna go to a store in about an hour, and I'm not wearing a mask.

And I can buy and sell. It's not a problem here in Idaho. Not a problem at all. So, you know, it's- Well, then you're an exception, and it's only a prelude. Listen, when you try to go into a store without proof of the vaccination- That's what we're worried about. We're worried about the papers and requirements that you have to, in order to buy and sell, you gotta have the vaccination. That's when it probably will hit the fan. Because a lot of people are gonna say, absolutely no, no way, not gonna do it, and you won't be able to buy or sell, and this is gonna, this is a huge problem. And if that occurs, there's gonna be a great deal of resistance, and there ought to be, because it's just Gestapo techniques, show me your papers, you know, the communist stuff, and oppressive, and the Antichrist can certainly use it.

Yes, well, the second criteria is even more important. Christ is our kinsman redeemer, as you know. I'm not preaching to you, but I'm laying it out. You know, you're the teacher, and I'll be a student here. But- Right on time, right on time.

There's the music. Okay, right on time. Oh, I'll get this to you. Yeah, good, call back on Monday, okay, good, I'm off tomorrow. All right?

Okay. Sorry about that, I've gotta go, but thanks for listening. All right, sorry, oh, we missed Manuel from Italy. Oh, I'd love to have talked to him.

Why would that be so harsh, that'd have been great. And Mark from North Carolina. Hey folks, I'll be back on the air live on Monday. Got tomorrow off for a good view of Dr. Splendid. Hey, have a great weekend. Bye bye.