Correcting a Replacement Theology Misreading of Hebrews 11

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Okay. Let me read to you from Hebrews chapter 11. Hebrews chapter 11. This passage is often quoted to say that not even the biblical patriarchs cared about the land of Israel. They were only looking for a heavenly country. We shouldn't focus on the earthly land either because that's being carnal.

That's being fleshly. That's mistaking heavenly purposes for earthly purposes. It's mistaking the spiritual calling of Israel for a physical calling. And let's see what the patriarchs actually said and felt and then follow their example. So Hebrews chapter 11 verse 8.

I'm going to read the passage to you. By faith, Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive his inheritance. And he went out not knowing where he was going. By faith, he went out to live in the land of promises in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking for the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. I'm going to keep reading, but just for the moment, that's saying that the reason they lived in tents was they were looking for another city. They were looking for a heavenly city.

By faith, Sarah herself received power to conceive even when she was past the age since she considered him faithful who had promised. Therefore, for one man and him as good as dead were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as innumerable grains of sand by the seashore. These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country that is a heavenly one. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared for them a city. So according to Hebrews 11, it seems straightforward that not even the patriarchs cared about the promised earthly land.

For us to emphasize it, emphasize the importance of the Jewish people coming back to the land of Israel, living in the land today, for us to emphasize that is to be unspiritual and to miss what Scripture is actually saying. Is that true? Of course not.

Of course not. And the one thing we know for sure is that the Bible cannot rewrite the Bible. In other words, if a later author comes along and nullifies everything that comes before, if a later author comes and says, well, here it said God said that He no longer says that, we're going to abrogate it. Or as the Quran would say, you know, you have earlier sayings of Allah allegedly and later sayings of Allah through Muhammad, and the later ones can abrogate earlier ones. No, we don't believe that. We believe in progressive revelation that God may reveal more and more as time goes on. We understand that there were certain laws and regulations given for times and seasons that are not for all time or for all people. But if God said ABC is true, then later in the Bible, it cannot say ABC is not true.

That would be contradictory. So if I could show you verse after verse after verse, I'm just going to sample it because I could give you hundreds, literally hundreds of verses, and they're not hard to find, confirming the importance of the land to the patriarchs and to the people of Israel and to God. If I can show you that, then that means we have to understand Hebrews as making a spiritual point, a homiletical point, as happens sometimes in Hebrews, the 11th chapter. Okay, so let's start in Genesis chapter 15.

Again, I'm just giving you a tiny sampling. Otherwise, we'd be here for several hours as I was reading all the verses. Genesis chapter 15. And here's where we're going to start. So God makes a promise to Abram, puts him in a deep sleep, and gives him this promise.

And each time I click there, there we go. When the sun had set, Genesis 15, starting verse 17. When the sun is set, and it was very dark, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch, which passed between those pieces. On that day, the Lord made a covenant with Abraham saying to your offspring, I assign this land from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, the Canaanites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Ephraim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, the Jebusites. That's not talking about a heavenly land, right? That's not talking about a heavenly city.

That's not talking about a promised land. And it's part of the fundamental covenant that God gives to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the people of Israel reiterated over and over and over again in the Hebrew Bible. So let's just go a couple chapters later after God gives Abraham the covenant of circumcision.

This is when his name is actually changed from Abram to Abraham. Genesis 17, beginning in verse 7. Genesis 17, 7. I will maintain my covenant between me and you and your offspring to come as an everlasting covenant throughout the ages, to be God to you and to your offspring to come. I assign the land you sojourn in to you and your offspring to come, all the land of Canaan as an everlasting holding.

I will be their God. So again, God establishes this as a fundamental part of his covenantal relationship with Israel. Now we go to Genesis 24. How important was this to Abraham? How important was this land promise to Abraham? We go to Genesis chapter 24, beginning in verse 1.

Abraham was now old, advanced in years, and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things. And Abraham said to the senior servant of his household who had charge of all that he owned, put your hand under my thigh, and I will make you swear by the Lord, the God of heaven and the God of the earth, that you will not take a wife from my son from the daughters of the Canaanites from among whom I dwell, but will go to the land of my birth and get a wife from my son Isaac. And the servant said to him, what if the woman does not consent to follow me to this land? Shall I then take your son back to the land from which you came? Abraham answered him, on no account must you take my son back there. The Lord, the God of heaven, who took me from my father's house and from my native land, who promised me an oath saying, I will assign this land to your offspring. He will send his angel before you and you will get a wife from my son from there. And if the woman does not consent to follow you, you shall then be clear of this oath to me, but do not take my son back there. So the servant put his hand under the thigh of his master Abraham swore to him as bid. Wow. And Abraham is saying, no, no, no, no, no, you do not take Isaac back.

Why? Because God promised us this land. The idea that it didn't matter to the patriarchs, that they didn't care is so utterly preposterous. And obviously, everyone reading Hebrews knew that if they were Jewish believers in Jesus, they knew that. They knew this was one of the most fundamental tenets of Judaism that God had given the land of promise to the people of Israel. Here, a couple more examples. Again, I could go on literally for hours reading verses to you, but I just want to emphasize first the patriarchs.

Okay. Genesis chapter 48, Genesis 48. And we go down to verse 21. Genesis 48, 21. And these are the words of Jacob, Israel. Then Israel said to Joseph, Genesis 48, 21, I'm about to die, but God will be with you and bring you back to the land of your fathers. And now I assign you one portion more than to your brothers, which I wrested from the Amorites with my sword and bow. And of course, he's buried back in the land. So he's getting ready to die. I'm about to die, but God's going to be with you and he's going to bring you back to the land of your fathers.

Why? Because that's the promised land. It was their inheritance and everyone needs a place to live. And that's why once the land was given permanently, because Abraham was told it's not permanent yet, you're going to be in slavery in another nation, then I'll bring you here, right? Once it was permanent, they had houses.

God gave them houses and they built houses. Genesis chapter 50. Genesis chapter 50.

Again, I'm concentrating on accounts with the patriarchs here, all right? At length, Joseph said to his brothers, because he's going to die. At length, Joseph said to his brothers, I'm about to die. God will surely take notice of you and bring you up from this land, the land of Egypt, to the land that he promised on oath to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. So Jacob made the sons of Israel swear, saying, when God has taken notice of you shall carry my bones from here. So I'm going to be buried here, but I want to be brought, I want my bones brought back when you leave Egypt, because you're going back to the promised land that God swore. One more passage.

One more passage. Psalm 105. Psalm 105.

And I've been through this so many times on the air, but you ask, how could God have made it any more clear? Psalm 105, beginning in verse 5. Remember the wonders he has done, his portents and the judgments he has pronounced. O offspring of Abraham, excuse me, his servant. O descendants of Jacob, his chosen ones. He is the Lord our God. His judgments are throughout the earth. He is ever mindful of his covenant. The promise he gave for a thousand generations that he made with Abraham swore to Isaac and confirmed in a decree for Jacob for Israel as an eternal covenant saying to you, I will give the land of Canaan as your allotted heritage.

Boom! Sworn, confirmed, promised, covenant, oath. It mattered and that's why Israel grieved when they were in exile and longed to be back in the land and the blessings were if you obey you'll be in the land and if you disobey you'll be cursed and driven out of the land. Of course the land mattered deeply. Hebrews 11 is just making a spiritual point, a homiletical point to saying there is more than just this world and the patriarchs were people of faith and saw beyond. But you better believe they concentrated on the land. You better believe their descendants concentrated on the land. You better believe the land was important and essential and being driven out of the land was a great curse and being back in the land was an answer to prayer because it was a promised land from God.

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Michael Brown delighted to be with you. If you have a Jewish related question 866-348-7884. 866-34-TRUTH is the number to call. Any Jewish related question of any kind. Before we go to the phones a couple more thoughts about the land. I've interacted with Christian leaders who say Jesus is the land. Jesus is the promised land. Number one I don't find a hint of scripture pointed at let alone an overt explicit statement.

I don't find that even hinted at in the scripture whatsoever. Number one. Number two what does it even mean? To me it's like telling a starving person Jesus is the bread. What does that mean?

Do you eat him and the pain in your stomach goes away or does that person need bread? So some refugees trying to flee from the Nazis during the Holocaust and make their way to the land. You're going to tell them Jesus is the land? No the land is a physical place where you live and God gave physical promises to a physical people.

So where would you like that physical people to live? How about in the place that God gave them and God assigned to them that has been their one and only homeland for millennia? A couple of statements from biblical scholars German professor Gerhard von Roth said of all the promises made to the patriarchs it was that of the land that was the most prominent and decisive.

Let's read it again professor Gerhard von Roth. Of all the promises made to the patriarchs it was that of the land that was the most prominent and decisive. Then professor John Wolford evangelical scholar he said in the broad program of prophecy relating to Israel few factors are more important than the promise to Abraham of the perpetual possession of the land. It is not only consistently reiterated in prophecies relating to the hope of Israel but it is an integral part of the call to Abraham which begins the program.

Let me read it again as I've assessed the evidence I believe this is an accurate statement. In the broad program of prophecy relating to Israel few factors are more important than the promise to Abraham of the perpetual possession of the land. It is not only constantly reiterated in prophecies relating to the hope of Israel but it is an integral part of the call to Abraham which begins the program. And then lastly from professor Gerald McDermott who is still with us the previous gentleman being deceased Gerald McDermott says this by my counting more than 1,000 times in the Tanakh meaning the Hebrew Bible the land Eretz of Israel is either stated or implied of the 250 times that covenant greet is mentioned in 70 of those instances 177 times covenant is either directly or indirectly connected to the land of Israel of the 74 times that Greek covenant appears in the Torah 73 of those times 54 include the gift of the land either explicitly or implicitly. So when you have something that gets so much attention in scripture so many references to the land so many promises regarding the land so many promises connecting it to God's covenant etc etc. How can you possibly downplay the importance of the land of Israel to the people of Israel in the Old Testament and then through Jewish history as you look at the prayers that Jewish people pray daily and every Passover next year in the land and Jews facing Jerusalem as they pray and on and on and Jesus coming back to Jerusalem and even saying in Luke 21 24 that because of judgment on our Jewish people we'd be scattered to the nations and Jerusalem would be trampled underfoot until the time of the gentiles fulfilled and just as Jerusalem is now back in Jewish control the Jewish people have been coming back to the land just as scripture said why don't we embrace it to say that when God scattered the Jewish people in anger they scattered them physically from the land when he regathers them in mercy it just means to salvation that's that is so ambiguous that ambiguous duplicitous that the judgment is literal but the restoration is spiritual I mean it it robs the word of meaning and historically is the opposite of what scripture declared would happen all right with that we will go to the phones we'll start off in Phoenix with Jim welcome to the line of fire hello I'm here go ahead oh dr Brown thank you for taking my call well my question has to do with Leviticus 16 the ceremony about the day of atonement well first of all I'd like to tell you my take on it but then I want to hear your take so my take on it is that the holy day actually points to Jesus on the atonement he has done for us and I look at the high priest is sort of a forerunner forerunner of Jesus but I want to focus on the two goats the one goat is says is for the Lord and it is killed and its blood is sprinkled and so forth but the second goat is called the I believe it's like as that as they sail or something like that yeah the goat for us sometimes called the super yeah right so I believe that both goats are part of the one sacrifice of Jesus the one his blood washing us and saving us from our sins and the second goat him taking them as far as our sins as far as the east is from the west that's kind of my take on it but I've had people say no no no Zazzell is a demon idol of some kind but I don't see that in scripture so well I'd like your take on that yes sir I agree with your interpretation by the way there there is some speculation that Azazel was some type of demon of the the wilderness in which case why was the sacrifice being offered to him we know explicitly that God forbade sacrifice to demons or other gods if it meant you know for some demon thing it would mean you know being driven out to that type of area the the key thing we know for sure is is that there are two aspects of atonement here so the one is the blood that brings cleansing the substance the the the cleansing the purification part of substitutionary atonement and that is made in the holiest place of all so that one goat fulfills an aspect of the ministry of Jesus the high priest as you said fulfills an aspect of the ministry of Jesus but the other aspect is that that Aaron lays his hands or the high priest would lay his hands on that other goat the second goat confess sin over it and then that would be driven off into the wilderness and it thereby carries those sins away that's the other aspect of substitution so I'm I'm with you on that it's definitely an orthodox right way to read it you read it you can argue it well from the Hebrew and others have understood Azazel to be that an A's Azal a goat that escapes in any case that's where we get the name scapegoat from but for sure it's it's the way I would read the text and just ask anyone that holds to that view what do you do with the verses that explicitly forbid sacrifice to demons or other gods if this goat was somehow being sent off as an appeasement or a sacrifice to a demon how would that bring atonement to Israel and why would the Lord why would Yahweh want that done if there's anything that's demonic as our sins are sent over to a dark place right complete separation goodbye with our sins but the way you read it and as far as the east is from the west Psalm 103 I'm with you on that well said and again ask that question to those who differ what about the verses that explicitly forbid sacrificing to demons and why would God give a command to Israel and tell them in that command that they should sacrifice to a demon or offer an animal to a demon absolutely not hey thank you for the call we've got some phone lines open if you'd like to join in doesn't always happen but they're open now eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four hey friends michael brown here my delight to serve as your voice for moral sanity and spiritual clarity we are living in such urgent times today friends that all of us are in the line 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of increased terrorism it is often a time of increased radicalism thankfully Israel is not putting restrictions on Muslims coming to the temple bout uh Itamar Ben Gevir one of the more dangerous elements in the current Netanyahu government pressed for that that's not going to be happening that would be enough of a provocation to cause a lot of riots in Judea Samaria called the West Bank and and then for more violence and attempts to attack by Hamas as much as they're under attack by Israel right now so that's a point of prayer for for God to continue to work in the midst of Ramadan because that can often be a very intense time and even around the world and increase time in Islamic terrorism that's one thing second thing the United States has announced that they're going to be building a pier uh in Gaza off the coast of Gaza on the coast of Gaza excuse me for more humanitarian aid to come in and Israel's welcome that now here's the deal the United States has has been trying to get more aid into different parts of Gaza but in doing it the the problem is you want to get it to the people who need the aid you want to get into the people who are in earnest need but often what happens is that it just keeps Hamas going strong that they get to it first by the way the alleged massacre where Israel allegedly killed over 100 people in cold blood ended up there were a very limited number of casualties from what's known so far from a crowd rushing at an armored tank and other Israelis IDF that were positioned around a convoy of food and the the soldiers shot at people's legs there were some casualties the vast majority the overwhelming majority of those who were killed were killed in stampedes or by the Arab drivers driving over people in the midst of people swarming one reason for the swarming it's not just that they're starving which is a tragedy but also because if they don't get the food first Hamas is going to take the food meant for them well so Hamas can continue to prosper so the problem is some of America's aid could actually help Hamas and strengthen them and help them to hold out longer so pray that the aid gets to the the right people and certainly Israel would support that happening to the people genuinely in need rather than the people that are trying to kill them lastly all efforts up to now to bring about a hostage deal with a ceasefire have failed and there's ongoing negotiation with with Qatari leaders America has pushed there were ultimatums given but still a stalemate remains a stalemate so continue to pray for the freeing of the hostages eight six six three four truth let's go to Jeff in Michigan welcome to the line of fire hi Dr. Brown how are you doing today very well thank you so I have a question regarding the feast of the Lord so Jesus actually fulfilled the you know the spiritual meaning of the first four feasts on the day they were being celebrated in Israel and I was wondering if you happen to think that you know the last three feasts which are part of the Feast of Tabernacles do you think that he will fulfill them on the day they're being celebrated as well like he did the first four feasts and if so would that violate the scripture that says you cannot know the times or seasons right we should know the times of seasons but you mean is by the description no one knows the day or the hour that's what you were thinking of right it's it's a great question if if not for that if not for the the reality of the fact that we cannot know the day of the messiah's return as it draws nearer we'll know the times and seasons if we're walking in the light but we do not know the day or the hour whereas you would know the day because he's obviously going to fulfill trumpets jom truah which becomes rosh Hashanah Jewish new year but it's the the celebration of the trumpet blast to shofar blast that coincides with his return so it speaks of the lord returning with the trumpet the sound of the trumpet in for example matthew 24 or first corinthians 15 or first thessalonians 4 and then even the seventh of the seven trumpets in revelation 11 and then we know in zechariah 14 it speaks of the nations the survivors of the nations that attack Jerusalem coming year by year to worship the lord the feast of tabernacles there's a literal future feast of tabernacles so it would be logical to think that they that he would return on that very day and then that would lead uh to the the cleansing of the nation of israel which 10 days later was symbolized with with yom kippur and then the ingathering of the nation's tabernacles that it would actually come in at that time but i i don't believe that would be the case because it violates that now when edgar wissenot wrote his book in 1988 88 reasons why jesus is coming in 1988 if i remember it was september 12th that he said he was returning because that was rosha shana that was yom trua of that year and that was the logic behind it the other thing is i don't i don't see that you have a period of just 14 days from the return of jesus to the destruction of the wicked everything that's going to happen the cleansing and repentance of israel and the the ingathering of the nations to jerusalem it seems that there's going to be a lot more that takes place before that so whereas the first feasts were fulfilled at that literal time it seems to me that the the second set of feasts the fall feast will be fulfilled with spiritual application but not on those specific dates now the only way that i would say i would be wrong on that would be that there's going to be so much going on and everything is so intense that we still will still be surprised that it happens on that day you know i'm saying that yeah even though we know it it's like getting ready for a hurricane you can't really be ready so you can make a case for it if not for it it seems to violate these other principles but it's a great question to ask right yeah well i'm just wanting because i know there have been people who have written books who have said that you know they feel that it's going to happen on those dates and you know i always wondered well how could how could that be you know because you know it would you know it would be pinpointing but yeah i was kind of interested what you thought you know and how you how you looked at it i kind of you know i i believe god could do whatever he wants to do you know but uh i i i'm just wondering what you thought on that yeah yeah so that's that's my question hey i appreciate the call thank you very much thank you for your time i appreciate it all right it's six six three four truth let's go over to randy in north carolina welcome to the line of fire good afternoon sir i have a question about and i'm going to butcher the pronunciation but a man called belch ice deck from hebrew oh okay l-c-h-i-s-e-d-e-k okay go ahead i often uh run into names of through the bible that you know i'm not familiar with but this one just stuck out by being found with a corpse and it's saying that he had no mother and father i mean i've never heard this in my church yeah yeah okay so but i read it in the bible yeah yeah okay so um melky tzedek is is the the hebrew way of pronouncing it in in english people say melchizedek in hebrew melky tzedek so um it is literally my my king is is righteousness uh he is called the king of shalem which could later be the city of jerusalem he's mentioned in genesis 14 he's mentioned in in psalm 110 then he's mentioned in the book of hebrews especially in the seventh chapter so in in genesis 14 he is called the priest of the most high god and he was also a king so he did recognize the most high god which would be yahweh and he was also a king and in that sense he is a prototype of david and then the messiah he's a prototype of the messiah in that the messiah is a is a king who is also a priest the the messiah has royal royal standing but also has priestly function just like melky tzedek hebrews 7 can be read in one of two ways and scholars debate this sir one way is that literally he had no mother no father no beginning no end in other words that was the son of god in human form that was the son of god appearing on the earth in this man and then disappearing so you don't he doesn't have a birth he doesn't have mother father he doesn't have genealogy it was literally the son of god making an appearance on the earth and then leaving uh hence he points forward to jesus the other way of understanding it is that the bible doesn't record his birth or his death it doesn't record who his mother or father were in that sense he's like a type he's like a representative of the son of god who has no beginning and no end who his eternal and our eternal priest i go ahead i went to so many people who are lifelong christians and stay right there stay right there we got a break we'll catch up on the other side of the break call me i'm paul brunette a board-certified doctor of holistic health over the 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that testimony in the next frontline newsletter so if you're not getting them by all means sign up today where do you go the line of fire.org right on the home page take you 30 seconds or less to sign up the line of fire.org it is absolutely free and then be looking your emails because we'll send you last month's line of fire with some exciting testimonies about some of our fire team preaching in in mosques in the middle east preaching jesus and seeing the sick healed and yeah it's it's amazing that's all in there and we'll put you on our welcome tour tell you more about my testimony from lsd to phd all that waiting for you uh so uh randy we got cut off at the break you started to say something back over to you oh yes sir thank you for taking my call um i had spoken to several lifelong Christians before i called you about it and and they were just like me that it had never even come up in a service in their entire life and it was uh it was shocking yeah i mean he he is he only occurs has found a few times in the bible but he's significant you know he he plays this role um the fact that the messiah is going to be a priest forever or after the order of melchizedek according to psalm 110 and and that he prefigures the messiah the son of god in in hebrew seven absolutely you don't find interesting is that in in early jewish literature the dead sea scrolls he was he became an important figure he was like this super exalted figure kind of like a a messianic semi-divine figure so he was definitely of interest and definitely interested in the new testament and it's it's odd that you don't hear more about him hey thank you for the call my brother i appreciate it thanks so much all right eight six six three four truth uh i i want to bring something back to attention well i've just got a couple minutes here that that is so important and i don't want us to lose sight of october 7th is now increasingly in the rear view mirror the the day of the event it's just one of those unforgettable days like you remember where you were 9 11 or you remember if you're older where you were when we got news that jfk was assassinated and this is one of those things especially for a jewish person you you remember what was going on you know so we wake up that morning of october 7th with the news of the slaughter i was getting ready to fly to dallas i was preaching in fort worth that next sunday in fact to be back at fort worth gobbling this sunday at mercy culture preaching and i'm pretty sure i'm going to preach the message i was going to preach back in october going to preach now in march because obviously i had to shift my whole message and with a broken heart with tears talk about god's pain and god's heart for israel and for for hurting world but that day is as the reports began to unfold and read a 50 p 50 people no no it may be hostages take no it can't be okay i must do this and then the pain the the traumatizing pain as the day went on and you heard no it's it's 100 no that can't be how could the israeli security fail that bad no it's 200 no it's five no it's no it's over a thousand no it's over 1200 and over 200 hostages i mean when you think of the size of israel you're turning throughout the nation and now with all the soldiers that have been killed in combat because israel is not just bombing people out if that's all they did they would wipe out everyone in gaza in a matter of a few days or if they just did it incessantly could tragically do it overnight with the firepower they have and the people of gaza we know where to go they could do that but because they're doing their best to avoid civilian casualties that means constant casualties of the idf as they're trying to take out hamas terrorists so the the staggering numbers are such that everybody in israel knows somebody they either die or they know if someone whose family member died or his friend died it's just their funerals constantly and israelis nightly kind of dread the news sometimes who what picture is going to come up which soldiers have been killed what's the latest horrific news about hostages and as much as there's been complete upheaval in gaza of course because of the sins of their leaders hamas because of their evil deeds and israel having to eradicate their power bear in mind that within israel you're talking about roughly 400 000 reservists so these are men who are not in the idf now but have to serve on reserve until what their mid-40s so they're called up many of them still out still away from families still away from businesses this puts massive strain on the nation and then several hundred thousand who've had to flee from the north because of the constant attacks of hezbollah you've got that going on those who've had to flee from the the border of gaza because the constant bombing that's that has taken place and potential still for it to happen so you've got upheaval throughout the land this is every day an intense reality in israel but oh the rest of the world oh kind of that's all story and let's let's get on with the next bit of news and so on we don't want to do that especially when out of the gate people were trying to deny what happened i i told you about my dialogue with young young men from gaza when i was in india at an international forum we got to interact and then telling me plainly i mean laughing no way pictures of hamas tunnels uh under hospitals up no way that's just photoshopped anybody can see that's just made up it's not real hamas raping israeli women no they're muslims they don't do that beheading children babies shut no they didn't believe any of it they believed it was all propaganda that's how deeply indoctrinated that they've been sadly tragically and and how they're only getting news from one place or places that are not telling them the whole truth i mean even the un as much as the un is so historically so historically anti-israel obviously voted for the rebirth of israel accepted that but over the decades just go to unwatch.org unwatch.org go there just check it check it out check out the documentation if you have my book our hands are staying with blood if you have it i documented things over 30 years ago and i document them again now all right so if you have those look at them you'll see extreme bias in un extreme bias un security council i've gone through it some on the air i don't want to beat a dead horse with the living horse but it's because it keeps going on and on and on but even the un has acknowledged based on the evidence and they were so slow to do it it's sickening that yes yes it's true there there were sexual crimes committed against israel i'm not going to detail them here they're too gross to do so and there may be ears listening where it's inappropriate but we're talking about horror of horrors these atrocities taking place and here you have these young men they're educated they're in a university saying it never happened it never happened so it took many years for holocaust denial to get in full swing it took a long time because the evidence is so overwhelming and and the population so extraordinarily decimated and and the clear evidence of the concentration camps and that was was documented by the nazis and even the archival footage and on and on but as time goes on you know if you lived in east germany after the wall went up you'd be taught holocaust at all lately if you lived in many muslim parts of the world you'd be taught holocaust denial at most you'd be told that some jews were killed but the numbers were greatly exaggerated and of course that myth continues to be perpetuated in different circles to this day well it didn't take that long for october 7th people immediately began to deny it and continue to deny it to this moment deny the realities deny the the horrors of it and you even have horrific quotes from someone like norman finkelstein himself jewish his parents holocaust survivors who's basically made a living of of criticizing jewish memories of the holocaust and and bashing israel in the strongest possible terms that that when he first got words of the slaughter uh and thought of children rejoicing in the streets of of gaza over the slaughter of israelis he said he said it warmed every every fiber of his being the slot the slaughter the the cold blooded slaughter of children babies women elderly men and then later he said well actually he thought the number was under 50 and that's why it warmed himself as rabbi schmooley in his his attack on normal finkelstein on pierce morgan on sense that i'd watch it but just saw some of schmooley's description asked so was there oh at what point how many jews get slaughtered before it doesn't cause you to feel so warm and good and this is the type of stuff we're dealing in france don't lose sight of the atrocities don't lose sight of the horror don't lose sight of why israel is in gaza does not mean everything israel does is perfect is perfect and i have all kinds of difference differences with some of the elements in the current netanyahu government and some of the decisions of the government and and some settlement issues and settler mentality and some anti-arab mentality among the radical right in israel i've i've got enough differences there there's i'm not making everything israel does perfect and say i'm saying never forget what we're dealing with never forget these realities kamasa said they want to do october 7th over and over and over again until israel is ended that's the reality that's the reality so let us not lose sight of that reality as we pray for israel and we pray for the palestinian people i'm sure jesus we have exhausted